There is no popular contest for president, so there is no popular vote. It's a meaningless number, as meaningless as talking about Hillary's popular vote "victory" in the primary when that ignores caucus states. And in Hillary's case her general election "victory" comes almost entirely from just two states, NY and CA. The only vote that matters is the one in the Electoral College, and candidates campaign accordingly - unless you're as incompetent as Hillary, and don't bother to show up in any of the states between Pennsylvania and Iowa. Hell, she even came within 50,000 votes of losing Minnesota, the only state to vote against Reagan in both of his elections.
Zero of those convictions address Russiagate and Trump directly.
Again, fixed.
From an investigation that took 6 years. The Trump/Russia investigation has been going on for about 16 months.
Russiagaters keep saying that as if its supposed to mean something. It means nothing when Mueller hasn't even established probable suspicion of any Russian interference or collusion with Trump, much less probable cause.
So, are you saying right here, right now, that the Whitewater investigations and all the subsequent investigations of Hillary Clinton were all "partisan bullshit crafted by opponents" of someone Republicans just didn't like? Is that your story now?
You need a picture drawn with crayons? Whitewater was a bullshit partisan witch hunt - and so is Russiagate. Let's cut to the chase: Mueller has never bothered to examine the DNC servers, the alleged hacking of which is the entire foundation of Russiagate. And if he cared about election interference, he'd be going after Hillary for doing in fact what Trump has thus far been baselessly accused of: colluding with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election (paying for Steele Dossier). Nor has he gone after Cambridge Analytics, when that foreign company has outright bragged about changing election results in the US. And he was caught completely unprepared when the Twitter troll farm actually sent lawyers to challenge his claims in court.
So either Mueller is so incompetent he couldn't find his ass with both hands and assistance from three interns, or this investigation was a farce from the very beginning. Pick one.
Ignoring your double negative, the feds have the evidence and it will be produced in court at the appropriate time.
If the the Feds had shit, they would have presented it years ago. This investigation isn't about finding evidence for a crime, as there never was any probable suspicion of one in the first place - just a so-lame-it-wouldn't-have-passed-for-a-bad-80's-action-movie excuse from the DNC for losing the most winnable race in history. It's about the deep state reminding a game show host president who's boss.
Here are just the first 6 pages of the indictments against the GRU agents - plenty of meat for the nothingburger there
Good, I was running low on toilet paper. Look, clown shoes, Mueller has never bothered to have the FBI examine the DNC servers, the alleged hacking of which makes up the foundation of Russiagate. Which either means that Mueller is so unbelievably incompetent he shouldn't be left alone with the office Keurig machine least he burn the place down, or this was never a real investigation to begin with.
I know why you think that - and it's because you watch fox news.
This is why you never go full partisan: it makes you say really stupid shit. I'm a socialist, you dumbass, and the last network I watch is Fox News. All you're doing is mindlessly repeating the 2003 trope that anyone who questioned the Iraq war was a Saddam Lover, with different variables.
But for the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Administration actually presented evidence. It was either shit evidence or faked, but it was actually presented. Now the public is being fed a similar tall tale by the same group of compulsive liarswithout any evidence whatsoever but you Charlie Browns are just eating that shit up. With a spoon.
Which is an utterly worthless talking point at best, and outright sophistry at worst. There is no such thing as a popular vote for president in the United States. With the EC, millions of people stay home or vote third party because they live in a partisan state and the outcome is a foregone conclusion. If presidents were elected based on a popular vote (and they should be) races would be conducted entirely differently and voters would respond entirely differently. People who would ordinarily stay home would show up at polls because each and every vote would actually matter. People who would normally vote for Libertarians or Greens as a protest vote would instead cast their ballot for one of the main parties, because their vote would actually matter.
Trump didn't bother to campaign in CA and NY - where Hillary's margin of "victory" comes from - because he knew he had no chance at those electoral votes. Instead, he went to the Rust Belt and asked those voters to come out for him, states where Mrs. Nafta decided it would be a great idea to no-show.
Except there are over 30 indictments and five guilty pleas and counting.
None of which have anything to do with Trump or Russiagate in general. You know that the Whitewater investigation produced fifteen convictions - does that mean that the investigation wasn't a pile of partisan bulllllllshit crafted by opponents of a president they just didn't like?
Indictments that have nothing whatsoever to do with Russiagate or Trump. You know that Whitewater produced 15 indictments, yes? Indictments that had nothing to do with Bill or Hillary Clinton? So, Dembot, call Ken Starr and see if he's available for another witch hunt.
But you've got to be intentionally deluding yourself if you think Trump wasn't in on it.
Because Trump is a fucking idiot. If he was "in on it", so was the FBI/NSA/CIA, who moled Trump's campaign and wiretapped it before they had any excuse for an investigation. Which means Mueller would have had this evidence, in which case he would have presented the evidence to Congress and you would have had articles of impeachment two fucking years ago. The rest of your post is the tired old Gish Gallop that proponents of weak or cultist ideas are prone to use:
The term Gish gallop refers to a fallacious debate tactic in which one barrages one's opposition with a deluge of individually weak arguments which take far too long to debunk individually in a way that sustains the audience's interest. This is all Russiagate amounts to. When Russiagaters tell you that there's "too much smoke for there not to be fire", they are unwittingly telling you "I've been won over by a Gish gallop fallacy." Every single aspect of their argument can be easily debunked without exception, but since there's so much of it and since pundits are assuring them of its reality so confidently, they believe.
Every few weeks there's some major new "bombshell" revelation which Russiagaters get all excited about, only to have people read the actual information in the "bombshell" and find out it's not actually anything incriminating or particularly remarkable. Take all those "bombshells" together, though, and you create the illusion of something real. That's all this nonsense is.
Most people didn't want his equally atrocious opponent in the general election.
He has no popular mandate for his 'policy'.
Never said he did. You do know that having a functioning bullshit detector on the dumbest conspiracy theory of all time doesn't make one a Trump supporter, yes?
Lie about birth certificates all you want
Never have. I bring them up because Russigaters have as much evidence for their theories as the Birthers do for theirs.
Uh huh. You meet for coffee on Tuesday's with some Birthers, who are also convinced that just any day now, proof will emerge that Obama really was born in Kenya?
Investigations into Whitewater uncovered real wrongdoing. Fifteen people, in total, were convicted of various charges. The McDougals were convicted of fraud, as was Jim Guy Tucker, Clinton's successor as governor of Arkansas. Webster Hubbell, a law partner of Hillary's who served in the Clinton Justice Department, pleaded guilty to fraud charges. But ultimately, none of the many investigations into Whitewater â" including, most famously, one by independent counsel Kenneth Starr â" found that the Clintons did anything criminal. The conclusion was that it's likelier they were victims of Jim McDougal's malfeasance than that they were co-conspirators.
And none of Mueller's indictments have anything to do with Trump or Russiagate. So far you're 0 for 2, one more and you're out.
And Comey basically threw the election to Trump by reopening the Clinton investigation in late October.
Comey covered for Hillary's criminal, hypocritical, incompetent ass by whitewashing her email server problem while at the same time the DOJ was prosecuting Kristian Saucier for taking unauthorized selfies on a sub. If her name was Hillary Smith she'd be looking at least a decade in prison for obstruction of justice charges alone, for destroying evidence while under investigation. Dembots shouldn't be throwing stones at Comey, they should be giving him daily blowjobs for the rest of his life for keeping their nominee out of a prison cell.
It was really a smart move by Putin. For the many bad things you can say about Putin, you can't call him stupid.
Right - but I can sure call you stupid, you and every other Russiagater. How is it that Putin was so clever and crafty that he knew years in advance that a failed businessman and WWE character could be president, but yet dumb enough not to predict any blowback, and dumb enough to collude with someone as dumb as Trump. Which means the FBI/CIA/NSA would also know of said collusion in real time, which would mean so would President Hillary, as the election was hers to lose until Mrs. Nafta decided it would be a brilliant idea to no-show in the Rust Belt. The same Hillary that campaigned on shooting down Russian jets over Syria.
Then there's the fact that both parties have been extremely anti-Russian for over a century. It's like a conspiracy theory of a gay person interfering in an election between an extremely homophobic Mormon and an extremely homophobic Catholic.
Never mind that you have no idea what evidence Mueller has
We know exactly what Mueller has: jack and shit, and Jack left town. It's been two fucking years, and not one iota of probable suspicion has been presented, much less probable cause. None of Mueller's indictments have anything to do with Russian interference in the election or colluding with Trump to do so. He's never indicted Cambridge Analytics despite the foreign company outright bragging about interfering in American elections, or for Hillary paying foreign intelligence agents for dirt on an opponent (the Steele Dossier).
This is your Whtiewater investigation, your Benghazi. Just make the circle complete and hire Ken Starr to manufacturer a perjury charge against Trump for the Stormy Daniels affair.
Considering what comes out of peoples mouths when they explain why they voted for Trump or still support him
That entire line of argumentation is invalid, given the party Trump was running against. No one is better at stabbing their voters in the back than Democrats are, but you wouldn't see the incessant "just LOOK what the president has done, Hillary voters!!!!" if she had won.
I don't think these attacks on the EC are well justified because the founders were quite clear that one of the main purposes of the EC was to prevent presidents like Trump
The "Founders" created the EC for the same reason they had state governments elect Senators and only gave white male property owners the right to vote: they were elitist pricks who wanted to present the illusion of a representative democracy, while creating an oligarchy ruled by an aristocracy in all but inherited title. They were deathly afraid of "the mob" having any kind of say, otherwise known as poor and working people having input on their own governance or self-determination.
Give it time, it's still early days. Watergate took 4 years, Iran Contra took over six.
Those investigations started in response to known crimes. Whereas this investigation is still in search of a crime....like Whitewater. This is nothing more than Democratic revenge for the years of horseshit investigations of Bill Clinton. You should go all out and hire Ken Starr to try and manufacturer a perjury charge on Stormy Daniels.
I don't think anyone is surprised that Russia is attacking us.
You should be, given the fact that both parties have been openly and extremely anti-Russian for over a century. May as well suspect a gay person of trying to interfere in an election between a rabidly homophobic Mormon and a rabidly homophobic Catholic.
No such thing as popular vote in the United States. Trump didn't bother to campaign in New York and California - where Hillary's margin of "victory" comes from - because he knew he wouldn't win either state. Instead, he went to the Rust Belt - where Hillary didn't bother to campaign - to ask people for their vote. If presidential elections were decided by a popular vote (and they should be) it would have been a completely different race, with completely different results. Millions of Republicans stayed home in California and New York, or voted Libertarian. Same for Democrats in states like Texas and the Green Party.
So, talking about the popular vote is not just pointless, it's outright misleading.
The only way there ius no evidence is if you have no intention of believing it. That's okay - there are people who believe there was no moon landing, that 9-11 was an inside job, that Ted Cruz'z father helped kill JFK, that the Kenyan Terror baby was born in Kenya, that Bill Clinton sent his Arkansas bodyguards to be killed at wake, the Clinton's have killed 50 plus people now, that FDR ignored the radar in Hawaii, and all manner of conspiracy theories.
That's nice, except for the fact you have that completely and utterly backwards. Russiagaters have as much evidence for their theories that the Birthers do that Obama was born in Kenya and is a muslim. Facts.
Here in the US, we refer to those technicalities as "felonies".
Uh huh. You guys should go all out and hire Ken Starr to interrogate Trump on the Stormy Daniels affair, and then indict him for perjury at the first pretense.
This is no your local PD pissin around, these are people who have worked on this for their career.
People who have never bothered to examine the DNC servers first hand. Which either means they are too incompetent to be running this investigation, or this investigation was a farce from the beginning.
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There is no popular contest for president, so there is no popular vote. It's a meaningless number, as meaningless as talking about Hillary's popular vote "victory" in the primary when that ignores caucus states. And in Hillary's case her general election "victory" comes almost entirely from just two states, NY and CA. The only vote that matters is the one in the Electoral College, and candidates campaign accordingly - unless you're as incompetent as Hillary, and don't bother to show up in any of the states between Pennsylvania and Iowa. Hell, she even came within 50,000 votes of losing Minnesota, the only state to vote against Reagan in both of his elections.
Again, fixed.
Russiagaters keep saying that as if its supposed to mean something. It means nothing when Mueller hasn't even established probable suspicion of any Russian interference or collusion with Trump, much less probable cause.
You need a picture drawn with crayons? Whitewater was a bullshit partisan witch hunt - and so is Russiagate. Let's cut to the chase: Mueller has never bothered to examine the DNC servers, the alleged hacking of which is the entire foundation of Russiagate. And if he cared about election interference, he'd be going after Hillary for doing in fact what Trump has thus far been baselessly accused of: colluding with foreign intelligence agents to swing a general election (paying for Steele Dossier). Nor has he gone after Cambridge Analytics, when that foreign company has outright bragged about changing election results in the US. And he was caught completely unprepared when the Twitter troll farm actually sent lawyers to challenge his claims in court.
So either Mueller is so incompetent he couldn't find his ass with both hands and assistance from three interns, or this investigation was a farce from the very beginning. Pick one.
If the the Feds had shit, they would have presented it years ago. This investigation isn't about finding evidence for a crime, as there never was any probable suspicion of one in the first place - just a so-lame-it-wouldn't-have-passed-for-a-bad-80's-action-movie excuse from the DNC for losing the most winnable race in history. It's about the deep state reminding a game show host president who's boss.
Good, I was running low on toilet paper. Look, clown shoes, Mueller has never bothered to have the FBI examine the DNC servers, the alleged hacking of which makes up the foundation of Russiagate. Which either means that Mueller is so unbelievably incompetent he shouldn't be left alone with the office Keurig machine least he burn the place down, or this was never a real investigation to begin with.
Pick. One.
This is why you never go full partisan: it makes you say really stupid shit. I'm a socialist, you dumbass, and the last network I watch is Fox News. All you're doing is mindlessly repeating the 2003 trope that anyone who questioned the Iraq war was a Saddam Lover, with different variables.
But for the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Administration actually presented evidence. It was either shit evidence or faked, but it was actually presented. Now the public is being fed a similar tall tale by the same group of compulsive liars without any evidence whatsoever but you Charlie Browns are just eating that shit up. With a spoon.
Which is an utterly worthless talking point at best, and outright sophistry at worst. There is no such thing as a popular vote for president in the United States. With the EC, millions of people stay home or vote third party because they live in a partisan state and the outcome is a foregone conclusion. If presidents were elected based on a popular vote (and they should be) races would be conducted entirely differently and voters would respond entirely differently. People who would ordinarily stay home would show up at polls because each and every vote would actually matter. People who would normally vote for Libertarians or Greens as a protest vote would instead cast their ballot for one of the main parties, because their vote would actually matter.
Trump didn't bother to campaign in CA and NY - where Hillary's margin of "victory" comes from - because he knew he had no chance at those electoral votes. Instead, he went to the Rust Belt and asked those voters to come out for him, states where Mrs. Nafta decided it would be a great idea to no-show.
None of which have anything to do with Trump or Russiagate in general. You know that the Whitewater investigation produced fifteen convictions - does that mean that the investigation wasn't a pile of partisan bulllllllshit crafted by opponents of a president they just didn't like?
Indictments that have nothing whatsoever to do with Russiagate or Trump. You know that Whitewater produced 15 indictments, yes? Indictments that had nothing to do with Bill or Hillary Clinton? So, Dembot, call Ken Starr and see if he's available for another witch hunt.
Because Trump is a fucking idiot. If he was "in on it", so was the FBI/NSA/CIA, who moled Trump's campaign and wiretapped it before they had any excuse for an investigation. Which means Mueller would have had this evidence, in which case he would have presented the evidence to Congress and you would have had articles of impeachment two fucking years ago. The rest of your post is the tired old Gish Gallop that proponents of weak or cultist ideas are prone to use:
Most people didn't want his equally atrocious opponent in the general election.
Never said he did. You do know that having a functioning bullshit detector on the dumbest conspiracy theory of all time doesn't make one a Trump supporter, yes?
Never have. I bring them up because Russigaters have as much evidence for their theories as the Birthers do for theirs.
Uh huh. You meet for coffee on Tuesday's with some Birthers, who are also convinced that just any day now, proof will emerge that Obama really was born in Kenya?
Any day now...
None? Try FIFTEEN, kemosabe.
And none of Mueller's indictments have anything to do with Trump or Russiagate. So far you're 0 for 2, one more and you're out.
Comey covered for Hillary's criminal, hypocritical, incompetent ass by whitewashing her email server problem while at the same time the DOJ was prosecuting Kristian Saucier for taking unauthorized selfies on a sub. If her name was Hillary Smith she'd be looking at least a decade in prison for obstruction of justice charges alone, for destroying evidence while under investigation. Dembots shouldn't be throwing stones at Comey, they should be giving him daily blowjobs for the rest of his life for keeping their nominee out of a prison cell.
Because Russiagaters have as much evidence that Russia did squat as Chem Trailers do that the CIA is putting mind-controlling gas in jet fuel.
If they were that good, you'd have President Sanders right now. You don't.
Right - but I can sure call you stupid, you and every other Russiagater. How is it that Putin was so clever and crafty that he knew years in advance that a failed businessman and WWE character could be president, but yet dumb enough not to predict any blowback, and dumb enough to collude with someone as dumb as Trump. Which means the FBI/CIA/NSA would also know of said collusion in real time, which would mean so would President Hillary, as the election was hers to lose until Mrs. Nafta decided it would be a brilliant idea to no-show in the Rust Belt. The same Hillary that campaigned on shooting down Russian jets over Syria.
Then there's the fact that both parties have been extremely anti-Russian for over a century. It's like a conspiracy theory of a gay person interfering in an election between an extremely homophobic Mormon and an extremely homophobic Catholic.
You recycle that line from 2003, when you were running around calling skeptics of Iraqi WMD's supporters of Saddam?
We know exactly what Mueller has: jack and shit, and Jack left town. It's been two fucking years, and not one iota of probable suspicion has been presented, much less probable cause. None of Mueller's indictments have anything to do with Russian interference in the election or colluding with Trump to do so. He's never indicted Cambridge Analytics despite the foreign company outright bragging about interfering in American elections, or for Hillary paying foreign intelligence agents for dirt on an opponent (the Steele Dossier).
This is your Whtiewater investigation, your Benghazi. Just make the circle complete and hire Ken Starr to manufacturer a perjury charge against Trump for the Stormy Daniels affair.
That entire line of argumentation is invalid, given the party Trump was running against. No one is better at stabbing their voters in the back than Democrats are, but you wouldn't see the incessant "just LOOK what the president has done, Hillary voters!!!!" if she had won.
The "Founders" created the EC for the same reason they had state governments elect Senators and only gave white male property owners the right to vote: they were elitist pricks who wanted to present the illusion of a representative democracy, while creating an oligarchy ruled by an aristocracy in all but inherited title. They were deathly afraid of "the mob" having any kind of say, otherwise known as poor and working people having input on their own governance or self-determination.
Those investigations started in response to known crimes. Whereas this investigation is still in search of a crime....like Whitewater. This is nothing more than Democratic revenge for the years of horseshit investigations of Bill Clinton. You should go all out and hire Ken Starr to try and manufacturer a perjury charge on Stormy Daniels.
You should be, given the fact that both parties have been openly and extremely anti-Russian for over a century. May as well suspect a gay person of trying to interfere in an election between a rabidly homophobic Mormon and a rabidly homophobic Catholic.
No such thing as popular vote in the United States. Trump didn't bother to campaign in New York and California - where Hillary's margin of "victory" comes from - because he knew he wouldn't win either state. Instead, he went to the Rust Belt - where Hillary didn't bother to campaign - to ask people for their vote. If presidential elections were decided by a popular vote (and they should be) it would have been a completely different race, with completely different results. Millions of Republicans stayed home in California and New York, or voted Libertarian. Same for Democrats in states like Texas and the Green Party.
So, talking about the popular vote is not just pointless, it's outright misleading.
That's nice, except for the fact you have that completely and utterly backwards. Russiagaters have as much evidence for their theories that the Birthers do that Obama was born in Kenya and is a muslim. Facts.
Uh huh. You guys should go all out and hire Ken Starr to interrogate Trump on the Stormy Daniels affair, and then indict him for perjury at the first pretense.
Which are all:
1) Complete bullshit
2) Have nothing to do with Trump colluding with Russia. Which is the entire basis for Mueller's witch hunt.
People who have never bothered to examine the DNC servers first hand. Which either means they are too incompetent to be running this investigation, or this investigation was a farce from the beginning.
Pick one.
If you're completely incompetent and willfully clueless, I supposed you could see it that way.