It's pedantry when you ignore that states and cities routinely cooperate with federal officials in other areas, and that the Democrats explicitly made cooperation over immigration illegal.
States are under no obligation to enforce federal law, and vice versa. Deal with it.
So where has that happened? Go on, post your link.
Look at your own link and note the racists (nativists), getting the vapors at these ideas. Of course people will rat them out if ICE doesn't find them on their own.
I've already addressed this.
With a laughable source that has zero credibility on partisan issues. Snopes is the same hack outfit that twisted itself into knots to justify Hillary's corruption on the Uranium One deal.
You accuse me of what you do: willful denial of reality.
Denial of the reality where Trump is going to need a second term if he wants to catch up to Obama's deportation record? Your continued projection is noted.
You forgot that Obama supported gay marriage.
He opposed gay marriage and compared it to bestiality in court. Facts. You're engaging in the same Obamabot delusion of looking at (some) of the man's words while ignoring his actions completely.
Obama was just playing politics.
The light bulb is starting to flicker! Keep it up and in a few years you might be caught up to events that happened a decade ago.
Oh, is that why we have millions of illegal immigrants living here, with almost no chance of deportation, unless they commit a crime? Is that why Democrat cities/states have enacted "sanctuary" policies?
So you just want to tear up most of the bill of rights just to suit your nativist jihad.
You're just upset that we enforce the border at all.
Borders formed 100% on land that was taken illegally? DO get over yourselves. That and the fact that you'd be hard pressed to name a single latin american country that has NOT been overthrown by the CIA. Morally you owe trillions in reparations for 200 years of the Monroe Doctrine - so you can at least shut. the. fuck. up. and let Margarita come and clean office buildings overnight when here parents were murdered by a CIA-backed death squad.
Nothing pedantic about remedial civics. Again, states have to worry about immigration as much as the FBI needs to worry about pet shit on city streets.
All you've proved is that you can make a non-sequitur while linking to propaganda videos from friends-of-Democrats. *golf clap*
It's the opposite of a non sequitur - Ice Is will happily take note of undocumented school board officials et all and will arrest their asses. I'm starting to sense a pattern with you.
You haven't addressed that Democrats show no inclination of enforcing immigration laws -- quite the opposite.
What part of "Obama deported more immigrants than all previous presidents combined" are you having a hard time understanding? You're engaging in the same willful denial of reality as Obamabots who think the main was sainted before birth - you guys hang out for coffee?
False.
True. You do know that Snopes is a much of a partisan hack outfit for Democrats as Fox News is for Republicans, yes?
Obama and Clinton used to be against gay marriage, too. A lot has changed in 10 years.
Nothing changed. Obama, the first black president, had a full "states rights" position on another minority - after spending years chumming it up with Rick "kill all the gays in Uganda" Warren. Hillary was publicly against gay marriage right up until SCOTUS made the point moot. All of the gains in gay rights at the federal level have come from the courts, in spite of Democrats.
What's left for them? Transgender bathroom "rights"? "Islamophobia"? Pedophiles? They've ditched the American worker, and the only sustainable base they have left is immigrants, who reliably vote Democrat.
No one stabs their base in the backs more viciously than the Democratic Party. Openly fearmongering over the possibility of Tump being president while ignoring the fact that Obama deported millions of people.
Remind me again how that was supposed to be a one-time thing, in exchange for fixing the border?
Border wall plus a brutal deportation system - what more did Democrats have to give you?
Trying to keep the Putin Puppet storyline going in spite of the facts? Some of the diehards would keep repeating the puppet mantra if Trump had ICBM's in the air on their way to Moscow.
Plot holes or not, it's worth a thorough investigation.
As much as it was "worth it" to "thoroughly investigate" the possibility that Obama's parents planted a fake birth announcement in a newspaper because they knew he could be president some 45 years in advance. It's all the same deranged partisan butthurt for people to delegitimize a president they don't like instead of, you know, focusing on events in the real world. At least the Birthers weren't trying to drag the planet into WWIII, though.
You've ignored that the "sanctuary" state of California and the cities within have shown no inclination to do anything to deport illegal immigrants -- quite the opposite.
You've ignored remedial civics - immigration is a federal issues, not a state issue. States no more have to worry about immigration than the FBI needs to worry about pet or noise ordinances in L.A.
San Francisco is now allowing them to vote in school elections, and some cities even bring them into the government.
And anyone who participates can count on making their own ICE Is videos in short order, proving my point.
*snort* The Democrats have become the party of illegal immigration. Immigrants are the party's base of the future. If Democrats were really serious about immigration, they'd work with Trump and bring a sane immigration policy that put American interests first.
You need to pull your head out of the wingnutosphere. Obama deported more immigrants than all previous presidents combined, and the Clintons were for a border wall 20 years before it was cool. And remind us again who granted amnesty to millions of immigrants in the 80's?
Are you? Vote fraud is so rare as to be functionally non-existent, so you have no business telling people to get ID's when you don't have a use case for it.
Please don't parrot political talking points that don't make any sense. It hurts our side of the argument.
What doesn't make sense? That some states have cut down on the number of DMV offices so getting an ID can require travel, particularly for those in rural areas?
You are either out of work and can afford the time to get an ID, or you are working and were IDs when you gave your tax information.
Unless you don't have a copy of your birth certificate on hand, in which case you will be out time and money to get one, just so you can get a "free" ID. To address a problem that is so rare it may as well not exist (vote fraud).
1) The last thing the undocumented want is to bring attention from the state as that leads to them being deported.
2) The undocumented know that both political parties hate their guts. Trump didn't build this brutal deportation machine, he inherited it from Obama. And Hillary ran around telling everyone that child Honduran refugees (fleeing the coup she sponsored) should be deported 'to send a message to their parents'.
Not a majority of the votes in the state of Florida, he didn't. Press analysis of the votes showed Gore would have won a statewide recount under any scenario.
Parading that kind of information about is offensive.
I would say anal retentive pedantry (that is actually wrong) is obnoxious more so than offensive (PP said nothing about there being a popular vote for POTUS).
If you actually believe any of that stuff, I know this Nigerian prince who will make you rich if you can wire his sister $30,000 to bail him out of jail....
Like any country, they are interested in the side winning that is most likely to give them what they want. Of course, the particular side might change over time, but it's likely that in 2016 that was Trump.
What they "wanted" was a president vastly more confrontational than Obama ever was? And Obama overthrew a country on Russia's doorstep and send the highest number of troops to eastern Europe since WWII.
This is one of the larger plot holes in Russiagate - but there's plenty more to choose from.
They're only free if your time is worthless. And "free" goes out the window as well if you don't have "proper" documentation. Don't have an existing ID, passport or a copy of your birth certificate? Get ready to spend some time and money to get one.
And ID's are a red herring in the end anyway, as in-person vote fraud is so rare it functionally doesn't exist.
I would say absolutely zero, but someone at some point in time probably has been bludgeoned with a book to the point of expiration at some point in time. Could have been one of those. Back to the bad analogy:
Which cultures will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which ethnicities will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which religions will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which political parties will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
notice they aren't suing to remove all the milling plans that have been available on the internet for 20 years. Mills are a lot easier to find than 3D printers.
Notice the gaping flaw in that comparison: cost. Mills are a real investment, one the investor isn't going to want to risk by making guns for any yahoo that walks through the door. As opposed to a 3d printer any yahoo can buy for a few hundred bucks and make his own guns.
Unions came into being because the "job creators" hoarded the wealth produced by the labor of the workers, and because they would happily see you die in a mine shaft as long as it saved them a nickel.
Now, income inequality is the highest its ever been since the Gilded Age - Jeff Bezos is funding space exploration 'because he doesn't know what to do with his money' while he hires ambulances to sit outside his fulfillment centers. Because it's cheaper to haul the occasional victim of heat stroke to a clinic than it is to use air conditioning.
I see you're working real hard at disproving the assertion of arrogance/entitlement by continuing to compare emissions by nations, just so you can go on polluting as much as half a dozen Chinese people put together.
It just doesn't work that way. Otherwise....the Vatican gets to pollute just as much as the United States does...but that would clearly be nonsense. And again, how much of that coal power you're complaining about in China is producing consumer products for export to your man cave of entitlement.
Considering that those two countries have around 7 times the population of the United States - yeah, they get to pollute more. Call us when their per capita pollution exceeds the United States - and when much of their pollution is to produce crap for American consumers.
Gov. Jerry Brown defended the agriculture industry's heavy water use in an interview aired Sunday, but he said historic water rights are "probably going to be examined" if the drought persists.
"Some people have a right to more water than others," Brown said of senior water rights holders on ABC's "This Week." "That's historic. That's built into the legal framework of California. And yes, if things continue at this level, that's probably going to be examined."
Brown has faced criticism about agricultural water consumption since issuing California's first-ever statewide order to reduce water use last week. A mandatory 25 percent reduction in water use in cities and towns does not apply to agriculture.
No, I wont let you proceed with your regularly scheduled Gish Gallop - that's where a cultist (creationist, Birther, lunar conspiracy theorist) fires off a rapid series of facile talking points that fall apart faster than a fart in a hurricane when subjected to scrutiny.
Why would Russia interfere in an election between two parties in another country when both of those parties have hated Russia for over 100 years.
How is it that Putin is a master strategist that he knew years in advance that a game show host could be president of the United States, yet at the same time be so blind as to not anticipate any blowback to installing a manchurian candidate in the White House.
Explain why a former KGB man would be so dumb as to collude with someone as dumb as Trump, which would mean the FBI/CIA/NSA would have been aware of said collusion the entire time.
All of which ignores the fact that Sweden has laws, and a legal system, and is required to investigate crimes, just like our's.
A legal system that, again, has interviewed dozens of suspects abroad since Assange sought asylum in Ecuador's embassy. A legal system that would actually compel Sweden, as a signatory of the UN Convention Against Torture, to deny extradition to the United States as it is a country that employs torture. Including to sources such as Chelsea Manning. Sweden has pointedly refused to interview Assange abroad or promise not to hand him over to the United States.
Nope. You're just unable what's in front of your face, presumably 'cos you kinda like Trump
I'm a socialist, you dumb fat fuck. I also told Birther's to their face (who, btw have just as much evidence as you do) that they were full of shit on their batshit crazy theories that Obama's parents planted a fake birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper. Doesn't mean I supported Obama's murder of little children with drones or his attempts to cut Social Security.
It means I'm not an idiot, and I learned something from all the lies told about Iraq. Why didn't you?
I mean California should spend "fantastic" sums of money so people can eat, drink, bathe, and flush their toilets.
Which is a non-issue as residential use, again, is less than 15% of the state's water usage. Half the population could move out tomorrow and the other half could stop bathing, and you wouldn't even notice the difference.
Don't tell me that desalination is out of line, that's standard practice around the world for coastal cities to get the water they need. This isn't about the farmers, this is about the state.
When the vast majority of water use in the state comes from farmers...but....it's not about farmers? That's a lovely square peg you have but I don't see it fitting into this round hole.
You can pick on the low hanging fruit and blame them but in the end, assuming that California desires to grow it's population and/or industry, they will need more desalination plants.
How about this: if oil companies want fracking so bad, they can get together with cattle ranchers - sure it was great to steal bragging rights to being the cheese capital of the US but they could really let that go back to Wisconsin - or almond farmers who use one gallon of water to produce a single nut - and pay billions to build desalinization plants themselves.
Again, industry is the first sector hurt by these water hogs. Let's say you move to California and purchase some land to have a nice pot farm. You have a crew hired and buyers lined up for hemp products, medical oils, and Willie Nelson's tour bus - BUT WAIT! You find out that upstream from you is a fucking rice farmer, using the finest 12 century agriculture techniques (and I mean 12th century BC) and grandfathered water rights to flood his paddies, and all the other "job creators" in the vicinity can go screw themselves. Why would you want an equal tax burden for a desalinization plant when the rate of use is very, very, very far from equal?
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States are under no obligation to enforce federal law, and vice versa. Deal with it.
Look at your own link and note the racists (nativists), getting the vapors at these ideas. Of course people will rat them out if ICE doesn't find them on their own.
With a laughable source that has zero credibility on partisan issues. Snopes is the same hack outfit that twisted itself into knots to justify Hillary's corruption on the Uranium One deal.
Denial of the reality where Trump is going to need a second term if he wants to catch up to Obama's deportation record? Your continued projection is noted.
He opposed gay marriage and compared it to bestiality in court. Facts. You're engaging in the same Obamabot delusion of looking at (some) of the man's words while ignoring his actions completely.
The light bulb is starting to flicker! Keep it up and in a few years you might be caught up to events that happened a decade ago.
So you just want to tear up most of the bill of rights just to suit your nativist jihad.
Borders formed 100% on land that was taken illegally? DO get over yourselves. That and the fact that you'd be hard pressed to name a single latin american country that has NOT been overthrown by the CIA. Morally you owe trillions in reparations for 200 years of the Monroe Doctrine - so you can at least shut. the. fuck. up. and let Margarita come and clean office buildings overnight when here parents were murdered by a CIA-backed death squad.
Illegal alien, noun: a term used by the descendants of invaders to describe the descendants of native inhabitants.
Nothing pedantic about remedial civics. Again, states have to worry about immigration as much as the FBI needs to worry about pet shit on city streets.
It's the opposite of a non sequitur - Ice Is will happily take note of undocumented school board officials et all and will arrest their asses. I'm starting to sense a pattern with you.
What part of "Obama deported more immigrants than all previous presidents combined" are you having a hard time understanding? You're engaging in the same willful denial of reality as Obamabots who think the main was sainted before birth - you guys hang out for coffee?
True. You do know that Snopes is a much of a partisan hack outfit for Democrats as Fox News is for Republicans, yes?
Nothing changed. Obama, the first black president, had a full "states rights" position on another minority - after spending years chumming it up with Rick "kill all the gays in Uganda" Warren. Hillary was publicly against gay marriage right up until SCOTUS made the point moot. All of the gains in gay rights at the federal level have come from the courts, in spite of Democrats.
No one stabs their base in the backs more viciously than the Democratic Party. Openly fearmongering over the possibility of Tump being president while ignoring the fact that Obama deported millions of people.
Border wall plus a brutal deportation system - what more did Democrats have to give you?
Trying to keep the Putin Puppet storyline going in spite of the facts? Some of the diehards would keep repeating the puppet mantra if Trump had ICBM's in the air on their way to Moscow.
As much as it was "worth it" to "thoroughly investigate" the possibility that Obama's parents planted a fake birth announcement in a newspaper because they knew he could be president some 45 years in advance. It's all the same deranged partisan butthurt for people to delegitimize a president they don't like instead of, you know, focusing on events in the real world. At least the Birthers weren't trying to drag the planet into WWIII, though.
You've ignored remedial civics - immigration is a federal issues, not a state issue. States no more have to worry about immigration than the FBI needs to worry about pet or noise ordinances in L.A.
And anyone who participates can count on making their own ICE Is videos in short order, proving my point.
You need to pull your head out of the wingnutosphere. Obama deported more immigrants than all previous presidents combined, and the Clintons were for a border wall 20 years before it was cool. And remind us again who granted amnesty to millions of immigrants in the 80's?
Are you? Vote fraud is so rare as to be functionally non-existent, so you have no business telling people to get ID's when you don't have a use case for it.
You mean some dipshit wingnut on Fox News? Sure, that's persuasive....
What doesn't make sense? That some states have cut down on the number of DMV offices so getting an ID can require travel, particularly for those in rural areas?
Unless you don't have a copy of your birth certificate on hand, in which case you will be out time and money to get one, just so you can get a "free" ID. To address a problem that is so rare it may as well not exist (vote fraud).
If you don't drive, drink or smoke, what reason would you have for keeping your driver's license current?
Because
1) The last thing the undocumented want is to bring attention from the state as that leads to them being deported.
2) The undocumented know that both political parties hate their guts. Trump didn't build this brutal deportation machine, he inherited it from Obama. And Hillary ran around telling everyone that child Honduran refugees (fleeing the coup she sponsored) should be deported 'to send a message to their parents'.
Not a majority of the votes in the state of Florida, he didn't. Press analysis of the votes showed Gore would have won a statewide recount under any scenario.
Facts.
I would say anal retentive pedantry (that is actually wrong) is obnoxious more so than offensive (PP said nothing about there being a popular vote for POTUS).
If you actually believe any of that stuff, I know this Nigerian prince who will make you rich if you can wire his sister $30,000 to bail him out of jail....
What they "wanted" was a president vastly more confrontational than Obama ever was? And Obama overthrew a country on Russia's doorstep and send the highest number of troops to eastern Europe since WWII.
This is one of the larger plot holes in Russiagate - but there's plenty more to choose from.
They're only free if your time is worthless. And "free" goes out the window as well if you don't have "proper" documentation. Don't have an existing ID, passport or a copy of your birth certificate? Get ready to spend some time and money to get one.
And ID's are a red herring in the end anyway, as in-person vote fraud is so rare it functionally doesn't exist.
Per the facts. In person vote fraud is so rare as to be functionally non-existent, which means you don't want those people to be voting.
Not going to help when ballots are only counted at the polling place after they've been cast.
I would say absolutely zero, but someone at some point in time probably has been bludgeoned with a book to the point of expiration at some point in time. Could have been one of those. Back to the bad analogy:
Which cultures will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which ethnicities will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which religions will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
Which political parties will be oppressed if 3d gun schematics are banned.
etc.
How many school shootings have been committed with a copy of Catcher in the Rye?
How many disgruntled ex's have gunned down their old love interests with To Kill A Mockingbird?
How many poor people minding their own business have been aired out by Catch 22 happy cops?
Notice the gaping flaw in that comparison: cost. Mills are a real investment, one the investor isn't going to want to risk by making guns for any yahoo that walks through the door. As opposed to a 3d printer any yahoo can buy for a few hundred bucks and make his own guns.
Unions came into being because the "job creators" hoarded the wealth produced by the labor of the workers, and because they would happily see you die in a mine shaft as long as it saved them a nickel.
Now, income inequality is the highest its ever been since the Gilded Age - Jeff Bezos is funding space exploration 'because he doesn't know what to do with his money' while he hires ambulances to sit outside his fulfillment centers. Because it's cheaper to haul the occasional victim of heat stroke to a clinic than it is to use air conditioning.
What was your point again?
I see you're working real hard at disproving the assertion of arrogance/entitlement by continuing to compare emissions by nations, just so you can go on polluting as much as half a dozen Chinese people put together.
It just doesn't work that way. Otherwise....the Vatican gets to pollute just as much as the United States does...but that would clearly be nonsense. And again, how much of that coal power you're complaining about in China is producing consumer products for export to your man cave of entitlement.
Considering that those two countries have around 7 times the population of the United States - yeah, they get to pollute more. Call us when their per capita pollution exceeds the United States - and when much of their pollution is to produce crap for American consumers.
Sure you don't have that backwards:
No, I wont let you proceed with your regularly scheduled Gish Gallop - that's where a cultist (creationist, Birther, lunar conspiracy theorist) fires off a rapid series of facile talking points that fall apart faster than a fart in a hurricane when subjected to scrutiny.
Why would Russia interfere in an election between two parties in another country when both of those parties have hated Russia for over 100 years.
How is it that Putin is a master strategist that he knew years in advance that a game show host could be president of the United States, yet at the same time be so blind as to not anticipate any blowback to installing a manchurian candidate in the White House.
Explain why a former KGB man would be so dumb as to collude with someone as dumb as Trump, which would mean the FBI/CIA/NSA would have been aware of said collusion the entire time.
A legal system that, again, has interviewed dozens of suspects abroad since Assange sought asylum in Ecuador's embassy. A legal system that would actually compel Sweden, as a signatory of the UN Convention Against Torture, to deny extradition to the United States as it is a country that employs torture. Including to sources such as Chelsea Manning. Sweden has pointedly refused to interview Assange abroad or promise not to hand him over to the United States.
I'm a socialist, you dumb fat fuck. I also told Birther's to their face (who, btw have just as much evidence as you do) that they were full of shit on their batshit crazy theories that Obama's parents planted a fake birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper. Doesn't mean I supported Obama's murder of little children with drones or his attempts to cut Social Security.
It means I'm not an idiot, and I learned something from all the lies told about Iraq. Why didn't you?
Which is a non-issue as residential use, again, is less than 15% of the state's water usage. Half the population could move out tomorrow and the other half could stop bathing, and you wouldn't even notice the difference.
When the vast majority of water use in the state comes from farmers...but....it's not about farmers? That's a lovely square peg you have but I don't see it fitting into this round hole.
How about this: if oil companies want fracking so bad, they can get together with cattle ranchers - sure it was great to steal bragging rights to being the cheese capital of the US but they could really let that go back to Wisconsin - or almond farmers who use one gallon of water to produce a single nut - and pay billions to build desalinization plants themselves.
Again, industry is the first sector hurt by these water hogs. Let's say you move to California and purchase some land to have a nice pot farm. You have a crew hired and buyers lined up for hemp products, medical oils, and Willie Nelson's tour bus - BUT WAIT! You find out that upstream from you is a fucking rice farmer, using the finest 12 century agriculture techniques (and I mean 12th century BC) and grandfathered water rights to flood his paddies, and all the other "job creators" in the vicinity can go screw themselves. Why would you want an equal tax burden for a desalinization plant when the rate of use is very, very, very far from equal?