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20 States Take Aim At 3D Gun Company, Sue To Get Files Off the Internet (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Twenty states announced Monday that they plan to ask a federal judge in Seattle to immediately issue a temporary restraining order against Defense Distributed, a Texas-based group that has already begun making 3D-printer gun files available on its DEFCAD website after a recent legal settlement with the US State Department. "After almost 18 months I was skeptical that there was anything else that this administration would do that would truly shock me, but they have," Washington Attorney General Bill Ferguson told reporters assembled in Olympia and by phone. "Frankly, it is terrifying... We think that it is important to put a stop to this right away and make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information." The new lawsuit, which Ferguson explained will be filed "within hours," comes just one day after Defense Distributed voluntarily agreed to block IP addresses from Pennsylvania after that state's attorney general filed a similar motion in federal court there. "Pennsylvania is still suing and we are still responding," Defense Distributed's founder, Cody Wilson, told Ars. Preemptively on Sunday, Defense Distributed sued the attorney general of New Jersey and the city attorney of Los Angeles to stop those lawsuits, largely on First Amendment grounds.
In this new 20-state initiative, the Washington attorney general argued that the State Department settlement violated the Administrative Procedure Act and also infringed upon states' Tenth Amendment right to regulate firearms within their own states. Ferguson pointed out, for example, people convicted of domestic abuse are flagged when they attempt to legally buy a gun. Allowing anyone to download and manufacture their own gun circumvents that process, he said. But Wilson told Ars it may be too late, as the files went up last Friday evening -- days before he said he would resume publishing them on August 1.
In this new 20-state initiative, the Washington attorney general argued that the State Department settlement violated the Administrative Procedure Act and also infringed upon states' Tenth Amendment right to regulate firearms within their own states. Ferguson pointed out, for example, people convicted of domestic abuse are flagged when they attempt to legally buy a gun. Allowing anyone to download and manufacture their own gun circumvents that process, he said. But Wilson told Ars it may be too late, as the files went up last Friday evening -- days before he said he would resume publishing them on August 1.
They'll lose in the Supreme Court. This isn't just a Second Amendment issue, it's a First Amendment issue foremost.
DD's lawyer is going to be famous after this case.
Freedom of speech, freedom of information.. guns don't kill people, people kill people.. etc etc etc..
Are they the same?
Think of the children!
Every september libraries have what is called "Banned Books Week"
This is to highlight the problem with banning books and remind everyone that this is a terrible idea.
I think we've firmly established, over and over, that banning books does not work.
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I am pro gun laws, and yet, my opinions cannot change reality. Just like "pirated" movies and music, there is no way to stop this from being distributed. I
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Certainly an upgrade from my current 2D gun. Very difficult to aim accurately.
This is a good example of the definition of "futile".
They are going to make a lot of money countersuing those states for First and Second Amendment violations.
Because that's ever worked.
I guess the ongoing propaganda campaign to keep the masses ignorant and scared of firearms has worked, because it seems none of these people realize that "home-made" guns have been possible, and legal, for an extremely long time. Like any other machine, the quality will depend on the skills and tools available. The 3D printing stuff is interesting from a technical point of view, and it's impressive that the result functions at all, but still not very practical compared to traditional machining and stamping.
Criminals don't need to "print" an untraceable gun at home. They can walk down the street and buy an untraceable lost or stolen gun which will work without hours of tweaking and fixing. The idea that this project will meaningfully affect crime or public safety is ridiculous on its face. This is only in the news for clickbait and getting predictable outrage from the usual people who already didn't like guns.
"...allowing anyone to manufacture their own gun circumvents that process..." it's their thumbs that allow you to manufacture a gun, you don't need Internet and a 3D printer to make one.
As technology marches forward it will become easier and easier to manufacture weapons and a society which uses bans to solve the problem will have to crack down harder and harder upon freedom and liberty to stop people from circumventing those bans. Eventually you'll have to literally be locked down and monitored 24/7. You then have a choice, either you continue to treat people like children hoping in government and authority to protect them from big bad guns forever or accept the risks and inevitable pains and losses and teach people to learn to live with and use these tools like adults.
I'm not pro-gun or even a gun owner, but I think this lawsuit is idiotic. Diagrams of how to make a workable gun are available in any public library with an encyclopedia or a set of "how it works" books. Any halfway competent machinist with access to some metal stock and pipe could use them to produce a functional, if inelegant (i.e. unrifled) gun.
Printed guns are here. They are freely available. Anyone can make a gun.. They could before also with a little know-how... or just steal one. Fighting this is going to be like fighting movie downloading... It's happening at some level, but most people won't be affected by it. Just deal with it, this is no big deal.
"After almost 18 months I was skeptical that there was anything else that this administration would do that would truly shock me"
This is a case brought by 20 state governments; which administration is being referred to?
... money grubbers like gun manufacturers and their PAC, the NRA?
DIY should be an issue like the fucking "right to repair," mess.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I think that Washington's attorney general is confusing the right to publish with being responsible for what you publish. It is extremely hard to restrain speech in the U.S. prior to publication.
The Pentagon Papers were relevant to national security and there could not be prior restraint on publishing those. https://legal-dictionary.thefr...
Some state attorney generals willies about someone 3D printing a gun isn't even close to a national security issue. Stopping the information from being posted until a final adjudication should be nigh-on impossible.
Frankly, it is terrifying... We think that it is important to put a stop to this right away and make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information
Yeah, I hear ya. But the thing about information is that it's REALLY hard to stop it from spreading. And this isn't super top-notch secret information that only a handful of people have. Anyone with a bit of time and some free software can make their own, and then go one to share it through any avenue available in this modern ultra-connected digital world.
You're simply not going to be able to police this. It's outside the scope of what you can control.
Any attempts to illegalize it will either be laughably unenforceable or boil down to cops raiding places for what amounts to thought-crime (which will run afoul of bigger laws, namely the 1st and 4th amendments to the constitution). So we, collectively, need to get ready for a world where nearly anyone with a bit of cash to spare (like $50), will have access to firearms. Really shitty firearms at the moment, but that's probably going to get better.
is it? It's a manufacturing diagram. That's not expressing much of anything. Also, I'm not sure where the law is on manufacturing arms vs the right to keep and bare arms. Those are different things. I'm not sure the constitution address manufacturing. I suppose you could read that into it, but the right wing of SCOTUS tend to be literalists.
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Good thing the US has strong free speech rights. Though these lawsuits are a waste of time & money. When these states invariably lose they should have to pay millions to this guy to teach them a lesson about frivolous, politically driven lawsuits. F'n politicians.
Because "Internet", information wants to be free. Sure, you can cover everything on the surface, but the more "secret" the information is, the more popular it will become, and the more people will attempt to copy and distribute, and print it.
Next thing will probably be outlawing 3D printers.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
It'd be awesome to try to tackle the problem of people wanting to kill each other in cold blood in the United States. You know, maybe try to foster a culture that values human life.
Oh wait, that goes against killing people in *other* countries though. Nevermind, that'll never work.
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At this point, anyone who opposed armed citizens is automatically to my mind in support of women being raped - a huge number of women have prevented said horrific crime through owning handguns.
Governments or businesses (like Google) that try to stop private gun ownership should be picketed and asked repeatedly "Why do you support rape? Why do you not support armed women, what are your plans that you fear women being able to easily fight back against physically stronger attackers"?
If you support gun bans today, you should be asking yourself this same question.
If you are a woman, you should seriously consider getting a firearm to carry and training to be able to use it - you never know who you might be able to protect someday, including yourself. If you wear a seatbelt every time you get in a car why not carry a gun also?
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How many rights can we violate in a single idea?
Looks like Cloudflare is blocking it here (North Carolina).
The idiocy of the people complaining about this aside
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>"the Washington attorney general argued that the State Department settlement violated the Administrative Procedure Act and also infringed upon states' Tenth Amendment right to regulate firearms within their own states."
That is a pretty weak cry. In the Bills of Rights, the 10th says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" (and we know how much THAT is followed already). As an aside, would these same people argue that the Department of Education should be eliminated because it [actually does] violate the 10th? Education is certainly NOT listed in the Constitution as a Federal power, in any way.
In any case the 10th doesn't overturn the 2nd. It says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" That is a specifically listed Constitutional right of the PEOPLE, not the Fed, not the States.
And the 10th also doesn't overturn the 1st. It says "Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech" which applies to the States too, who all wrote it into their State Constitutions. Yes, even in Washington State: http://leg.wa.gov/lawsandagenc... Article 5 is freedom of speech " Every person may freely speak, write and publish on all subjects, being
responsible for the abuse of that right." Article 24 is right to bear arms " The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired"
In any case, knowing HOW to build something doesn't make it legal to do something. It even says that RIGHT IN THE WASHINGTON STATE CONSTITUTION. You can post information about poison to the Internet, but that doesn't mean you can legally make it, or legally administer it to someone. You can post information about a kewl motor vehicle, but that doesn't mean you can legally drive it on public roads.
Information is just that.... information.... this isn't a case of threats, slander, libel, state secrets of national security, or inciting a riot, or similar, so why is information about making PARTS of a firearm suddenly off-limits? It's what you might DO with that information that could be made criminal, not the mere existence or sharing of that information. And if it were illegal to just exist or be posted, what information or ideas are next to be made illegal? Shall we ban all videos about how most house locks can be "bumped"? Ban marshal arts books? Ban wiring diagrams about radios that could be used to broadcast on restricted airwaves? Ban articles on Socialism or any other hot topic?
we do ban some speech. There's the obvious "Shout Fire in a theater" and "Won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" examples, but then there's also certain types of pornography. And try ask Julian Assange or Ed Snowden about freedom of speech. E.g. you can't spread state secrets just because it's free speech.
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These files have been floating around the net in various archives since they had been initially released. Last time I went looking I found them in an archive containing far worse than the files I was looking for.
Trying to say they are unavailable online only makes the download links multiply.
Anybody who wants these files already has them. All this does is make said files harder to collaborate on and share throughout the firearm and 3d printing community.
It's as if half the population forgot that some people like to make things that don't run on a computer, including guns, and banning things creates powerful black markets.
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
"In this new 20-state initiative, the Washington attorney general argued that the State Department settlement violated the Administrative Procedure Act and also infringed upon states’ Tenth Amendment right to regulate firearms within their own states. Ferguson pointed out, for example, people convicted of domestic abuse are flagged when they attempt to legally buy a gun. Allowing anyone to download and manufacture their own gun circumvents that process, he said."
Oh dear. Imagine the problems dealing with 'people convicted of domestic abuse' or merely accused of this, if they already have a gun and hide it from the authorities. No, dear, you cannot be sure of preventing that, and you'll also take their cars, knives, and hand tools. Or not, and be shocked.
This is not a Tenth Amendment issue. That reserves to the States or the People powers not otherwise delegated. And the Second Amendment recognized the People as having the right to own guns. This suit should be spanked and sent off without dessert.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
...when all you need is a mechanism that taps on a bullet.
Information wants to be free! Unless it's about guns or something.
Just put the plans for it into an etherium or bitcoin contract and send yourself ten cents.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
To regulate in your own state would not have anything to do with removing them from internet...which is ridiculous.
Defense distributed could lose every single court case and they still won't stop 3d printed guns.
The gun control movement has turned into the drug war. You're trying to ban marijuana and backyard booze again.
All gun control regimes rely on controlling industrial production choke points. When those choke points don't exist those regimes are impotent.
The whole gun debate is as over at this point as the drug control debate. I suspect the advocates will have to die of old age just as with the drug control advocates. But once that happens... and unless they're immortal it will... there won't even be an argument anymore.
It is game over.
And to make it all the funnier... who said "get on the right side of history" as if they had a time machines or the ability to predict the future? Well, the gun control advocates did. And who is on the wrong side of history? They are.
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First off I'll point out that one lawsuit like this by a trio of anti-2A activists has already been tossed. So I'm somewhat curious if this will be thrown out as well. http://thehill.com/regulation/...
But more towards my; this may end up being a really stupid move by the state's that are pushing them. Every state with a gun control law that steps outside of what has been passed on the Federal level have used the 10th amendment as a justification for additional arms prohibition. Right now the case for restricting the distribution of these files is quite weak as is. Specially given the text of this ruling, which specially laid out some of the rules of what could and could not be banned. I'm rather paraphrasing heavily, but unless it's something that's already specially banned than these files are not explicitly illegal. I.E. a fully automatic M16 would be illegal, but just the basic semi auto only AR-15 is not. But in resting their entire argument on the 10th amendment you've now set up a situation where a lose by the plaintiff could result in a legal precedent that could be used by persons seeking to challenge ANY state level gun restriction.
Ultimately I think this case will probably be tossed without comment. But if these states seek to push this all the way up to SCOTUS you could see a complete collapse of any state level gun control laws.
You mean Bob Ferguson, ain't no Bill Ferguson listed anywhere as an Attorney General for Washington.
Nice job on editing, editors. Not.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Perhaps they should ban the plans to make WMD's first, like bombs. Oh wait....
You don't even need any "metal shop" tools to make a gun. That just helps to make a better one. My nephew and I assembled one from metal plumbing parts a few days ago. It took about half an hour, with nothing but hand tools.
Guns have been around since the 1300s, around the same time the hourglass was invented. Which shows they can be built with tools and equipment less advanced than what Columbus had on board the Santa Maria.
For regular guns that you can find online?
You know, the ones that you can make using regular parts from your local hardware store, and that can fire multiple times without the danger of blowing up in your hands?
I have no use for the files but if someone says they want to remove them from the internet I'm downloading them. FYI, the link is currently DDoS. Presumably, everyone else is getting them too.
General in this case originated as an adjective, it's not a rank. So "Attorney" is pluralized. Mental Floss has a list of similar compound plurals.
This is going to sound a bit critical so let me preface it by stating that Cody Wilson is an interesting guy and I endorse Defense Distributed.
That said, Defense Distributed is really a political rhetorical tactic; Nobody is actually firing rounds and their oppressors from 3D printed guns. Fundamentally, freely publishing gun blueprints is a clever strategy to force Democrats into a corner, compelling them to choose between either of two undesirable options: allowing gun rights or opposing free speech rights. If Democrats suppress publication of gun blueprints, then they betray their own free-speech principles. If Democrats allow publication of gun blueprints, then they forego their anti-gun agenda.
As soon as Defense Distributed freely published gun blueprints, anti-gun Democrats confronted a no-win scenario. Because they necessarily loose, their best option is to minimize casualties. Wow, are they screwing that up:
"Frankly, it is terrifying... We think that it is important to put a stop to this right away and make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information." Washington Attorney General Bill Ferguson told reporters...
Any government official publicly demanding that information be suppressed and censored instantly loses in the court of public opinion. That statement achieves nothing but to help Republicans heading into the November elections. "Democrats are working to suppress the right to free speech" is now a 100% truthful statement. It will get even worse after they lose in court, which will be viewed by the public as an authoritative rebuke of their attempts to suppress the right to free speech.
As I favor an adversarial and competitive political process, it would be nice to see the Democrats get their game on. As a first step, stop playing politics like it is tiddlywinks when the other side treats it as chess.
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Was convince me to upgrade my extant life membership to the NRA to a higher level. Rinse and repeat across the country. I'll get ones for my daughters and wife this christmas.
You need to learn about 14th amendment incorporation doctrine.
TL;DR: The 2nd amendment is fully incorporated; that, in few words, means that it applies to the states.
ref: McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010).
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You can download the instructions to build a device that affects people in your general proxmity.... thats it.
Now imagine that instead of a specialized CNC machine that carves out lower receivers you have a CRISPR-like machine that can build out DNA for all kinds of creatures, both benign and terrifying. You could create any contagious disease you could dream up.
Unless the prohibition is part of the sentencing - the punishment assigned as a consequence of the crime - a law specifying such a restriction after the fact is a clear and unequivocal ex post facto violation of the constitution, and is invalid on its face. Here's the relevant portion of the ex post facto definition applying to criminal law:
Which is not to say there aren't invalid laws. There are. Many. There's also a sophist workaround in that states can make civil laws to do pretty much anything they want to anyone, anytime, because the government decided that ex post facto was only applicable to criminal law. But when it comes to punishment for commission of a felony... that's criminal law.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Let the information be free, make 3D-printed guns illegal. The 2nd amendment doesn't give the right to own any weapon.
In addition, even with the improvement in CNC machines 3D-printed guns are not up to the safety standards of mass-manufactured weapons and may be deemed to dangerous to use for their owner/maker. They wouldn't be the first items banned out of safety concerns.
Options:
1 - Legally pay $3000 for a 3D printer, spend many hours working out intricacies (support density, print angle, resin type), and illegally print a shitty printed gun...
2 - Illegally pay $3000 for a black market gun with no serial number
I wonder which option that people, who are already willing to use this gun for nefarious purposes, are going to choose.
I read many comments lamenting this and that ideologically, but as it comes to the "stuff that matters" , how this will go.
Ultimate question is: will we really see many plastic guns in crime?
There has been no shortage of guns accessible to organized crime in the past, so this is no issue in the street gang activities.
The only issue is terrorism in places that were so far protected by TSA: planes.
TSA is already checking the baggage for suspicious forms and shapes. Not sure this will really make an impact.
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Or for that matter encryption that was classified as a âoemunition?â I think I still have the T-Shirt of Perl code in the shape of a porpoise, from 20 years ago. It was ostensibly subject to US export controls. I used to wear it whenever I traveled internationally.
Just in case....
We think that it is important to put a stop to this right away and make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information.
You who would suppress their free speech rights to create a false illusion of temporary security? That's a really SCARY statement.
I suspect it might be important for our future as a free society for it to be as EASY as humanly possible to access this information regardless of those in favor of centralization of power attempting to censor it.
All the files return error 500 on the website. Looks like it's already down.
That's why they sued in a friendly jurisdiction. After they fight a decade or so of litigation over this to go through two layers of courts, only then do they hope the SC grants a writ of certiorari to even accept their case. There's no guarantee of that and it's likely they'll try to make it expensive to get there.
Once it's out in the wild you can't contain it.
If you draw attention to it, by suing, then you create a Streisand Effect which makes more people pay attention to it and exasperates problem #1 above.
They should have ignored it.
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The political left has for 4 decades celebrated their victory at the Supreme Court over Nixon in the Pentagon Papers case. That victory will now be a problem here. Back then , Nixon wanted to prevent the publishing of stolen papers from the Johnson Administration that showed just how badly Johnson's team had run the war (the papers were not about Nixon) and Nixon feared the precedent, feared the national security impact, and feared the morale impact. The left did not care at all about the possible negative effects, they insisted it was a fundamentally wrong thing to suppress the publication of information based on the imagined future bad effects.
This precedent that prevents government from stopping a publisher from releasing information because the publishing might lead to future harm is now "settled law" and the left usually insists that important leftists rulings, once made, are "settled law" the reversal of which is an obscene thing (see: Roe v Wade, Gay marriage, elimination of Christian prayer from schools, etc)
I have warned people on the left many times over the decades that their desperate desires for certain laws or court rulings would have long-term consequences they might regret by setting broad precedents, but there seems to be unlimited recklessness in the progressive soul (see: Obama's pen and phone leading to Trump executive orders being covered by the precedent, and Harry Reid's judicial fillibuster elimination leading to Trump justice confirmations)
Yet another friendly warning to people on all sides in politics: Be careful of the policies and precedents you demand and make stuff as narrow as possible or the stuff you love today can become the stuff that pains you next year.
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Yes, the first and second amendment issues here are intriguing and all.
but the thought that keeps coming back to this gun owners mind is:
HOW FUCKING SAFE ARE THESE THINGS?
A rash of blown off fingers may put the breaks on the cool factor.
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These files were always legal for domestic publication. DD originally took them down because they could not guarantee that downloaders weren't foreign nationals which (supposedly) violated ITAR. State department knew they would lose in court and admitted it.
These 20 states want a new TRO for domestic download, any talk of ITAR is irrelevant. Individuals like Philip Luty, and publishers like Paladin Press have long published exact plans for home production of firearms.
on the last weekend of September. Every year, dozens of people ask me about printing guns. This year I will be putting a sign on the printer that says:
Attention Firearms Enthusiasts:
Before you ask...
1) Yes, this machine could print a dangerously poor quality gun that would probably injure you if you pulled its trigger.
2) No, I have never printed a gun.
3) No, I won't print a gun for you. Don't bother asking.
4) Please don't ask me about printed guns. I have no interest in the subject.
When you contract with an architect, there are several unique aspects to the usual transaction:
1) the intellectual property remains the property of the architect - they license a copy to you for a specific use
2) you provide the materials to produce a tangible copy - that way there's no sales tax - if the architect provided the physical drawing to you (or a disk or USB key, etc.) in tangible form, then sales tax applies to the entire design transaction, not just the copying.
3) If the architect makes vellum drawings, so YOU can go make diazo copies (aka blue prints), they are "loaned" to you, you pay the sales tax at whoever makes the copies for you.
4) Drawings that are transmitted to the city or county (for building permits) are transferred subject to a license that does not necessarily give the city the right to make copies for anyone.
As far as I know you can't manufacture the parts needed to turn a semi auto into full auto even though it's trivial to do so.
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and the only question becomes do we want to regulate encryption like we do firearms. Of course it's not a 1 to 1 comparison. I can't kill someone with ones and zeros. But the point stands. At some point we have to decide what we want to and do not want to regulate and how much.
Also, we absolutely regulate what you can personally manufacture. You can't make a full auto rifle or the parts to convert a semi-auto.
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because it's a completely false sense of security. Fascists couldn't care less about your semi or even full auto rifles. By the time you're at the point where you're considering violence as a solution to Fascism it's much too late. They'll have seized control of the army and the food supply and the army will do what they're told like they always have so long as they've got pay and food. And you will not win against an organized army, let alone a modern one with the backing of the state.
And don't point out the Taliban. We're letting them have that 40%. We got the important parts (the oil pipeline we wanted).
If you want to prevent fascism you need to strip them of their favorite tool for seizing power: poverty. Seriously, look at every single fascist dictatorship and they all started with desperate poverty and an aristocracy that was abusing the working class.
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Was that the gut-wrenching sound of a paradigm shifting without a clutch?
Pining for the days when The Glorious MEEPT!!! graced SlapDash with his wisdom.
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Kid was well on his way to a functional reactor using americium from smoke detectors.
You can get huge numbers of people to claim in polls and in conversation that they are NRA members, even if they are not.
Some legitimately think that if they registered once for a year, they are life members. Not so. A Life membership can be had for relatively low expense if you look around, but it's still going to cost you $500 more than likely.
The NRA's numbers are for those who pay yearly OR who shelled out the bucks for a life membership. It's cheaper if you are a senior citizen or a spouse. So you can be a life member for $250 if you are a senior.
Anyway, don't underestimate their power to raise funds and awareness. Liberal activist groups wish they were as effective as the NRA.
It makes it easier for "The People" to be ready when "Mother^h^h^h^h^h^hHomeland Security" attempts to start pushing the 99 percenters into work concentration camps to supply the needs of the 1 percenters. Those Nazi bastards are scared as fuck about having to go up against armed citizens, hell, they'd be scared if all we had were slingshots and gravel.
I didn't serve my country for it to go down the shitter the way it has these last few decades.
Thomas Jefferson was right, and we are wayyyy overdue for cleaning out the house, the White House and the House of Congress, they all need to be sent packing to somewhere where they can't do any more harm, perhaps remedial pre-school training is in order for them.
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/press-releases/attorney-general-shapiro-governor-wolf-state-police-successfully-block-access-to-3d-downloadable-guns-in-pennsylvania/
Just read that. It's beyond ridiculous:
"Attorney General Shapiro said. “Defense Distributed was promising to distribute guns in Pennsylvania in reckless disregard of the state laws that apply to gun sales and purchases in our Commonwealth. Once these untraceable guns are on our streets and in our schools, we can never get them back."
It's like they don't even understand that it's already LEGAL to manufacture a firearm for personal use. So what exactly is the issue? It's disgusting.
Only if you:
-Abolish the death penalty for ANY reason.
-Make birth control/prophylactics EASILY obtainable and free for people under 18
-Allow the "unwanted" babies to be sold to willing parents instead of having the state reap the financial gains of adoption.
-Don't make adoption an expensive pain in the ass
Those suggestions "value human life" but I bet you'll decline every single one of them because we know that you, in fact, do not value human life above any level that helps yourself.
That's a good point. Modern cartridges, aka ammunition, allow the gun itself to be greatly simplified. There is no need for the matchlock mechanism used on the guns Columbus had, not the wheellock used by personal firearms aboard the Mayflower.
The wheellock used a mechanism similar to the sparking wheel found on a disposable lighter. With modern cartridges, a simple nail will do the trick of igniting the cartridge by striking the primer pre-installed at the rear of the cartridge ("bullet").
One simple and straightforward design for a gun can be seen in the .22 caliber nail guns uses to fire nails into concrete. Costing about $20 retail, it consists of an outer tube or pipe, an inside tube that slides into the outer, a nail, and a spring. The cartridge is placed in the end of the smaller tube. The smaller tube is then slid into the larger. This forms the chamber. The spring is placed on the nail and inserted into the end of the larger tube at the rear of the cartridge. Striking the nail fires the gun. If you don't want to have to carry something to tap the nail with, a trigger mechanism takes an additional 20 minutes to build.
Do not try this as home. If something goes wrong in your build, you'll be holding a small pipe bomb. Small, but enough to do some damage. You could also accidentally shoot yourself messing around like this. Don't do it. Try the Coke and Mentos thing instead, or make some obglek.
How many school shootings have been committed with a copy of Catcher in the Rye?
How many disgruntled ex's have gunned down their old love interests with To Kill A Mockingbird?
How many poor people minding their own business have been aired out by Catch 22 happy cops?
"The new lawsuit, which Ferguson explained will be filed 'within hours,' comes just one day after Defense Distributed voluntarily agreed to block IP addresses from Pennsylvania after that state's attorney general filed a similar motion in federal court there.
Thank Almighty God and Baby Jesus nobody in Pennsylvania has ever heard that the letters "V", "P" and "N", when taken together, constitute an acronym which has some bearing on this situation.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
What exactly about not having to register your freedoms is obscene? Should you have to register before getting a blog or email address?
What a stupid, specious argument.
You mean like your freedom to drive? When SPAM and blogs result in immediate, mass casualties, get back to me. I'm not saying it can't happen, but freedom of speech is not the same as freedom to form a community militia for mutual defense against indigenous people (where, to be fair to native Americans, defense usually meant a brutal offense), and neither of those are the same as the manufactured so-called freedom to arm yourself to the teeth in the name of being able to overthrow the government if things aren't going your way.
Americans are bananas. Not got any hobbies, other than shooting up the whole damn place?
If the billionaire media barons can't succeed in blocking the distribution of stuff that they own and control, how successful do you think a bunch of state governments will be at keeping something off the internet that they don't own? I wouldn't want to guess how many websites are already mirroring the do-it-yourself handgun plans, and a lot of them will be outside the US and far from the control of these state legislators. Like many state legislators, they seem to think that they can make the moon shine brighter than the sun and make water flow uphill.
They've been trained to be, especially the military. How else do you get somebody to rush a machine gun nest. Once their lives and their families lives are threatened by food insecurity they'll cheerfully oppress you. People change when they can't eat.
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Pretty much the same thing as banning books that would teach you how to assemble a gun. Legally I think it's a bad precedent. Technically it's pissing in the wind, it's trivial to set up a foreign corporation and host it outside the US, and it's trivial to use a VPN or Tor to access the site if you want it.
Soon it's going to be illegal to build your own firearm. Why? Because the day that there's a school shooting and a homemade weapon was used will be the end of this legal right.
If the states win, it will be a big lose for all of us. The way things work now, the states can grant MORE rights in their constitutions than is granted in the US Constitution, but they can't TAKE AWAY rights. Federal rights trump states.
If the states win, this will allow them to take away any rights the Federal courts have ruled that citizens have. Your right to atheism? Sorry, our state has decided you must be a Muslim.
So who's up for setting up a site that shows an AR-15, AK-47, etc and when they print it it's actually a Hello Kitty figure?
Sideshow Bob tries to get his name in the media as often as possible by suing the Trump administration dozens of times to appeal to his potential backers as he gets ready to run for governor. Now that he’s discovered the 10th Amendment he should get all of his AG pals to start filing lawsuits daily for everything that the Federal government does that isn’t explicitly allowed in the Constitution.
You can already make your own guns with some pipe from home depot, this isn't going to increase crime at all because I doubt gang bangers will go and buy an expensive 3d printer which costs the price of 30 pipe guns