A different opinion is not inherent more valuable than a concurring one.
One could, however, argue that the fact that 2+2=4 is not an opinion, and therefore is not subject to disagreement, whereas something like, say, what the single largest cause of poor housing conditions in Sao Paulo, is.
Of course, then we have the question of where to draw the line between facts and opinions. I would suggest that if a student takes issue with a theorem derived from certain axioms (such as 2+2=4) that the student is free to attempt to disprove those axioms (i.e. show that they contradict each other), and if successful should indeed be given a good mark.;)
I think what the GP was talking about was students being able to submit their essay repeatedly until they got the mark they desired.
I doubt you're allowed to keep submitting the same essay until you're happy with your mark, so no, it is not effectively a filter for better papers unless, as the GP said, you get a copy of the program unconnected to a school system where the mark you get is applied to your academic record.
If a court tells you to do something, you have to do it or else they can punish you further. If you get a speeding ticket you can't just stop driving and the fine goes away.
That's very clearly NOT AT ALL what I'm talking about. The terms of the court order against MS are that it must provide a more friendly license in order to sell their product in the EU. They must comply with that. There is nothing forcing them to sell their product in the EU.
As long as they don't sell their product in the EU under a license unapproved of by the EU Commission they are abiding by the terms of the court order (since they obviously will or have paid the fine that was also part of the court order). Yes, they have already sold the product under the offending license, and yes, that license is not legally enforcable in the EU any longer, and yes, they must most likely provide a better license to the people that agreed to the first one. This is not, as you "VERY CLEARLY" suggested earlier, as if they are forced to both sell their product and provide a better license.
That is all. I'm sorry you're so upset. Let's all call it a day.
So you think the EU can order a US company to sell their product in the EU? I don't know where people get ideas like this.
If they decide never to sell their software again in the EU, that doesn't undo a court order, and that doesn't protect them from any of the above punishments.
None of those punishments have yet been inflicted upon MS. There is no court order like that to "undo". They already paid the fine that was in the court order. The above are the things that can happen to them if they continue to sell their software in the EU without complying with the other terms of the court order.
...they are hurting them by forcing them to use an inferior version of MS software compared to the rest of the world.
Can you not think of a single cost to the EU in allowing MS to impose whatever licensing restrictions they want on their software? Assuming you can, you must acknowledge that this is simply a case where the EU considers those costs to be greater than the benefits. If, on the other hand, you can't, you must not be up on current events, and probably haven't been for the last 5 years or so.
I'm not saying I think that EU is helping their people by imposing these restrictions (nor am I saying they're not...;) ) but you must recognize that it is normal for a government to act in its own best interests, and when it doesn't conflict, the best interests of its people.
the EU is really trying to see if they can push around a big US company and make it jump hoops.
Do you really think that is what this is about? It seems to me that there might be a little more at stake for the EU in allowing a foreign corporation to demand licensing terms that might be intended to recreate MS's US monopoly situation in the EU itself than the egos of those sitting in the commission. You can't argue that MS is purely benevolent, and so how can you not acknowledge that the EU might see something bad for them in MS's actions; and, having conceded that, how can you suggest that in the face of possible irreparable harm to their economy they are doing this because they think it may be fun?
As for the harm it could cause to the EU, think of the harm it has caused to firms competing with MS in non-OS markets, then take away the fact that in the US the money gained by illegally crushing competition stays at home. You might now be able to see why letting MS do whatever they want is bad to the EU.
It's their source, they wrote it, they paid for it, they developed it, they should not have to share it with anyone they don't want to.
They don't have to. They can decide not to sell their software in the EU.
Governments create through laws economic environments that they think will make them (and their population) successful. Different governments strike the balance between good for the people and good for the rich at different points - too good for the people and their corporations can't compete. Too good for the corporations and standards of living drop as wealth accumulates in the hands of a few elite.
The US is well known the world over for leaning heavily toward the rich, and relying on their corporations to go forth and extract wealth from other nations and bring it home. It has done well for them from an economic perspective so far. You can't, however, blame a government for either striking the balance more in favour of their people than the US (given that just about every other government in the world does also) or for attempting to protect themselves from the abnormally-empowered corporations of the US.
Do the people of the EU need MS software? Will it really benefit them? Well, the government of the EU has decided that it will - as long as MS changes the terms it's attempting to force Europe's people to agree to before using it.
The EU is doing what's best for its people. That is what it is supposed to do. If it did otherwise, why, it would risk being a farce.
The fact that it is not doing what's best for you does not warrant such an attack.
Welcome to Buzzword Bingo, I AM your host, John Smart. Can you spot the buzzwords?
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accelerating change I am just constantly suprised by new technological emergences how do we socially interface with those accelerating change get in the zone keep our eye on the ball accelerating change you can say this in the mirror every day the future is now it's already out there a can-do, change-aware attitude accelerating change accelerating intelligence intimacy of the human machine evolutionary development - you're gonna hear this phrase a lot - anybody who uses this phrase thinks deeply about change accelerating change
But seriously folks, that's about 5 minutes into an hour-long talk. Does this guy take himself seriously? Is he joking?
Smells like a leftover marketing plan from the Dot-com boom.
I agree mandrake's networking sucks, especially when trying to set up multiple configurations for a single card, as with my wireless card.
This is why I took mandrake as it is except for networking. I told the wizard not to touch any network interfaces - ever - and wrote my own script to act as a front end to iwconfig and manage my configs.
Now everything is great in mandrakeland, especially since I just found the PLF online package repository, clearing up my last major gripe (lack of available automatically-installed packages).
I believe the article specifically stated that these bees were genetically almost identical to modern tropical honeybees, at least similar enough to assume that the temperature constraints for the two species were roughly the same.
If you know differently, where could we find the information you're basing your statements on?
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I have an Averatech laptop that is just what you want:
- 12" - 4 lbs - 1024x768 - sis630 (the 3d support with the 2.6 kernel isn't half bad) - integrated usb, modem, ethernet (no 802.11, but there's a pcmcia slot for that) - I'm running gentoo on it, and everything works (except that I can't get it to go on standby...yet)
You have a good point, I agree that education is where people need to start with linux or most of them are going to find it too frustrating to pick up something as completely different as linux is from what they know, when they are already proficient at solving problems with another platform.
I did just want to say though, that at my college (Algonquin College, in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) in the Comp Sci program we learn shell scripting (bash, sed, awk), Unix/Linux Application Programming in C, we do GUI Dev in java on linux boxes, and OpenGL in C++ on Linux.
So there are some places out there that aren't entirely MS.
I started with mandrake, nice and easy, learned linux a bit at a time, and now I'm more comfortable editing config files than using a pretty (and occasionally buggy or counter-intuitive) perl/tK config tool, and I like everything just the way I want it, so gentoo's for me.
It seemed at first that he was being pretty careful with his wording, with stuff like:
"SCO owns the contract rights to the UNIX platform."
But then...:
"As the owners of the UNIX operating system..."
They just said in their press release this morning that they never said they owned it, just the "contract rights" to it.
It seems to me that this guy doesn't really understand the situation, that he was told by his lawyers "You can make money here" and he just believed them. He doesn't understand the difference between "derived from UNIX" and "works like UNIX". He even implicated that Sun might be a licensee of their source code, which, IIUC is false, Sun bought out their UNIX license before SCO got hold of even the limited rights to it they have.
Maybe you've forgotten that the Xbox can be made to run (almost) standard linux distros. For me, that set it apart from the other consoles more than being from microsoft.
Anyway, if they're selling at a loss, I don't mind buying.:)
I don't think they were attempting to satisfy the pubic's hunger for philosophy with the movie. I doubt anyone who gives a shit about stuff like Baudrillard would even consider such a thing possible, since The Matrix (movie, not construct inside the movie) itself seems to be merely a simulacrum of our current social and political situation.
Instead, I prefer to think of it as an appetizer, something teasing to whet your appetite for a real meal, in the hopes that more people will realize how "filling" philosophy can be, and motivate them to go find more on the subject after seeing the movie. Like I did.
Did anyone else notice that the two stylesheets sent to the netscape and ms browsers had browser-specific names (site-win-ie6.css and site-all-nav6.css), but the one sent to opera was just called "site.css"? This implies it is the default; sent to any browser with UA not explicitly handled. It might just be that ms had laid a trap for people daring not to get the newest IE and opera fell into it.
Also, if this was for the "benefit" of old-IE users it would take care of that clever "this would be bad for business since MS makes money off their website ads" argument - where is someone using IE3 going to go if they decide to jump ship? straight to ie6.
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A different opinion is not inherent more valuable than a concurring one.
One could, however, argue that the fact that 2+2=4 is not an opinion, and therefore is not subject to disagreement, whereas something like, say, what the single largest cause of poor housing conditions in Sao Paulo, is.
Of course, then we have the question of where to draw the line between facts and opinions. I would suggest that if a student takes issue with a theorem derived from certain axioms (such as 2+2=4) that the student is free to attempt to disprove those axioms (i.e. show that they contradict each other), and if successful should indeed be given a good mark. ;)
I think what the GP was talking about was students being able to submit their essay repeatedly until they got the mark they desired.
I doubt you're allowed to keep submitting the same essay until you're happy with your mark, so no, it is not effectively a filter for better papers unless, as the GP said, you get a copy of the program unconnected to a school system where the mark you get is applied to your academic record.
they are still bound by the decision.
I agree.
I'm glad we cleared that up. :)
Sigh. Once more into the breach...
If a court tells you to do something, you have to do it or else they can punish you further. If you get a speeding ticket you can't just stop driving and the fine goes away.
That's very clearly NOT AT ALL what I'm talking about. The terms of the court order against MS are that it must provide a more friendly license in order to sell their product in the EU. They must comply with that. There is nothing forcing them to sell their product in the EU.
As long as they don't sell their product in the EU under a license unapproved of by the EU Commission they are abiding by the terms of the court order (since they obviously will or have paid the fine that was also part of the court order). Yes, they have already sold the product under the offending license, and yes, that license is not legally enforcable in the EU any longer, and yes, they must most likely provide a better license to the people that agreed to the first one. This is not, as you "VERY CLEARLY" suggested earlier, as if they are forced to both sell their product and provide a better license.
That is all. I'm sorry you're so upset. Let's all call it a day.
Where the hell did you get this idea?
So you think the EU can order a US company to sell their product in the EU? I don't know where people get ideas like this.
If they decide never to sell their software again in the EU, that doesn't undo a court order, and that doesn't protect them from any of the above punishments.
None of those punishments have yet been inflicted upon MS. There is no court order like that to "undo". They already paid the fine that was in the court order. The above are the things that can happen to them if they continue to sell their software in the EU without complying with the other terms of the court order.
Can you not think of a single cost to the EU in allowing MS to impose whatever licensing restrictions they want on their software? Assuming you can, you must acknowledge that this is simply a case where the EU considers those costs to be greater than the benefits. If, on the other hand, you can't, you must not be up on current events, and probably haven't been for the last 5 years or so.
I'm not saying I think that EU is helping their people by imposing these restrictions (nor am I saying they're not... ;) ) but you must recognize that it is normal for a government to act in its own best interests, and when it doesn't conflict, the best interests of its people.
the EU is really trying to see if they can push around a big US company and make it jump hoops.
Do you really think that is what this is about? It seems to me that there might be a little more at stake for the EU in allowing a foreign corporation to demand licensing terms that might be intended to recreate MS's US monopoly situation in the EU itself than the egos of those sitting in the commission. You can't argue that MS is purely benevolent, and so how can you not acknowledge that the EU might see something bad for them in MS's actions; and, having conceded that, how can you suggest that in the face of possible irreparable harm to their economy they are doing this because they think it may be fun?
As for the harm it could cause to the EU, think of the harm it has caused to firms competing with MS in non-OS markets, then take away the fact that in the US the money gained by illegally crushing competition stays at home. You might now be able to see why letting MS do whatever they want is bad to the EU.
They don't have to. They can decide not to sell their software in the EU.
Governments create through laws economic environments that they think will make them (and their population) successful. Different governments strike the balance between good for the people and good for the rich at different points - too good for the people and their corporations can't compete. Too good for the corporations and standards of living drop as wealth accumulates in the hands of a few elite.
The US is well known the world over for leaning heavily toward the rich, and relying on their corporations to go forth and extract wealth from other nations and bring it home. It has done well for them from an economic perspective so far. You can't, however, blame a government for either striking the balance more in favour of their people than the US (given that just about every other government in the world does also) or for attempting to protect themselves from the abnormally-empowered corporations of the US.
Do the people of the EU need MS software? Will it really benefit them? Well, the government of the EU has decided that it will - as long as MS changes the terms it's attempting to force Europe's people to agree to before using it.
The EU is doing what's best for its people. That is what it is supposed to do. If it did otherwise, why, it would risk being a farce.
The fact that it is not doing what's best for you does not warrant such an attack.
Welcome to Buzzword Bingo, I AM your host, John Smart. Can you spot the buzzwords?
Let's play!
accelerating change
I am just constantly suprised by new technological emergences
how do we socially interface with those
accelerating change
get in the zone
keep our eye on the ball
accelerating change
you can say this in the mirror every day
the future is now
it's already out there
a can-do, change-aware attitude
accelerating change
accelerating intelligence
intimacy of the human machine
evolutionary development - you're gonna hear this phrase a lot - anybody who uses this phrase thinks deeply about change
accelerating change
But seriously folks, that's about 5 minutes into an hour-long talk. Does this guy take himself seriously? Is he joking?
Smells like a leftover marketing plan from the Dot-com boom.
He is, is he? :|
I agree mandrake's networking sucks, especially when trying to set up multiple configurations for a single card, as with my wireless card.
This is why I took mandrake as it is except for networking. I told the wizard not to touch any network interfaces - ever - and wrote my own script to act as a front end to iwconfig and manage my configs.
Now everything is great in mandrakeland, especially since I just found the PLF online package repository, clearing up my last major gripe (lack of available automatically-installed packages).
I believe the article specifically stated that these bees were genetically almost identical to modern tropical honeybees, at least similar enough to assume that the temperature constraints for the two species were roughly the same.
If you know differently, where could we find the information you're basing your statements on?
I have an Averatech laptop that is just what you want:
:D
- 12"
- 4 lbs
- 1024x768
- sis630 (the 3d support with the 2.6 kernel isn't half bad)
- integrated usb, modem, ethernet (no 802.11, but there's a pcmcia slot for that)
- I'm running gentoo on it, and everything works (except that I can't get it to go on standby...yet)
Oh yeah, and I got it for CDN$900.
You have a good point, I agree that education is where people need to start with linux or most of them are going to find it too frustrating to pick up something as completely different as linux is from what they know, when they are already proficient at solving problems with another platform.
I did just want to say though, that at my college (Algonquin College, in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) in the Comp Sci program we learn shell scripting (bash, sed, awk), Unix/Linux Application Programming in C, we do GUI Dev in java on linux boxes, and OpenGL in C++ on Linux.
So there are some places out there that aren't entirely MS.
there is no installer, and that's part of the whole point of gentoo.
I started with mandrake, nice and easy, learned linux a bit at a time, and now I'm more comfortable editing config files than using a pretty (and occasionally buggy or counter-intuitive) perl/tK config tool, and I like everything just the way I want it, so gentoo's for me.
It's not for everyone and not trying to be.
maybe not - you had to get married to lose your virginity.
use a homonym!
It seemed at first that he was being pretty careful with his wording, with stuff like: "SCO owns the contract rights to the UNIX platform." But then...: "As the owners of the UNIX operating system..." They just said in their press release this morning that they never said they owned it, just the "contract rights" to it. It seems to me that this guy doesn't really understand the situation, that he was told by his lawyers "You can make money here" and he just believed them. He doesn't understand the difference between "derived from UNIX" and "works like UNIX". He even implicated that Sun might be a licensee of their source code, which, IIUC is false, Sun bought out their UNIX license before SCO got hold of even the limited rights to it they have.
There were only 244 people on the conference call! (compared with 7 on the last one, as Darl said).
Is this the BEST we can do? Come one, guys...
Maybe you've forgotten that the Xbox can be made to run (almost) standard linux distros. For me, that set it apart from the other consoles more than being from microsoft. Anyway, if they're selling at a loss, I don't mind buying. :)
I don't think they were attempting to satisfy the pubic's hunger for philosophy with the movie. I doubt anyone who gives a shit about stuff like Baudrillard would even consider such a thing possible, since The Matrix (movie, not construct inside the movie) itself seems to be merely a simulacrum of our current social and political situation.
Instead, I prefer to think of it as an appetizer, something teasing to whet your appetite for a real meal, in the hopes that more people will realize how "filling" philosophy can be, and motivate them to go find more on the subject after seeing the movie. Like I did.
I think cluge is on to something here...
Did anyone else notice that the two stylesheets sent to the netscape and ms browsers had browser-specific names (site-win-ie6.css and site-all-nav6.css), but the one sent to opera was just called "site.css"? This implies it is the default; sent to any browser with UA not explicitly handled. It might just be that ms had laid a trap for people daring not to get the newest IE and opera fell into it.
Also, if this was for the "benefit" of old-IE users it would take care of that clever "this would be bad for business since MS makes money off their website ads" argument - where is someone using IE3 going to go if they decide to jump ship? straight to ie6.
Not sure if this is more dastardly or less...