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Iranian Physics Student From UT Gets 10 Years In Jail For Spying
scibri writes "Omid Kokabee, a laser physics graduate student from the University of Texas who has been imprisoned in Tehran for the past 15 months, was sentenced to 10 years in jail on Sunday for allegedly conspiring with foreign countries against Iran. Kokabee was arrested in February 2011 while on a trip home, and charged with 'communicating with a hostile government' (i.e. Israel) and 'illegal earnings.' He has consistently denied the charges, and refused to speak at his trial, where no evidence against him was presented. Several international science groups, including the American Physical Society, have spoken up in his defense, and an online petition has been set up in support."
Sadly, this is a very common theme with the Iranian Government. Usually this is to get the person on board with them. They get out when they are on-board, and often family members are jailed to be sure that they stay on-board.
As long as crap is in power, crap like this happens. How many brilliant people did Stalin and Hitler kill? So many that we have no way of knowing.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
He's the last nuclear physicist in the country that Mossad hasn't killed, and they're sending him to prison?!?
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
Oh shit. A fucking online petition. Those Iranian guys a really wishing that they hadn't fucked with that grad student.
I'm glad I live in the US, where the kangaroo courts NEVER forget their kangaroos (freshly extradited from Australia)
imprisoned him?
The worst thing is that it isn't far-fetched at all.
spies for the Jews, the sworn enemy of his desert homeland !! Next time, DON'T GET CAUGHT !!
The great evils in history generally, and the Holocaust in particular, were not executed by fanatics or sociopaths, but by ordinary people who accepted the premises of their state and therefore participated with the view that their actions were normal.
It DOES put things into perspective, especially for people who like to complain about teh evil government in America taking away their rights, when there are governments which REALLY abuse their own people.
We have a LONG way to go before the West descends into such a farce. Or at least I hope so -- the evangelical dominionists don't have anything in their ideology remotely like what they have in Iran, where they can call you "mohareb" and just kill you.
He has consistently denied the charges, and refused to speak at his trial, where no evidence against him was presented.
You're guilty because we say so.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
and refused to speak at his trial
From the Nature article
Judge Abolghasem Salavati of Branch 15 of Tehran's Revolution Court — who is famous for his harsh sentences — tried 10 to 15 people in the same trial, under the collective charge of collaborating with Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad.
Hardly "his" trial now, wasn't it? From the sound of it, it was just 10-15 students they all accused of the same thing with some of them (like Sina Zahiri) confessing in order to reduce their sentences. Of course, Zahiri's accusation is contact with Mojahedin-e Khalgh Organization (completely unrelated to the Mossad). So now that Zahiri has confessed, Iran has "evidence" that they can now use to justify counter attacks or assassinations or arrests or whatever.
I'm sure in Kokabee's case, he'd have a lighter sentence if he just said that Israel is doing all the stuff of which they accuse him. Because then Iran has evidence to start some international shit (by the way, I am by no means claiming Israel has no such operations inside Iran).
My work here is dung.
No evidence against him, yet convicted anyways.
They had to, at least, have a trial, else it would have been cruel and unusual. Now the International community can't yell that he didn't get a trial, even if it was in a kangaroo court.
A civilization (and I use the term loosely) that persecutes and imprisons its best and brightest is doomed. Unfortunately, they can cause a whole lot of misery for their citizens and for the rest of the world during their long, slow death spiral.
Personally, I wouldn't be real surprised. Realize that Israel does actively spy, and even spies on the US. http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE78645B20110907 The US actively watches for Israeli spies. I'm not sure why the rush to assume the guy's innocent. Even tyrannical dictators usually have their reasons. I doubt the arrest was terribly politically expedient and I don't know that the guy has anything Iran needs. The evidence may not be presented the way we're accustomed to in the US and the sentence might be harsh, but that doesn't mean the guy is totally clean, either. And personally, I don't trust Israel any more than I trust Iran. Both ridiculously crooked governments with crazy right-wing dictators.
I know several Iranians, and none of them have been home in 30 years. They're not stupid enough to get caught up in the political tug of war between the US and Iran.
He must be innocent. If he were really a spy they'd do what the US and its allies do - murder him.
You'll support the Solar Tower project, and ban exports of oil and other fossil fuels.
Then so what? They won't be important to anybody, and they can pound sand if they like.
At least until some super-technological aliens arrive.
But that's decades away!
Someone caught someone theoretically spying for israel. Poor victim!
He is of course, innocent. Israel doesn't do anything wrong. Why would they! If you think they do you are a nazi and we'll sue your ass into the ghettos.
Of course I'm not israeli or jew. I'm totally unbiased.
Also, please join the JIDF today and fight the good (albeit non existant) fight!
90% of the inmates at Gitmo were innocent as well, and they didn't even get a show trial.
No, they got free board and lodging in a tropical paradise instead of scrounging for food in a war-torn desert.
... nevermind, I'm too late.
"The Greens lynched a hacker in Chicago. Last month, but I think the body's still hanging from the old Water Tower."
So, they cooked up these charges, for what? What does the country and/or government get out of f*cking with this one person? Even if all that were true -- Contacting Israel and so called 'illegal earnings', wouldn't that be the problem of the United States?
Then why do non-American Slashdotters still criticize the US? By your reasoning, European slashdotters lost the moral high ground centuries ago; Asian and Middle Eastern slashdotters lost the moral high ground millennias ago. Yet finger pointing persists. Perhaps individuals cannot lose the moral high ground by what their governments have done, and opinions like yours are worthless. Or perhaps you are right, and everyone should shut the hell up.
Iran is desperate to plug that hole, but frankly they're heavily outmatched and being sanctioned and sabotaged every step of the way.
If you're imposing strict social codes with ridiculously harsh laws while trying to compete with super powers, you're going to have a bad time.
It's true the USSR and US played a big part in turning Iran into the screw up it is today but at some point the people have gotta turn it around if they don't want to end up completely like North Korea. Smart people don't want to live in places where smart people are bothered and executed. Smart people also can't be told where to live -- they're smart and they figure out ways around that.
My work here is dung.
That simple. Iranians (well, except the MEK) aren't dedicated enough for a protracted violent struggle, so their government will remain as it is.
The Viet Minh and later Viet Cong were willing to die, by the hundreds of thousands, to take power in their country. The Taliban have demonstrated the same will to fight over decades.
Either be willing to fight as a revolutionary or get the fuck out before Serious People eat you. The Mullonazis are Serious People. If you aren't willing to slaughter them, you don't really oppose them.
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Morality is absolute, not relative. Either be perfect or kill yourself.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
It's good that citizens complain about injustice and evil abroad, even though their own government is also injust and commits evil actions. Sure, US as a country doesn't have the moral high ground by more than a few inches, but it's better than to shut up.
It's difficult to glean from the articles, but it seems Kokabee is not an American citizen, but an Iranian citizen who was attending an American graduate school. The act of going to an American school was the first risky move, both to his own safety but that of his family. The Iranian government knew he was attending an American school and simply waited for the appropriate time to use him as a pawn. Did he really think he was going to be able to associate himself with America and not end up being used for propaganda purposes by the Iranian government? He's a young kid so maybe he didn't think about it, but his parents should have.
I do sympathize that he felt he had to risk everything in order to get a good education in the field of his choice, but he put himself in a very risky position.
It does sound kind of political, doesn't it?
There are a lot of very narcissistic people on Slashdot and any discussion that isn't about America they seem to need to find a way to redirect it to the US as soon as they can. I can never be a discussion about civil rights in another nation, they have to try and steer the debate right back around to America so they can do more whining and make more things about themselves.
It is extremely annoying, and precisely as expected for this site.
In the West, the religious fanatics are not in power. The extreme ones who would kill you for blasphemy, apostasy or homosexuality are laughed at or scorned by the rest of the nation. It is not a reasonable expectation that these people will attain enough power to impose their will any time in the near future.
In the Muslim world, it's quite often those extreme religious fanatics who are in charge. Iran executed a man for being homosexual not long ago. Salman Rushdie still has a price on his head because he offended Muslim sensibilities. I believe most Muslim states still execute apostates, and Iran has several under sentence of death right now.
Narcissism is in genaral about one self, not about the USA, so what does narcissism have to do with it? Also, how bad is it to compare something that happens in one country that is viewed as "evil" by the majority of people on this site to something that happens in another country that is in fact home to a very large part of the visitors of this website? Even if just to put something in perspective to what happens "back home" and how evil or non evil the other country, or "home" is when you look at the facts without the propaganda attached to it. Maybe people jump at the opportunity to point out that the USA is not a perfect place and that pointing fingers at "evil" nations while being the pot that calls the kettle black isn't really convincing to smarter folks on this planet. If you don't like that, if you already know that is going to happen, why bother reading the topic, let alone comment on it at all? Offense is taken much more often than that it's given.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Sorry, but I'm an American and I have every right to be outraged. Just because my government does something doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't agree with anyone being held without a FAIR trial with REAL evidence regardless of what country is doing the holding.
-wmbetts
If you're not in Iran, stay out. Iran is run by paranoid idiots and no one is safe there.
Free board? Like the board that they were beaten with?
Free lodging? Like being hung by your wrists for days?
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All the Europeans/Asians/etc who lost the moral high ground centuries/millenia ago *have died*. I wouldn't hold their descendents hostage to a crime their ancestors committed.
In contrast, all the Americans who cheered wars and torture *are still alive* (most likely because they were too much of a chicken shit to go fight that war themselves).
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Free board? Like the board that they were beaten with?
I prefer to call it deep tissue massage
Free lodging? Like being hung by your wrists for days?
You must be referring to the complimentary chiropractic regimen.
The first link I clicked in this post was to the petition in support of him. I figured it was the least I could do.
Sadly when I clicked 'Sign' it asked me for my Facebook login. I don't use Facebook, but you might as well ask me for the passwords to my email or checking or any other account because you will receive the same refusal. I'm not comfortable with proving my login credentials to a 3rd party website.
Iran is off my list. Not going there. Nope.
Nay, they'll have to improve. Improve quite a bit....
nuke Iran
"It's almost hard to believe that my government can do this sort of thing to innocent people" not that hard to believe actually.
See decades ago when the US was seen as the mega super bastion of freedom, truth, shining knight of armor and whatnot, I told my friend, the US is simply a country like others, composed of average people and beside the cultural few difference, they are driven by the same emotion, instinct, bias, greeed as any others. Average people which thru complacency, or willful greeed and thirst after power and money, can simply turn from good to bad in a few decades.
Now a few decades later, the US is on its way there with hurried steps. It is one of those rare cases, where I am deeply bitter and sad to have been demonstrated at least partially correct. In the mean time I realized that despite my protest to my friends, I truly *wished* the US would that shining beacon in the darkness. Strangely enough seeing the US turn darker made me much more sad than seeing my own country going down the drain. Go figure.
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America deplores the incarceration of people without any evidence or due proc...
oh, wait
But 90% of the inmates at Gitmo were innocent as well
Citation needed.
Seriously, what you did is worse than Gitmo itself. You just blanket-dismissed 90% of the prisoners as innocent without knowing anything about them. At least the people who put them there knew some of the pertinent facts of why they were imprisoning those people. Mostly because they were caught in acts of war against the US.
UT is in Knoxville, not Austin.
No one was legally beaten, you may have a few occurances when some action occured but they were not authorized and people got in trouble and jail time, or hung for days.
FYI the amount of time they could be forced to sit or stand in uncomfortable positons was based on scientific studies directly authorized by President clinton on USA citizens.
Iranian student imprisoned on return trip to motherland. World outraged. Student released after 1-3 years and kicked out of country, migrating to _______ (fill in the blank). Employed by _______ govt or by high tech firm with contracts with govt. Profit.
These things happen not because there is some "unified government scheme" of some sort in Iran. They happen because of the severe inconsistency in power division between officials and departments. A lot of officials and departments sort of do as they please and if it works in favor of the government they sort of just roll with it. You people seem to think there is some organized conspiracy behind all of this. Iran isn't even nearly as organized as that. Why must every fucking event ever reported on the Internet lead to a bunch of idiots screaming "conspiracy?" You people make the Internet suck ass.
I've worked all over the world, including many third world countries. My guess is no rational person would consider me as being "sheltered."
America isn't "just as bad." It's worse, in many ways. Here the corruption is institutionalized to a far greater extent than any third world country could dream possible.
If posting could only be more like particle physics... then every time a moron and anti-moron collided their posts would disappear in a little poof of energy.
If you ever get out of Iran YOU DO NOT GO BACK. People have died for this before. Don't fucking do it.
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