"Had no intention of supporting" My my someones never had a NT 3.5 disk in their machine have they. I have one. Guess what it supports... Hrm Yes there it is. ALPHA. Now last time i checked that was one of the few platforms supported by VMS. Yes they damn well could have been pinching code. !
And on a more serious note. the Brilliant 3.5 kernel was butchered for 4.0 so dont even think about making further comparison. Cutlers work was slaughtered by MS integrating the GUI into the kernel for NT 4.0
And yes DEC was one of the worst managed companies in Tech History... And its a shame.
Realy i think its going to come down to a simple thing. $
Designing hardware is expensive work.
Fortunatly there are effrots to make this change.
Some enterprising folks are designing Open Hardware along similar lines as the Sparc standard (though cheaper and more flexible)
So perhaps if we start seeing some "BSD Hardware Licence" type thing. Where you can get a CPU made from whoever sells them. and theres a mounting board that connects to the memory board, southbridge and controler board that hooks up to the adapter slot board, etc.
Well start seeing some new Non x86 dominance.
but i guess such a modular geeks playtoy kinda dream wouldnt ever be ecconomicaly viable.
Oh and i said BSD licence for a reason.
Companies Love the BSD licence. So they can charge for it. And it still remains available as a free design for anyone to use or improve upon.
Slashdot is full of niggers. Scrap the silly "space-plane" concept and develop a family of lifters and craft that _can_ be used for many things but don't back NASA into a corner that forces them to use it for all missions. Make crew safety an inherent feature (recognizing that there are tradeoffs and that getting out of the gravity well is a fundamentally dangerous activity). Stop throwing good money after bad on that trinity dies ISS as well, and use the collective resources of the two programs to start over. It's not true that the second design is always better than the first (see again ISS and Mir/Skylab) but you're wise to play those odds.
before you bullshit on space planes learn to understand the difference between the shuttle and a real space plane.
firstly a real space plane doesnt have to carry tons of liquid O2 on board involved in getting it up the the altitude it NEEDS that o2 at. it just hast to carry the O2 for getting from that altitude up to orbit.
Its far more efficient than a rocket to use a spaceplane. WHEN DESIGNED PROPERLY
and the ISS isnt a joke. Its just being made a POS by beaurocracy. Personaly i think anything we put up there should STAY up there and keep adding on. Old and feeble or not. Skylab 1 and 2 and 3 and Mir and all the Saylat stations AND the ISS would have made one pretty damn big aglomerated space station by now. If we only sacrificed parts when they became absolutely neccessary and then also chose to build around them using them as storage areas or even just balast weight on the orbit. Its still a better long term plan than this "disposable" plan people seem to advocate. If the space shuttles dont wind up retired as permanant attached modules on whatever space station is up there im gonna be mighty pissed.
Yes but you forget Nuclear based propultion using nuclear weapons there. Its one of the most effective means of propultion and has been proven so with decades of work in the ideas and on a number of designs. while theres no way in hell i want one taking off from earth though. they were F***ing nuts to ever think of that as viable.
Actualy i think the use of the "solleta" from the end half of his Mars series is better. Using it to shade venus till it eventualy froze out the atmosphere. I mean hey its the damn right size for an earth grade atmospherre... its just a little on the warm side... so you have to be careful what you do.
he sure did have a LOT of good stuff in those books lol
mmmm Scuzzy bathroom. I guess thats where the little hard drives go when they need to barf up a few pages while im playing 3 or 4 movies at once on cheap PC using scavenged parts including Scuzzy drives:)
For a start OpenBSD is has damn good security but if you wanted even better you should buy an alpha workstation and learn an old school os like OpenVMS.;)
But forking off "OpenBSD" isnt going to be the thing to do. I look at the last BSD fork and is see its managing but its not going well. Open BSD is a fork and a fork it shall be. Dont fork, forks when you think you can fork a better fork than the fork thats forked of the Original:)
Id like to see a Push for Open Source Drivers END OF SENTENCE
That way hardware would be BSD and Linux compatible.
I dont expect lighting fast gaming on my FreeBSD machine but id like to use NetBSD to make a DVD player & PVR out of some scrap i chucked in a box with some very quiet fans.
Open Source is about choise. And linux having to reverse engineer things and the BSD teams going without on many cases is very very annoying.
And if you REALY REALY wanted to fork openBSd yould be better off forking NetBSD or a merged fork off both. Since netbsd is the far more adaptable OS:)
haha If i had mod points and hadnt replied earlier id mod you up:)
Its treasures like that inside OSes that i think need to be kept. "Clean Codebase" is fine but annotating files like that is one of the few ways we get these things likely to be in the next version/equivalent of The Jargon File and if we lose them for the sake of "being clean" then you need to wonder. Do you want a clean OS that has no record of the people that toiled to creat it like some kind of blank slab. Or would you preffer an os that has amusing coments littered in NON KEY files like that that are there for those to look and see just where the reasons and motivations came from:)
Thats the problem These days people bitch about not getting EVERYTHING.
I have no expectation that my "desktop" OS is a great server. I have no expectation that My server can play games, I have no expectation that my Sparc machine be anything other than more screen real estate.
As parent said. Linus and OpenBSD are very different Tools. As are FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Plan9, and Linux. Each has a role, (ok plan9.. seems a little roleless but it does have uses;) ) if i want a kick ass web server im going to go FreeBSD every god damn time cause i know it has the features. If i want to shoehorn some porgram onto my PS2 Dreamcast, Cobalt Qube, Router, Japanese toilet with LCD display or whatever the hell else with a CPU some ram and and some bootable storage, then damn strait ill go with NetBSD unless by some amazing chance theres some platform it isnt ported to, partialy functional on, or cant be gotten onto with help from the community. Then ill try porting linux that way. If i want THE best (my opionion is not a fully qualified fact) Security consious OS for creating a router, remote access box, Network Gateway, Firewall, etc. its openBSD all the way. Linux makes a damn good Desktop OS with little kicking around, these days its almost as easy to get a linux desktop as windows no matter HOW you setup linux (its only easier for windows cause its Built in and cant be gotten rid of, and thats not a good thing)
People need to start understanding that Open Source, means all these OSes work together. There are no MS related hassles involved in Transparent X serving over the net. SSH works from one OS to the other just the same. You choose the os you want for the reasons you want it.
But people please think about WHY you chose that OS and then dont just riticule others cause its not "yours"
(I use Windows XP Pro, Gentoo on Sparc, FreeBSD NetBSD and Debian. So i do have a good idea about this:P )
You realise that anyone putting up a comercial pedophila site would be found within days and then procecuted FAST.
Thats why the stuff hangs round the "undergroud" traffic routes. Its just about impossible to keep it alive with ANY kind of surface company. Purely cause its illegal and the cops are good at finding illegal companies. they have paper trails.
little jonnie fucked in the head selling things by mail advertied on Usenet and getting cash back from them, or more likely a copy of something they have that he doesnt, (this is the kind of copy & swap methods that began P2P coppying cassets etc) can be hard to track down and is likely to be getting "fresh material" from somewhere. THESE are the problems that the law should focus on but clearly since things like that are hard they arent paid much attention outside of routine. they cant be made easier. or further legislated against. The system works for things like this.
AND my #1 concern. Why the fuck can someone be considerd guilty of "being a pedophile" though "possetion" of pedophila imagaes of some kind. Get Chareged and found guilty of possetion of the illegal material. WITHOUT SOME KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION!?
The laws are there to protect children from pedophiles. NOT TO BE SELF SERVING. If your guilty of accidentaly having illegal images. fine. a few hundred bucks fine to teach you better than to download suspect random crap off the net. But if your a warped sexual predator. then you go to jail for life. Or if your a twisted shit making money off the stuff, again jail.
Self serving law is rediculous. And its the first few steps on the road to hell. right there after good intentions.
So your telling me that people who somehow manage to **** up doing things like: walking away from the wheel of the RV your driving cause you turned on "cruise control" and making a pot of coffee causing your RV to crash and successfuly suing the manufactuer. Shouldnt happen. Yes i agree on that point but you under no circumstance should ever prevent ignorance being a defence. there are people out there that by all rights are "mentaly handicapped" yet slip through society normaly. Except making blindingly obvious mistakes now and then. and when i mean blindingly i mean about as blindingly as the example i stated above.
Right so that means the system is either corrupt to the core.
Or utterly blind.
judge for yourself. But this seems to violate "innocent until proven guilty"
Has the (justified) perecution of these people (pedophiles) become so systematiced that you can truly be tricked into a federal offence and have your life ruined in a way so uttely unstoppable as to make Macarthy himself cringe?
If this is indeed the case then id say there are a lot of "pedophiles" suffering uncessesarily. (for a nice little example south park episode 416 " The Wacky Molestation Adventure" dont scoff if the system works as described by parent then thats damn well what can happen)
Wow. What pipe is the rest of the world Sucking on. Cause i live in australia. and for a country tahts supposed to be "early adopters" of technology. The net here SUCKS. sure i can get 256Kbps/64Kbps (Down/Up) broadband for about the same as dial up. But they give me 500Mb per month downloads.
For the real users. They have these fancy "Unlimted" plans where they give you like 10 gig (my isp) to 30 or 40 gig before they cap your speed down to like 64kbps up and down making your broadband expereince HELL. and this is STANDARD PRACTICE ive only found one plan in the whole country that doesnt have these caps for a residential plan. and its nearly $150 a month for 512/128 kbps adsl
Grow up and smell the coffee.
Some damn good places have the worst broadband possible and its not going to change fast. cause theres only 2 ways data gets out of the country and both of them are happy monopolising their market and stuffing over the people here that deserve better.
I had active Desktop on windows 95 for years. So watch the FUD damn it.
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The Appolo CSM wasnt all the appolo hardware i was reffering to. I was reffering to the entire Saturn IIB Saturn V Appolo CSM and etc that powered the Appolo lunar missions, the Skylab Program and the Appolo Souyz mission.
And the CEV is very similar to the Soyuz so dont go making comparisons. The CEV is going to be a new 2005 american Designed vehicle yes but guess what Boeing-North American and Lockheed Martin are both using to power it . A russian built engine.
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Yes thats a valid point. But not the one were on about. Yes the shuttle was reliable from a statisitcal and logical point of view applied from the fact its probably the worlds most potentialy explosive human "piloted" vehicle but we were discussing the usefulness of the shuttle versus the CEV and their roles as spacecraft.
I like aerospace engineers so i wont argue my your logic or physics.
Yes #1 was just a "for show" argument based on the principle that phsyical tampering of the device is harder but the device is probably more remotely vunerable so its less effective anyway.
And as for number #2 Well yes your right But Ceramics have an amaing ability to absorb heat. SO The material need not ablate significantly, just be capable of absorbing enough heat energy to prevent overall destructive wear on its shape till it hits the ground in a few minutes. I do know there was extensive testing done on Re-entry physics involving nose cone shapes and dimensions as well as the effects. The sharper the point of the cone the more the cone will try and blunt its point due to supersonic shockwave build up and heat causing material deformation. But there is conceivably an optimal configuration of a material or combination of them possibly and likely to include ceramics and high heat capacity metals that would enable a 10-25 kilo "impact device" (refering to the final weight of the "weapon" at impact with the earth) With enough kinetic energy to carve a 50 meter wide "crater" in your average urban area this factors in the shockwave and other energy transfer from the impact and high speed as well.
Im well aware how things slow down and mostly burn up but it can be engineered not to. and to be a lot more "forceful" an impact as well.
Thats the good thing about engineering. You can design so many different possibilites depending on what your realy after and theyre possiblity of success is in proportion to the money applied to engineer them. Money is something the Military have lots of as im sure you know what with working in a defence contracting position (Which sounds like a damn cool job by the way:) )
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"Had no intention of supporting" My my someones never had a NT 3.5 disk in their machine have they. I have one. Guess what it supports... Hrm Yes there it is. ALPHA. Now last time i checked that was one of the few platforms supported by VMS. Yes they damn well could have been pinching code. !
And on a more serious note. the Brilliant 3.5 kernel was butchered for 4.0 so dont even think about making further comparison. Cutlers work was slaughtered by MS integrating the GUI into the kernel for NT 4.0
And yes DEC was one of the worst managed companies in Tech History... And its a shame.
Ill lift a glass to Dreams.
To the few that dreamed we could go that far to those that keep the dream alive.
And anyone that risks their life for dreams as grand as these certainly counts as worth a toast.
To the brave men and women that dare to look up, wonder just whats out there, and who keep reaching for the stars.
*raises glass*
Heres to them.
Yes ill admit those boxes do suck lol.
Realy i think its going to come down to a simple thing. $
Designing hardware is expensive work.
Fortunatly there are effrots to make this change.
Some enterprising folks are designing Open Hardware along similar lines as the Sparc standard (though cheaper and more flexible)
So perhaps if we start seeing some "BSD Hardware Licence" type thing. Where you can get a CPU made from whoever sells them. and theres a mounting board that connects to the memory board, southbridge and controler board that hooks up to the adapter slot board, etc.
Well start seeing some new Non x86 dominance.
but i guess such a modular geeks playtoy kinda dream wouldnt ever be ecconomicaly viable.
Oh and i said BSD licence for a reason.
Companies Love the BSD licence. So they can charge for it. And it still remains available as a free design for anyone to use or improve upon.
The official result. The manual now carrys a warning. "Do Not use Coffee maker while vehicle is in motion"
Ladies and Gentlemen.
I give You your moron.
Thank you stupid lawyers for adding another peice of crap warning to the manual and doing nothing about the real problem.
Ahh well such is life when law is such a rediculosuly overpaid proffession.
Slashdot is full of niggers. Scrap the silly "space-plane" concept and develop a family of lifters and craft that _can_ be used for many things but don't back NASA into a corner that forces them to use it for all missions. Make crew safety an inherent feature (recognizing that there are tradeoffs and that getting out of the gravity well is a fundamentally dangerous activity). Stop throwing good money after bad on that trinity dies ISS as well, and use the collective resources of the two programs to start over. It's not true that the second design is always better than the first (see again ISS and Mir/Skylab) but you're wise to play those odds.
before you bullshit on space planes learn to understand the difference between the shuttle and a real space plane.
firstly a real space plane doesnt have to carry tons of liquid O2 on board involved in getting it up the the altitude it NEEDS that o2 at. it just hast to carry the O2 for getting from that altitude up to orbit.
Its far more efficient than a rocket to use a spaceplane. WHEN DESIGNED PROPERLY
and the ISS isnt a joke. Its just being made a POS by beaurocracy. Personaly i think anything we put up there should STAY up there and keep adding on. Old and feeble or not. Skylab 1 and 2 and 3 and Mir and all the Saylat stations AND the ISS would have made one pretty damn big aglomerated space station by now. If we only sacrificed parts when they became absolutely neccessary and then also chose to build around them using them as storage areas or even just balast weight on the orbit. Its still a better long term plan than this "disposable" plan people seem to advocate. If the space shuttles dont wind up retired as permanant attached modules on whatever space station is up there im gonna be mighty pissed.
Regolith :)
If i had mod points id mod your ass.
Learn to use a proper unit of measurement.
anyone caught caluclating anything except specificaly related items such as oil related emissions or export proffits should be shot.
The unit of energy is called a Joule people.
Grow up.
Learn Metric
Save yourself another embarrasing sapace probe fiasco.
And at the same time ripping off a number of people who thought of it before you and are probably the only reason you had that idea.
I can say Kim Stanley Robbinson Beat you to that idea and Mars by quite a few years.
Yes but you forget Nuclear based propultion using nuclear weapons there. Its one of the most effective means of propultion and has been proven so with decades of work in the ideas and on a number of designs. while theres no way in hell i want one taking off from earth though. they were F***ing nuts to ever think of that as viable.
Actualy i think the use of the "solleta" from the end half of his Mars series is better. Using it to shade venus till it eventualy froze out the atmosphere. I mean hey its the damn right size for an earth grade atmospherre... its just a little on the warm side... so you have to be careful what you do.
he sure did have a LOT of good stuff in those books lol
Lasers of course!!
But id rather be using a thermal lance... nothing like the Ultimant blow torch to kick some asteroid ass.
mmmm Scuzzy bathroom. I guess thats where the little hard drives go when they need to barf up a few pages while im playing 3 or 4 movies at once on cheap PC using scavenged parts including Scuzzy drives :)
For a start OpenBSD is has damn good security but if you wanted even better you should buy an alpha workstation and learn an old school os like OpenVMS. ;)
:)
:)
But forking off "OpenBSD" isnt going to be the thing to do. I look at the last BSD fork and is see its managing but its not going well. Open BSD is a fork and a fork it shall be. Dont fork, forks when you think you can fork a better fork than the fork thats forked of the Original
Id like to see a Push for Open Source Drivers END OF SENTENCE
That way hardware would be BSD and Linux compatible.
I dont expect lighting fast gaming on my FreeBSD machine but id like to use NetBSD to make a DVD player & PVR out of some scrap i chucked in a box with some very quiet fans.
Open Source is about choise. And linux having to reverse engineer things and the BSD teams going without on many cases is very very annoying.
And if you REALY REALY wanted to fork openBSd yould be better off forking NetBSD or a merged fork off both. Since netbsd is the far more adaptable OS
haha :)
:)
If i had mod points and hadnt replied earlier id mod you up
Its treasures like that inside OSes that i think need to be kept. "Clean Codebase" is fine but annotating files like that is one of the few ways we get these things likely to be in the next version/equivalent of The Jargon File and if we lose them for the sake of "being clean" then you need to wonder. Do you want a clean OS that has no record of the people that toiled to creat it like some kind of blank slab. Or would you preffer an os that has amusing coments littered in NON KEY files like that that are there for those to look and see just where the reasons and motivations came from
That and its just funny as hell.
Thats the problem These days people bitch about not getting EVERYTHING.
.. seems a little roleless but it does have uses ;) ) if i want a kick ass web server im going to go FreeBSD every god damn time cause i know it has the features. If i want to shoehorn some porgram onto my PS2 Dreamcast, Cobalt Qube, Router, Japanese toilet with LCD display or whatever the hell else with a CPU some ram and and some bootable storage, then damn strait ill go with NetBSD unless by some amazing chance theres some platform it isnt ported to, partialy functional on, or cant be gotten onto with help from the community. Then ill try porting linux that way. If i want THE best (my opionion is not a fully qualified fact) Security consious OS for creating a router, remote access box, Network Gateway, Firewall, etc. its openBSD all the way. Linux makes a damn good Desktop OS with little kicking around, these days its almost as easy to get a linux desktop as windows no matter HOW you setup linux (its only easier for windows cause its Built in and cant be gotten rid of, and thats not a good thing)
:P )
I have no expectation that my "desktop" OS is a great server. I have no expectation that My server can play games, I have no expectation that my Sparc machine be anything other than more screen real estate.
As parent said. Linus and OpenBSD are very different Tools. As are FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Plan9, and Linux. Each has a role, (ok plan9
People need to start understanding that Open Source, means all these OSes work together. There are no MS related hassles involved in Transparent X serving over the net. SSH works from one OS to the other just the same. You choose the os you want for the reasons you want it.
But people please think about WHY you chose that OS and then dont just riticule others cause its not "yours"
(I use Windows XP Pro, Gentoo on Sparc, FreeBSD NetBSD and Debian. So i do have a good idea about this
You mean something like this
http://www.pegasosppc.com/products.php
Theyve been around for some time it seems.
You realise that anyone putting up a comercial pedophila site would be found within days and then procecuted FAST.
Thats why the stuff hangs round the "undergroud" traffic routes. Its just about impossible to keep it alive with ANY kind of surface company. Purely cause its illegal and the cops are good at finding illegal companies. they have paper trails.
little jonnie fucked in the head selling things by mail advertied on Usenet and getting cash back from them, or more likely a copy of something they have that he doesnt, (this is the kind of copy & swap methods that began P2P coppying cassets etc) can be hard to track down and is likely to be getting "fresh material" from somewhere. THESE are the problems that the law should focus on but clearly since things like that are hard they arent paid much attention outside of routine. they cant be made easier. or further legislated against. The system works for things like this.
AND my #1 concern.
Why the fuck can someone be considerd guilty of "being a pedophile" though "possetion" of pedophila imagaes of some kind. Get Chareged and found guilty of possetion of the illegal material. WITHOUT SOME KIND OF PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION!?
The laws are there to protect children from pedophiles. NOT TO BE SELF SERVING. If your guilty of accidentaly having illegal images. fine. a few hundred bucks fine to teach you better than to download suspect random crap off the net. But if your a warped sexual predator. then you go to jail for life. Or if your a twisted shit making money off the stuff, again jail.
Self serving law is rediculous.
And its the first few steps on the road to hell. right there after good intentions.
So your telling me that people who somehow manage to **** up doing things like: walking away from the wheel of the RV your driving cause you turned on "cruise control" and making a pot of coffee causing your RV to crash and successfuly suing the manufactuer. Shouldnt happen. Yes i agree on that point but you under no circumstance should ever prevent ignorance being a defence. there are people out there that by all rights are "mentaly handicapped" yet slip through society normaly. Except making blindingly obvious mistakes now and then. and when i mean blindingly i mean about as blindingly as the example i stated above.
Right so that means the system is either corrupt to the core.
Or utterly blind.
judge for yourself. But this seems to violate "innocent until proven guilty"
Has the (justified) perecution of these people (pedophiles) become so systematiced that you can truly be tricked into a federal offence and have your life ruined in a way so uttely unstoppable as to make Macarthy himself cringe?
If this is indeed the case then id say there are a lot of "pedophiles" suffering uncessesarily. (for a nice little example south park episode 416 " The Wacky Molestation Adventure" dont scoff if the system works as described by parent then thats damn well what can happen)
out next year will be their new iWave program
i wonder how many servers will drown from that ?
Wow. What pipe is the rest of the world Sucking on. Cause i live in australia. and for a country tahts supposed to be "early adopters" of technology. The net here SUCKS. sure i can get 256Kbps/64Kbps (Down/Up) broadband for about the same as dial up. But they give me 500Mb per month downloads.
For the real users. They have these fancy "Unlimted" plans where they give you like 10 gig (my isp) to 30 or 40 gig before they cap your speed down to like 64kbps up and down making your broadband expereince HELL. and this is STANDARD PRACTICE ive only found one plan in the whole country that doesnt have these caps for a residential plan. and its nearly $150 a month for 512/128 kbps adsl
Grow up and smell the coffee.
Some damn good places have the worst broadband possible and its not going to change fast. cause theres only 2 ways data gets out of the country and both of them are happy monopolising their market and stuffing over the people here that deserve better.
I had active Desktop on windows 95 for years. So watch the FUD damn it.
The Appolo CSM wasnt all the appolo hardware i was reffering to. I was reffering to the entire Saturn IIB Saturn V Appolo CSM and etc that powered the Appolo lunar missions, the Skylab Program and the Appolo Souyz mission.
And the CEV is very similar to the Soyuz so dont go making comparisons. The CEV is going to be a new 2005 american Designed vehicle yes but guess what Boeing-North American and Lockheed Martin are both using to power it . A russian built engine.
Yes thats a valid point. But not the one were on about. Yes the shuttle was reliable from a statisitcal and logical point of view applied from the fact its probably the worlds most potentialy explosive human "piloted" vehicle but we were discussing the usefulness of the shuttle versus the CEV and their roles as spacecraft.
:)
Thank you! Come again!
I like aerospace engineers so i wont argue my your logic or physics.
:) )
Yes #1 was just a "for show" argument based on the principle that phsyical tampering of the device is harder but the device is probably more remotely vunerable so its less effective anyway.
And as for number #2 Well yes your right But Ceramics have an amaing ability to absorb heat. SO The material need not ablate significantly, just be capable of absorbing enough heat energy to prevent overall destructive wear on its shape till it hits the ground in a few minutes. I do know there was extensive testing done on Re-entry physics involving nose cone shapes and dimensions as well as the effects. The sharper the point of the cone the more the cone will try and blunt its point due to supersonic shockwave build up and heat causing material deformation. But there is conceivably an optimal configuration of a material or combination of them possibly and likely to include ceramics and high heat capacity metals that would enable a 10-25 kilo "impact device" (refering to the final weight of the "weapon" at impact with the earth) With enough kinetic energy to carve a 50 meter wide "crater" in your average urban area this factors in the shockwave and other energy transfer from the impact and high speed as well.
Im well aware how things slow down and mostly burn up but it can be engineered not to. and to be a lot more "forceful" an impact as well.
Thats the good thing about engineering. You can design so many different possibilites depending on what your realy after and theyre possiblity of success is in proportion to the money applied to engineer them. Money is something the Military have lots of as im sure you know what with working in a defence contracting position (Which sounds like a damn cool job by the way