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US Suspects Listening Devices in Washington (apnews.com)
For the first time, the U.S. government has publicly acknowledged the existence in Washington of what appear to be rogue devices that foreign spies and criminal could be using to track individual cellphones and intercept calls and messages. From a report: The use of what are known as cellphone-site simulators by foreign powers has long been a concern, but American intelligence and law enforcement agencies -- which use such eavesdropping equipment themselves -- have been silent on the issue until now. In a March 26 letter to Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden, the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged that last year it identified suspected unauthorized cell-site simulators in the nation's capital. The agency said it had not determined the type of devices in use or who might have been operating them. Nor did it say how many it detected or where.
The agency's response, obtained by The Associated Press from Wyden's office, suggests little has been done about such equipment, known popularly as Stingrays after a brand common among U.S. police departments. The Federal Communications Commission, which regulates the nation's airwaves, formed a task force on the subject four years ago, but it never produced a report and no longer meets regularly. The devices work by tricking mobile devices into locking onto them instead of legitimate cell towers, revealing the exact location of a particular cellphone. More sophisticated versions can eavesdrop on calls by forcing phones to step down to older, unencrypted 2G wireless technology. Some attempt to plant malware.
The agency's response, obtained by The Associated Press from Wyden's office, suggests little has been done about such equipment, known popularly as Stingrays after a brand common among U.S. police departments. The Federal Communications Commission, which regulates the nation's airwaves, formed a task force on the subject four years ago, but it never produced a report and no longer meets regularly. The devices work by tricking mobile devices into locking onto them instead of legitimate cell towers, revealing the exact location of a particular cellphone. More sophisticated versions can eavesdrop on calls by forcing phones to step down to older, unencrypted 2G wireless technology. Some attempt to plant malware.
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Does the 'deep state' with its 'globalist' interests count as a foreign power yet?
Does the federal government count as a foreign power yet?
Because their interests probably don't align with yours.
Sure, it could be foreign agencies .. that's plausible.
It could also be that these groups found that every fucking law enforcement and government spy agency was doing so much of this shit they'd better just shut up about it and pretend it's all OK.
Face it, America ... you live in a surveillance state, and most of your Constitution is now optional.
Stop fucking claiming you still live in a free country, or don't live in an oligarchy which only really serves the interests of corporations and the wealthy -- because that hasn't been true in years.
"For the first time, the U.S. government has publicly acknowledged the existence in Washington of what appear to be rogue devices that foreign spies and criminal"
Why the fuck are there not certificates, authorities, etc., like SSL?
acknowledged the existence in Washington of what appear to be rogue devices that foreign spies and criminal.
That sentence sure went off the rails.
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
This is totally manipulating the general public. Let's create more fear... rather than let the intelligence agencies do their job.
Of course there are listening devices in Washington. They exist in Moscow as well- and all other countries.
Here's how it works:
Make people dumb everything down. Then scare the crap out of everyone. Then hold an election.
Works almost always.
Another consultant who stuck it out.
"We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx..."
I imagine it is just the Russians and Chinese trying to keep up with what the other is up to. Or maybe its just the Russians spying on the Russians. There can't be anything interesting happening there originating from US sources.
This is the original statement on which conjectures are based on:
>Department of Homeland Security acknowledged that last year it identified suspected unauthorized cell-site simulators in the nation’s capital. The agency said it had not determined the type of devices in use or who might have been operating them. Nor did it say how many it detected or where.
This statement suggests that someone in DHS Washington actually checked with every single signals intelligence agency in the country to ensure that whatever they found isn't one of their own.
Considering the competition between various agencies within the state of US, I strongly suspect that what actually happened is that they couldn't get anyone domestic they asked to admit to having planted whatever they found, so they're working on assumption that it must be foreign by default. While it's most likely planted by one of the agencies, which may not even know it's theirs on the top of bureaucratic chain, must less be able and willing to pass this information on to DHS.
I guess somebody detected an Alexa device from the owner of the Washington Post an got a paranoia seizure.
I used to service Motorola's cell service fleet cars. They are equipped with radio gear that pinpoint every cell tower with stats on a GPS map. This was 20 years ago and I'm sure they are better equipped to find rouge towers.
Homeland security saw the NSA's fake towers. The NSA of course was spying on their natural enemy...the Defense Recon Agency...who were keeping an eye on the DEA, who were trying to intercept and 'tax' CIA's cocaine money (who were already paying a tax to the DRA).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
mmm yes without the lube for everyone
They were set up by Melania. She's trying to keep an eye on Donald.
Have gnu, will travel.
The NSA is already listening to you anyway.
Department of Homeland Security acknowledged that last year it identified suspected unauthorized cell-site simulators in the nation's capital.
Ha ha
(in my best Nelson Muntz voice).
rouge towers huh, - that just has to be them commie pinkos...
Nullius in verba
Not like they are picking any up in Washington anyways.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
Sand is suspected on the beach.
One year ago, to the day ...
With a map of where the devices where, and all the probable parties that would be using them ... domestic and foreign, friendly or otherwise ...
CBC investigation finds cell phone trackers at work near Parliament Hill and embassies.
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What's surprising is how long it took you to figure it out.
Oh, and all your cloud storage and Bluetooth make it so easy.
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We live in an age in which the bluray disk that you buy in the store will only operate correctly in a bluray player and TV that have contain appropriate encryption keys, yet our cell phone network - arguably something in need of *more* protection - lacks even the most basic handshaking or authentication capabilities. As users of this technology, we should be demanding Industry Standards which allow us to control the digital keys of networks and that we trust, so that we can actually look at our handset and determine which tower a device has paired with.
This would not stop the authorities from conducting legal, authorized surveillance, because they could simply get a court order and have the appropriate tower operator[s] grant them access to the traffic. Unless, of course, they were conducting illegal surveillance of people and didn't have a court order, but that's hardly our problem...
In a similar fashion, there was nothing stopping the makers of the so-called Stingray and other devices from having a configurable operator setup process in which, before "standing up" in operating mode, the device requires the operator to provide the number of numbers of a finite [but reasonably] number of handsets that the Stingray is to track. Say, for example, the a maximum of 100 cell phones]. Because the internal working of the Stingray could be designed to only "pair" with handsets on the list, the Stingray could only include data from legitimate targets, thus narrowing the scope for warrantless surveillance.
Both of these techniques are entirely within our capability, today. Both would require only software changes [although I'd concede that the first is more of a protocol change].
The fact that neither of these are even being discussed - that in fact there is no discussion concerning what might need to be done to ensure that surveillance remains proportionate, limited, controlled and of identified targets - should be ringing alarm bells - and not because of some simplistic, idealistic, libertarian dogma.
All the evidence we have suggests that our security services are suffering from "data overload" - that whilst there might be valuable intelligence gathered today, our ability to sift it out of the noise is simply lacking. So far from limiting the ability of security services to "find the bad guys", steps like these would actually enhance our ability to do so, by helping to "filter out the noise".
Heh
Olphart at play. Ruck FepubliKKKans. Welcome to the Worldwide Idiocracy, y'all.
I don't understand this "yet" word that you're talking about. The entire Bill of Rights is written in a way that the mismatch in interests between the government and the people is explicit. You're talking about something that has been going on since at least 1791. We also know that the people in 1776 were aware of a mismatch too, because there's another document about that whole thing, dated from them (though in reference to a different government).
If this seems new to you, then I think I have figured out what is going on. I speculate that you are Joseph Curwen (or one of his friends), were confronted a few years before the revolution by a vigilante force who was scared/tired of your dubious pursuits, killed (supposed by that same posse, but I have heard some disturbing rumors suggesting otherwise) and recent resurrected. You are going to want to catch up before you post any more in public.
I'm thinking about how this played out over the phone after the DHS discovered the devices:
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Not only can they not prevent wide-ranging conspiracies (911 and other terrorist attacks) they can't even detect and shut down foreign Stingrays? More likely, this is a case of:
1) More calling wolf, like the accusation that Russia hacked an electrical grid, which turned out to be crap
2) It's more Five Eyes bullshit. The NSA knows perfectly well that these are devices installed by foreign governments - because the NSA helped Australia, Canada or the UK set them up in the first place to get around the 4th Amendment.
If the US has been caught spying on close allies like Germany and Israel, then you can reasonably assume that Russia, China, North Korea, and others are spying on the US. (we've caught Israel spying on the US for example)
At this point I assume that even the UK spies on the US. And that Sweden probably hosts spies from other countries at the Embassy of Sweden. I guess we all like keeping an eye on our friends and there is no such thing as absolute trust between nations.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Face it, America ... you live in a surveillance state, and most of your Constitution is now optional.
Comrade, we're doing a lot better than you. We still elect our leaders. Opposition figures aren't murdered by the ruling party. And we can speak out whenever we want without fear of ending up in a Siberian gulag.
Indeed. Espionage by other countries shouldn't make the top 100 concerns in the capital of one of the world's creepiest surveillance states.
Corporations are people too.
I hate to break it to you, but your current elected leader was brought in power with help from a country that includes Siberia and that does murder opposition figures.
Who needs a Siberian gulag, if they can gather around enough expensive advocates to hit someone with endless trials, until he/she is completely out of money. Really - If you are out of money and living on the streets, you are just as effectively neutralized as when they put you in a gulag. Those with money and power can rip somebody's life to shreds, and it's just just as effective as murdering him/her.
The style differs, but the effect is the same... Have no illusions about that.
Meh. Hyperbole much? In reality, rights aren't absolute. We've actually got pretty darn good privacy freedoms in the USA. It's just not an absolute right to privacy under ANY situation. Same for the right to free speech. Great freedom of speech, just not quite ANY speech in ANY situation. Same goes for freedom to bear arms, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, life, liberty happiness and all the rest. Not saying our country is perfect. Far from it. Lots of work to be done. We should call out problems when we see it. However, just cause something's less than perfect doesn't mean it's total crap. Lots of people on this forum tend to be binary - something is either perfect or worthless. Sorry, life is rarely black and white.
I hate to break it to you, but your current elected leader was brought in power with help from a country that includes Siberia and that does murder opposition figures.
Yes, mistakes were made.
Good thing you are posting as AC and not admitting what country you are from. Otherwise, I'd need to play a little game with you.
Who needs a Siberian gulag, if they can gather around enough expensive advocates to hit someone with endless trials, until he/she is completely out of money. Really - If you are out of money and living on the streets, you are just as effectively neutralized as when they put you in a gulag. Those with money and power can rip somebody's life to shreds, and it's just just as effective as murdering him/her.
That's weird. I'm speaking out against my highest elected official right now and I'm not subject to endless trials and I'm not living on the street.
Regardless, I don't even know what you are talking about. Opposition isn't destroyed though legal proceedings in the US. If anything it's the other way around: opposition can tie up the powers in place with legal proceedings.
I'd agree if others had free speech. First two amendments are key, in order. You lose the first, you need the second.
The good news out of Washington is that someone is listening to the electorate at last.
Nullius in verba
"For the first time, the U.S. government has publicly acknowledged the existence in Washington of what appear to be rogue devices that foreign spies and criminal could be using to track individual cellphones and intercept calls and messages"
The only people using Stingrays are the Washington police and the state security apparatus.
Stingray, the fake cell phone tower cops and carriers use to track your every move
Stingray I/II Ground Based Geo-Location (Vehicular)
..who are out to fuck EVERYONE. I'll take the organization I can change by voting, no shares required. kthx pud.
Keep sucking that corporate dick. It makes you look sooo smart!
Unfortunately you are talking to the hand with these people. They are truly shrill with their dogma. But, let's all remember the goal isn't to win (just the opposite, a lopsided congress makes it difficult to pass blame, best to keep it evenly divided), or actually do anything, but it is to keep the game running. *Slavery is Freedom*.
Even though you called it exactly as it went down, their dirty little secret remains safe. The elephant in the room will remain invisible. There is very little difference between Scientologists and democrat voters, especially the so-called 'liberal' that clings to Camelot. They will never acknowledge that it is still the party of George Wallace and Richard Daley.
Hows your YouTube free speech doing today?
About as good as the grocery shoppers in St. Petersburg last Christmas.
you see, do not do to others what you do not want to be done to you!!
Karma is a bitch!
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You can keep burying your head in the sand all you want but all you're doing is showing the rest of us your ass, Ostrich-man.
It's almost inevitable that everyone is spying on everyone else with these things.
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If it was foreign agencies the GCHQ, NSA, CIA, FBI, MI5 would all be sharing and looking globally.
The collection systems have 3 stories.
Criminals looking to track police, informants and city workers. To build a vast database of everyone working with and for police.
Every face, licence plate and their cell phones. Everyone in and out of city and federal buildings in real time.
Mulitnational companies tried of city and state regulations. Track every city worker and police to map out city enforcement.
Who is undercover for the city and who can the company avoid in real time.
Contractors who sold the US gov on voice prints, CCTV, cell phone collection. Build the networks and show the feds what can be done in real time as a sales presentation. Someone is now using that network for fun and profit.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You mean like those devices operating in US embassies pretty much everywhere?
Embassies always have secret service compartments inside. This is a well known fact after Snowden.
Huh?
You know most Americans don't follow local news in Russia. Unlike you, we have no reason to do so.
Ha ha. The reverse is more credible.
But the big kahuna have NSA to do this dirty tricks. Only doesn't "trust" them.
I can agree with that. The US respects the liberties of its citizens better than Russia or China (probably India, too, but I don't know enough about India to say); we're doing comparatively well.
That being said, a lot of the "binary" attitude comes from this type of exchange:
Alice: Hey, XYZ is a privacy problem in the US. We should do something about it.
Eve: Nonsense. It's not a problem -- they have it far worse in China.
Just, like, okay, we're doing better than China for human rights. Way to set a high bar, guys.
in English. Can we get rid of those who aren't?
Yes, Russia is worse. Somalia worse still. Congratulations, you win the Paralympic gold medal.
Now try running your comparison against able-bodied countries.