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Best Buy Founder Makes $8.5 Billion Bid To Take Company Private

zacharye writes "Best Buy founder and the company's largest shareholder Richard Schulze has offered as much as $8.5 billion to take the company private. Schulze had been rumored to be preparing a takeover offer for some time, and he recently assembled a team of executives that will run the company if his buyout offer is approved. His offer amounts to between $24 and $26 per share, a premium of as much as 47% over Best Buy's stock price at Friday's close."

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  1. Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Title should read "Best Buy Founder Tells World He Will Try To Find $8.5 Billion To Take Company Private"

    I doubt he gets it.

    1. Re:Riiight... by sarysa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good point, his net worth is only $2.5bn apparently, and I'm curious as to who his backers could possibly be for a company that's been tanking lately. On the other hand, with all the cheezy, unimaginative, and downright obnoxious ploys Best Buy has implemented in the last few years, I can see where losing the stress of those "pesky shareholders" could work in the company's favor. I'd be willing to step into a Best Buy again maybe 6 months after it went private just to see if it has improved. (as it stands now, I'd rather go to a used car lot)

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    2. Re:Riiight... by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      dead serious, I have a 100$ best buy card.. Ive had it for 2 years.

      today i spent over an hour in my local best buy trying to find something for under 500$ to buy and i simply could not do it. 5-8 years ago, best buy was "the place" to be for a retail store. today, I have free money and cant buy something.

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    3. Re:Riiight... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have a 100$ best buy card.

      That will get you a 6' Monster brand HDMI cable, but it's not enough for the extended warranty.

    4. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      dead serious, I have a 100$ best buy card.. Ive had it for 2 years.

        today i spent over an hour in my local best buy trying to find something for under 500$ to buy and i simply could not do it. 5-8 years ago, best buy was "the place" to be for a retail store. today, I have free money and cant buy something.

      I went in looking for an hdmi splitter and good god they wanted 120$ for one.

      I'm buying online lol

    5. Re:Riiight... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      That will get you a 6" Monster brand HDMI cable, but it's not enough for the extended warranty.

      Fixed that for you.

    6. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked there in 2003. They've always been a place for big ticket items but buying any kind of accessory there was an effort in being extremely stupid. They don't make any money on computers, tvs, appliances, etc. They make all of it on extended warranties and accessories. Most people (not I didn't say smart people), research and research prices on the big ticket item (they'll spend hours to save $10) but then unknowingly spend 3x as much as they should on their accessories.

    7. Re:Riiight... by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      no joke, i wanted a sound card I like the old sound blaster+ i bought there around 08,payed 200 at the time. had an XLR port, 2 1/4 inch mic inputs and like 8 other inputer i dont care about. They had tablets, all in 1 PCs a section dedicated to apple. but all the hardware i used to buy, they dont offer, although they did try and convince me that "building your own is over, and its cheeper to buy an all in one" I just had to laugh (similar to the way radioshack used to have transistors but now they just have phones)

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    8. Re:Riiight... by dynamo52 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've always considered Best Buy a terrific example to illustrate the quote "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

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    9. Re:Riiight... by damiangerous · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The RadioShack nearest to me has all sorts of electronic parts. The guy I know who works there even has all the colors memorized for the different specs (such as the resistor color codes and fuse amperage) and he is insanely knowledgeable in general. Maybe that is what I get for living in a college town.

    11. Re:Riiight... by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      I really wish that were true by me. My radio shacks (within a 20 mile radius) have cell phones, HP laptops and 2 year old desktops, and 10 year old RC cars

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    12. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go for video games. They're generally the same price everywhere.

    13. Re:Riiight... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      with all the cheezy, unimaginative, and downright obnoxious ploys Best Buy has implemented in the last few years,

      How about the fact that every time I go in that store, there seem to be about 15 employees standing around the service desk bullshitting around doing nothing (and even more wandering around the store doing nothing), all while I have to stand in line forever at the ONE REGISTER that's open?

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    14. Re:Riiight... by v1 · · Score: 2

      They've always been a place for big ticket items but buying any kind of accessory there was an effort in being extremely stupid. They don't make any money on computers, tvs, appliances, etc. They make all of it on extended warranties and accessories.

      That's typical of most local stores. They don't make much margin on big things, but make very good margin on little things. When something is small, a high percentage margin doesn't add many hard digits to the price. Look at a computer, maybe wholesale $1125, sells for $1199, 7% margin. A router wholesales for $26, sells for $35, 35% margin. An ethernet cable wholesales for $1.85, sells for $7.99, 330% margin.

      That's how most local businesses work. People don't look at the margin as a percentage, they look at it as a dollar amount per item. The extra $75 tacked onto the computer really looks like a lot more money lost than an extra $9 on a router, or $6 on a cable. But the reality is that the cable is a massive ripoff by comparison. So they're just gaming human nature here.

      But looked at a different way... the shelf space taken by a computer vs a router doesn't differ a whole lot. And that space is your resource to work with. So it's not so much that you have to get margin per item, but you have to make the retail space pay for itself. And that doesn't vary a lot between items. A $2500 computer may take up as much space as a $500 computer. The rent for the building isn't set based on which model of computer you have on the shelf. So both the $500 and the $2500 computer need to bring in the same amount to cover their way, regardless of margin. So naturally the smaller items require a higher markup. If you have a space in your store where a space is netting you $40/month, you may have another identical size space in your store that is raking in $100/month, and that probably means you need to adjust some margins or change your product selection.

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    15. Re:Riiight... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...although they did try and convince me that "building your own is over, and its cheeper to buy an all in one" ...

      If you don't care about expandability or the quality of components; then he is correct.
      I technically haven't bought a new computer since the 90's. I just keep upgrading components when the price/timing is right for me. Although, nowadays you often have to buy the MB/CPU/RAM together so it almost seems like you're buying a new computer.

      It does appear that a pre-assembled computer is cheaper, but they always include some junk I would never buy. A motherboard with no 16 lane PCIe (so you can't upgrade the video). Or an HDD where the next size up would have only cost $10 more for 50% more capacity, etc, etc. I know they're just trying to offload inventory at the lowest price point; which for 90% of people is all they care about.

      So technically a pre-assembled computer is cheaper.

    16. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Went in There on Sunday to look for teh wife a new keyboard and there were 8-9 to choose from. Picked one, scanned it with my iPhone and found out it was on sale for $20 cheaper at a Staples a mile away.

    17. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6"

    18. Re:Riiight... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I had one of those a few years ago. I think someone got it for me for Christmas because I was "into computers or something".

      I had it for quite some time, and then somewhere along the line I realized I needed a new motherboard. I decided to check out what they had in stock and ended up getting an Asus board from them.

      It's worked well, but I would likely have been better served to sell the card and get a motherboard that wasn't an ugly step-child model, since I have been unable to upgrade the memory to the advertised 16Gb. Hell, I've spent a few hundred bucks on a few different sets of DIMMS trying to get the board to 16Gb to no avail.

      Quite an expensive gift card it turns out to be.

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    19. Re:Riiight... by NFN_NLN · · Score: 1

      How about the fact that every time I go in that store, there seem to be about 15 employees standing around the service desk bullshitting around doing nothing (and even more wandering around the store doing nothing), all while I have to stand in line forever at the ONE REGISTER that's open?

      True story, Walmart actually beat the single open register, and I'm not joking.

      Some of the Walmarts have an automotive department (Mr. Lube). Technically the same building but it is an add-on with separate tills, entrance, etc.
      I went in on three separate occasions and there was literally no one there. Once during a weekend, once during a weekday and once on a weeknight. The other departments would touch automotive and when I called in and got transferred to automotive the phone just rang and rang.

      It was a sweet deal so I wanted to get it, but there was literally no one there to get the tires or pay. So technically there were ZERO REGISTERS open!

      Bill Burr actually has a stand routine about grocery stores in the future. One day there won't be any staff out front. When that happens... "f*ck it, I'll just walk out without paying. I tried paying... but there was no one there.." :)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4p9C9oJQ0
      Around 2 minutes mark...

    20. Re:Riiight... by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Informative

      iTunes cards - basically you need BB to convert your useless currency (their gift card) into usable currency (iTunes) - which you can then give away as presents or burn through yourself.

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    21. Re:Riiight... by russotto · · Score: 2

      An ethernet cable wholesales for $1.85, sells for $7.99, 330% margin.

      Which would be not so bad, for someone who just wants one cable now. But Best Buy won't sell it for $7.99. They'll sell it for $18.99. They've taken the strategy to an extreme and pissed off a lot of people.

    22. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a CPU limitation. You may need a new CPU to upgrade... I had to change my laptop's CPU to get it up to 32GB from the 16GB wall.

    23. Re:Riiight... by Latentius · · Score: 0

      That would be one register at the front...and probably one also in the PC department, and one in the videogame department, and a couple at Customer Service (yes, they can do checkouts)...and perhaps even a few more beyond that, depending on the size of the store.

    24. Re:Riiight... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      19 bucks for an ethernet cable? Before I buy that I risk enabling WiFi.

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    25. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i saw what you did there

    26. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Because they're going broke.

    27. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're in one of the few states where they are not sold, you could use your BB gc to buy Amazon gift cards. I did that with my $300+ in BB gc that I had accumulated over the last couple of years from bdays/holidays/etc.

    28. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i used my last best buy card to buy an amazon gift card fast and easy

    29. Re:Riiight... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      iTunes cards - basically you need BB to convert your useless currency (their gift card) into usable currency (iTunes) - which you can then give away as presents or burn through yourself.

      Just wait for sales though - iTunes cards are regularly 20% off (yes, it comes out of that 30% cut Apple takes) and you can bet while it's going on the store is still making a profit out of it (splitting the 10% leftover).

      So you can buy 2 $50 cards, and 1 $20 card and have nothing left over except christmas presents for people.

      You can do the same for Xbox Live cards as well (both points and gold subscription cards).

      It's also one of my annoyances with Sony (because they are marked $50 or $20 on them, they NEVER go on sale), and Google Play (no gift cards, no chance for them to go on sale). The fact that iTunes and Xbox Live Gold and points cards go on sale so regularly means I end up getting a few and using them as gifts and such as well (no one needs to know I spent less than face value).

      Yeah yeah yeah, gift cards and locked-in money, yadda yadda yadda. Of course, only if you're paying full price - and nothing like creating a sale when you need it.

    30. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a Boxxee Box. They're 189 Canadian, so with the exchange rate now that's only about 250 USD? ;)

      It's the best media server box available right now. Cut the cord.

    31. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dead serious, I have a 100$ best buy card.. Ive had it for 2 years.

        today i spent over an hour in my local best buy trying to find something for under 500$ to buy and i simply could not do it. 5-8 years ago, best buy was "the place" to be for a retail store. today, I have free money and cant buy something.

      I had a $100 Best Buy gift card once, too. I finally found a use for it after a year and a half. That same week, Foxwoods gave me a $50 Best buy card as a promotion. The item I bought with that card included a $30 Best Buy card as a promotion. It never ends.

    32. Re:Riiight... by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      CDs. The one by our house has a good selection of the Rhino re-releases. Picked up a few old Elvis Costello records we didn't have or lost.

      Seriously, that's the only thing I can find to buy when I get a Best Buy gift card. The only other thing I've bought there in the last ten years is my DSLR, as they were running a pretty good sale that included a nice camera bag and lens kit. I've never seen anything else there worth buying at the prices being offered.

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    33. Re:Riiight... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Monster-brand stock, obviously. Sold in stacks of six feet.

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    34. Re:Riiight... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I know they're just trying to offload inventory at the lowest price point; which for 90% of people is all they care about.

      No, they're trying to offload what will sound most impressive with the cheapest possible components. Which is why for example most OEM models were consistently RAM starved, people looked at the CPU and GPU so slashing that saved some bucks. That is also why AMD and nVidia do rebrands of their graphics card so it sounds like they're from the most recent series. That said, they do have some good deals so the tech-savvy people don't shun them. They know for everyone who follows your brand, they're likely to get a high-margin sale from people who can't tell the good deals from the poor ones.

      It's actually pretty standard reasoning in fields you don't know very much about. You want a product that you're confident will be good enough, at a price that you feel isn't outrageous. You could read reviews and whatnot and find out exactly if that $50 cheaper model would actually suffice but it'd take time to understand and they'd much rather be playing WoW or hobby time or family time so you just get the slightly more expensive one and call it a day. I mean I can read a 20 page review of a new CPU on Anandtech but I know that's not for everyone - and they wouldn't understand all even if they did - and I do the same in many other fields.

      In any case, things are integrating whether you like it or not so even if you know what you need and not the choices are narrowing. Laptops are of course very integrated, but even on a desktop I hardly use the expansion slots anymore. For most practical matters the CPU and chipset are almost one, like Ivy Bridge and Z77 which makes the motherboards practically identical. There's not really that much differentiation going on anymore, what the OEMs make is not that different from what I'd do myself - even if I started from scratch. The only real advantage you have is the ability to replace one and one component.

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    35. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      16GB DDR3 is available as a single stick for desktops at a reasonable price.

      If you need DDR2, you can get that as 2x8GB modules, but it'll cost ya.

      If you need DDR3 SO-DIMMs and can afford to drive a Bugatti, you can even get 32GB modules.

    36. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They sell gift cards for other stores. You can use your Best Buy gift card to buy another gift card that you will actually use.

      Or blank media, hard disks, etc? Even if it's a bad deal, gotta push that dough.

    37. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were they out of USB cables?

    38. Re:Riiight... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Depends on the sort of things you want. Bestbuy gets preferential treatment for release allocations of certain products (collectors editions of video games, peripherals that sort of thing) where if you didn't pre-order you'd be SOL anywhere else. But best buy will usually have them in stock.

      They also stuck a bunch of stuff that's about the same price as the decent online retailers, routers, generic speaker type parts, that sort of thing. Don't go into best buy expecting anyone there to have a brain, that's not the point, if you've got a 100 dollar gift card you're better to use it sooner rather than later before they go bankrupt, so even buying something you don't outright need, but can use, new headphones, a mouse or keyboard, a case for your phone, some USB drives and that kind of stuff is better than a worthless card. You're better to buy 10 USB drives and lose 9 of them than to have a gift card fro best buy.

      They even sell boring overpriced small appliances, fans, vacuums that sort of thing. Find someone who needs a fan in this heat, and buy one of those.

    39. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      monster brand HDMI cables are great for getting video to big screens

    40. Re:Riiight... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      One thing that's annoying me more and more about desktop PCs is the size. With everything so integrated, and having 4+ drives no longer worth the hassle (I have 2 HDs in a RAID1 mirror), it really seems like the case sizes should have shrunk a lot. But they haven't; we still have the same giant ATX cases as we had 15 years ago, typically with 3 5.25" slots, 2 3.5" slots, 4 internal 3.5" slots, etc. Most of the space inside my case is empty and wasted.

    41. Re:Riiight... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But looked at a different way... the shelf space taken by a computer vs a router doesn't differ a whole lot. And that space is your resource to work with. So it's not so much that you have to get margin per item, but you have to make the retail space pay for itself. And that doesn't vary a lot between items.

      Well, then they'll have a very good story for when they go out of business.

      Plus you are giving an accountant's version of reality. One in which the customer is a mindless automaton.

      When I as a customer, go into a Best Buy and see a cable I can buy online for 4 dollars and they are selling it for 30 dollars, it pretty much pisses me off. I leave the store, and don't go back. Because for all the calculations about profit per square inch, if the customer won't return to the store, it doesn't matter how clever the accountants are.

      You see this a lot these days, in big box stores. Our Lowe's stores hardly ever has any parts for repairing things, even if they have a thousand five gallon buckets of contractor grade wall paint. I've wasted a lot of time looking for things they should have, but don't. They have a lot of overhead, and won't stock small parts that I need because some accountant figured there wasn't enough profit in that. So I just travel across town to the True Value store. And yeah, for that one purchase, True Value only makes a little bit. But then when I need something bigger, I just go to the True Value instead of the Lowe's. The price is often better too.

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    42. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The electrons have better resolution in them.

    43. Re:Riiight... by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Not kidding, $19.99 was actually what I paid for my first wireless router (wrt64gc) AT BestBuy! This was about 6-9 years ago though and you're lucky to find one under $80.

    44. Re:Riiight... by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      dead serious, I have a 100$ best buy card.. Ive had it for 2 years.

      Might want to double-check they're still worth $100 and Best Buy hasn't started charging you an "account maintenance fee" for not using them. I know such fees have gone horribly out of fashion with most retailers after consumer backlash to them originally, but this is Best Buy we're taking about.

    45. Re:Riiight... by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      If you don't care about expandability or the quality of components; then he is correct. I technically haven't bought a new computer since the 90's. I just keep upgrading components when the price/timing is right for me. Although, nowadays you often have to buy the MB/CPU/RAM together so it almost seems like you're buying a new computer.

      I've been noticing I need to upgrade the PSU at the same time too. The power capacity requirements have gone up and there are extra connectors for the motherboard, GPU and SATA drives that didn't exist during my previous build.

    46. Re:Riiight... by PhrstBrn · · Score: 1

      They do make cases like that if you go with MicroATX boards (same features as full ATX, just less PCIe slots). Something like one of these sounds like what you want.

      Pizza box case

      Cube

    47. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah! I've spent my 100$ last saturday that I've had since Christmas...
      maybe it's because we have everything we need already?!

      oh ... if you're interrested, I bought an ipod for my 8 year old daughter to replace her DS

    48. Re:Riiight... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, the ones are so much more oney than if you use a non-premium brand HDMI cable that costs 10% of what Monster charges! Monster's cable quality is so superior to other brands - I mean, look at how they crimp on the connection. If you don't get a nice tight crimp with all that hard plastic around it, the zeros will fall out of the cable, and you'll have a big mess on the ground behind your TV, or a bucket that you'll have to dump every once in a while.

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    49. Re:Riiight... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Radioshack... I was just in there today. Right across the mall is one of those $5 and under stores. You want a cell phone charger? $5 from the huge rack of cell phone accessories in the $5 store or $30 from Radioshack.

      How the hell do they stay in business?

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    50. Re:Riiight... by berberine · · Score: 1

      I started shopping at Best Buy in the early 1990s. I loved it and went there often. I used to make jokes about how I'd go in to pick up something real quick and come out $100 poorer because I found other stuff to buy. I think it was about 2004 when I started noticing the really shitty changes to the company. Since 2007, I think I've been in there ~15 times. It's mostly browsing though. I rarely buy anything from them these days because I can get it much cheaper and better at Newegg or someplace else.

    51. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but it is a premium cable that will double you resolution, save the environment and give you access to deleted scenes.

    52. Re:Riiight... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I've always considered Best Buy a terrific example to illustrate the quote "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

      Wrong: Circuit City went Bankrupt.

      Protip: Blanket statements are always wrong. Stop repeating them.

    53. Re:Riiight... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Because Walmart knows that they can have horrifyingly poor customer service; because as long as their prices are 3% below their competitors, people will still show up in giant lines. And if it is the Holy Time of Christmas season, they will trample and murder each other for that discount.

      My favorite bar is located a parking lot away from a Target (no really, it is a great bar in a retail area, I don't get it either)... Every Black Friday they do a Kegs and Eggs promotion and open early so people can sit and watch the crazies over a few beers. I have never attended, as I am not sure how crazy Target gets, and I cant be arsed to get out of bed early the day after turkey day. But I have always thought about going out, getting a beer, eggs, bacon and putting my feet up to spectate. This year, I will suggest this year they put up cameras in front of the Walmart, the Mall, and Toys R Us, so we can watch other stores on the TVs.

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    54. Re:Riiight... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I used to, but I'm so far behind on games I tend to buy them several years old and used. BB carries some used games, but the discount is fairly small, and given a couple of years of age I can generally find the same used game on Amazon for much, much less. If you're willing to pay new-game price, you're still likely to find a discount on Amazon or a sale on Steam that beats BB's in-store price, though maybe not by much.

    55. Re:Riiight... by devman · · Score: 1

      Just build two computers a couple months ago and used the case linked below for both of em. Probably the best case I've ever used for building computers.

      I was upgrading from a Cooler Master Stacker 830 to this and at first I thought I would miss the huge case but never gave it a second thought after I put the PCs together.

      Fractal Design Arc Mini http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352008

    56. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually look for CD's. I go through looking for new things I havent heard of before. The last time I did this I discovered some great music and bought 2 albums from a dude named Trombone Shorty. It was some sweet upbeat creole style jazz.

    57. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like when the grocery store offers quadruple points on gift cards, so even though I'm paying full price for a card I'm also racking up the fuel points to save on gas down the road. I have bought iTunes and Xbox cards that way. Yay Bastion and Torchlight and fuel points!

    58. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My local Radioshack removed breadboards, basic components, etc. here. When I asked, I was told that people weren't buying them anymore and that they were no longer "that kind of store".

      Now, however, I've found that recently all the stores in the area now sell components again, and even stock Arduinos.

    59. Re:Riiight... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      never bought anything from itunes, probably never will. Just my preference but for others thats not a horrible idea

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    60. Re:Riiight... by Zomalaja · · Score: 2

      because they use smaller than normal electrons, so there are more of them.

    61. Re:Riiight... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I checked, this one does not have any fees thankfully

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    62. Re:Riiight... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The cube case is more like what I'm envisioning, but from my research, there just isn't much selection in cases like that; 99% of cases for full/mini/microATX are the typical mini-tower cases with 3 5.25" bays which will never all be used.

    63. Re:Riiight... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      16GB DDR3 is available as a single stick [crucial.com] for desktops at a reasonable price.

      READ THE FUCKING SPECS

      "Quad Ranked Registered"

      This is NOT desktop memory, it will only work in high end server boards that support quad-ranked registered memory.

      Besides just because a given size and technology of module is available doesn't mean your board will support it.

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    64. Re:Riiight... by sarysa · · Score: 1

      ...although they did try and convince me that "building your own is over, and its cheeper to buy an all in one" ...

      It does appear that a pre-assembled computer is cheaper, but they always include some junk I would never buy. A motherboard with no 16 lane PCIe (so you can't upgrade the video). Or an HDD where the next size up would have only cost $10 more for 50% more capacity, etc, etc. I know they're just trying to offload inventory at the lowest price point; which for 90% of people is all they care about.

      Don't forget that it works the other way. There's diminishing returns to consider with building a custom. The way I see it:

      • * Low-end prebuilt systems, you get crap parts that would have given great returns for minor price increases (like you stated)
      • * High-end prebuilt systems, you may get the latest and greatest process, paying 2x more for the same number of cores and maybe a 5% speed increase.
      • * Mid-end prebuilt systems (which I typically got with laptops) are carefully crafted to be better than the lower end systems, while having enough weak links built in to force you to upgrade in a couple years. It becomes more economical to custom a high-end!

      You just can't win with prebuilt...

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    65. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yikes - that's not too far off!

    66. Re:Riiight... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      The RadioShack nearest to me has all sorts of electronic parts. The guy I know who works there even has all the colors memorized for the different specs (such as the resistor color codes and fuse amperage) and he is insanely knowledgeable in general. Maybe that is what I get for living in a college town.

      I remember when that pretty much described every Radio Shack I remember going to in the 80's. Something changed in the 90's and they are more about mobile phones than anything these days. I have three within 5 miles of where I live. One still carries resisters, transistors, capacitors and such. They're all stuffed into flip up metal drawers now. I think it's some kind of child proofing to keep the employees from choking on them. Most of the employees I've talked to get that "deer caught in the headlights" look when I ask them for anything.

      My father was having issues with connecting to his cable modem a couple of weeks ago. Since I wasn't sure what the issue was I wanted to have an ethernet card ready in case the integrated one was fried. Strangely no one carries them anymore. I suppose most computers have them integrated these days. Anyhow I asked the guy at Radio Shack if they had them. When he handed me a WiFi card I explained that I needed a wired one with a RJ45 jack, he handed me another WiFi card and told me it should work. I explained it to him again and he just stared at me. I did end up finding a USB adapter at Radio Shack, which was better than I could find anywhere else. My father is not a tech savvy person at all, but he was surprised by how little the people at Radio Shack knew.

    67. Re:Riiight... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Mod up. TruValue and ACE, real hardware stores for guys that get things done. Home Depot and Lowe's are jokes.

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    68. Re:Riiight... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      There's not really that much differentiation going on anymore, what the OEMs make is not that different from what I'd do myself - even if I started from scratch. The only real advantage you have is the ability to replace one and one component.

      Because no one ever looks at the specs of a power supply, this is one area in which OEM's tend to skimp. This is one major reason I will not buy a per-assembled computer. Some of the cheaper brands don't even use a PSU that meets the minimum requirements for the hardware they put in it. Even ones that do, generally don't leave you a lot to go on if you want to add a hard drive or two, or upgrade the VGA. But they still give you 4+ empty bays to add drives. Or two empty PCI-e slots that you don't stand a chance of even being able to power up a single mid-range VGA. I've seen numerous cases where a low cost PSU fried everything but the DVD-ROM in a system when they die. I've not had this issue with quality brand units though, and I've seen several fail over the years.

      I've also found that even on OEM systems with a reasonable amount of RAM, the CAS latency is awful. Even when it is only a couple dollars more for better. Crappy sleeve bearing fans are also an issue. They are generally fairly quiet, but either seize or get unbearably loud long before the system needs to be replaced. Of course they are held in by plastic clips that usually break when you try to replace the fan too.

      I agree that up front costs make an OEM system seem like a better deal, but I still find that building computers works out better in the long run. Plus I don't keep sending perfectly good cases, PSU, CD.DVD/BD drives, etc. to the landfill.

    69. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dead serious, I have a 100$ best buy card.. Ive had it for 2 years.

        today i spent over an hour in my local best buy trying to find something for under 500$ to buy and i simply could not do it. 5-8 years ago, best buy was "the place" to be for a retail store. today, I have free money and cant buy something.

      buy an amazon gift card with it

    70. Re:Riiight... by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I've learned to ask. Many stores have a secret stash of parts hidden away, nice way to get a capacitor or whatnot when you're in a rush. It isn't like the old days when you could browse all the part aisles, though.

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    71. Re:Riiight... by Cuddlah · · Score: 1

      Just don't forget to take your plasma TVs in every few years to have the plasma topped off.

  2. Surprise. by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

    Last rumor I heard (here), he would take a golden parachute to escape before BB crumbled.

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    1. Re:Surprise. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You get old enough (and rich enough) and it's not about the ROI anymore, it's about making 'em do it they way you tell 'em to.

    2. Re:Surprise. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      The guy already owns 20% of the company, so I think he has more of an interest in its success than just his paycheck.

    3. Re:Surprise. by notgm · · Score: 1

      if he's makes a claim that he's going to buy out shares at a 47% premium, and owns 20% already, sounds like he's just doing a fancy wide-screen director's cut of the old pump-and-dump.

      duh.

    4. Re:Surprise. by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      He's classified as an insider by the SEC as a result of the quantity of stock he owns. As a result, he has to publicly declare the sale of his stock prior to completing the sale, which makes it almost impossible to pump and dump.

  3. Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by zero.kalvin · · Score: 1

      I am baffled ( I do understand it ) by this behavoir, how everyone immediately hurries to buy shares in some company just because someone shared his interest in it. I do understand that it is a way to gain money but I can't help but to think of hyenas each time I see this happen.

    2. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because automated high speed trading reads news tickers and goes "COMPANY X ... BOUGHT BY... COMPANY/NAME Y FOR Z/SHARE" and immediately puts in bids for Company X to bid it up to Z.

    3. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by BKX · · Score: 2

      It did. By several dollars. On Friday the stock was only trading in the $18 range. Today it's been in the low 20s, closing just shy of $20. In fact, Yahoo, right on the linked page, says it's up 2.35 from Friday's close, more than 13%. I'd say that's up quite a bit.

      Oh, now I see the source of the confusion. That 24-26 range in the summary is the range that the Best Buy founder offered to pay to buy out the company, not the actual price of the stock.

    4. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Kylon99 · · Score: 1

      It could be because the majority of people interested in the stock believe that the deal isn't likely to go through, perhaps? But otherwise yes, I've seen the prices usually go right to the buyout price. If the deal should go through the price should instantly rise to that amount and the Bollinger Bands (which measure standard deviation) would immediately narrow.

    5. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

      Why are you baffled by this? Is I own object x, and I know that suddenly someone is interested in it for 50% more than I currently can sell it for, then the price goes up. The only reason it hasn't jumped more is because this isn't a firm bid, but simply interest. The market is factoring in how credible this interest is and what the odds are of it coming to pass. Simply markets trying to price a security in a volatile situation.

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    6. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Umm...it had its largest single-day gain since 2009. I'd call that being pushed up by the offer, wouldn't you? That it is still short of the offer isn't entirely surprising, but considering it started much lower earlier today, reaching where it did was rather significant.

    7. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Why are you baffled by this?

      Because as often as not, its a hoax or a scam. Those who jump skivvy to throw their money at it usually get burned: See Facebook.

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    8. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Kergan · · Score: 1

      I am baffled ( I do understand it ) by this behavoir, how everyone immediately hurries to buy shares in some company just because someone shared his interest in it. I do understand that it is a way to gain money but I can't help but to think of hyenas each time I see this happen.

      Then again, this one has "we're looking for a few dumb fucks to actually fund this mess irrespective of the shitty economy" written all over it.

    9. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      So, you are suggesting that the founder is engaging in a scam? I'm confused...

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    10. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you explain to me why he didn't just buying up the stock without announcing it, let the price float up, then stop, and continue? Why the whole "announce" instead of just BUY?

    11. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Insider (those who typically own more than 1%, or are active in the leadership of a company) trades - either sells or buys - must be announced at least 1 quarter in advance (SEC rules). Additionally, since he doesn't have all the capital available himself, he needs to get others to invest with him, and given the size of placement it may need to be publicized as well (SEC rules).

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    12. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused...

      You are quite easily confused.

    13. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like there's two possibilities here:

      1) guy with 20% buys the other 80% at a markup.
      2) guy with 20% convinces everyone else he's going to buy the other 80% at a markup, in the resulting confusion, unloads his 20%.

    14. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Someone pointed out that he could be pumping and dumping. Although that's a pretty blatant and illegal combination of insider trading and market manipulation. How does he keep the money? Probably would be better return to just sell off his share slowly and retire during the process.

      I think it's fairly straight forward. He buys out the company for a modest mark up, runs it well for a time, and then sells out for significant gain when the company is made public again.

    15. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      As you indicate, it would really be hard to pump and dump in his position. So, I think your second assertion is the correct one.

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    16. Re:Why hasn't this pushed the stock price up? by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Because behavioral economics demands that the price end in .99, otherwise people will think they are being ripped off. If the price jumped to $20, there would be no buyers.

      On the other hand, $19.99 is just the sticker price. Once you throw in the extended warranty, Geek Squad on-site setup, and ten accessories you don't actually need, it'll be $237.54.

  4. Fustrating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was only able to scrounge up 8.35 billion (maybe if I check the couch cushions again)...

  5. Re:The next circuit city. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    It's a public company. While he's the largest shareholder (i.e. owns the most of it), there is no single owner of the company at this time, since other people own shares as well.

  6. sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sold to you

  7. Wouldn't have to ask me twice by oakgrove · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His offer amounts to between $24 and $26 per share, a premium of as much as 47% over Best Buy's stock price at Friday's close..."

    Um, SOLD!!

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  8. He will get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Title should read "Best Buy Founder Tells World He Will Try To Find $8.5 Billion To Take Company Private"

    I doubt he gets it.

    I have no doubt that he will.

    First he's the founder and billionaire. That means he's got a "track record" among the money crowd.

    He will have a plan when he goes shopping for money.

    He's the founder who'll rescue the company.

    The money guys will be drooling over all the fees, commisions, and every other way they'll make a fortune off of this guy - and they will be right there to help him get his money.

    He will can hundreds if not thousands of people, restructure debt, and other things that will stick it up the ass of the working and middle class.

    Oh, and he'll probably will NOT have to put up much, if any, of his own money.

    Those people live in a different world than you or me. If they get into trouble with debt, the banks kiss their ass and help them to deal with it even if it hurts them. And no one calls them "irresponsible", "free loader" or any of those names. And if need be, some well placed calls to people in Congress and some really cheap taxpayer money will come their way.

    They call them "job creators". And if you think he got where he is by hard work and some risk taking, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    Now, I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep.

    1. Re:He will get it. by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      I think Best Buy is tired for being amazons show room.

    2. Re:He will get it. by dywolf · · Score: 1

      I was with you until you got into the rhetoric about screwing low and middle classes and then you went off into lala land.

      Making a company successful after it has gotten into a pit (Best Buy, perfect example) is not easy. It will probably be years before Best Buy is once again successful even if the founder guy gets to go ahead with his plan. And it will entail much painful decisions and restructuring.

      But what should they do, just keep lumbering along for fear of hurting someone?

      The company is already in the toilet. Don't stop them from trying to climb out.

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    3. Re:He will get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if he does all that as you say, he still won't have any customers. We, the great unwashed masses, no longer use B&M stores for consumer electronics and appliances.

  9. Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Actually this sort of garbage is why I refuse to go into a Worst Buy

    A friend of mine recently had some problems with some SATA cables included with a case in a build he was doing for some family member. Nothing serious. The cables that came with the case were made with flimsy components and were only rated at 3 Gb/s. Rather than risk things he wanted to buy good cables and while he was at it he wanted the 6 Gb/s cables, because hell, why not?

    Not only did Worst Buy not have any SATA cables, their 'senior geek squad representative' didn't understand that he didn't want Molex power cables for about 10 minutes. Then they offered to order them for him. Total cost for 2, count them TWO 18 inch SATA cables? $57.63, and it would be about a week before they arrived. Instead, be bought 10 (bulk pricing) cables off Newegg or Monoprice (can't recall) for less than 50 dollars including shipping, and they arrived just under 48 hours after submitting his order.

    They are higher quality cables than what he could have ordered through Worst Buy, they arrived faster, it took him less than 3 minutes to make his purchase vs nearly a half hour of frustration, and they fucking glow in the dark.

    Is there ANY good reason to go into that hellhole of a store?

    1. Re:Cables by evafan76 · · Score: 2

      Is there ANY good reason to go into that hellhole of a store?

      That one time when I can't find something at Staples/Office Depot, am too lazy to drive to MicroCenter, but want it NOW, so ordering it from Amazon or NewEgg is not an option.

      This happens about once every 2 years

    2. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Move somewhere with a Fry's.

    3. Re:Cables by patchmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cables are to Best Buy as soda is to McDonald's.

      And, actually, as Best Buy prices go, $57.63 for TWO SATA cables isn't that bad. A couple years ago I had an immediate need for a USB cable. They wanted $50 for ONE. I decided my need wasn't that great. Ordered ten online (to meet minimum order requirements) and got them for $12 plus shipping. I was tempted to take the other nine and hang out in front of Best Buy offering to sell them for "half price".

    4. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they fucking glow in the dark.

      Made in Japan[TM]

    5. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Move somewhere with a Fry's.

      I would second that motion.

      I have experienced "old-school" Radio Shack, Best Buy, Staples, MicroCenter, and Fry's, and of the lot I would prefer Fry's, hands down.

      I think that Best Buy founder Richard Shulze intends to retain control of his company in the coming economic downturn, and removing BB stock from public scrutiny would limit the negative impact of some easily predicted future quarterly earnings reports. Speculators can very rapidly drive a stock price downward, making it a ripe Target for a hostile takeover.

    6. Re:Cables by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I live about 3 miles from a Fry's. It's not that great; I usually order my stuff from Newegg instead. Yes, it is nice for those extremely rare times that I really need something fast, but this is usually just for work, not for personal use. The prices are OK, but the employees are annoying, the returns process sucks, and the other customers remind me of shopping at Walmart. Yes, the selection and prices are far better than Worst Buy, but they're still not as good as Newegg. I'm going to be moving across the country soon; I won't miss it much.

    7. Re:Cables by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      Fry's Returns Process sucks? Is this the same Fry's that sells open box returns as new? Or am I thinking of some other Fry's Electronics?

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    8. Re:Cables by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      No, it's the same one. It's not nearly as bad as Worst Buy (holy shit that place is a nightmare if you want to return something; my wife and I tried that once because she didn't want to wait for a laptop from Newegg, so we got one at BB over my protests, and of course it had a problem, and they didn't want to take it back without paying a fee; now she refuses to step into another BB). However, it is a hassle, as it's very slow, as the line is frequently long, and they always, for some stupid reason, have to wait for some dumbass manager to come approve the return, and of course he's nowhere to be found when he's needed (and he's needed for every single return too). It's not like returns at someplace like Walmart or Target, which are lightning quick and don't have all the hassle.

    9. Re:Cables by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Fry's Returns Process sucks? Is this the same Fry's that sells open box returns as new? Or am I thinking of some other Fry's Electronics?

      I've never had a problem with the return policy even if it was simply a "I don't want it anymore" or "it didn't work for what I was trying to use it for" (I was doing something unorthodox). On my most recent return, they put a sticker on the box that knocked off a few dollars for the next customer to buy it (all the cables and papers were present). Seemed honest, simple and straight forward to me.

    10. Re:Cables by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      If the guy has enough money to buy back the company now, why not wait for the downturn then buy it for less? Hostile takeovers are only a problem if you don't have the money to fight them.

    11. Re:Cables by sageres · · Score: 1

      I think the problems have really begone to surface once the competition named 'CompUSA' was no longer present.

    12. Re:Cables by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      $50 for 10 is still crazy expensive.

    13. Re:Cables by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      If you're basing your decision of what region in which to live on proximity to a retail big-box chain, you've got some serious fucking problems.

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    14. Re:Cables by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Maybe he means Fry's Food Stores, and he's off-topic?

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    15. Re:Cables by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      At $50 for a USB cable, you're better off buying a $50 USB printer, and reselling the ink on eBay!

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    16. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot to look at the printer box.
      Items included:
      -Printer
      -Power cord

      *USB cable sold separately.

      That's been the last 2 HP printers I have bought.

    17. Re:Cables by Stizark · · Score: 2

      My mom, who knows nothing about technology, went into a Best Buy looking for a new 'DVD' player. She wanted the 'upgrade to DVD, whatever that is,' and she asked them for help figuring out which one she should get. She didn't want the high end one, and that's all she knew.

      What she didn't know, and what the sales associate failed to inform her of, was that 6 months earlier BluRay had squashed HDDVD's. So next time I went to her house, and she asked me to set up her brand new HDDVD player, I just about went berserk. I should have asked where she bought it from before telling her why I was so angry. I suppose she thought I'd kill someone.

      In hindsight, it's probably good she didn't tell me. I have a hard time stomaching any place that would take advantage of an old woman.

    18. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except USB printers usually do not include the cable.

    19. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there ANY good reason to go into that hellhole of a store?

      The day my DSL modem died, they had the lowest price on a replacement--and I could pick it up on the way home from work.

    20. Re:Cables by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Move somewhere with a Fry's.

      I think the larger question is...Why doesn't Fry's expand across the nation...to fill the void left there by departure of Compusa, etc.....?

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    21. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem there is that $$$ USB printers don't even come with USB cables anymore.

    22. Re:Cables by tautog · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing it's largely because there is no void. There's a reason that CompUSA couldn't survive...

    23. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At $50 for a USB cable, you're better off buying a $50 USB printer, and reselling the ink on eBay!

      They got 'smart' and stopped including the usb cable in those printer boxes... after all, it's worth the same as the whole printer!

    24. Re:Cables by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm done with BB after experiencing their returns process recently. If I really need it today, I check WalMart. If they don't have it, too bad, Amazon will have it here tomorrow for $4.

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    25. Re:Cables by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The trick often works with card readers, USB hubs, and other accessories except printers. Sometimes you can get the cable you need, plus a "free" USB hub, for less than the cost of the cable by itself.

    26. Re:Cables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd think so, but they never include the cables with the printers. Hence, the $50 "damn it, I need a cable" tax.

    27. Re:Cables by Kooonsty · · Score: 1

      I've never actually seen a USB printer come with a cable...

  10. Typical best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everything there is at least 40% over what it costs everywhere else.

    He should have bought it through newegg or amazon, it would save him a few billion.

    1. Re:Typical best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently bought a canon T4i at best buy....checked prices at the store on my phone and couldn't do any better so I walked out camera in hand, $0 premium and I could try before I buy-ed

    2. Re:Typical best buy by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I tried that, the camera I wanted wasnt in stock, no discount on the finger fucked model, got it from amazon for 10 bucks cheaper

    3. Re:Typical best buy by sirwallyc · · Score: 0

      FWIW, Best Buy will price match anything on Amazon if it is sold by Amazon i.e. not a partner store. I have done this a couple of times simply because they had what I wanted and I didn't have to wait. I am not defending Best Buy, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    4. Re:Typical best buy by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      Most of the local chains out here (southern California) will match all internet prices... well besides Overstock and Buy.com apparently. I actually did get Frys to match Overstock for a gaming headset ($40 off) by basically leaving the $800 of PC parts and misc. gear there. Said if Im waiting for stuff, I might as well just go to Newegg, since shipping to my house is next day. Had them stop me and told me they'd cut the price off. Point is, they can do something about the price, sometimes you have to play hardball with them.

    5. Re:Typical best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually did get Frys to match Overstock for a gaming headset ($40 off) by basically leaving the $800 of PC parts and misc. gear there.

      I don't get this, what is it supposed to say?

    6. Re:Typical best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's saying he had to buy $800 worth of stuff just to convince them to give him a $40 discount. I'm not impressed either.

  11. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Full disclosure here: I work on a Geek Squad, one of the few women in the business. Maybe I'm just lucky (large store in NYC, and no, I WON'T say which) but this GS seems a lot better than most of them. The dead weight from the last couple of hiring cycles is long since gone and we've all become a sort of piecewise machine. They also have me selling a fair amount, despite my habit of getting customers cheaper items and discouraging them from certain services and products ("Don't buy an ethernet cable here, don't bother with the restore discs, you can make those yourself and here's how").

    The GS is not the problem. We're hamstrung by SOP for the most part. Left to our own devices we'd be giving much better customer service. But there are Ways Of Doing Things, which must be followed on pain of pain. My supe, bless him, allows us to bend the rules just short of breaking in the interest of customer service, and we get very high customer service ratings for a GS.

    I guess the point is, we're not all bad. And the stupid high school kid in Bumblefuck, MO isn't representative of the entire brand. If you want good service, BE INFORMED. Ask us questions. Don't be afraid of the machines; they're just tools. Make use of us; we in the GS are the one contingent with a triple-digit IQ in the store. You can get much more than the brochures say.

  12. he should replace the geek squad. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    How about renting out the geek squad space to 3rd party computer places at cheap prices then renting there own store front

    1. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because it becomes impossible to ensure even the slightest bit of consistency when using third parties?

      Sure, Geek Squad isn't perfect--full disclosure: I work there--but if you thought the quality was inconsistent or lacking right now, just try coordinating 1000+ local third-party repair outfits. Talk about a nightmare waiting to happen.

    2. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      the best thing for best buy is to have independent techs that don't have sales goals, or quotes. Or that personality test.

      We need real techs not sales men. Staples easy tech is all about selling.

      The best thing for them is to nuke Geek Squad it used to be good then best buy took over and later on they pulled a circuit city and got rid of the good techs.

      IT pro's used to work at best buy for a part time side job to get more cash and the discount.

    3. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I can't speak for all of Geek Squad, but I can assure you, I wasn't handled for my sales ability or for an outgoing personality. I was hired because I'm intelligent and know how to deal with computer issues. Yes, sometimes I end up doing some sales, but if you were to count the number of people I actually sell things to (or even try to sell things to) versus the number that I help--for free--at the counter, just answering questions and fixing minor issues, it's actually a very low ratio.

      I think Geek Squad--much like Best Buy as a whole--gets a much worse rep than is deserved. I've said it before, and I'll say it again--they're far from perfect. But from what I've personally experienced, the majority of people who come to us leave satisfied. The problem is that the minority who aren't satisfied are VERY vocal about it. Moreover--and I could go on for hours with examples, but I'll avoid that here--many of the people who are dissatisfied, in my opinion, are that way due to their own unrealistic expectations.

      Just a few quick examples: someone who has a TV with nothing more than the manufacturer's warranty comes in just weeks before it's about to expire and wants service done. Since we're bound to honor manufacturer's warranties by the manufacturer's terms, this means we have to send the unit out for service, which can potentially take a couple weeks. At this point, quite a few people just go apeshit. They think that any problem with their device, no matter how minor, entitles them to an immediate replacement to a brand new device, no matter how old their other is. Not only that, but when the unit comes back from service, they expect the warranty to magically be extended for another year (or however long it was originally for). When you have to break it to them that this simply isn't the case, they get pissed off, and then go shouting to anyone that will listen how awful Best Buy and Geek Squad are for something that is entirely out of our hands, and entirely standard across the industry.

      Other times, people are just impatient. Computer maintenance takes time, pure and simple, to make sure you're not missing anything. Add on top of that the fact that sometimes you get a backlog of work and can't immediately start service on a person's computer. So, you tell them at check-in that it could take up to a week, and that you will give them a call just as soon as it's finished. So they call back the next day, asking if it's done. And then the next day, asking if it's done, and so on and so forth. When you try to explain to them what you're doing and why it's taking so long, suddenly everyone becomes the most important person in the world. "But I'm a student! I need it for class!" "But I need my computer for my business!" "But I have important emails to respond to!" People just don't seem to understand that EVERYONE thinks they're important, and we can't prioritize service based on how highly you think of yourself. If things were truly so important, you'd have a backup computer. Regardless, even if you manage to get the computer back to them in 4 days, versus a quoted 7, they show up all in a huff, complaining about everything taking so long, and proceed to go out and complain to everyone that'll listen how horrible service is. There's simply no winning with people. And God forbid if you need to send a computer to a service center for serious repairs...

      This is pure conjecture on my part, but I'd say the biggest problem for Geek Squad does not necessarily come from the quality of the actual work done, but from the customer service aspect of the interactions. People simply hate being told something will take time, or that something is not covered (no, we won't send your device out just because you're getting near the end of your warranty if it shows absolutely no signs of malfunctioning). Unfortunately, I have no idea what anyone could do to fix that problem.

    4. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Kergan · · Score: 2

      Based on your anecdotes, I'd argue that Best Buy is under-delivering on service in every possible manner.

      For in-warranty defects, it's becoming fairly common to replace defective devices with new or refurbished ones when the warranty still applies, and to extend a 1-year warranty or longer from that day onward. If you turn in an iPad with a defective screen or to replace its battery, for instance, Apple will hand you a refurbished iPad -- not the one you brought in. As recently as a few months ago, they replaced iPods with entirely new ones. In my experience, kitchen appliance and vacuum cleaner vendors do the same exact thing, so I'm hardly cherry picking.

      As for how you service an actual repair, my 2007 laptop would no longer turn on recently. I brought it to the local store down my street.

      It's not a big store chain: three stores in three cities that are an hour or two apart from each other. I was not one of their customers, either. I was just another guy walking in, who bought a laptop in a different country, and needed it repaired ASAP.

      They took it in for a diagnostic and a quote. This meant shipping the laptop to a nearby city -- and shipping it back free of charge if I refused the quote.

      I got a quote by email the next morning. Without my laptop to read emails (fail!), I only discovered this when I called in for an update the follow-up day.

      They needed to replace the laptop's top case (the keyboard/trackpad part). I highlighted that I needed a qwerty keyboard rather than the local azerty flavor. They understandably had none in stock; ETA one week as a result.

      Understanding it was my work laptop, they immediately offered me one of their (free) replacement laptops until mine got repaired -- a 13" MacBook Air, no less. My tools and data were on my own device, so I declined, but their offer left me with an absolutely delightful impression.

      They received the top case on the next day -- much faster than expected. The laptop was waiting for me at their store the following morning. The new top case came with a 1-year warranty.

      Incidentally, its keyboard had a few defective keys. I brought my laptop back on the spot. It was waiting for me with yet another newly ordered top case the next afternoon -- free of charge.

      In a more typical situation for them I'd likely have gotten a next-day repair, including the round trip to the city where they're stocked in spare parts. Which qualifies as impeccable service.

      Not all companies deliver service like this, but they should strive to. It also leads me to suggest that the only acceptable reason for making a customer wait for a whole week nowadays is if you're waiting for parts coming from the other end of the world. Anything else has understaffed and poor logistics written all over it.

    5. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      The reason I'll never recommend Geek Squad or Best Buy, or shop there, stems from a series of news articles I read (possibly in Wired? Or maybe local news) a couple years back. They took a number of computers, created various stupid easy faults in them (unplugging the power cable from the motherboard, pulling an IDE cable, nothing that should have taken more than half an hour tops to find and fix) and took them to various Best Buy locations to have them repaired. In almost every situation, the Geek Squad rep told them that the computer was hopelessly broken and they needed to buy an entire new computer.

      Oh, then there's the friend of mine who applied for a job with Geek Squad while studying in college -- and when he went to interview, they actually said they couldn't give him the job because he was "over qualified". Which, I know, makes no goddamn sense. But that's what he was told.

      I'm sure there are some good stores, but from what I've seen that seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

    6. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Ag0n · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the exhorbitant prices. I realize it takes some training to deal with computer hardware, but these people had brought their laptop in for a "tune up" I'm guessing GS runs a few different automated tools and then gives it back. They were charged $500 for this "service". I'm guessing you could go to any local shop and pay under $100 for the same services. There's almost no labor involved in it, you just plug it in and run your diagnostics/scripts.They also told the people that they would need to replace the hard drive within a year...

      On a side note, I was returning a cable modem because they had sold it to me telling me that it would work with my ISP, the only ISP in the area that I am aware of, and yet when I got home and called to register the MAC address. I was told it would not work with the network.

      Odd how Best Buy sold cable modems that were incompatible with the only ISP in my area, on top of that they were only stocking 3 models at the time, none of which worked with my ISPs network.

    7. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you're getting your figures, but they are incorrect. The current price for an "Annual Tune-Up" at Geek Squad is $99.99. There are a number of programs that make it simpler, but there is not one single, all-encompassing script that you run that will do it all for you.

      Now again, I can't speak for all stores, but at my Geek Squad, we make a point to run hardware diagnostics on every non-new computer that comes through our doors. Most of the time, this just adds an extra 4-8 hours to the length of the repair and confirms that the hardware's acting all right. However, there's a very good reason for running it. If someone comes in claiming that their computer is running slow and they want a tune up, and we find out that the hard drive is starting to fail, no amount of tuning up will ever make it go full speed again, and the client is likely to experience serious issues in the near future (see: Google statistics on SMART reporting being the best indicator of impending failure). As such, if the computer will still boot into Windows, but is failing some diagnostics, we tell them so. We let them know that it will run, but it's likely to have a failure in the near future, that they should make sure to back up any important documents, and that it would be best to get a new harddrive.

      Now, getting back to the matter of price, there are some services that I would say are on the steep side--data backups, in particular. But then again, it's not Geek Squad's fault if you've never backed up your data, do not know how to remove your hard drive and set it up in an external enclosure, or (and this is more commonplace than you think) completely unwilling to learn how to do such. In those instances, the price is what it is, and it's all up to the client whether their data is so important that it's worth that price. If it is, that's entirely their own decision; no one's holding a gun to their head.

    8. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by schlachter · · Score: 1

      Tech/IT service is not doomed to fail. Apple and Bose, just to name a few off hand examples, have an excellent track record of repair and customer service. Sounds like a combo of bad process at BB and people expecting a high level of support...not the fast food support equivalent that is the geek squad.

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    9. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 1

      To me, that sounds like exceptional service, which by definition is not typical.

      Besides, it does not sound like we are comparing the same type of issue here. I'm talking about repairs covered under a manufacturer's warranty, and how we fulfill those warranties. If you have an Dell laptop that has an issue covered by MFW, and you go to Dell about it, they'd have you ship the laptop to them, replace the faulty parts, and the whole process would take a few weeks on average. If you have a Dell laptop that you bought at Best Buy that has an issue covered by MFW, and you go to Geek Squad about it, they'd have to ship the laptop off, replace the faulty parts, and the whole process would take a few weeks on average. This is what I'm referring to. We handle manufacturer's warranty repairs according to the terms set forth by the manufacturers. If they want the unit sent in for service to replace just the defective parts, that's what we're obligated to do under their warranty. To expect otherwise sounds unreasonable to me. However, many people expect an immediate replacement of the entire laptop. They're asking the store to personally eat a few hundred dollars to provide an replacement that no one else would do, and then get pissed off when it doesn't happen. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.

      But of course, it all depends on the manufacturer's policy. Some are more generous than others. When we go to enter the information into our service order system, it will either tell us that it needs to be shipped off, or alternatively, that it is unable to be repaired and should instead be exchanged in-store. Most Apple products (including iPads) fall under this latter category, for example. Regardless, though, it's not our decision whether it gets replaced immediately or not, and I think it's rather unfair that so many people lay the blame at Best Buy / Geek Squad's feet for conditions that are set by the manufacturer.

      Sure, it'd be nice if the store could ignore the manufacturer's policies and immediately exchange everything out for shiny, new units, and I'm sure that'd make the customers very happy (most of them...some are simply never happy), but that would be bad for business in the long run, because how long could you continue to take a hit on those items before your cash flow turns negative?

      [And just for an explanation of how such a transaction would be processed: The store would do an out-of-coverage exchange, returning the original cost of the laptop. The store would then ring a new sale, applying the refunded cost to the new product, and taking a hit on any adjustments necessary to make sure the new item doesn't exceed the refunded amount. The old laptop is then considered "store stock," and would be sent out for repairs, which the manufacturer may not compensate the store for. Once returned, the unit would have to be sold "refurbished," meaning that they couldn't even recoup their original costs and come out even. This process is done occasionally, but once you understand that it's a losing game, it should be pretty obvious why it cannot be done for every single broken/defective item.]

    10. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you like your job and think you're doing a good job at it. It's commendable, and it does seem like it's a good mass retail establishment to work at.

      But here's the problem.

      I think Geek Squad--much like Best Buy as a whole--gets a much worse rep than is deserved. I've said it before, and I'll say it again--they're far from perfect. But from what I've personally experienced, the majority of people who come to us leave satisfied.

      Just because they're satisfied does not mean they got good, or even non-destructive, advise. You're a retail sales worker, and while you're likely going to be a cut above the people behind the electronic's cabinet at Walmart, it's not a foregone conclusion for even a fraction of the people in your position.

      So when Fry's prices are usually less than half what Best Buy's are for common low-end items, and cheaper for identical or superior high-end items, why go to Best Buy? Fry's has significantly more selection as well, and their employees are typically more professional and always better dressed.

      And yet, when the common person is usually told at BB that it'll cost $300+ to fix their $500 computer, then they have the service done and it results in all their files being deleted, it's somehow surprising that people dislike Best Buy, and has a bad reputation with everyone from your grandma to your geeky brother-in-law who works as a programmer?

      There is nothing that Best Buy does which is even comparable in value to what I've seen elsewhere in the market. Even a local shop known for over-charging on hardware is going to provide more value for simple OEM parts, in my experience.

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    11. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 1

      See my other comment regarding manufacturer's warranties. When something is only covered under them, we are bound by the manufacturer's terms. I don't think I've personally handled anything from Bose, but I've handled numerous cases with Apple products. For iPods (Touch, Nano, Classic, whatever) and iPads, those items are exchanged immediately in-store for identical, brand-new items.

      People just get unrightfully pissed off when the manufacturer's warranty obligates us to send the unit off to the service center. Everyone expects something brand new, and right this second, and there's absolutely no justification for expecting that. If they have an issue with MFW policies, they should take it up with the manufacturer, not the poor guy/girl at the counter who has zero control over it, nor even the company as a whole that sells the products but has no control over the policies.

      People just like being pissed off at Best Buy. They like to bring up things like extended warranties and Monster cables as examples of their awfulness, completely disregarding the fact that these sort of things happen EVERYWHERE. I just dropped an obscene amount of money at Newegg for computer components, and what did they do? They tried to sell me extended warranties (at checkout and in subsequent emails), tried to sell me accessories, etc. And for items like Monster cables, plenty of other retailers / e-tailers carry them...so why is it just Best Buy that's evil for carrying them? And why do people ignore the fact that you actually can find more reasonably-priced cables in the store? Best Buy has simply become the popular whipping boy of the retail consumer electronics industry. There isn't anything about it that stands out in particular, other than its size in the market. The practices and products are otherwise unremarkable compared to their competitors.

    12. Re:he should replace the geek squad. by Latentius · · Score: 1

      I personally find that statement INCREDIBLY offensive.

      What you have at stores like Wal-Mart is a checkout clerk. You're lucky if he even has a clue what's in the electronics department, let alone any information about any of it. Best Buy salespeople...they typically don't have the deepest knowledge about all the items, but at least they have a good understanding of what they do have, and how the various models/variations compare to one another. As for Geek Squad, you'll find the occasional person who doesn't have as much knowledge, but in general, all the ones I've ever met were quite competent. Not every agent will have answers for every question, but if we don't, we usually know who would, or at least how to find out that information to help a customer.

      I always try to be upfront and honest with customers. It's my personal belief that if you give a person honest advice, they'll respect you for it. Just yesterday, a lady came in with a harddrive giving the "click of death." I outright told her that it was a serious issue, gave her our prices for data recovery services, explained that it would take time and there's a possibility that the price would go up if the Level 1 recovery didn't work, and advised her to shop around and compare prices and repair time frames with other companies. Sometimes, we'll refer customers to the PC repair shop down the road, if the issue is something that's outside of warranty and we'd have to send to a service center for, but could possibly be handled much quicker by someone with a local stock of parts. The people I've worked with all seem to genuinely care about helping the customers to get the best, quickest service, even if it can't be provided by us.

      As for Fry's...some of your points are completely valid (prices of accessories), but most seem incredibly subjective (attitude, clothing). Besides, they don't exist everywhere. Kinda hard to go to one when the nearest is 300 miles away.

      And as for your last example, that's just a load of BS, plain and simple. When we send a unit off, we don't know exactly what it's going to cost, but we have an idea. If the potential cost represents a significant portion of the original purchase cost, we will warn the customer that it might be wiser to consider a new PC instead (but of course, people yell at us for doing that and trying to push sales...just can't win). Also, when things get sent off outside of warranty like that (where you'd be on the hook for repair costs), the service center generates an estimate for the cost of parts + labor, and they must call the client for approval. Seriously, no work can be done without approval. No one's forcing you to actually pay for the service. You're perfectly free to decline, and they'll ship the unit back as-is, and only ask for shipping charges (~$35 for a laptop). All of this is explained at check-in. More than that, it is also standard operating policy to ask the customer if they keep a backup of their user data, because there is the possibility that it could be lost, and to offer backup services if necessary. The customer must sign a waiver stating that they refuse data backup and are willing to accept the potential loss of any data. If it comes back with a new hard drive and all your data is gone, you have no one to be pissed off at but yourself. It's not Best Buy / Geek Squad's fault you never backed up your own data. It's not Best Buy / Geek Squad's fault you didn't want US to back up your data. If the costs for repair are high, is is not Best Buy / Geek Squad's fault that you approved the repair costs.

      Do you see where I'm going with this? There's no justifiable reason to be pissed off at Geek Squad if the repair cost is a significant portion of the original price, nor is there justifiable reason to be pissed off if there is data loss. The procedures, prices, and risks are all explained at check-in, if only you listen. All prices are subject to client approval. Data loss is explained and you must sign a waiver (or, alternatively

  13. All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Kwirl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This actually is very interesting. I don't know what the plan is for this, but i do know that being beholden to shareholders has forced many companies to make business decisions that were not very prudent in the long term.

    by going private, this would allow Best Buy to alter their current strategy and become more competitive in the electronics marketplace.

    no one is going to invest 8.5 billion dollars for something like this without a solid plan. i can think of dozens of ways to improve their bottom line, and i'm sure that people more experienced than i could think of hundreds. what best buy has at the moment is a huge chain (nationwide?) of retail locations that their local demographic typically depend upon for their electronics needs. however, with amazon and probably newegg biting hard into their overhead, this might be part of a strategy to expand their online presence. this would be a move that the shareholders would never agree to, as it would involve short term loss for long term presence - but as a private entity beholden to none, they could make a mint by simply offering electronics online or 'ship to store' at competitive prices by investing in distribution and warehousing facilities

    1. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by phriedom · · Score: 2

      I'm excited to see what this guy might do with the company if he doesn't have to answer to shareholders, but I disagree that his willingness to gamble $8.5 billion means anything as to the quality of the plan. Cerberus took Chrysler private and were still losing money when they sold it to Fiat. Smart people valued Zynga at $7.5 billion not too long ago and it is worth $2.23 billion today and I don't think it will stop falling soon. The fact that this guy thinks he can make it worth more than $8.5 billion just means he has a lot of confidence.

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    2. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you really looked at Chrysler and Zynga as a company? I know for one, i would never want to buy a car from Chrysler. And Zynga, well I seen their failure coming when they said they were willing to just copy everyone else without adding any originality to their games.

      You can't compare two fairly bad companies to Best Buy. No matter how much you hate Best Buy for whatever reason.

      The reason people share this animosity toward Best Buy is because we've been spoiled by the likes of online retailers. I for one am guilty of this (very guilty).
      But the fact of the matter is that, they can very much gain an edge over online retailers in every aspect. They just need to start thinking outside the box a little more.

      And the first place to start is (like the OP said) online.

    3. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their plan will be to implant monitoring/control devices in all the workers. They'll do 12 hours on 12 hours off like hospital workers do, but they'll be salary with 5% commission on extras sold. The monitoring/control devices will ensure that they don't take any breaks that last a millisecond longer than what is legally mandated, and that they are trying to push all the magazine/candy/cables/warranty/replacement plans/insurance/etc for each customer at the checkout. Also they're raising their prices another 20% to cover costs..this will not be a problem because most people obviously do not have or use the Internet. Also, employees will be forbidden to order anything online or to even speak to any of Best Buy's competitors. Should they leave the company, the monitor/control devices will be removed which will kill the workers. Morale will be at an all time high and if sales numbers keep up with the numbers from 1998 profits will also be at a record high with the new inflated prices. This couldn't possibly be a horrible scam to divest investors of their money.

    4. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      however, with amazon and probably newegg biting hard into their overhead, this might be part of a strategy to expand their online presence.

      The dumbest thing Best Buy could do is expand online and compete even more with Amazon and Newegg.

      What Best Buy has is a lot of retail stores, and they need to find a way to better utilize that real estate. Hiring fewer but smarter people who don't have any sort of "commission" that controls the advice they give customers would be the best thing, because despite online reviews, sometimes you just need to talk to somebody. They also need a lot of computer programming to automate what gets stocked where, so that the retail space is best utilized. This would allow them to make sure they have a TV model in stock, but not 20 units of same model (unless it's just flying off the shelves at that store).

      The next thing would be to stop trying to make the 1000% profit on the "extras", and advertise that Best Buy is the place to get what you need right now. Basically, start with the total price (wholesale plus shipping) of the 50 cables they got in the shipment, divide by 50, add a reasonable 10-15% markup, and set that as the price. Then show in ads what something would cost from them and from "online" with overnight shipping. The problem they have is that right now, they'd lose the comparison ($23 for a 10' HDMI cable overnight from Newegg, $35 for the cheapest one Best Buy has in their stores).

      Next, they need to dump agreements they have with manufacturers who sell them "Best Buy-only" SKUs so that comparison shopping and price matching aren't possible. After that, they need to limit the number of models they carry to "best in class" (top 3 at most). That way, they wouldn't have 58 different TVs in the 40-49" range available in store varying in price from $500 to $2,200 (at least that's what their web site claims). It would be tough to do, but since they absolutely can't compete with the "no floor space" of online sellers, they have to cut their number of SKUs somehow.

    5. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can compare the money spent on Chrysler and Zygna to the money they're willing to spend on Best Buy.

    6. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what Best Buy needs to do to have me as a customer:

      1. Have knowledgeable staff, well-trained staff.
      2. Not treat me like a criminal at the door whether I bought something or not. Get rid of those yellow-shirted goons. 9/10 of them are nice about the shitty things they want to do to you, but oh that 1...
      3. Be organized. I went there just today for a wireless bluetooth speaker. I knew what brand I wanted and was at Best Buy because I was given a gift card for my birthday. I found the speakers in no less than six different areas, but not the ones I was looking for even though I had checked the availability online. Finally had to ask someone and (see #1 above) he took me around to three or four other employees before someone finally knew the speakers were in the mobile department.
      4. Be a place where I can tell my family to go to get their computer fixed. I can do it all myself, but I'm not local to my family anymore. As they are now I see them as shysters who try to get my family to spend as much as possible while they try to do as little as possible in return.
      5. Actually have some products. I don't know why the popularity of internet stores mean local stores (Target is another offender) don't carry a variety of items or variety within each type of item. They're basically turning themselves into showrooms. "Here is one type of this! If you want to know more, shop online!"

      By the way, my #5 is completely at odds with your idea. The ones I've been to have had so much wasted floor (and vertical) space they coul easily carry all the products they carry and many more. They're going to *lose* my sale if they show me a 55" Samsung and I say "I like this one, but do you have the smaller model and they say "no, sorry, we only carry the best in class."

      B&M stores need to be a place you can go and just buy something. If I'm in your store instead of ordering it online it's because I want to buy it *right now*. The other possibility is I want to see it in person before I order it online - that's still an opportunity for you to sell it to me. (But no, I don't want you to install it for an exorbitant amount.)

    7. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by RubberDogBone · · Score: 2

      BBY is also competing with regional chains like HHGregg, BrandsmartUSA, Microcenter, Frys and others, and the warehouse clubs like Costco and Sams -which also happen to offer a narrow selection of electronics but still manage to do fine with it.

      I am not sure if BBY realizes just how aggressive ALL of these companies are on price, on actually having the items in stock and standing behind the sale.

      My family has recently replaced all the appliances in this house. We did not spend a dime at BBY. We used one of the regionals for white goods, Costco for major electronics, Amazon Prime or Newegg or Monoprice for everything else and Microcenter when waiting for Newegg is too long. There was even an emergency need for a cellphone battery and we went to Radio Shack and got exactly what we needed in like 10 minutes. RS wins on being all over the place, usually in that corner of the stripmall where you tend to avert your eyes.

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    8. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by houghi · · Score: 1

      what best buy has at the moment is a huge chain (nationwide?)

      Best Buy is in other countries too. Not always under the name Best Buy name.

      newegg biting hard into their overhead, this might be part of a strategy to expand their online presence.

      One way to do that is to expand on sites that use their API: https://bbyopen.com/developer.

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    9. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best Buy I see like Blockbuster. One hell of a strong brand, but in serious need of an overhaul. What worked in the late 1990s/early 2000s won't work moving forward. The annual report itself is interesting for what they are trying to do.
      - Expand BestBuy.com to be more competitive with other online retailers
      - BestBuy price match within 30 days of purchase, and no restocking fees within 30 days of purchase.
      - Net loss of $1.2 billion in fiscal 2012 due to a buyout of one of their subdivisions that was only partially owned. (Approximately $0 profit in 2012 otherwise).

      Suggestions for business improvements:
      - Services brings in better margins than Sales. Go ask any auto-dealership about this. Your Geek Squad division is well-known, but has a crappy reputation. You need to work on their reputation and start bundling their Services in with purchases. And when I say bundle, I mean for free. Yes, its going to hurt in the short-term, but long-term you'll build up a loyal customer base and will see huge returns _IF_ done right.
      - Customer service with a smile. Most employees look like they don't care, even when trying to make friendly small talk with them. Retail industry is tough to force this upon, thus it needs to be a company culture you build up.
      - Keep expanding your mobile phone operations with smaller stores/kiosks. Your brand name will win here vs. other independent shops.
      - As everybody on Slashdot has mentioned, stop with the $30 HDMI / USB cables. Update your supply chain to offer your own branded HDMI/USB cables for $10 each. Sell them like crazy thereafter. If Amazon can do it, so can you.
      - Newegg and Amazon have one competitive advantage you don't: User generated content. Reviews on both sites are what drive them to success. Start making your customers user created content a part of your business model. You will never beat such competitors on price alone.

      Other major issues that need improvement:
      - I don't see ANY mention of long-term strategy ... only near-term (1-3 year) thinking.
      - The board of directors needs an overhaul. Get somebody from a financial company, a telecommunications company, a computing company that isn't one of your big suppliers (maybe IBM?), an education institute on there. Preferrably one or two of these folks should be CEOs.
      - Operational improvements. "Trimming the fat" throughout the entire company. There's been some attempts to do so already by outsourcing IT/HR, but that's only the icing on the cake. This one is going to take time and will not be popular, but will keep you competitive. Don't rely solely on your management team for this ... ask your employees who have been around for 2+ years for suggestions and REWARD those who bring forth good ideas, regardless of implemented or not.

    10. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by schlachter · · Score: 1

      Turn the stores into Amazon local distribution centers. Allow customer pick up in store or same day delivery.

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    11. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by phriedom · · Score: 1

      Actually, putting lots of expensive inventory that loses it's value over time in a bunch of stores with a bunch of employees is much more expensive than the Amazon business model. A specialty store for commodity products just doesn't make sense. Best Buy IS a fairly bad business in a shrinking market and I think it is completely fair to compare it to Zynga and Chrysler.

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    12. Re:All Best Buy jokes aside.... by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      By the way, my #5 is completely at odds with your idea. The ones I've been to have had so much wasted floor (and vertical) space they coul easily carry all the products they carry and many more. They're going to *lose* my sale if they show me a 55" Samsung and I say "I like this one, but do you have the smaller model and they say "no, sorry, we only carry the best in class."

      Overall, more efficient use of the space they have is the obvious solution. What I meant was that they should only have the 3 "best" 55" TVs, the 3 "best" 50", etc., where "best" is by some criteria that works for them. In that case, they should have what you want.

  14. He bid way too much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only explanation I have for this is that someone has stock and needs to cash out. Best Buy is a damaged brand with unprofitable store and unwanted products it's not worth $10 a share.

    1. Re:He bid way too much. by Latentius · · Score: 0

      Incorrect, sir. The store actually does make a profit. And, in fact, profits are continuing to grow. The issue for the store is that profits are growing at a much smaller rate than they'd like. It's not like the store is actually losing money (yet), on the whole, but it could certainly turn that way if they don't make some drastic changes.

  15. There is a "Submit Story" link. Please use it. by Randwulf · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there is something you feel feel should be on Slashdot, there is a "Submit Story" link at the bottom of the page. I suggest you use it instead of posting an off topic comment.

  16. Not stupidity, desperation... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I've always considered Best Buy a terrific example to illustrate the quote "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

    It doesn't have to be about fooling anyone though. They can get quite a lot of business just through desperation... sometimes you need a cable right now, and there's Best Buy.

    The problem Best Buy has is that they are starting to stock fewer of those desperation items. I've not been there in years, even when desperate, because it became increasingly unlikely they would have what I was looking for.

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    1. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by arth1 · · Score: 2

      It doesn't have to be about fooling anyone though. They can get quite a lot of business just through desperation... sometimes you need a cable right now, and there's Best Buy.

      The Radio Shack used to be like that, except that they had a reasonable markup of perhaps up to 20% over normal price. Not 200%.
      After they lost the "The", they have gone downhill, and are now completely useless. I ran out of solder, and didn't even try to find that at Best Buy. I figured I'd stop at Radio Shack, and pay a little more than I normally do.
      "Oh, we don't carry that, but we can order it for you." Um. Had I entered the wrong store, or been transported to a weird parallel universe?

      It's sad to say, but I really miss the old TRS, and even CompUSA, Tweeter and CIrcuit City. Because Best Buy and RS are the pits, whether you want computer stuff, generic stuff, or AV stuff.

      The only reason I see to visit a Best Buy is to say "See those pimply faced desperate people in blue shirts? That's who McDonalds didn't want, and where you'll end up if you don't start studying."

    2. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Dead on. And personally, I think it's incredibly stupid of them to drop those "desperation" items.

      Let's be honest here, even my less computer-savvy friends have caught on that buying online not only means you're usually getting it cheaper but also delivered, often at no extra cost. They can shop around for the best item and read user recommendations as well as the best price. And no failing brick&mortar store should call this a bad thing, transparency is one of the big corner stones that free economy relies on (just 'til the internet it was a myth and dream...).

      But ordering online has a mighty drawback: It takes 2-3 days to arrive. What if I need it NOW? Like that router that just failed, the headphones the cord of which my bumbling friend tripped over and broke, or the extra controller for the new console daddy forgot to order and has now two fighting kids at his hands? It can cost 50% more than it does online and people would still buy it, worse, they would buy WHATEVER item you have in stock simply because they don't have the luxury to shop around for the best one available, they need one NOW.

      Nobody is going to get his new fridge there. And not only 'cause it takes a few friends to get it home...

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    3. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by patchmaster · · Score: 1

      Given online prices and quality (if you know the right places to shop) combined with next day delivery in many areas, it's gotten to where you need to be REALLY desperate to pay Best Buy prices for interconnect parts. When they're charging literally 10 to 20 times what it costs to buy an equivalent item online, that instant gratification thing is really costing you.

    4. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yes, I buy everything I can online.

      But sometimes even next day is too slow. Like if I'm going over to a family members house to set up something - if I do not have what I need with me, and they live a good distance away I don't want to go back twice. Thus I am willing to pay even a 200% markup on an item just to have it, for any item less than $50...

      The fact that I can't get a lot of the things I might need at the last moment anymore, is why I finally stopped going to Best Buy... not because the markup is terrible, which it always was.

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    5. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      It's sad to say, but I really miss the old TRS, and even CompUSA, Tweeter and CIrcuit City

      I totally agree, it used to be you had somewhere to go for something that would seem to be common, like soldier or some slightly different computer cable. Now it's much harder to find such store.

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    6. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why "even Tweeter"? For many years, they seemed to be one of the better places to find mid-to-high-end gear, with salesmen who were more knowledgeable (and less likely to hassle you) than average.

      Towards the end, they focused on the high-end-stuff almost exclusively, and that may have been their undoing. But there was a time when they easily were a notch above the various big-box electronics stores and department stores that were around.

    7. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      But ordering online has a mighty drawback: It takes 2-3 days to arrive. What if I need it NOW? Like that router that just failed, the headphones the cord of which my bumbling friend tripped over and broke, or the extra controller for the new console daddy forgot to order and has now two fighting kids at his hands? It can cost 50% more than it does online and people would still buy it, worse, they would buy WHATEVER item you have in stock simply because they don't have the luxury to shop around for the best one available, they need one NOW.

      Well that's your problem, but it doesn't mean there's money in solving it. Desperation items are normally small and far between, if I'm only occasionally buying a forgotten $10 SATA cable for a $1000 machine then your market is really really small. And you must really be desperate, would you really need those headphones right now or will a pair of 0.99$ earplugs get you by until your new ones arrive? Tell the kids to share or nobody gets to play until the controller arrives. And for all that you need inventory, staff and retail space. The last one should really not be underestimated, if you want your store to be central where people can get to it easily then that costs loads of money.

      Besides, there's something about selling yourself as a place of last resort that tends to infect the whole brand. Customers who'd never want to go to there unless they had to tend to show it, and that negativity can easily affect everyone else. Compared to desperation items there's still a lot more money in people that want to talk face to face and see the physical products, their real problem are people that browse at the store, talk to their salesmen but say they'll have to "think about it" then go home and order it online for less. Of course it's perfectly legal but intentionally freeloading I feel is a bit dishonest.

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    8. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      The Radio Shack used to be like that, except that they had a reasonable markup of perhaps up to 20% over normal price. Not 200%. After they lost the "The", they have gone downhill, and are now completely useless. I ran out of solder, and didn't even try to find that at Best Buy. I figured I'd stop at Radio Shack, and pay a little more than I normally do. "Oh, we don't carry that, but we can order it for you." Um. Had I entered the wrong store, or been transported to a weird parallel universe? It's sad to say, but I really miss the old TRS, and even CompUSA, Tweeter and CIrcuit City. Because Best Buy and RS are the pits, whether you want computer stuff, generic stuff, or AV stuff.

      This is why those of us who have a Fry's in our area like it so much – they have the kind of inventory that these other stores used to have, and in most cases their prices aren't even that much higher than the online retailers. For instance, my local Fry's has a whole aisle full of soldering-related supplies: pretty much every different type of solder (standard tin-lead, lead-free, silver-bearing, etc.), lots of different types of soldering and desoldering stations (including some nice offerings from Hakko), heat-shrink tubing, spare tips, and so forth.

      I don't know how they manage to pull it off when other bricks-and-mortar retailers are having so much trouble, but they do.

    9. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2

      The Radio Shack used to be like that ... After they lost the "The", they have gone downhill,
       
      In the interest of accuracy, the T stood for Tandy, not The.
       
      Tandy Radio Shack (hence TRS-80, etc).
       
      Radio Shack was a division of the Tandy Leather Company.

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    10. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      This is why those of us who have a Fry's in our area like it so much – they have the kind of inventory that these other stores used to have, and in most cases their prices aren't even that much higher than the online retailers. For instance, my local Fry's has a whole aisle full of soldering-related supplies: pretty much every different type of solder (standard tin-lead, lead-free, silver-bearing, etc.), lots of different types of soldering and desoldering stations (including some nice offerings from Hakko), heat-shrink tubing, spare tips, and so forth.

      Fry's also has some basic cables for regular prices (6' HDMI with all the bells and whistles for $5, cheaper than a non-5-cent cable is on Amazon).

    11. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by shentino · · Score: 1

      You could always do what I do, keep spares in the closet.

      Several months ago on a walmart trip I picked up four optical mice, plugged one in, and stashed the other three in the closet.

      Recently, it broke and I had to shitcan it.

      The spares turned a one day shopping trip into a ten minute closet rummage.

    12. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Are you on the west coast? Or outside of the USA? That's the only reason I can think you wouldn't be able to get solder at a Radio Shack...or maybe one of those ones on a street corner in a major city...from Pennsylvania and Ohio to North Carolina to Rhode Island, I've never seen a Radio Shack without solder, some breadboards, and at least one of those sets of component drawers. And lately they seem to actually be getting _better_ -- every one I've gone to in the past couple months has had Arduinos and shields and some basic hobby kits.

    13. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be great to hang out with.

    14. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      In the interest of accuracy, the T stood for Tandy, not The.

      I stand corrected.
      (I still remember it as The Radio Shack, though, including a radio jingle going through my head - perhaps there was an interrim period where they changed the T from "Tandy" to "The"?)

    15. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Are you on the west coast? Or outside of the USA? That's the only reason I can think you wouldn't be able to get solder at a Radio Shack...or maybe one of those ones on a street corner in a major city...from Pennsylvania and Ohio to North Carolina to Rhode Island, I've never seen a Radio Shack without solder, some breadboards, and at least one of those sets of component drawers.

      Rural New England here. The local shack seems to be all about cheap Chinese iPod docks and cell phones.
      And I did lie a bit - they DID have solder, but only the ultra-thick mostly-rosin stuff that's all great for fixing the sink or a battery, but not so much for resoldering USB headers on a motherboard...

    16. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't say that they should just stock those "desperation" items and drop the rest. I just say that dropping them is stupid.

      We're talking about items that are neither big nor expensive. Those items tend to be cheap and can be sold at ludicrous markups, 300% and more, just because you KNOW that people need it NOW and don't care if that 20 dollar router costs them 50 if their network is down without it, and stocking them requires anything but a lot of space. Routers, cables, headphones, controllers... nothing even close to "big" and none more expensive than 20 bucks wholesale. Stock 20-30 each and you're good

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    17. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's kinda tedious to keep spares for your whole network. Especially if there's a shop around the corner where I know I'll get it. Sure, it will cost a bit more, but do I care about 20 bucks?

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    18. Re:Not stupidity, desperation... by wintered · · Score: 1

      It's simple.

      1. Order it online.
      2. While waiting walk into a store and buy at insane price
      3. Fun
      4. Receive online order
      5. Return store purchase saying you don't want it anymore.
      6. Profit.

  17. Re:The next circuit city. by Khyber · · Score: 0

    "Make use of us; we in the GS are the one contingent with a triple-digit IQ in the store"

    BZZZZZT. Were that the case I'd have not been the lead repair specialist for Geek Squad fuckups at Solectron in Memphis.

    The music gear section bypassed you in knowledge. They could at least say why I wanted a ribbon mic versus condenser mic. Your idiots told me I had to give them my laptop so they could install drivers for my LCD to be replaced (we haven't needed drivers since 1998 for a plug and play monitor with EDID. This was 2000 fucking 9.)

    Give me a fucking break.

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  18. He is a job creator by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Redundant

    They call them "job creators".

    Which is accurate.

    You may not like how he comes by his money, or be jealous at how easily he can raise billions of dollars.

    But the simple truth is that without someone buying it, Best Buy and all the jobs it offers now will go away in a few years. With a fresh multi-billions of dollars, and a good plan those jobs could be around indefinitely.

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    1. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Creating jobs" at Best Buy right now is like hiring people at a buggy whip factory in the 1930s to escape the depression.

      (Never mind the economic absurdity of the whole "job creators" meme in the first place).

    2. Re:He is a job creator by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Jobs are a bit like energy, you can't really "create" them. Either there is a market or there is not. If there is a market, there will be jobs. By the very nature of the market laws. Someone will come and want to fill that market. And to do that he needs to hire people. If he doesn't hire people, then he will not be able to saturate the needs of the market and someone else will try his hand at it, too.

      So please stop praising people who "create" jobs like they're the next coming of the messiah. The only reason they "create" jobs is that creating these jobs and hiring people to fill them is the necessary evil to them on their quest for money. If they could, they'd instantly cut all those employees because essentially they're just costing them money.

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    3. Re:He is a job creator by espiesp · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, because it's feasible to have a country full of nothing but doctors and executives? FFS, SOMEBODY has to scrub the toilet, grow my vegetables, shovel the cow poop, and yes, work retail.

      Thats one of the issues we have in this country today. Everybody thinks that those jobs are below them, so they opt not to work at all and game the welfare system instead because somehow that's less embarrassing and sadly probably is more lucrative...

       

    4. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your comment leads me to infer that you believe:

      - People are not embarrassed to be on welfare
      - People make more money on welfare than on a minimum wage job
      - Either: the few people who somehow "game the welfare system" make it not worthwhile for those who use it as a legitimate safety net
      - Or: most people who are on welfare are gaming the system and riding the gravy train
      - Welfare is cheating you out of your hard-earned money
      - You, yourself, will never need a safety net

    5. Re:He is a job creator by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jobs are a bit like energy, you can't really "create" them.

      I own a business. I can create a job by choosing to hire someone. The job is real; a person would earn money from doing it.

      If jobs could truly not be created there would be a fixed number at all times. That is not so.

      If there is a market, there will be jobs.

      Only if people are willing to enter that market as providers. There is NO market before someone decides there is a possibility of earning money performing some task or offering some service, but it's up to the job creators.

      It's up to job creators to enter a market and to create the jobs.

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    6. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you meant to say was "You didn't build that!"

      *Someone* has to create jobs, they can't be created by no one. That's the flaw in your logic: the market is not an entity that can create jobs by itself. It takes people to recognize the demand and put their money down, to decide to take the risk, to create them. If there is no person who sees that demand, the jobs will not be created. Jobs are not a function of some natural "market" that exists apart from human consciousness. Read this section from Atlas Shrugged. What you are saying goes against what the innocent intelligent girl is saying. There is no possible answer to her question but to admit that you're wrong:

      “‘Mr. Taggart, what is it that makes you so unhappy?’

      “‘Why should you care whether I am or not?’

      “‘Because–well, if you haven’t the right to be happy and proud, who has?’

      “‘That’s what I want to know–who has?’ He turned to her abruptly, the words exploding as if a safety fuse had blown. ‘He didn’t invent iron ore and blast furnaces, did he?’

      “‘Who?’

      “‘Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. *His* Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.’

      “She said, puzzled, ‘But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?’”

    7. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The money is not going to improve the store. The money is going to current shareholders.

      Job creators are people that take a risk and create stuff. You know, places like Intel or Microsoft or IBM or even the corner motorcycle fabricator, those people create stuff and they create jobs.

      Best Buy is as much of a job creator as Goldman Sachs. They are nothing but middleman, creating nothing. If Best Buy or Goldman Sachs were closed tomorrow, all those "jobs" would not "disappear". They would just move to a different retailer (or bank), like Walmart or even distributors like NewEgg.

    8. Re:He is a job creator by nabsltd · · Score: 0

      I own a business. I can create a job by choosing to hire someone. The job is real; a person would earn money from doing it.

      But, unless the labor you get from that person is worth as much or more than what you are paying, you won't "create a job". For example, it's unlikely you'll pay somebody who never has to show up except to collect the paycheck. So, if you don't have more work than your existing employees can handle, you won't ever "create a job".

      Likewise, if you have an existing job that becomes open (employee moves, quits, whatever), hiring a replacement isn't "creating a job".

    9. Re:He is a job creator by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Which is accurate.

      Not really.

      The true job creators are the people who do real work to create real capital and wealth.

      But the simple truth is that without someone buying it, Best Buy and all the jobs it offers now will go away in a few years. With a fresh multi-billions of dollars, and a good plan those jobs could be around indefinitely.

      And if all the 'job creators' just went away, the market would solve the problem. That is what the free market is actually good at. We'd have a rush of new startups... without billionaires backing things we'd have smaller scale specialized appliance shops instead of a single big-box supermarket because that's all a regular person could put together. The more successful ones will absorb or destroy the less successful ones, and eventually we have a new best-buy. (Or not... if the market no longer needs one...)

      Point remains -- Ayn Rand was wrong -- a so-called "job creators" caste isn't actually necessary. There will always be 'job creators'; remove the current crop and a new crop will take its place. Always.

    10. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent examples would have been better served if he said, money is like energy. Behind every unit of GDP is a unit of energy, or to put it another way, behind every dollar is a unit of energy. To create jobs it just has to be tapped, be is nuclear, wind (which comes from the sun) coal or oil (which is the Sun+Time) or solar directly, all of that energy can be turned in to product which is tradable as money. There are only as many jobs as there are units of value in circulation and being actively tapped. They can't be created, only tapped.

    11. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I own a business. I can create a job by choosing to hire someone. The job is real; a person would earn money from doing it.

      Right - but if the market for what your employee creates is limited by demand (e.g. in a recession) then you will cause someone else to lose their job.

      If a village has a fixed demand for 20 pies per day and one employee can make 10 pies per day then the village will be able to support two pie making employees - and, once bankruptcies are accounted for, "choosing to hire" a third pie maker will simply result in one of the three pie makers losing their job.

    12. Re:He is a job creator by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Shorter version: customers (i.e. demand) and entrepreneurs create jobs. Not billionaires. There's nothing Larry Ellison does for $220 million a year that he wouldn't do for $2.2 million a year.

    13. Re:He is a job creator by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That's the flaw in your logic: the market is not an entity that can create jobs by itself. It takes people to recognize the demand and put their money down, to decide to take the risk, to create them.

      The flaw in your storyline: there's nothing those people do for millions a year that they wouldn't do for a six figure salary. Absolutely nothing whatsoever.

      Read this section from Atlas Shitragged

      About you read up on how Rand took Social Security and Medicare instead of a shit novel attempting to give people a justification for being self-centered assholes?

    14. Re:He is a job creator by shentino · · Score: 2

      Welfare as a safety net is wonderful. I use it myself because I'm autistic, and it's a damned good relief not to have to bust my brains looking for a job that simply isn't there.

      Nobody wants to hire me because I'm a lunatic with no social graces, and I was born that way.

      To imply that I deserve to fall by the wayside is to imply that we subscribe to darwinian socialism of survival of the fittest.

    15. Re:He is a job creator by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      People are not embarrassed to be on welfare - Sadly, some are not.
      People make more money on welfare than on a minimum wage job - Depends on their situation, but it's entirely possible. It generally takes at least one minor involved to make this true though.
      Or: most people who are on welfare are gaming the system and riding the gravy train - Doesn't need to reach 'most' in order for massive amounts of fraud to occur. See the article about something like 1.5k false rebates submitted to the IRS. It's not that everyone cheats, is that those who DO cheat generally do so massively. Still, fraud rates have been dropping for years with effective auditing/enforcement.
      Welfare is cheating you out of your hard-earned money - I'd rather see my money spent more effectively, yes, but it's not strictly 'theft'. I try to be pound-wise by thinking that spending MORE, in the right spots, can ultimately save me money - such as more money for schools(where appropriate) can mean less expense for welfare. Though you gotta prevent it from being spent on more administrators, as opposed to books & teachers.

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    16. Re:He is a job creator by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      You do seem to be a job creator. It's a bit of a shame though that we don't have an opposing word for the kind of people who downsize companies, cut benefits, and out-source jobs. Somehow, they still seem to get called job creators, and end up grouped in with passionate guys like you

    17. Re:He is a job creator by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Clearly, you've never heard of "Growth."

      When "growth" occurs, you end up with more work than your existing employees can effectively handle, thus you add a headcount to handle the additional work. This additional person is then paid money as compensation for their time and effort towards the common goals and accomplishments of the business.

      How is that not creating a job?

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    18. Re:He is a job creator by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing via the belief that the entirety of human existence is a zero-sum game? Otherwise, dunno...

    19. Re:He is a job creator by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Either there is a market or there is not. If there is a market, there will be jobs.

      This is very true. The question is, will the market be regulated out of existence or not?

    20. Re:He is a job creator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't actually refute the parent.

      He didn't say that you couldn't come in and create a business and "create" a job. What he was saying is that there is nothing special about you. That jobs will get created whether a billionaire is there to create them, or a regular Joe with a decent business sense and a decent loan.

      If there is a demand for something then someone will succeed in filling that demand. End of story. There is nothing special about being a "job creator" you just have a different place in the market than another person.

      At least that's what I think he was trying to say. We don't need people making billions of dollars to sweep in and "create jobs" for us poor peons. They have no magical powers. They do no great service that could not be done by someone without all the special tax rules, handouts, and back alley dealing.

    21. Re:He is a job creator by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Shorter version: customers (i.e. demand) and entrepreneurs create jobs. Not billionaires. There's nothing Larry Ellison does for $220 million a year that he wouldn't do for $2.2 million a year.

      I don't get your point....?

      Are you saying someone should set an artificial limit on how much one can make...that Larry can't make over $2.2 Million...that's it..top allowed salary in the US?

      Exactly who makes that choice? What gives that person/state/govt official the right to do that? Where is that in the Constitution?

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    22. Re:He is a job creator by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

      Being as I'm coming from experience on this, your statements are a bit absurd.

      - People are not embarrassed to be on welfare

      Um, many people are. Some people are embarrassed to collect unemployment insurance, though they're the extreme. At least for many men I know, it's embarrassing in the same way that it's embarrassing to "let" their wives mow the lawn: it's their job to do it, and it makes them uncomfortable.

      - People make more money on welfare than on a minimum wage job

      I don't know what minimum wage is where you're at, but it's still $5.15 in Wyoming. For a single person with a single child, it is absolutely easier to make more than you would working multiple fast food jobs by collecting from misc. federal and state welfare programs for food, housing, etc.

      For instance, I know of a single mother of two who is able to make her rent in a 2-bedroom apartment, buy food exclusively from healthfood/organic stores (think: Trader Joe's, but more expensive), own a working vehicle, and take semi-regular trips to visit friends and family. She hasn't had a job since at least 2004, but her children get better healthcare than many working people I know. (She's also disenfranchised from her family.)

      California's minimum wage is more than I made in a 'professional' non-helpdesk IT job 7 years ago. Not everywhere in the country works on the same wage scales.

      - Either: the few people who somehow "game the welfare system" make it not worthwhile for those who use it as a legitimate safety net
      - Or: most people who are on welfare are gaming the system and riding the gravy train

      Yeah, it's a full-time job to game the system. The safety net is set so low, however, that by the time you actually need it, it's not going to be all that effective at catching you as you fall. It's set that low due to all the people who intentionally climb to the top floor to repeatedly jump off.

      - Welfare is cheating you out of your hard-earned money

      I don't know about that, but I do know that the single woman I spoke of earlier is cheating the system through the 'free' money.

      - You, yourself, will never need a safety net

      Bold words. I've needed one (several times), and for several weeks attempted to get it. By the time I 'qualified', I was up to my neck in bills and a day from my first paycheck at the next (temporary, part time) job. Had I not spent so much time dealing with the inane bureaucratic hoops I had to jump through to get the welfare checks (incl. the measly 'unemployment insurance' check), I'd have probably found another job sooner.

      I've also been 'unemployed' long-term. More than 6 months. There comes a point (about 3 months in, if you haven't got much for savings) where you've either got to commit to gaming the system full time or "make ends meet" in some other way, because an empty fridge and overdue utility bills just don't cut it. This means several part time jobs amounting to over 50 hour work weeks, taking full part in your local barter economy, and yes, even illegal activities like taking wild game out of season (for many).

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    23. Re:He is a job creator by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I don't get your point....?

      So you threw an irrelevant strawman up and then claimed the constitution doesn't support it?

    24. Re:He is a job creator by chaotixx · · Score: 1

      People like to toss around the "W" word, and it has a bit of a stigma attached to it, so I don't like using it. I would guess that you're actually being assisted by Social Security disability benefits. Is that correct?

    25. Re:He is a job creator by shentino · · Score: 1

      That is almost correct, as I receive SSI. I would have received SSDI or whatever if I had worked long enough first. I associate it with welfare because it is remarkably similiar in effect and principle, just from the treasury of a different level of government.

    26. Re:He is a job creator by shentino · · Score: 1

      Just let the free market sort it out.

      Labor is a commodity just like anything else, and should be treated accordingly.

      If those jobs are undesirable, well, so what? If you need someone badly enough to do them instead of another job or mooch off welfare, pay more to attract them. If you can't get a cow crap shoveler for cheap enough, maybe you should rethink how badly you need one.

      It's all about supply and demand.

      As long as people aren't committing perjury on their welfare applications, they should be free to do whatever suits them. It's the market's job to send pricing signals about how badly things are needed.

    27. Re:He is a job creator by shugah · · Score: 1

      He may HAVE BEEN a job creator, but that will end with the leveraged buyout. The vast majority of LBOs are immediately followed by massive down sizing and a fire sale of assets to raise money to service the new debt.

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    28. Re:He is a job creator by dywolf · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between a safety net and welfare as it exists is many cities or neighborhoods in our country.
      Some people actually treat it like one and get off it in time.

      But you cannot deny there are those who live off it rather than get a job of any kind when they are more than capable of doing so. I call those people people lazy. And I say open up the borders. Let anyone in who wants to come in. I don't have a problem with that. But for every person that comes in because they want to be a citizen, we kick out one of the lazy bums.

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    29. Re:He is a job creator by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      I can create a job by choosing to hire someone.

      Except you don't really "choose" to hire someone. You either think you need to grow your business or you don't. If you do, then you need to hire. It's not a choice between hiring a person and hiring a klingon (which would be a real choice). It's either hiring a person or forfeiting potential money you could be making, not a choice at all 99% of the time.

      The words "job creator" are bullshit marketing speech for "rich people" that were focus-tested and found to have a better response than the latter.

    30. Re:He is a job creator by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The point is simply that if Larry Ellison doesn't get $200 million per year, the society won't suddenly collapse overnight.

    31. Re:He is a job creator by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What I mean to say is that if there is a market opportunity, someone will come and fill it. If he finds people willing to work for a wage lower than their gain for him, he will hire. If he cannot find such people but others consider the market big enough for more than one supplier, they will compete with him.

      It does not matter whether you "create" that job, whether someone else does, or whether someone comes along and opens a competing store. If there is enough work for three people, three people will have a job, one way or another. Either as three competitors or as one employer with two employees.

      What I meant with you cannot "create" jobs is that you cannot magically change the laws of the market by fiat. You cannot simply hire three people if there is not enough work for them. Or if you can (or could) you probably won't do it for monetary reasons. If there is work for ten people, ten people will have a job. If there is only enough work for three, you can't simply hire seven more and create jobs for them.

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    32. Re:He is a job creator by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Depends, does it cut into the revenue of someone who bought a sufficient number of politicians?

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    33. Re:He is a job creator by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      The point is simply that if Larry Ellison doesn't get $200 million per year, the society won't suddenly collapse overnight.

      Well my point is...who CARES if Larry Ellison gets $200 million a year or not?

      Shouldn't everyone be more concerned with trying to make more money for themselves?

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    34. Re:He is a job creator by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      I think the point some people are making is that it isn't the business owner that created the job. It is the Growth of the market that created the job. It's more of an economy thing rather than one person deciding to create a job out of thin air.

      If that business does not hire a new person to handle the extra growth, then one of their competitors will, because the market is there. It's a supply and demand thing.

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    35. Re:He is a job creator by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Two businesses compete head-to-head in the same market. One is has better managed expenses, does a better job of marketing, and thus increases market share and hires more people; while the other stays stagnant due to having poor market visibility and unnecessary overhead, and doesn't hire more people.

      Would you content that the better management is creating jobs, where the poorly managed company is not?

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    36. Re:He is a job creator by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      That does sound logical. My only concern with giving all the credit to the people running the company is they don't take the blame when things go bad. When the economy crashes and they have to lay off people, do they then become job destroyers? If you can say the created jobs when expanding, then they must destroy jobs when laying off. It's only fair.

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    37. Re:He is a job creator by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what is the point of saving it if the management is toxic, selling the "extended warranty" matters more to them than customer satisfaction, and the workers are both ignorant and unhappy?

      They've been digging their own grave for years now.

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  19. New Markets by chadruva · · Score: 2

    They should just increase operations in emerging economies, Best Buy in Mexico is doing quite well as far as I know, the Guadalajara store payed off in 1 and a half years when the expected best case scenario was 4 years.

    In the U.S. they should just decrease brick and mortar stores and move to online retailing.

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  20. My plan to save Best Buy by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know what would be a smart plan? Re-cast Best Buy as a "test the electronics" store. You charge $50/hour to rent a testing room where you can try any electronics that you like, and a means to easily order from Amazon on the spot.

    The store doesn't have to have much stock, or as many employees (since they are not moving a lot of stock around). The would of course also get affiliate commissions from Amazon for all equipment purchased.

    The difference is that it would be making money off the way people use Best Buy already...

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    1. Re:My plan to save Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (re. charging for the free Amazon showroom)

      ... making money off the way people use Best Buy already...

      Shhhh! Don't wreck my buying technique!

    2. Re:My plan to save Best Buy by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      You charge $50/hour to rent a testing room where you can try any electronics that you like, and a means to easily order from Amazon on the spot.

      Close. You charge the electronic manufactures to have their items displayed (or charge them more to have them displayed at a premium location). Consumers can come in for free and test anything they want in any way. Maybe still sell a "premium" membership fee that get them access to a special lounge with coffee, but that's just a bonus.

      Set up links to Amazon, newegg, etc-- or directly to the electronics manufacture themselves. Take a cut of each sale, roughly the same amount as Amazon offers anyways in their "referral links".

      Done.

    3. Re:My plan to save Best Buy by ZaskarX · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why this was modded funny, this is a very good idea. You can buy things like RAM and video cards sight unseen but most buyers like to demo laptops, TVs, tablets, speakers, etc prior to purchase. Best Buy could keep a wide variety, zero inventory, and ship to the store next day from distribution centers. Charge customers a $10 fee to walk into the showroom and refund it at time of purchase or charge a yearly membership similar to Costco.

  21. Here's a plan... by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    Pure speculation based on past observations of other companies:
    1) get some money together
    2) get the current management on board (their help is needed to take it private).
    3) given #2, get the stock to drop more (this step is optional but I just noticed #2 can help).
    4) Offer a "premium" over the current price to get shareholders to allow the buyout.
    5) Once private, sell all company assets (real estate) to companies owned by the same private investors - dirt cheap.
    6) Lease said assets back to company on whatever terms will make the next steps work best.
    7) Make some changes to make the company appear better than before
    8) Issue new shares to the public to recover the money spent in #4.
    9) Try to sustain it long enough to unload all the shares and keep a paying tenant in the buildings purchased in #5.

    Since it is the founder this is less likely to resemble their idea of a plan. Let's see who gets on board with him.

    1. Re:Here's a plan... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Good plan, except steps 2 and 3 are illegal. Intentionally tanking yoru brand to get the share price down is a good way to get yourself investigated by the FTC. The management of the company is supposed to work in the shareholders best interest. If they are intentionally ruining the value of the company, they will be in pretty deep trouble.

      8 and 9 are probably illegal as well if you are doing it so make the company have fake value in order to execute what is effectively a pump-and-dump scheme and bilk foolish investors into giving you money that you can run away with.

      Granted I am sure companies do this anyhow and get away with it. It is the Stock Market, after all.

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    2. Re:Here's a plan... by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

      #2 get the management to recommend taking the company private? It happens and if there is a premium over the current price it's viewed positively.
      #3 is probably illegal, but companies manipulate their stock prices all the time.
      Good to see you realize #5,6, and 7 are legal since at that point its privately owned.
      #8 is not illegal IPOs happen all the time. Over valued IPOs happen too - see facebook.
      #9 Once public, the management does have some accountability, but they are still bound by lease agreements and contracts made during the private ownership.

  22. If I was a Best Buy shareholder, by ddd0004 · · Score: 1

    I couldn't agree to this fast enough

  23. Re:The next circuit city. by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 1

    I resent your use of Bumblefuck Missouri as a base point.....I was born and raised somewhere pretty accurate to the term "Bumblefuck," and I have a Bachelors from MIT...
      "Bumblefuck" is not an accurate depiction of ANY brand. Its when their superiors start hiring salesman over knowledgeable people and give up everything just to get money.

    Also known as "selling out" in other business areas.

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  24. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with you. Years ago I worked for a contractor who performed the actual warranty laptop repairs for Best Buy. Among the things we saw that the geek squad could not resolve was malware removal and OS reinstalls.

    We had a boneyard and often cannibalized from it, repairing motherboards with heatguns and soldering irons instead of replacing them. Since it was warranty repair, the customer had no guarantee they were getting new parts and more often than not didn't. Customers with intermittent freezes got maybe a dab of heatsink paste and a reseat, no actual troubleshooting. Computers returning 2 or 3 times for the same issue(along with angry notes from the customer) was common. There was no process, no standardized way to acquire parts, oh man. It was a fucking mess...and I doubt that things have changed for the better! Goddamn, I'm glad I have a real job!

    -- Ethanol-fueled

  25. Re:Cables (SATA != Joystick) by toygeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    I went in there, in desperation, looking for a SATA controller. They kid they had on the floor says "oh all the controllers are over here" and took me to the joysticks and game pads.

    That was the last time I went into Best Buy for *anything*. I refuse to walk into that store.

  26. Liquidation by Der+Huhn+Teufel · · Score: 2

    So what are Best Buy's total assets for all their stores? That's a lot of prime retail space in many places, to say nothing of the huge quantity of electronics.

  27. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, as someone that works at the facility that replaced your previous employer, it did some crap-ass work. You wouldn't believe how many laptops we got that were previously repaired by that company that were missing processors, memory, super glued together and worse.

    To address your point about not using new parts, they don't really exist outside of MFG warranty, except for very small amounts that the ODM creates for themselves. Hence remanufactured or re-certified parts.

  28. Re:The next circuit city. by Celarent+Darii · · Score: 1

    I think in general the more you know the people the better the expectations. The problem with most chain stores (or large vendors) is that the personel are always temporary and very litle invested in their product or their relationship with the customer. This is not necessarily the companies fault, but the fact that most view their job as just something to get through summer already means quality will be determined by 'procedures' rather than human contact and trust.

    Kudos to your supervisor for being more of a human being than most chain stores allow. Wish more were like him.

  29. He has more incentive to save his 20% ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    The guy already owns 20% of the company

     
    That just gave him even more incentive to not let his 20% goes down the drain !!
     
    Plan works like this - He goes in and buys up the entire company, with other-people's-money
     
    Then he "restructures" the company, selling off "non-core-subsidiaries", acquires some other companies and merges them into his now "core-operation", and in the process a lot of employees will see themselves being "made redundant" (ie, fired), before the guy turn around and sell off the whole thing (including his initial 20% stake) to some "investment trust", or something like that
     
    He will end up laughing all the way to the bank, and many employees will end up jobless
     
    That's the way it is, and that's the way it will be.
     
    We are living in a different world now.
     
    "Fairness", "Justice" and "Equality" no longer mean anything
     
    So, if you want to succeed, you must think and act like those in the 0.1 percentile
     

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    1. Re:He has more incentive to save his 20% ! by the_arrow · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that the "investment trust" has to do a reorganization since the company is no longer making a profit, so more jobs will be "redundant".

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  30. Going private by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I predict going private is going to be a bit of a fad in the next 5 years, as a means to capture undervalued primary firms and monetize the next boom. There is a shortage of deals as compared to available idle capital. Note 10 year bond rates and trend.

    JJ

  31. Re:The next circuit city. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    "Make use of us; we in the GS are the one contingent with a triple-digit IQ in the store"

    BZZZZZT.

    To be fair, she did say "a" triple-digit IQ. That person is just on FMLA.

  32. Re:The next circuit city. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    ..when their superiors start hiring salesman over knowledgeable people and give up everything just to get short term money. They'd have a lot more money now if they had stuck with the knowledgeable people and payed them well.

  33. Change will occur by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    "Creating jobs" at Best Buy right now is like hiring people at a buggy whip factory in the 1930s to escape the depression.

    Of course Best Buy would not stay as it is. Anyone thinking about buying Best Buy has some kind of plan to try and be profitable, which obviously would be different than what they do now as they are collapsing.

    So YES it is job creation, it's the possibility of long term jobs vs. the reality (that you acknowledge) that without a buyer there is will be no Best Buy at some point.

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    1. Re:Change will occur by necro81 · · Score: 1

      So YES it is job creation, it's the possibility of long term jobs vs. the reality (that you acknowledge) that without a buyer there is will be no Best Buy at some point.

      Well, technically, it isn't job creation unless, ya know, more jobs are created in the process. At the moment it looks a lot more like job status quo - staunch the bleeding. Granted, that's better from a macroeconomic standpoint than letting the company drown in its own incompetence, but unless Best Buy actually starts expanding its workforce, at best it'll be job neutral. As often happens in private takeovers, a lot of jobs get eliminated (failing stores get closed, useless middle management gets axed, etc.), so in the near term it is likely to end up costing jobs.

  34. Re:The next circuit city. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    How'd this post make it to +5? I gotta ask, because it reeks of big city arrogance, especially on the comment that the "small town rubes" don't have a clue.

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  35. No, it's a rational choice. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are willing to work for a good salary or a good hourly rate.

    Drop the hourly rate and the benefits to below living wage, and they have no incentive to work full time, particularly if they can satisfy needs better with the social safety net. Why work if you're still going to bo bankrupt?

    Of course, we then say "well then let's drop the value of the safety net so that it's below the wages that are available."

    But then you risk another rational choice: criminal activity. Why work legally and go bankrupt if you can work in the gray or illegally and survive? That's where spammers and drug dealers come from.

    Most people don't see any particular task as beneath them, but they do see some wage levels as pointless thumb-twirling. You want people to scrub toilets? Pay them an annual wage above the federal poverty level and they'll be happy to. Pay them twice the federal poverty level and they'll whistle while they do it. Pay them at minimum wage or below, and there are very few jobs you can get them to do.

    Yes, this picture is incompatible with our macroeconomic situation. But microactors don't care about macroeconomics. They care about making ends meet and accounting to those to whom they are accountable (creditors, utilities, and dependents first amongst these, not "the system").

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    1. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up. It's the best, simplest treatment I've heard of the current economic situation.

    2. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why work if you're going to bankrupt"

      Self respect

      "Why work legally and go bankrupt if you can work in the gray or illegally and survive?"

      Ethics

    3. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Self respect isn't being a wage slave for robber barons.

      Ethics isn't making you workers work for a few thousand years to make what you do in one.

    4. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how spammers are on the same level as drug dealers.

    5. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah. You can't eat that moral high horse when you get hungry.

    6. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      No! No! You're talking too much sense!

      Look, you have to pay top dollar for top talent... in the financial industry.

      People who educate your kids? Lousy unionized crumbums! Cut their pensions! Cut their pay! What's that you say, top dollar for top talent? That only counts for the overclass.

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    7. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Since when does being illegal make it unethical?

    8. Re:No, it's a rational choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, if I was a drug dealer I'd be *offended.*

  36. P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The only reason they "create" jobs is that creating these jobs and hiring people to fill them is the necessary evil to them on their quest for money.

    A more ignorant statement of why people start businesses, I could not imagine...

    Most businesses are not really started around money, they are started because the owner wants to do something better. That is why I created my own business as a consultant, because I was fed up with how corporate IT did development and I wanted more control over the process of programming.

    And yes I did CREATE that job. Before I started my business, there was no job - now it is a job paying for me and my family to exist.

    I'm sure you think I am scum now that you know I have my own business, but if I cared what other people thought about anything I'd live a gloomy life indeed.

    The thing is, the attitude you exhibit makes me sad because you are the reason the term "wage slave" exists. You have built the cages that keep you trapped in your own pallid existence, with no control over the job you have because you do not understand where they come from.

    Wake up and better yourself man.

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    1. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake up and better yourself man.

      Sure thing, right after you pay-off my mortgage for me.

      I know where jobs "come from". I want to run my own business. But I need $900 per month, every month, to pay the mortgage or me and my family have nowhere to live. Nevermind the bills...

      I cannot guarantee that sort of reliable income until after several years running my own business, so "wage slave" I must be.

    2. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Let me sum up what you just said:

      "God, it's just so hard that I'm not even going to try."

      Other people have done it out of worse circumstance than you. The difference? They didn't have the defeatist attitude from the beginning.

      Start doing after-hours work to build the business up while retaining your current position. When it starts to take off, quit your job you don't like and do your new business full time. It's a hard concept, I know.

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    3. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Owning your own business is not the kind of "job creator" we are talking about.

      Seriously, do you think that people across the country are upset because you started your own one or two man company?

      People are upset because billionaires get to keep making more money while my engineering salary has been eroded by inflation for the past 30 years. And the defense to a billionaire getting a tax break, or a government handout, or other special treatment is that he is a "job creator" that without him I could not survive.

      You are living proof that this is not the case. You don't NEED a billionaire at the top to "make jobs".

      You are not a job creator-- at least not the sense we are talking about.

    4. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by Cerberus7 · · Score: 2

      I think the disconnect you guys are having surrounds your definition of "job creator." SuperKendall seems to define it literally. That is, somebody who owns a business and hires people to do work. Opportunist seems to be following the attempts by certain political types to redefine "super-wealthy sociopathic leach on society" as "job creator," and does not like it.

      I don't think any sane person has a problem with literal "job creators." I think lots of people have problems with "super-wealthy sociopathic leaches on society" who try to paint themselves as "job creators" for the purposes of paying half the tax rate of "the other 98%."

      I think I might've just one today's Buzzword Bingo...

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    5. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      By no means I think you're scum. Well, either that or I consider myself scum for doing pretty much the same, albeit in the IT-Security business. I, too, was fed up with the snakeoil peddlers in "my" field of experience and how they ruin my reputation.

      What I question is that wonderful "power" to create jobs for people. That job was there, and now that I filled it that slot is taken. If I didn't, someone else would have, since there is a market for it. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who saw the need and it's amazing that so few people actually "dare" to take the step outside the safety of their "cage" as you describe it, but so be it.

      I don't consider myself something important now, though, for "creating" that job. It was there, I just took it.

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    6. Re:P.S. you have the attitude of a servant by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Other people have done it out of worse circumstance than you. The difference? They didn't have the defeatist attitude from the beginning. ...and MachineShedFred wins the thread.

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  37. Insanity by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your example is quite literally insane, and the most twisted idea of what a job is I have never seen.

    The fact is I have created the job regardless of what the person does. They still get money from me. The job may go to someone else soon, but the job exists independently of the quality of the one that holds it.

    Likewise, if you have an existing job that becomes open (employee moves, quits, whatever), hiring a replacement isn't "creating a job".

    I cannot help here but brandish the colloquialism DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.

    Hiring a replacement for the SAME FUCKING JOB is not a new job, it's the SAME FUCKING JOB. That someone else created... How can you even use that as an example????

    Nothing brings out epic levels of ignorance like discussion of what jobs really are on Slashdot.

    I award you no points, and may the Flying Spaghetti Monster find something of worth in you to add to the Great Sauce.

    I will respond no more on this topic, you may feel free to type as vigorously and foolishly as you will. I just hope that someday you understand the reality of how jobs are created so that you can benefit rather than be entrapped by the system in which we all live.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Insanity by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      The fact is I have created the job regardless of what the person does. They still get money from me.

      Until you run out of money because you are paying people who don't add any value to your company.

      As an example, IBM could probably afford to pay every unemployed person in the US a living wage to do nothing, but even they would burn through their money pretty quickly doing that, and then all those jobs would disappear, along with all current jobs that IBM has created that were being used to finance their generosity to the unemployed. A "created" job doesn't have to exist forever, but it does have to add value to the company while the job does exist.

    2. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      erm... have you overdosed on obvious pills. of course jobs are only created when there is a need for them

      having said that, there probably isn't as many jobs created overall as superkendall may have been alluding to, taking into account a fairly consistent unemployment rate, new job seekers, retirements, small business liquidation, redundancies due to automation, etc.

      if a new company offers a newly created position to a suitable employee, there is possibly another similar job lost due to the failure of a competitor possibly in the same or a different geographic area (for example).

    3. Re:Insanity by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Since most jobs are created by small business owners, and a huge percentage of small businesses end up failing in the first couple years, that's pretty obvious (to anyone paying attention, anyway).

      As for the "must have value," that's another obvious statement, which the other person probably didn't address because it should have never needed addressing. They're basic business assumptions, and don't need to be explicitly mentioned to have a rational discussion about job creation.

    4. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needed addressing because the poster did not acknowledge that it is, in fact, market forces that create the job. Instead the poster contended that point by saying that he creates the job. Business owners don't just on a whim create a job, they create a job because market forces allow them to, because that job will add value to the company.

    5. Re:Insanity by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      The athlete didn't jump the hurdle on a whim, he jumped it because gravity and inertia allowed him to.

      It's pedantry, and did not need to be acknowledged.

  38. Or...not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sound like you know what you're talking about, but everyone else is saying otherwise.

    He went in with a "high confidence level" letter, not a "we will finance" letter. That means he doesn't have a plan.

    The overwhelming consensus is Best Buy needs to slim down - cut the number of stores and make remaining stores smaller. He wants to grow - more stores, and supersize them all.

    He has no plan (that anyone's seen) on how to "restructure debt" as you put it.

    Shareholders are thought to want >$30 buyout, not $25. To those people saying "but the stock is only trading at $20 right now", look at the recent history. 52 week high is at $28.53. In late 2010 it was pushing $45.

    And really, the rhetoric about getting bailed out by his friends in Congress is getting old. Whether you like it or think it stinks, big banks control the world's finances. If they had gone down, you'd have seen an Italy or a Greece but 20 times bigger. The car companies have SO MUCH in the way of dependencies (not just employees but entire external industries that exist for no other reason than to provide parts for GM) that the ramifications of them going south was thought, quite fairly, to be scary as all hell. Best Buy - ehh, not so much.

    The reason he got ousted was because he was thought to have not reacted appropriately to a scandal in high places. This was very, very recently. Yes, he's got a track record. In these circles, however, there are some things you just don't do. Having an affair isn't one of them. Failing to react when your C-level exec has an affair and gets caught - that's a no-no.

  39. Before you buy, showroom it! by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    When he goes to make his purchase of BBY stock, will he do what BBY customers do and look up the item before buying?

    He's offering $26 a share. I bet Amazon has it for $12, Newegg for $13 and Monoprice for $1.87 in five colors.

    Ah the sweet irony if this could happen. Not only is BBY cornered by arguably better competitors, the competitors even sell the company itself for less.

    Yeah this works best as a joke on a late-night TV monologue.

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  40. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much does GS make where you're at? Where I was working we made $15/hr. and that's VERY little compared to what other companies pay for professional A+ certified workers. I only worked there for two-months because I needed a job fast. I did learn all of the BS that BB does within two-months of working there though.

  41. Hopefully the change actually does something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll ignore the high prices since it's really not that difficult anymore to find reasonable alternatives to Best Buy. But there is one section of their store that we seriously need to get on the ball against.

    The "geek squad". It's not the workers fault, it's the stupid ass companies fault for not requiring training. I've seen people get hired onto the "geek squad" that can barely even use a computer on their own. Majority of my new customers for computer repair come from people that have went to the "geek squad" and got majorly ripped off. People pay hundreds of non-refundable dollars to them just to get one of a couple things: spyware/virus scan, windows reinstalled, or told to buy a new computer. I have to wonder how many people were fooled by the last bit there and threw out a working computer that had problems any reputable computer repair tech could solve in minutes.

    There is also the matter that any reputable computer repair tech should be teaching their customers basic maintenance and upkeep (driver updates, dusting, etc). The most they do toward that end is give you a pamphlet that is full of misconceptions, poor advice, and fear propaganda. If they really cared about repairing a computer that pamphlet would be filled with user maintenance instructions, steps to take to isolate what's causing a problem, or at the very least instruct owners to keep notes on what problems happen and when they happen.

  42. price manipulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice way to bump up the price of the stock, make an announcement, price goes up, cash in on shares, change your mind and voila. Not saying that this is how it's going to happen with BB, I'm just sayin'...

    1. Re:price manipulation? by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      yea, he does hold 20% of BB stock. And you know that's not going to increase in value by itself.

  43. Or...bullshit... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Whether you like it or think it stinks, big banks control the world's finances. If they had gone down, you'd have seen an Italy or a Greece but 20 times bigger.

    Bullshit. It's depositors and the flow of money that matter, not the banks or bankers. If BOA and Citi had gone under and their executives gone to jail, depositors would still have their money and would still be able to get loans from other banks.

    Furthermore, all the bailouts did was make the banks less willing to lend money at reasonable rates, as they sat on every dime in an effort to keep themselves solvent.

    1. Re:Or...bullshit... by shentino · · Score: 1

      The reason businesses fail when they become unsolvent is because having a creditor breathing down your neck weakens your bargaining position and forces you to scuttle your capital just to stay afloat.

      You start taking losses because sinking ships attract sharks.

    2. Re:Or...bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a bank controlling an insignificant portion of the country's flow of money and it goes under, FDIC insurance steps in and generally people are happy.

      If you have a bank controlling a significant portion of the country's flow of money and it goes under, that makes things a lot trickier. Inter-bank lending gets puzzled. Big business relies on steady cash flow/liquidity with notes, etc. A big chunk of that goes away, and it gets tricky.

      Now multiply that by three, or four, or five. The flow of money would've been seriously, seriously disrupted, looking at the size of these banks.

    3. Re:Or...bullshit... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      If you have a bank controlling a significant portion of the country's flow of money and it goes under, that makes things a lot trickier.

      No. The stated reason for the bailout was to "save the economy" and to keep the supply of money floating. But the banks did not use the bailout money to keep money moving, but to save their own asses.

      The bailouts were an utter failure, meant to save banks and bankers. Not the economy. Not depositors.

  44. Re:The next circuit city. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    I don't have any problems with your comment, I just find this hilarious

    Full disclosure here: I work on a Geek Squad, one of the few women in the business

    coming from an AC.

  45. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  46. Re:The next circuit city. by shentino · · Score: 1

    Ever think that maybe she'd get fired if BB found out about her slashdot post?

  47. Re:The next circuit city. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    As I said, the term 'full disclosure' sounds very funny coming from an AC. My point is simple - don't trust everything you see just because it's written down with a pen or with bytes.

  48. Schulze billion dollar equity stake by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    Schulze is putting up a one billion dollar equity stake:

    To complete a deal, Mr. Schulze will likely need investors to contribute $2 billion toward a buyout, according to people familiar with the matter, which combined with his current $1 billion equity stake, would leave him with a funding hole of around $7 billion in debt.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444246904577572842651243850.html

    Schulze is worth an estimated two and a half billion:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Schulze

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  49. Re:The next circuit city. by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 1
    Didn't you know that you're not supposed to buck the new stereotypes? We can't stereotype black folks anymore, but we sure as hell can stereotype poor folks, or, even easier, people from small towns/rural areas.

    Look, it's this simple: if you're born near a city, or move to a city, it means that you are smarter, faster, stronger, more ethical, more connected (that's true), and generally better than small town rubes.

    Now get back on the turnip truck.

  50. Re:No story on the Sikh temple shooting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I shouldn't feed the trolls... and you're AC so you won't see this, BUT:

    Ohhh but what's important here? Best buy? Free software? NASA?

    NEWS FOR NERDS.... Best Buy (tech store), Free software (computer software!?), NASA (space and technology. These are all things "Nerds" want to hear about.

    I thought this was the place for "stuff that matters".

    You're so angry at the world that you don't get that the catchline is a joke. They's saying that "News for Nerds" is *stuff that matters*. If anything, this isn't a general news site. If you want that, go to CNN, MSN, news.google.com, etc. This is a tech-oriented site. The colorado "batman" shooting wasn't even on /. (that I can find...) and that was at a nerdy movie (possible /. tie in) and killed almost twice as many people.

    Get over yourself.

  51. Better yet... by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    Please take it private. Better yet, close it! I'll never darken its doorways again, and you can take that to the bank!

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  52. Re:The next circuit city. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    I guess the point is, we're not all bad. And the stupid high school kid in Bumblefuck, MO isn't representative of the entire brand.

    You've just proven otherwise... Your ignorance is astounding.

    One example of your ignorance is your use of the term "Bumfuck". It's a term which disparages not only folks of small (farming) towns, but also potentially Gays.

    I was born in a small town of Missouri (population 200), now I live in Houston (4th largest city in the USA), and I've lived in other small towns and big cities over the years. As an Elementary school kid in "Bumfuck, MO", I built my own electronics -- I made an LED game of Tetris with only transistors, no ICs. When personal computers came around, I was the first in town to assemble my own. I now know almost everything about computing hardware. I write system level software, build my own compilers for languages I invent myself -- I Debug Machine Level Op Code when I make the Debuggers. I know how to build a hub from scratch -- I can "type" by making and breaking circuits with bare wires on the serial port. I certainly know far more about technology than you even care to -- My eight year old self would probably have bested you in any test of intellect. You're clearly a chauvinist. The environment does not make you stupid, only your ignorance does.

    Furthermore, your big box electronic stores DO NOT EXIST in the places one would consider "Bumfuck"... further proving your ignorance.

    Both large and small towns have pros and cons. In a small town you typically find individuals who necessarily wield a broad spectrum of knowledge within their field of expertise. In larger cities it's been my experience that there are far more specialists with deep but narrowly focused skill sets.

    For instance, I repaired a computer for a friend in Pittsburgh, PA, who had returned from the Geek Squad -- The machine would turn itself on for no reason, but only when connected to her broadband modem. From this description I immediately knew where to look, but the GS was mystified -- As you no doubt are as well. It's an incorrect implementation of the Wake On LAN protocol in the motherboard's integrated NIC. A simple BIOS setting disabled WOL and solved the issue.

    When I lived in a small community on Mars, I found the local computer Gal was on par with my level of experience. We talked computers and geeked out over electronics together -- I helped her fixed a bluray player (GS: "Buy a new one"), and she even repaired my classic Galaga arcade cabinet, FOR FUN. That's service you can't get at any big box electronics store -- Least of all Best Buy's Geek Squad.

    In conclusion, think on this: You'll naturally find far more butt-fucking high school aged individuals in a larger population density.

  53. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    triple digit if you add them up?

  54. Good assessment by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes, I was serious... in relation to more recent stories, they could even host Amazon Lockers there. Instead of ordering from traditional Best Buy and getting it in a week you come in the next day to pick it up.

    Literally, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

    Perhaps I'll go arrange financing of a billion dollars and just start up said stores myself, since everyone else thinks it's such a lark. They won't be laughing in five years when they must PAY to enter my abode... :-)

    Plus I would totally continue the spirit of 200% markup on cables you were desperate to have that day, although I would not push magical properties upon them... just note how handy it would be to buy that cable right now with the TV you just got.

    I'd even post comparable inline prices right next to the cable to let them know exactly what was going on. What are they gonna do, wait a day?

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  55. Re:The next circuit city. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that, in terms of Best Buy at least, good customer service and making money are on opposite ends of the spectrum. You gave examples yourself.

    You might be lucky and have a good crew to work with, I always made sure my people were doing the right thing when I worked there (which was about 14 years ago at this point) but Best Buy always did it's best to pay its employees as little as possible and still actually have employees. This was worse at some stores than it was at others but many of them absolutely love having a minimum wage fool whose only solution to a software problem is a 75$ reprep and solution to hardware issues is to direct them to new computers. For every store that has someone that actually knows how to do their job correctly there are dozens that don't have a clue and don't want one.

    If you really are good at what you do there are probably much better and much higher paying opportunities out there for you even in this economy.

  56. best buy stock price by iplayfast · · Score: 1

    Looking at stockchase it looks like Best Buy is pinging between don't buy and top pick. Their price also has been pinging between 16 and 18 dollars.