Citation? Even if you take Zimmerman's story at face value, it matters not a whit if Martin threw the first punch or not. Because Zimmerman was fucking stalking Martin. Conservatives fall all over themselves to defend gun nuts who shoot trespassers, but turn on a dime and throw a stalking victim under the bus. It's almost like they're total hacks or something....
How much Reagan Kool Aid is necessary to buy that cognitive dissonance? Reagan, who's claimed "wartime service" consisted of acting in movies, was somehow more serious than a man with actual military service who actually ordered an actual raid to free the hostages? And if Reagan had also ordered a military raid and also had the bad luck of running into a sandstorm?
The Reagan Administration was so tough on Iran, it sold the country weapons to fund the Contras.
Wow, that was quite the longwinded Hatorade-induced poutrage. Have you considered using a complaint letter generator? It would save you some time and be just as factually based....
Not Ron Paul either. People can quibble about the genesis of the tea party, but no one can deny that it was quickly co-opted by establishment Republican operatives like Dick Army. Democrats have tried to do the same thing with Occupy.
Yeah but I also saw it "promoted" on MSNBC and CNN. I think you are confusing COVERAGE of a huge mass of people.
Covering instead of promoting? Not when 200 teabaggers holding up "keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs get more press than 200,000 war protesters, they aren't.
Other than the part where Mediamatters, unlike Fox, meticulously documents every assertion they make? Just be honest and admit you hate them because 1) they are effective and 2) they are not raving wingnuts.
You are a Libertarian Loon. Not everyone can afford birth control, which is far far far cheaper than the cost of dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. Which is the central flaw in Loon philosophy - that social services can actually save money as compared to the Libertarian Paradise.
It is a proven fact that government can work and that it can frequently solve problems better than for-profit corporations can
Fixed you Randian framing for you. Case in point: health care. The rest of the industrialized world gets better care for less money with universal health care than Americans do from the murder-by-spreadsheet industry. You don't get to be worth a billion dollars as a insurance CEO by paying out claims.
Whereas engineers are taught the inverse of that, they're taught to collect facts and then come up with an answer based on the facts. He said, 'That's the kind of thought process we need more of in government.' On the stump, that's what I'm trying to convey, that we need more problem solvers in Washington, DC."
Slight problem: if that were the case, he'd be a million light years from the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" Teabaggers.
When you ask a police officer a question they are going to ask you questions in return.
And they have no right to expect an answer from you. First grade civics here.
If you subsequently ignore them or act like an ass things will not go well for you.
Bullshit deflection. As has been pointed out to you - repeatedly - the only proper response to a request for a complaint form is to hand over the complaint form. The only one being an "ass" is the officer, and his apologists.
...like the BART police recently did in preparation for a protest. You could try and use a wifi hotspot and relay the signal to a landline, but I'd be surprised if LEO agencies didn't start jamming wifi as well.
All in the name of fighting terrahrists, of course....
First off it just kinda sucks to get recorded when you are doing work. I think if I came in to your cube/office and setup cameras to record you all day long, you might get a little mad at me and the "if you are doing nothing wrong" argument won't help mollify you.
But cops aren't workers in the next cube. They are armed public servants with many powers and responsibilities that ordinary citizens do not have. Aside from life and death situations, there's also asset forfeiture and the possibility of long term incarceration.
Then there's the fact that given enough recording time, you are going to do something that makes you look bad/stupid/mean/whatever. If I roll camera on you long enough, I can find something taken out of context that won't look good for you. Just how it goes. We are not perfect angels all the time. Enough footage and you'll slip up with something you say or do that you wouldn't want the world to see.
Wut? Your framing seems to be suggesting that people want to tape cops so we can give them speeding tickets if they exceed the speed limit by 5mph. Repeatedly tasering someone for "non compliance" isn't a case of failing to act "like a better angel", it's police brutality.
Finally there's the fact that people recording may not have your best interest in mind, may want to make you look bad, and thus will edit things to try and show you in a bad light.
Good thing that's why both plaintiffs and the defense can verify and/or challenge evidence then. If a suspect sucker punches an officer and that part is "mysteriously" missing from the video, that video will be challenged in a court of law.
Where in other cases it simply does not matter what happened before. In this case, a suspect in a high speed pursuit pulls over and makes a run for it, but is trapped by a wall. So he throws himself down on the ground and spreads his arms out in surrender. First cop to catch up to him....kicks him in the head. A K-9 cop shows up and encourages his german shepherd to bite the still-surrendered suspect on the leg.
It doesn't freaking matter what the suspect did to make the police chase him in the first place. He could have been a cop killer or serial murder - still doesn't give the cops justification to beat a suspect who has surrendered. Guy could have been paralyzed by that kick.
It doesn't matter what happened before this video started - cops
And the loss to taxpayers if 3 million auto parts jobs were lost in cascading bankruptcies? It wasn't just GM about to go under, but their suppliers as well. Suppliers who also provide parts to Ford, Chrysler, and all the foreign car manufacturers with plants in the U.S.
you just chose to dismiss it because he was obviously comparing apples to oranges
FTFY. You want to start talking "honor killings" carried outside the law in Pakistan, we start talking about all the abortion doctors murdered in the United States, and hate crimes that have resulted in grisly deaths (James Bryd, Matthew Sheppard).
You might want to check out your house before you start throwing stones.
That's overstating his actual influence - Paul is like Kucinich in that he's a mostly powerless gadfly. If Paul were in a top leadership position, or in the Senate with its ridiculous holds, he might have some real influence over policy.
Were it not for all the scientists who disagree with the notion of "primarily anthropogenic climate change".
You mean all the scientists in other fields or in the employ of climate change deniers like the Koch brothers? Those scientists?
Now, you can blather and bloviate as much as you want, but that wont change the fact that climate change denialists are acting out of ideology, not rational skepticism.
That the best you could do? Your link doesn't have anything to do with environmentalism - you just Googled for "Bush + Hitler" and posted the first link you clicked on, didn't you?
Common, you can do some better nutpicking than that. Some environmentalist board where one comment out of 150,000 went Godwin on the former president.
Wont change the fact that you are nutpicking, not finding a actual "Bush=Hitler" meme from actual environmentalists.
But you have no basis to know any of these would happen, that would not otherwise happen anyways
Other than the fact that many of them have already happened, or have you missed the last couple years with record numbers of tornadoes? Or areas dependent on water runoff from glaciers facing water shortages as those glaciers rapidly disappear?
And no apparent consideration for possible upsides, like growing food in Siberia, feeding millions that would have otherwise died.
That's assuming that this food will quickly be grown and transported to areas suffering drought or even desertification.
If Cuba is so great, why don't you move there?
If capitalism is the response to everything, why doesn't the United States have the best health care in the world while spending the least amount of money?
We're talking about seeing your face in a crowd in a public setting.
In the age of ubiquitous CCTV cameras and facial recognition software, massive government databases for domestic spying, laws criminalizing protesting under flimsy pretenses, and increasing police state laws and tactics, one year after the death of Bin Laddin and more than 10 years since the last terrorist attack. Don't ignore the forest for the trees. And besides, you are now on the record of wanting to know who people were, merely for showing their face in a public setting.
Whereas before, you could have 20 cops for every single protester (like in Toronto where a squad car was conveniently left parked unattended for hours as a target for vandals). 20 cops could look at your face....and unless you did something to stand out, you would be gone from their short term memory in about....3 seconds.
If you want to hide your face in public then we have a problem. And if you want to be unreasonable about that, then two can play at that game.
Too bad. If someone wearing a mask commits a crime, we already have laws to prosecute said crime. If someone is peaceably wearing a mask for the sake of anonymity or as a political statement, it's none of your damn business what's under the mask.
Bandits cover their faces. Robbers cover their faces. You can either take my word for that or you can find out the hard way.
So tell us about your annual Halloween rampage, you gung-ho condo commando, you.
False. A scheme to prohibit people from generating carbon dioxide would necessarily result in an enormous spy regime. Think of the War On Drugs times ten.
Making shit up. Again.
Replacing coal plants with wind and solar farms will do what, exactly, to infringe on your personal liberty? Replacing highway sprawl with mass transit and high speed rail would result in an "enormous spy regime" how, exactly?
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Citation? Even if you take Zimmerman's story at face value, it matters not a whit if Martin threw the first punch or not. Because Zimmerman was fucking stalking Martin. Conservatives fall all over themselves to defend gun nuts who shoot trespassers, but turn on a dime and throw a stalking victim under the bus. It's almost like they're total hacks or something....
How much Reagan Kool Aid is necessary to buy that cognitive dissonance? Reagan, who's claimed "wartime service" consisted of acting in movies, was somehow more serious than a man with actual military service who actually ordered an actual raid to free the hostages? And if Reagan had also ordered a military raid and also had the bad luck of running into a sandstorm?
The Reagan Administration was so tough on Iran, it sold the country weapons to fund the Contras.
Wow, that was quite the longwinded Hatorade-induced poutrage. Have you considered using a complaint letter generator? It would save you some time and be just as factually based....
Not Ron Paul either. People can quibble about the genesis of the tea party, but no one can deny that it was quickly co-opted by establishment Republican operatives like Dick Army. Democrats have tried to do the same thing with Occupy.
Covering instead of promoting? Not when 200 teabaggers holding up "keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs get more press than 200,000 war protesters, they aren't.
Other than the part where Mediamatters, unlike Fox, meticulously documents every assertion they make? Just be honest and admit you hate them because 1) they are effective and 2) they are not raving wingnuts.
You are a Libertarian Loon. Not everyone can afford birth control, which is far far far cheaper than the cost of dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. Which is the central flaw in Loon philosophy - that social services can actually save money as compared to the Libertarian Paradise.
Fixed you Randian framing for you. Case in point: health care. The rest of the industrialized world gets better care for less money with universal health care than Americans do from the murder-by-spreadsheet industry. You don't get to be worth a billion dollars as a insurance CEO by paying out claims.
Since you're a fan of moranic loaded questions and all....
Slight problem: if that were the case, he'd be a million light years from the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" Teabaggers.
No, you're being an authoritarian tool.
And they have no right to expect an answer from you. First grade civics here.
Bullshit deflection. As has been pointed out to you - repeatedly - the only proper response to a request for a complaint form is to hand over the complaint form. The only one being an "ass" is the officer, and his apologists.
...like the BART police recently did in preparation for a protest. You could try and use a wifi hotspot and relay the signal to a landline, but I'd be surprised if LEO agencies didn't start jamming wifi as well.
All in the name of fighting terrahrists, of course....
Then the taxpayers fire all the people involved, as voters.
The "but the city/company will just make the taxpayers/customers pay for it" has been a rather crappy reason to extend the status quo......
But cops aren't workers in the next cube. They are armed public servants with many powers and responsibilities that ordinary citizens do not have. Aside from life and death situations, there's also asset forfeiture and the possibility of long term incarceration.
Wut? Your framing seems to be suggesting that people want to tape cops so we can give them speeding tickets if they exceed the speed limit by 5mph. Repeatedly tasering someone for "non compliance" isn't a case of failing to act "like a better angel", it's police brutality.
Good thing that's why both plaintiffs and the defense can verify and/or challenge evidence then. If a suspect sucker punches an officer and that part is "mysteriously" missing from the video, that video will be challenged in a court of law.
Where in other cases it simply does not matter what happened before. In this case, a suspect in a high speed pursuit pulls over and makes a run for it, but is trapped by a wall. So he throws himself down on the ground and spreads his arms out in surrender. First cop to catch up to him....kicks him in the head. A K-9 cop shows up and encourages his german shepherd to bite the still-surrendered suspect on the leg.
It doesn't freaking matter what the suspect did to make the police chase him in the first place. He could have been a cop killer or serial murder - still doesn't give the cops justification to beat a suspect who has surrendered. Guy could have been paralyzed by that kick.
It doesn't matter what happened before this video started - cops
Of course we can blame the cop - or was the part of the post stating that the muffler was within legal limits skipped over?
And the loss to taxpayers if 3 million auto parts jobs were lost in cascading bankruptcies? It wasn't just GM about to go under, but their suppliers as well. Suppliers who also provide parts to Ford, Chrysler, and all the foreign car manufacturers with plants in the U.S.
Nope.
FTFY. You want to start talking "honor killings" carried outside the law in Pakistan, we start talking about all the abortion doctors murdered in the United States, and hate crimes that have resulted in grisly deaths (James Bryd, Matthew Sheppard).
You might want to check out your house before you start throwing stones.
Non-response. He's talking legal system, you're talking vigilantes. And those vigilantes aren't violating their Bill of Rights left and right.
So, got any relevant comparisons to make?
but at some point the people have gotta turn it around if they don't want to end up completely like North Korea.
Turn what around?
That's overstating his actual influence - Paul is like Kucinich in that he's a mostly powerless gadfly. If Paul were in a top leadership position, or in the Senate with its ridiculous holds, he might have some real influence over policy.
You mean all the scientists in other fields or in the employ of climate change deniers like the Koch brothers? Those scientists?
Now, you can blather and bloviate as much as you want, but that wont change the fact that climate change denialists are acting out of ideology, not rational skepticism.
That the best you could do? Your link doesn't have anything to do with environmentalism - you just Googled for "Bush + Hitler" and posted the first link you clicked on, didn't you?
Common, you can do some better nutpicking than that. Some environmentalist board where one comment out of 150,000 went Godwin on the former president.
Wont change the fact that you are nutpicking, not finding a actual "Bush=Hitler" meme from actual environmentalists.
Other than the fact that many of them have already happened, or have you missed the last couple years with record numbers of tornadoes? Or areas dependent on water runoff from glaciers facing water shortages as those glaciers rapidly disappear?
That's assuming that this food will quickly be grown and transported to areas suffering drought or even desertification.
If capitalism is the response to everything, why doesn't the United States have the best health care in the world while spending the least amount of money?
In the age of ubiquitous CCTV cameras and facial recognition software, massive government databases for domestic spying, laws criminalizing protesting under flimsy pretenses, and increasing police state laws and tactics, one year after the death of Bin Laddin and more than 10 years since the last terrorist attack. Don't ignore the forest for the trees. And besides, you are now on the record of wanting to know who people were, merely for showing their face in a public setting.
Whereas before, you could have 20 cops for every single protester (like in Toronto where a squad car was conveniently left parked unattended for hours as a target for vandals). 20 cops could look at your face....and unless you did something to stand out, you would be gone from their short term memory in about....3 seconds.
Too bad. If someone wearing a mask commits a crime, we already have laws to prosecute said crime. If someone is peaceably wearing a mask for the sake of anonymity or as a political statement, it's none of your damn business what's under the mask.
So tell us about your annual Halloween rampage, you gung-ho condo commando, you.
FTFY. In the meantime, feel free to test that mere "theory" of gravity with your foot and an anvil.
Making shit up. Again.
Replacing coal plants with wind and solar farms will do what, exactly, to infringe on your personal liberty? Replacing highway sprawl with mass transit and high speed rail would result in an "enormous spy regime" how, exactly?