To think that 'the Earth was just chillin for eons at a stable temp, but then humans came and broke the planet' is simply the ego at work.
Asking climate scientists if they are aware of the fact that climate has changed without human intervention in the past is like asking a marine biologist if they know that water is wet.
But if you zoom that graph way out you'll see that we're cooling.
We're not.
It's called cherry picking your data.
That's called projection.
We are too dumb to understand climate.
Just like we're too dumb to understand that smoking is a cause of lung cancer, or that erosion created the Grand Canyon, despite there not being a written record of its creation.
That lack of relativity has lead to arrogance and away from science. We've seen that the climate scientists are afraid of being wrong. This is an area where our system of academia is a weakness not a strength. People are too invested in not being wrong and finding new truths. In the climate sciences it should be about being wrong and being able to better understand that. Bad predictions should be more celebrated then correct ones, because it's easier to learn from something that went wrong.
One part hand waving, one part word salad. 100% bullshit.
Everyone seems to be ignoring that nobody is required to prove with sufficient rigor that non GMO crops are adequately safe.
Because that's nothing more than stupid trolling, that's why. We don't need to study if people can eat corn or tomatoes, since people have been eating corn and tomatoes for thousands of years. People have not spent thousands of ears eating their corn and tomatoes with fish DNA grafted onto it. You're also ignoring the fact that we have decades of research into diets from around the world. We don't have that for pork meat with DNA from a cactus or whatever else it is you want us to eat.
Unfortunately for you, it's not meaningless if it's true. The amount of religious fanaticism you're exuding is simply astounding. There, done.
Not done. You have to find me zealously clinging to a fringe, puritanical belief first. I'm calling you a zealot because you are a zealot on easily-defined issues. You're throwing the term around in the same way a four year old says "poopy head".
Perhaps if we didn't 'educate' them to use specific pieces of software
How is 95% of the desktop market "specific?" Windows? Closed source. OS X? Gui is closed-source. Adobe? All closed source.
I see it as a rights issue.
Which is why you're a nut.
The option needs to be there.
Do you insist on learning how to fly before booking a trip via Southwest? Do you get a medical degree before seeing a doctor? You have nothing but an empty tautology that fits you and the five other free-as-in-Kool-Aid nutters on the planet.
If you want an iPad, don't buy one. It's that simple.
Since it is still being formed we can test that it is being made by erosion and then extrapolate back in time.
And you don't do that for evolution, which is also an ongoing process plus fossil record, cuz why?
It's probably better if you read the whole thread
Just because we're pointing out your concern trolling for what is is, doesn't mean we haven't read the thread.
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Argument by selectively quoting authority.
we have observed it happening
Which we have, again, seen with bacteria and fruit flies, with their quick reproduction cycles and short life spans. Which is again, elementary school-level biology. Arguing that we haven't seen DNA changes in organisms is like arguing that there's no evidence that we live in a heliocentric solar system.
Anything can be said to be religious fanaticism, including your stupid opposition to what I'm saying. It's a meaningless insult.
Unfortunately for you, it's not meaningless if it's true. The marketplace is still dominated by Windows, Office, and other closed-source products, so by denying kids that experience you are stunting them once they get out in the real world. And again, if you really really want kids to write system code and drivers, they can do all of that over an SSH terminal to the free-as-in-Kool-Aid operating system of your choice, running on any computer built in the last 15 years.
So stop pretending that your personal product preferences are some kind of human rights issue, cuz they're not. Kids no more need access to the kernel on an iPad than they need to know how to perform open-heart surgery.
You can't test that the Grand Canyon was formed via erosion. Do you therefore insist that that it's possible that it was carved out with Babe the Blue Ox and a giant plow?
We currently have never observed evolution occur (at a molecular scale).
Laughably false. Fruit flies. Bacteria. This is elementary-school level biology, here.
How do you figure? My contention is that there are people who are ideologically predisposed to agree with Ham for whom a cogent presentation
Then they already agree with Ham, so this "debate" will have no influence on them. Nobody hears about "young earth creationism" and says to themselves "hey that shit really makes sense" if they weren't already indoctrinated into the concept.
Stunting them in what way? Why should schools, which are supposed to be educational environments, use taxpayer dollars to buy proprietary software with draconian copyright restrictions, leaving kids unable to study and modify the source code, or even give them the sense that such a thing is acceptable?
That's the kind of religious fanaticism I'm talking about. Preventing the kids from learning about Windows or Office at school - genius! Insisting they be able to modify the source code of the device they are using, which 99.99999999% of the population couldn't care less about - genius!
If you want 8th graders to write kernel code, they can do it by opening an SSH connection to the old Pentium box sitting in the corner running Net BSD. If you insist on being a Stallmanite, at least not be a willfully obtuse one.
Oh, because someone doesn't like Apple stuff, they're a "Hateboi".
Oh, because you don't know the difference between stating a reasonable position and visible-from-space Hatorade? I don't like the size of the Samsung Galaxy because it's too big to fit in my pocket comfortably. My response is to....not buy one. And I don't go around pretending that my product preference is Samsung's design flaw. As opposed to the Hatebois whining about SD cards or batteries.
It is possible for someone to genuinely not like their style, you know.
And it is perfectly possible to....not buy their products without bitching about them. I don't like Country music, but I don't go around talking about how the people who make it suck and the people who buy it are sheep swayed by marketing and fashion. As opposed to the Hatebois who aren't content to buy whatever it is that does whatever they want, and be happy about it.
You are a complete idiot. Many people would love a government that was limited to simple neccesary functions like safe food supplies and no slavery.
No, dumbass, the (obvious) point was that even hinting at conflating regulations or oversight with the NSA's violations of the 4th Amendment, cuz gubbamint, is as sensible as conflating slave traders with businesses offering services or products, cuz profits.
Slavery would not have been possible without a large government
It was possible throughout human history without governments large or small, Randian delusions to the contrary.
Anything that the Heritage Foundation and DailyKos agree on is definitely worth considering.
They're both right wing, neo-con, neo-liberal organizations. The difference is that Heritage doesn't lie to the public or to themselves as to who and what they are. Case in point, the constant "look at how much Obamacare saved Joe Blow" stories you see there every week if not every day.
Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Which is based on a plan written by the...Heritage Foundation.
And your evidence to support this assertion? So what if Apple is not among the chipmakers supporting VP9 before the gate, since Apple isn't in the business of making chips, but buying them and putting them in consumer electronics.
Which is proprietary garbage that has no place in educational environments.
The garbage here is your religious fanaticism, Stallmanite. Restrict students to learning with free-as-in-Kool-Aid products and you are stunting them to pleasure your ideology.
Part of educating is creating, messing up, creating some more. Tinkering. Ipads(and all tablets really) SUCK at creation. They are content consumption devices. They are nothing more than smart TVs in your hand. Stop giving them to kids!
Errr wha? Get a bluetooth keyboard and you can use them to write essays, fiction, music. Amazing portraits have been made with iPhones, much less iPads. $5 gets you a fully functional painting program, saving on art supplies and even the educational price of Illustrator.
Can I code on a tablet? No thank you.
Dig out the bluetooth keyboard again and get an SSH app. Then connect to the linux box running on an old celeron at the school.
Can I pick one up in shop class and do the math to figure out the angle of a roof beam? No thank you.
Okay gramps, slow down before your hurt yourself and forget to mow that lawn. A $5 app can get you an A or a B in a Calc I course and maybe pass Calc II. Differential and integral calculus, 3d cartesian and poloar graphing, linear algebra, and even equation solving:
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Asking climate scientists if they are aware of the fact that climate has changed without human intervention in the past is like asking a marine biologist if they know that water is wet.
We're not.
That's called projection.
Just like we're too dumb to understand that smoking is a cause of lung cancer, or that erosion created the Grand Canyon, despite there not being a written record of its creation.
One part hand waving, one part word salad. 100% bullshit.
If you were the sort of stupid troll that ran around accusing hippies of wanting brown people to die of malaria because of DDT bans, maybe.
Because that's nothing more than stupid trolling, that's why. We don't need to study if people can eat corn or tomatoes, since people have been eating corn and tomatoes for thousands of years. People have not spent thousands of ears eating their corn and tomatoes with fish DNA grafted onto it. You're also ignoring the fact that we have decades of research into diets from around the world. We don't have that for pork meat with DNA from a cactus or whatever else it is you want us to eat.
You can also find reasons to ignore anything....like you're doing right now.
Not his point. At all.
Not done. You have to find me zealously clinging to a fringe, puritanical belief first. I'm calling you a zealot because you are a zealot on easily-defined issues. You're throwing the term around in the same way a four year old says "poopy head".
How is 95% of the desktop market "specific?" Windows? Closed source. OS X? Gui is closed-source. Adobe? All closed source.
Which is why you're a nut.
Do you insist on learning how to fly before booking a trip via Southwest? Do you get a medical degree before seeing a doctor? You have nothing but an empty tautology that fits you and the five other free-as-in-Kool-Aid nutters on the planet.
If you want an iPad, don't buy one. It's that simple.
And you don't do that for evolution, which is also an ongoing process plus fossil record, cuz why?
Just because we're pointing out your concern trolling for what is is, doesn't mean we haven't read the thread.
Argument by selectively quoting authority.
Which we have, again, seen with bacteria and fruit flies, with their quick reproduction cycles and short life spans. Which is again, elementary school-level biology. Arguing that we haven't seen DNA changes in organisms is like arguing that there's no evidence that we live in a heliocentric solar system.
There's also the stars in the path of the supermassive black holes as they merge....
Unfortunately for you, it's not meaningless if it's true. The marketplace is still dominated by Windows, Office, and other closed-source products, so by denying kids that experience you are stunting them once they get out in the real world. And again, if you really really want kids to write system code and drivers, they can do all of that over an SSH terminal to the free-as-in-Kool-Aid operating system of your choice, running on any computer built in the last 15 years.
So stop pretending that your personal product preferences are some kind of human rights issue, cuz they're not. Kids no more need access to the kernel on an iPad than they need to know how to perform open-heart surgery.
So why not "ditch" the product back to Apple for recycling.
Okay, why bring up an untestable thought experiment after I already mentioned Last Thursdayism?
You can't test that the Grand Canyon was formed via erosion. Do you therefore insist that that it's possible that it was carved out with Babe the Blue Ox and a giant plow?
Laughably false. Fruit flies. Bacteria. This is elementary-school level biology, here.
Then they already agree with Ham, so this "debate" will have no influence on them. Nobody hears about "young earth creationism" and says to themselves "hey that shit really makes sense" if they weren't already indoctrinated into the concept.
That's the kind of religious fanaticism I'm talking about. Preventing the kids from learning about Windows or Office at school - genius! Insisting they be able to modify the source code of the device they are using, which 99.99999999% of the population couldn't care less about - genius!
If you want 8th graders to write kernel code, they can do it by opening an SSH connection to the old Pentium box sitting in the corner running Net BSD. If you insist on being a Stallmanite, at least not be a willfully obtuse one.
Oh, because you don't know the difference between stating a reasonable position and visible-from-space Hatorade? I don't like the size of the Samsung Galaxy because it's too big to fit in my pocket comfortably. My response is to....not buy one. And I don't go around pretending that my product preference is Samsung's design flaw. As opposed to the Hatebois whining about SD cards or batteries.
And it is perfectly possible to....not buy their products without bitching about them. I don't like Country music, but I don't go around talking about how the people who make it suck and the people who buy it are sheep swayed by marketing and fashion. As opposed to the Hatebois who aren't content to buy whatever it is that does whatever they want, and be happy about it.
Wow. That's impressive, even for you.
No, dumbass, the (obvious) point was that even hinting at conflating regulations or oversight with the NSA's violations of the 4th Amendment, cuz gubbamint, is as sensible as conflating slave traders with businesses offering services or products, cuz profits.
It was possible throughout human history without governments large or small, Randian delusions to the contrary.
They're both right wing, neo-con, neo-liberal organizations. The difference is that Heritage doesn't lie to the public or to themselves as to who and what they are. Case in point, the constant "look at how much Obamacare saved Joe Blow" stories you see there every week if not every day.
Obamacare is based on Romneycare. Which is based on a plan written by the...Heritage Foundation.
And your evidence to support this assertion? So what if Apple is not among the chipmakers supporting VP9 before the gate, since Apple isn't in the business of making chips, but buying them and putting them in consumer electronics.
So you like setting up straw men and then setting them on fire? Which insurance company do you work for?
This isn't going to increase Ham's "popularity". It's going to illustrate the absurdity of letting crackpot ideas into polite conversation.
Answering one simple question with another.
The garbage here is your religious fanaticism, Stallmanite. Restrict students to learning with free-as-in-Kool-Aid products and you are stunting them to pleasure your ideology.
Errr wha? Get a bluetooth keyboard and you can use them to write essays, fiction, music. Amazing portraits have been made with iPhones, much less iPads. $5 gets you a fully functional painting program, saving on art supplies and even the educational price of Illustrator.
Dig out the bluetooth keyboard again and get an SSH app. Then connect to the linux box running on an old celeron at the school.
Okay gramps, slow down before your hurt yourself and forget to mow that lawn. A $5 app can get you an A or a B in a Calc I course and maybe pass Calc II. Differential and integral calculus, 3d cartesian and poloar graphing, linear algebra, and even equation solving:
No, that's you sticking by a false talking point, even though it's just been debunked.