Not only can they not prevent wide-ranging conspiracies (911 and other terrorist attacks) they can't even detect and shut down foreign Stingrays? More likely, this is a case of:
1) More calling wolf, like the accusation that Russia hacked an electrical grid, which turned out to be crap
2) It's more Five Eyes bullshit. The NSA knows perfectly well that these are devices installed by foreign governments - because the NSA helped Australia, Canada or the UK set them up in the first place to get around the 4th Amendment.
Uh huh. Can you even name a car company with production vehicles that isn't using li-ion? Can you even name a company talking about making big EV investments (like Ford) that isn't planning on using li-ion in the immediate future? Proof-of-concept and vaporware doesn't count for obvious reasons.
Irrelevant. It doesn't matter what they've been spending their money on if they are unable to pay their bills.
Of course it matters. If Toyota, Ford, BMW etc were young motor companies instead of being around for a hundred years, they would be in the red as well. Because it takes serious capital investments to build up a new manufacturer from nothing, plus a network of fast-charging stations.
Tesla has an actual business model, as opposed to Uber that will completely implode if self-driving technology doesn't evolve fast enough for them to drive taxi and shipping companies out of business. Obviously Tesla shareholders are hoping that they will be more like Amazon, which operated on losses for a decade before turning a (tiny) profit. And yes, Tesla has their fingers in different pies, just like Amazon - maybe their battery factories or fast-charging network will be their AWS cash cow.
Worst-case scenario, a large auto company yet to make a bet on EV's buys out the Tesla name and infrastructure, like Honda.
lol. Gotta love the mental gymnastics of the Apple hatebois. Truly a sight to behold.
FTFY, as you completely ignored the fact that Samsung phones shattered instead of bending at the same pressure, at the same time Bendghazi was going on. No one cared because Apple wasn't involved.
But FYI, the 'holding it wrong' thing was Steve Jobs, not Samsung.
Nope. FIVE Samsung phones on the first page alone - but you hatebois are still fucking the iPhone 4 chicken.
Such a non-response that I'll copy and paste, since you didn't address it the first time: Tesla has been "running out of money" because they've invested profits plus investor money in the business. They aren't sitting around spending billions on bleaching Elon's asshole, they could stop at any time and just focus on what they already have.
Hell, just look at Uber, that has yet to come up with a viable business model and yet they're able to throw billions in a dumpster every year and set it on fire. If self-driving technology doesn't advance fast enough for them to put taxis and trucking companies out of business, they're screwed. Whereas Tesla is building out their capacity and investing in R&D now that will pay off later.
So it suddenly makes sense for much, much, much larger auto companies to stick with li-ion, but Tesla should bet it all on al-ion (or whatever)? Oookay.
Except Tesla has been "running out of money" because they've invested profits plus investor money in the business. They aren't sitting around spending billions on bleaching Elon's asshole, they could stop at any time and just focus on what they already have.
If you told Birthers that you thought Obama was born in Hawaii, not Kenya, did that mean you supported all his bank bailouts and drone strikes? Basic logic fail. I have a functioning BS detector and it goes off no matter the source or the target. You also skipped the issue of it's all about cults, why is it that a company with better prices and/or products hasn't made their own cult and driven Apple out of business.
Also recall the history, the Soviets did some horrific things to Ukraine
90% of which is western propaganda, and nothing compared to what Nazi Germany did when they invaded the USSR. Some of the things you're complaining about were greatly expanded rights for women, universal health care, and quadrupling the country's industrial output. And yet your government is arming neo-Nazis now, interesting. And even the stuff you're complaining about is a century old at this point - how much time shall we spend on American slavery or the million people killed in the occupation of the Philippines?
How is is totally legit for the U.S. to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine, yet totally illegitimate for Russia to accept Crimea's vote to be annexed.
Yeah... you're not even taking this seriously.
You talking to the nearest mirror? So you'd be perfectly OK if Russia had actually tried to interfere in the French election, as opposed to that idea being directly debunked by French intelligence services.
You'd be OK if Russia spent $5 billion USD to overthrow said French government, with help from literal neo-Nazis.
You'd be OK if Russia instantly stepped in and gave billions more to the junta.
You'd be OK if Russia immediately started to bring France into a western-hostile alliance, and start sending weapons that were pointed to the U.K.
You'd be OK if Russia responded to any western country protesting this or supporting the legitimate French government by slapping sanctions on them.
You'd be OK if Russia freaked the hell out over a few thousand dollars in Facebook ads in a Russian election that cost almost $10 billion USD and applied more sanctions.
LOL We are not still spreading around that "only 6 iphones bent" lie are we?
Wasn't a lie when Bendghazi was raging - of course more people would have bent them by now with many millions of them floating around. And hello, Earth to hateboi - the first large screen format phone, from Samsung shattered instead of bending. No one GAF because Apple wasn't involved.
Carbon nano-tube based super capacitors with more capacity than lithium ion for weight, or lithium air which is inherently more stable in the event of accidents (no explosions of the metal), or the aluminum ion which is significantly cheaper to produce than lithium ion and has no significant supply bottlenecks at any level. The Consumer Electronics Show in January showcased the Fisker battery in his luxury sedan electric car.
It's all still vaporware, promising as some of it may be, versus proven products in mass production. The possible future savings of aluminum etc being Y% more efficient doesn't help Tesla clear up their backlog - it would only add to it. And until economics of scale catch up, switching to an eventually-cheaper option would add to an already pricey pricetag.
Hell, Toyota only started warming up to lithium ion in 20 freaking 16, and they're the largest single automaker on the planet.
But many approach purchase of Apple products like they do their politics- it's a cult/sports team.
If it's all about a "cult" built on advertising to sell mediocre stuff to rubes, why is it that another company with better products didn't get their own advertising campaign, and put Apple out of business by the end of the Carter Administration?
There is a set of people who do have completely irrational feelings towards Apple, Inc....but they don't buy Apple products.
or if there weren't a lot of other people on the internet complaining about the same issue
Keep in mind the Hatorade Distortion Field that blows the smallest molehill into the biggest mountain if Apple is involved. Or the awesomely named Bendghazi, where Apple was able to find all of....six people with bent iPhone 6's. Samsung - the head company of "don't hold it wrong" phones, see link above - made a phone that shattered rather than bent under the same pressure and no one cared.
Your mistake was in thinking we are their customers.
Uh, except if you buy an Apple product you are their customer by definition. As opposed to Facebook or Google, where you are by definition the product.
So they should go with vaporware over what's proven, moreso when they have other production issues to worry about. Golly gee, why don't you have your own auto company by now? And I'm sure it's never occurred to anyone at Tesla that there may be better tech in the future than li-ion. And when it's proven, they'll just have to build a whole new factory and burn the current one down to the ground because it would be totally useless.
Amazon still makes almost nothing from online retail. Almost all of the profit comes from AWS.
Tesla also has their fingers in many pies. Maybe battery, solar panel production or short haul freight will be their AWS in the future.
Tesla won't ever make back the billions invested into its factories.
If Ford was a young motor company, they would also likely be operating a loss while trying to plan future business. Ditto that for Nissan, BMW, etc etc.
if any competitive advantage that couldn't be easily overcome by its competitors
So easy to do, yet no one has done it yet. Sure, I've seen the same announcements that Ford plans to invest billions in EV vehicles and Volvo has plans to stop building ICE cars entirely - but at this point its all vaporware.
You mean he's going with existing, proven battery tech instead of relying on vaporware? And Tesla haters were complaining about the company's current production issues.
Keepin the hope alive worked out for Amazon shareholders
The fact that it worked for Amazon has no bearing on whether it will work for any other company. Do you remember the dot com bubble? Maybe you are too young, but that was a time in the late 90's when shareholders in lots of companies kept the hope alive, much like Amazon. Most of those companies no longer exist.
Ageist speculation has no bearing on the hopes of Tesla shareholders, of which I am not a member. Like the rest of the stock market, they are gambling that investments now will pay off in the future. As for dot com comparisons, Tesla is the only company that is all-in on EV's. The rest of the industry seems to be using Balmer's "last to cool, first to profit" mantra on mobile devices on cars, but we know how well that worked out for Microsoft.
Amazon had a truly disruptive business model. Tesla is just a car manufacturer. Worse,, it is a car manufacturer run by somebody who doesn't know how to build cars. I'll bet the shirt off my back that the problems with the model 3 production line were caused by engineers cutting corners at the behest of Elon Musk
It's not like Tesla is spending billions bleaching Elon's asshole. They're making hard investments in batteries, charging stations, solar panels, autonomous driving and car components that will pay off for the company even if the company remains a niche player or exits the direct manufacturing of EV vehicles themselves. If Toyota had started in 2003 instead of 1937, they might also be in the red as they invested in the future of the company - suffering their share of missteps along the way.
I can't fathom how you can rationalise that its okay
Who said it was? The point is that the two accidents are not equivalent. I've defended the human minder in the Uber accident as humans simply aren't built to focus on mundane details for hours at a time, without any interaction. That wouldn't be the case if the Uber car had been trying to alert her but she ignored the warnings to use her cell phone.
You're allowed to cream over that buffoon all you want, but please let's stop pretending that there are "facts" supporting your worshipping.
Says the guy tossing the CIA's salad:
1) The women went to authorities not with rape accusations but to ask for an STD test 2) The state investigated the situation and cleared Assange to leave the country 3) Another, politically connected prosecutor steps in and starts throwing around the "R" word 4) Assange agrees to return to Sweden but wants a promise he wont be handed over to the United States, as Sweden has kidnapped people to be tortured by the CIA. Sweden continues to refuse that request to this day.
#4 alone means you and every other Assange hater is engaging in willful dumbfuckery. If this is really about a rape allegation and not a pretext to get Assange in U.S. custody, then let it be about rape allegations, for which Sweden's statute of limitations doesn't run out until 2020. And this was all old news five years ago - but now we can also add:
5) The UK government pressured Sweden to keep up the investigation and continues to spend large amounts of money on a police presence for what is now a bail jumping case 6) The case of Gottfrid Svartholm is the nail in your gaslighting coffin. Sweden goes to great lengths to have a Pirate Bay founder arrested in a non-extradition country on copyright charges. But as soon as he arrives in Sweden he is interrogated for weeks, in solitary confinement, without a lawyer or outside contact for an alleged crime in another country. And later on he is deported to said country where he is imprisoned.
Back to #4. Even if you think Assange is full of shit on returning to Sweden voluntarily if they give him a no-extradition promise, the threat of that possibility is what got Assange asylum from Ecuador. You take that threat off the table, Ecuador no longer has a reason to continue that asylum. Sweden could have taken care of this with the stroke of a pen waaay back in 2011, saving UK police millions of pounds in the process - also old news for anyone who doesn't have a hole in their heads. So are you gonna pull yours out now, or go on buying ranch dressing by the barrel?
Maybe he didn't know at the time of Sweden's penchant for kidnapping people for the CIA's benefit. Or that while Sweden has a reputation for being all socialisticy on their health care and education systems, their criminal justice system is positively medieval in how suspects can be held in solitary confinement for questioning, with no outside contact.
He has to. Tesla is on the brink of going under and unless he gets more cash to keep the business going, it'll be bust by the end of the year.
Keepin the hope alive worked out for Amazon shareholders, Tesla stock owners are hoping for the same. Yeah, sure, Ford is talking about how they're planning on spending billions on EV's and Volvo has plans to ditch gas vehicles entirely - but at this point they're just plans. They could also enter a partnership with another automaker if necessary, like Honda.
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Not only can they not prevent wide-ranging conspiracies (911 and other terrorist attacks) they can't even detect and shut down foreign Stingrays? More likely, this is a case of:
1) More calling wolf, like the accusation that Russia hacked an electrical grid, which turned out to be crap
2) It's more Five Eyes bullshit. The NSA knows perfectly well that these are devices installed by foreign governments - because the NSA helped Australia, Canada or the UK set them up in the first place to get around the 4th Amendment.
Uh huh. Can you even name a car company with production vehicles that isn't using li-ion? Can you even name a company talking about making big EV investments (like Ford) that isn't planning on using li-ion in the immediate future? Proof-of-concept and vaporware doesn't count for obvious reasons.
Of course it matters. If Toyota, Ford, BMW etc were young motor companies instead of being around for a hundred years, they would be in the red as well. Because it takes serious capital investments to build up a new manufacturer from nothing, plus a network of fast-charging stations.
Tesla has an actual business model, as opposed to Uber that will completely implode if self-driving technology doesn't evolve fast enough for them to drive taxi and shipping companies out of business. Obviously Tesla shareholders are hoping that they will be more like Amazon, which operated on losses for a decade before turning a (tiny) profit. And yes, Tesla has their fingers in different pies, just like Amazon - maybe their battery factories or fast-charging network will be their AWS cash cow.
Worst-case scenario, a large auto company yet to make a bet on EV's buys out the Tesla name and infrastructure, like Honda.
FTFY, as you completely ignored the fact that Samsung phones shattered instead of bending at the same pressure, at the same time Bendghazi was going on. No one cared because Apple wasn't involved.
Nope. FIVE Samsung phones on the first page alone - but you hatebois are still fucking the iPhone 4 chicken.
Such a non-response that I'll copy and paste, since you didn't address it the first time: Tesla has been "running out of money" because they've invested profits plus investor money in the business. They aren't sitting around spending billions on bleaching Elon's asshole, they could stop at any time and just focus on what they already have.
Hell, just look at Uber, that has yet to come up with a viable business model and yet they're able to throw billions in a dumpster every year and set it on fire. If self-driving technology doesn't advance fast enough for them to put taxis and trucking companies out of business, they're screwed. Whereas Tesla is building out their capacity and investing in R&D now that will pay off later.
So it suddenly makes sense for much, much, much larger auto companies to stick with li-ion, but Tesla should bet it all on al-ion (or whatever)? Oookay.
Except Tesla has been "running out of money" because they've invested profits plus investor money in the business. They aren't sitting around spending billions on bleaching Elon's asshole, they could stop at any time and just focus on what they already have.
Not much being paid out right now for hit pieces on Julian Assange, gotta make the rent somehow.
The Nissan that's still shipping the Leaf with lithium-ion batteries, whatever the source is?
Oookay.
If you told Birthers that you thought Obama was born in Hawaii, not Kenya, did that mean you supported all his bank bailouts and drone strikes? Basic logic fail. I have a functioning BS detector and it goes off no matter the source or the target. You also skipped the issue of it's all about cults, why is it that a company with better prices and/or products hasn't made their own cult and driven Apple out of business.
90% of which is western propaganda, and nothing compared to what Nazi Germany did when they invaded the USSR. Some of the things you're complaining about were greatly expanded rights for women, universal health care, and quadrupling the country's industrial output. And yet your government is arming neo-Nazis now, interesting. And even the stuff you're complaining about is a century old at this point - how much time shall we spend on American slavery or the million people killed in the occupation of the Philippines?
You talking to the nearest mirror? So you'd be perfectly OK if Russia had actually tried to interfere in the French election, as opposed to that idea being directly debunked by French intelligence services.
You'd be OK if Russia spent $5 billion USD to overthrow said French government, with help from literal neo-Nazis.
You'd be OK if Russia instantly stepped in and gave billions more to the junta.
You'd be OK if Russia immediately started to bring France into a western-hostile alliance, and start sending weapons that were pointed to the U.K.
You'd be OK if Russia responded to any western country protesting this or supporting the legitimate French government by slapping sanctions on them.
You'd be OK if Russia freaked the hell out over a few thousand dollars in Facebook ads in a Russian election that cost almost $10 billion USD and applied more sanctions.
OK. If you say so.
Wasn't a lie when Bendghazi was raging - of course more people would have bent them by now with many millions of them floating around. And hello, Earth to hateboi - the first large screen format phone, from Samsung shattered instead of bending. No one GAF because Apple wasn't involved.
Yep, just not the one you think. I call it the Hatorade Distortion Field.
It's all still vaporware, promising as some of it may be, versus proven products in mass production. The possible future savings of aluminum etc being Y% more efficient doesn't help Tesla clear up their backlog - it would only add to it. And until economics of scale catch up, switching to an eventually-cheaper option would add to an already pricey pricetag.
Hell, Toyota only started warming up to lithium ion in 20 freaking 16, and they're the largest single automaker on the planet.
If it's all about a "cult" built on advertising to sell mediocre stuff to rubes, why is it that another company with better products didn't get their own advertising campaign, and put Apple out of business by the end of the Carter Administration?
There is a set of people who do have completely irrational feelings towards Apple, Inc....but they don't buy Apple products.
Keep in mind the Hatorade Distortion Field that blows the smallest molehill into the biggest mountain if Apple is involved. Or the awesomely named Bendghazi, where Apple was able to find all of....six people with bent iPhone 6's. Samsung - the head company of "don't hold it wrong" phones, see link above - made a phone that shattered rather than bent under the same pressure and no one cared.
Uh, except if you buy an Apple product you are their customer by definition. As opposed to Facebook or Google, where you are by definition the product.
So they should go with vaporware over what's proven, moreso when they have other production issues to worry about. Golly gee, why don't you have your own auto company by now? And I'm sure it's never occurred to anyone at Tesla that there may be better tech in the future than li-ion. And when it's proven, they'll just have to build a whole new factory and burn the current one down to the ground because it would be totally useless.
Or something.
Tesla also has their fingers in many pies. Maybe battery, solar panel production or short haul freight will be their AWS in the future.
If Ford was a young motor company, they would also likely be operating a loss while trying to plan future business. Ditto that for Nissan, BMW, etc etc.
So easy to do, yet no one has done it yet. Sure, I've seen the same announcements that Ford plans to invest billions in EV vehicles and Volvo has plans to stop building ICE cars entirely - but at this point its all vaporware.
You mean he's going with existing, proven battery tech instead of relying on vaporware? And Tesla haters were complaining about the company's current production issues.
Now, you were saying something about idiots?
Ageist speculation has no bearing on the hopes of Tesla shareholders, of which I am not a member. Like the rest of the stock market, they are gambling that investments now will pay off in the future. As for dot com comparisons, Tesla is the only company that is all-in on EV's. The rest of the industry seems to be using Balmer's "last to cool, first to profit" mantra on mobile devices on cars, but we know how well that worked out for Microsoft.
It's not like Tesla is spending billions bleaching Elon's asshole. They're making hard investments in batteries, charging stations, solar panels, autonomous driving and car components that will pay off for the company even if the company remains a niche player or exits the direct manufacturing of EV vehicles themselves. If Toyota had started in 2003 instead of 1937, they might also be in the red as they invested in the future of the company - suffering their share of missteps along the way.
Who said it was? The point is that the two accidents are not equivalent. I've defended the human minder in the Uber accident as humans simply aren't built to focus on mundane details for hours at a time, without any interaction. That wouldn't be the case if the Uber car had been trying to alert her but she ignored the warnings to use her cell phone.
Says the guy tossing the CIA's salad:
1) The women went to authorities not with rape accusations but to ask for an STD test
2) The state investigated the situation and cleared Assange to leave the country
3) Another, politically connected prosecutor steps in and starts throwing around the "R" word
4) Assange agrees to return to Sweden but wants a promise he wont be handed over to the United States, as Sweden has kidnapped people to be tortured by the CIA. Sweden continues to refuse that request to this day.
#4 alone means you and every other Assange hater is engaging in willful dumbfuckery. If this is really about a rape allegation and not a pretext to get Assange in U.S. custody, then let it be about rape allegations, for which Sweden's statute of limitations doesn't run out until 2020. And this was all old news five years ago - but now we can also add:
5) The UK government pressured Sweden to keep up the investigation and continues to spend large amounts of money on a police presence for what is now a bail jumping case
6) The case of Gottfrid Svartholm is the nail in your gaslighting coffin. Sweden goes to great lengths to have a Pirate Bay founder arrested in a non-extradition country on copyright charges. But as soon as he arrives in Sweden he is interrogated for weeks, in solitary confinement, without a lawyer or outside contact for an alleged crime in another country. And later on he is deported to said country where he is imprisoned.
Back to #4. Even if you think Assange is full of shit on returning to Sweden voluntarily if they give him a no-extradition promise, the threat of that possibility is what got Assange asylum from Ecuador. You take that threat off the table, Ecuador no longer has a reason to continue that asylum. Sweden could have taken care of this with the stroke of a pen waaay back in 2011, saving UK police millions of pounds in the process - also old news for anyone who doesn't have a hole in their heads. So are you gonna pull yours out now, or go on buying ranch dressing by the barrel?
Maybe he didn't know at the time of Sweden's penchant for kidnapping people for the CIA's benefit. Or that while Sweden has a reputation for being all socialisticy on their health care and education systems, their criminal justice system is positively medieval in how suspects can be held in solitary confinement for questioning, with no outside contact.
Keepin the hope alive worked out for Amazon shareholders, Tesla stock owners are hoping for the same. Yeah, sure, Ford is talking about how they're planning on spending billions on EV's and Volvo has plans to ditch gas vehicles entirely - but at this point they're just plans. They could also enter a partnership with another automaker if necessary, like Honda.