You say you read the article, yet you continue with "Yes I did and no, it was not "a short-term problem" to begin with."
So let's grab a summary line from the article:
"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."
Just to make the connection there for you, very rapid=short term.
And yes, for those others who didn't read the article, these conclusions are from a peer-reviewed article published for economic scholars by a team of respected economists at UCLA.
Feel free to dispute their data or methodology, but constantly just stating your contrary opinions in post after post doesn't make the facts change one whit.
Blockbuster, Netflix, Seminar libraries, Law libraries, etc... are the modern equivalent. They mostly serve book niches or things like DVDs where current public libraries don't do a good job.
As you say, most libraries started out a either private club-like affairs, off-shoots of print-shops (similar to a modern blockbuster) or charitable foundations started by private citizens.
Over time, as governments started funding them, the percieved "need" for other people to do it went away and private organizations mostly fell prey to the "the government is doing it, so I will worry about something else" attitude.
As with any business(getting back on topic with wifi networks), if the government comes in with a taxpayer funded solution "free" to your customers, even if you have better service and selection, it's hard to compete with "free" for very long.
"Uncontrolled and unregulated Capitalism is what caused the catastrophy"
Government control and regulations, especially those regarding monopolies (establishing them, since big monopolies pretty much only happen and last when the government interferes to create them), securities regulation changes and credit/banking/monetary policies, are what caused the depression to start with. It was the first result of the U.S. Federal government deciding to really "control" the economy, and failed miserably.
To sum it up, the government reacted one way, then overreacted the opposite way, screwing over the country in the process. Hence why it's not a good idea to leave such things up to "central planners" who aren't as wise as you seem to think they are.
I realize that you don't really have any non-socialist political parties in Canada, so you're handicapped in this discussion, but perhaps a little research on your own is called for. Did you even read the link I added where economists demonstrated that FDR's policies turned a short-term problem about to turn around into the Great Depression?
"Yeah, don't let people start private schools, how could they possibly ever improve on public schools! What are they gonna do, cut teachers and classrooms?!?"
Of course, that leaves aside little facts like the private schools exist and are better for the kids than the public schools in the same areas....
As for your FDR theories, those programs you tout were responsible for extending the depression, not fixing it. If the USA collapses, it'll be because of socialist idiots who can't be bothered to learn history or basic economics, yet still think they should make all the decisions for everyone else.
How about we let people make up their own minds and pay for the things they personally want, instead of forcing them at gunpoint to subsidize whatever some popularity-contest winner and his crony bureacrats decide people should want?
"In this case, yes, we are talking about light. So, it would follow that photons move at the speed of light. It would be kind of impossible for them to not move at the speed of light"
Yeah, but what most people (I'm not saying you specifically don't know this) seem to miss is that light travels at different speeds. Usually, when someone refers to "the speed of light" as some sort of constant, the really mean "the speed of light in a vacuum", which is a speed very rarely actually attained by light, since even the "space" between the sun and earth isn't actually a real vacuum, but it's close, so light goes about 299,792,500 meters per second there.
The speed of light through a fiber-optic cable's cladding is about 2/3 of that (or a little slower than light through water, for another reference point), with it being evan a little bit slower in the core of the cable.
However, I will give you full points for listing the misnomer that most people don't get about the speed of electrons in cables vs. the pressure wave. Sadly, the vast majority of people who know that electricity is electrons moving have the idea that those electrons travel through the wire at the speed of light, when it's really more like m/s, not the 300 million m/s they imagine it is.
The problem doesn't go away by switching to CPA, it just moves to the other side where merchants don't accurately track purchases and coincidently reduce the amount of commission they pay.
That's a lot easier to police if you are an affiliate and know where your users should be going, but much harder to manage in the kind of environment where the publisher's don't pick the advertisers and there are thousands of them showing on a single site.
There are many merchants who don't have the technical competence to make sure CPA is being tracked properly, let alone the ethics.
The other flipside is that moving from CPC to CPA, you have to worry about how well the merchant designed their site to convert incoming leads, where before you worried about how properly relevent the people making the clicks on the publisher's page are.
So yeah, you can change the problem by moving from CPC to CPA, but it just creates a different set of problems to deal with. The reality is that the advertisers have to discount a certain percentage of clicks (probably 1% in most non-volitile, low EPC industries) and the ad brokers like Google have to stay after finding invalid clicks.
Your post thus proving the point that most people's definition of intelligence is something along the lines of "how well someone agrees with me".
Perhaps you should look at some actual demographic data for say, FOX news and Rush Limbaugh's audiences and then try to use that to illustrate your point?
Faced with that situation (assuming they don't have a pre-existing policy posted, like most I've seen do), their best bet would be to say, "Hold on a few minutes, Sir, while I get your change" and just take your bill to the bank (or somewhere with enough cash) to get change for you.
Slow customer service, but hey, you gave them the large bill....
You can't legally refuse to accept any real denomination of money in payment of a debt unless you establish it as a policy and post a notice to that effect in advance.
That's why you see all those signs about not accepting bills over $50, etc... Without the sign, they can't use the denomination as an excuse not to take the money.
At least, that's what the cops concluded when a friend of mine called them from a towing yard after they refused to take $181 in loose pennies as payment to get his car out. After calling it in, the cop basically told the towing guy that since he didn't have a sign, if he didn't take the pennies my friend would own the place after sueing.
Of course, the whole time he whined about being stuck in the office counting pennies instead of being able to make more money by towing more cars.
Since he had towed my friend's car for double-parking in a private parking spot that he had permission to park in, while leaving two cars right next door parked in a red zone (which is actually why he had been called out), we felt really bad for the tow truck guy....
The main problem with Time Warner is the same as the problem with the government "non-profit", they are a government granted monopoly (local cable, in this case), so their customer is the government folks who periodically make the decisions, not the people who pay for their service.
It's amazing the huge difference in customer service you get between a non-monopoly satellite provider over a monopoly cable company. They aren't perfect, but they're probably 20 times better.
If it's "Open Source", then where can I get the source?
The article headline says "Open Source", but the text of the article just says that the software is free to police forces. Since it was also developed with the help of a couple of police forces, that makes sense, however, "Free for police" and "Open source" aren't the same thing.
Since most news stories have a different person writing the headline than writes the article itself, I'd assume that the headline writer is confused about what open source is (or didn't read the article carefully) and this software isn't "Open Source" at all.
(Yes, I'm referring to the linked article and headline itself, not the/. summary, for those who don't read the articles.)
See also a previous comment in another story for the perils of the government setting up a [whatever] to regulate nanotech.
Better to not have any regulations at all then to let those who would break the regulations or who want to avoid competition in nanotech become the ones creating the regulations.
The fox guarding the henhouse is the normal way most government works.
The timeline of a board/commission/department/[whatever] that is supposed to deal with a problem:
1. Concerned citizens see a problem/crises and demand that their reps "Do something about it!" 2. The legislature creates a [whatever] to "Do something about it!" 3. The concerned citizens see that something has been "Done" and get bored with the issue, moving on to another issue that's now in the news. 4. The new [whatever] looks around for "experts" in the area they are supposed to be dealing with. 5. The affected industry, ngos and other special interest groups are the ones who actually have the "experts" to supply. 6. They also actually have a stake in what the [whatever] does, so they stick around and do whatever is necessary to control the [whatever]. Since no one else cares, they typically gain control within 0-3 years of [whatever's] existance. 7. ??? (Traditional/. step) 8. Profit! (for the special interest groups, because now they can use [whatever] to stick it to any new competition and preserve and expand their own power.)
Take a look at just about any [whatever] that is "supposed" to be regulating something and you'll pretty much see the above pattern.
Well, since my last company had most of their servers in a data center room where we had two different floods, I'd say I have a pretty good idea which hosting company will be the first to bring water into the data center...
The first problem was snow that piled up outside, combined with clogged drains, that led to melting snow coming in through the wall where some pipes entered/exited. Since their layout was power in the floor and networking in the ladder racks, it's actually pretty amazing that a large portion of the power plugs and switches still worked, even while being submerged in 6 inches of water.
So about a year after they had taken care of that issue, a water pipe for a bathroom on the floor above burst, and of course the water came down right in our room in the hosting center. It wasn't so bad until the flourescent lights in the ceiling filled up and started to over flow. We were able to limit the damage by throwing tarps over the tops of all the racks (there goes your cooling effect, though), but we still lost about 100K worth of server and switching equipment.
So yeah, water in the data center? It's been done.
"Not everyone in this world are hackers looking for a way to exploit a system."
No, but the most likely source of people who ARE looking for ways to exploit a system are employees of the company that owns the system.
Your company is much more likely to be exploited by an insider with physical access than to be sucessfully attacked from the internet by someone else.
See, it's the people who work there who actually care about what your systems are supposed to be doing. That gives them motivation for doing things with them that they aren't supposed to. The vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't even know your systems exist, let alone care what they are doing.
Like I said, it's a bad and unneccesary law. They are passing it to look good to the voters and get media attention, not to actually accomplish anything new.
Check sections 1a and 3 below. They seem to indicate that URL, DNS or IP are the options for the AG and that the list must be electronically accessible. DNS servers would fit all that and be an easy way to manage it, but yeah, they're are plenty of other options as well.
7-5-19. Adult content registry. (1) As used in this section:
(a) "Access restricted" means access restricted as defined in Section 76-10-1230.
(b) "Consumer" means a consumer as defined in Section 76-10-1230.
(c) "Content provider" means a content provider as defined in Section 76-10-1230.
(d) "Hosting company" means a hosting company as defined in Section 76-10-1230.
(e) "Service provider" means a service provider as defined in Section 76-10-1230.
(2) The attorney general, in consultation with other entities as the attorney general
considers appropriate, shall:
(a) create a database, called the adult content registry, consisting of a list of content
providers' sites, that shall be based on a Uniform Resource Locator address, domain name, and
Internet Protocol address or a similar addressing system, that:
(i) are added to the database under Subsection (2)(b); and
(ii) provide material harmful to minors that is not access restricted;
(b) add a content provider site to the adult content registry only if the attorney general
determines that the content provider is providing content that contains material harmful to minors
that is not access restricted;
(c) when the attorney general determines that a content provider site should be placed on
the adult content registry, if the content provider lists e-mail contact information, the attorney
general shall notify the content provider and hosting company, if available, by e-mail:
(i) that the content provider is providing content that contains material harmful to minors
that is not access restricted;
(ii) that the attorney general will place the content provider site on the adult content
registry five business days after the notice is sent;
(iii) that the content provider can avoid being placed on the adult content registry if any
material harmful to minors is access restricted; and
(iv) of the steps necessary for the content provider or hosting company to apply to be
removed from the adult content registry;
(d) (i) if notification is required under Subsection (2)(c), place a content provider site on the adult content registry five business days after the day on which the division makes the
required notification; or
(ii) if notification is not required under Subsection (2)(c), place a content provider site on
the adult content registry five business days after the day on which the attorney general
determines that the content provider should be placed on the adult content registry; and
(e) if requested by a content provider, remove a content provider from the adult content
registry within two business days from the day on which the attorney general determines that the
content provider no longer provides material harmful to minors that is not access restricted.
(3) The attorney general shall make the adult content registry available for public
dissemination in a readily accessible access restricted electronic format.
(4) The attorney general shall establish a system for the reporting of material transmitted
to a consumer in violation of Section 76-10-1232.
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You say you read the article, yet you continue with "Yes I did and no, it was not "a short-term problem" to begin with."
So let's grab a summary line from the article:
"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."
Just to make the connection there for you, very rapid=short term.
And yes, for those others who didn't read the article, these conclusions are from a peer-reviewed article published for economic scholars by a team of respected economists at UCLA.
Feel free to dispute their data or methodology, but constantly just stating your contrary opinions in post after post doesn't make the facts change one whit.
Blockbuster, Netflix, Seminar libraries, Law libraries, etc... are the modern equivalent. They mostly serve book niches or things like DVDs where current public libraries don't do a good job.
As you say, most libraries started out a either private club-like affairs, off-shoots of print-shops (similar to a modern blockbuster) or charitable foundations started by private citizens.
Over time, as governments started funding them, the percieved "need" for other people to do it went away and private organizations mostly fell prey to the "the government is doing it, so I will worry about something else" attitude.
As with any business(getting back on topic with wifi networks), if the government comes in with a taxpayer funded solution "free" to your customers, even if you have better service and selection, it's hard to compete with "free" for very long.
Go back to the history books.
"Uncontrolled and unregulated Capitalism is what caused the catastrophy"
Government control and regulations, especially those regarding monopolies (establishing them, since big monopolies pretty much only happen and last when the government interferes to create them), securities regulation changes and credit/banking/monetary policies, are what caused the depression to start with. It was the first result of the U.S. Federal government deciding to really "control" the economy, and failed miserably.
To sum it up, the government reacted one way, then overreacted the opposite way, screwing over the country in the process. Hence why it's not a good idea to leave such things up to "central planners" who aren't as wise as you seem to think they are.
I realize that you don't really have any non-socialist political parties in Canada, so you're handicapped in this discussion, but perhaps a little research on your own is called for. Did you even read the link I added where economists demonstrated that FDR's policies turned a short-term problem about to turn around into the Great Depression?
To paraphrase you:
"Yeah, don't let people start private schools, how could they possibly ever improve on public schools! What are they gonna do, cut teachers and classrooms?!?"
Of course, that leaves aside little facts like the private schools exist and are better for the kids than the public schools in the same areas....
As for your FDR theories, those programs you tout were responsible for extending the depression, not fixing it. If the USA collapses, it'll be because of socialist idiots who can't be bothered to learn history or basic economics, yet still think they should make all the decisions for everyone else.
How about we let people make up their own minds and pay for the things they personally want, instead of forcing them at gunpoint to subsidize whatever some popularity-contest winner and his crony bureacrats decide people should want?
"In this case, yes, we are talking about light. So, it would follow that photons move at the speed of light. It would be kind of impossible for them to not move at the speed of light"
Yeah, but what most people (I'm not saying you specifically don't know this) seem to miss is that light travels at different speeds. Usually, when someone refers to "the speed of light" as some sort of constant, the really mean "the speed of light in a vacuum", which is a speed very rarely actually attained by light, since even the "space" between the sun and earth isn't actually a real vacuum, but it's close, so light goes about 299,792,500 meters per second there.
The speed of light through a fiber-optic cable's cladding is about 2/3 of that (or a little slower than light through water, for another reference point), with it being evan a little bit slower in the core of the cable.
However, I will give you full points for listing the misnomer that most people don't get about the speed of electrons in cables vs. the pressure wave. Sadly, the vast majority of people who know that electricity is electrons moving have the idea that those electrons travel through the wire at the speed of light, when it's really more like m/s, not the 300 million m/s they imagine it is.
Great, now all people need are some applications really designed to take advantage of it....
The problem doesn't go away by switching to CPA, it just moves to the other side where merchants don't accurately track purchases and coincidently reduce the amount of commission they pay.
That's a lot easier to police if you are an affiliate and know where your users should be going, but much harder to manage in the kind of environment where the publisher's don't pick the advertisers and there are thousands of them showing on a single site.
There are many merchants who don't have the technical competence to make sure CPA is being tracked properly, let alone the ethics.
The other flipside is that moving from CPC to CPA, you have to worry about how well the merchant designed their site to convert incoming leads, where before you worried about how properly relevent the people making the clicks on the publisher's page are.
So yeah, you can change the problem by moving from CPC to CPA, but it just creates a different set of problems to deal with. The reality is that the advertisers have to discount a certain percentage of clicks (probably 1% in most non-volitile, low EPC industries) and the ad brokers like Google have to stay after finding invalid clicks.
Yeah, really. The next story will be:
*** NEWSFLASH ***
"Web Logs" on most websites could be used by the site owner to track your every page request!
Your post thus proving the point that most people's definition of intelligence is something along the lines of "how well someone agrees with me".
Perhaps you should look at some actual demographic data for say, FOX news and Rush Limbaugh's audiences and then try to use that to illustrate your point?
Not unless they are stupid.
Faced with that situation (assuming they don't have a pre-existing policy posted, like most I've seen do), their best bet would be to say, "Hold on a few minutes, Sir, while I get your change" and just take your bill to the bank (or somewhere with enough cash) to get change for you.
Slow customer service, but hey, you gave them the large bill....
You can't legally refuse to accept any real denomination of money in payment of a debt unless you establish it as a policy and post a notice to that effect in advance.
That's why you see all those signs about not accepting bills over $50, etc... Without the sign, they can't use the denomination as an excuse not to take the money.
At least, that's what the cops concluded when a friend of mine called them from a towing yard after they refused to take $181 in loose pennies as payment to get his car out. After calling it in, the cop basically told the towing guy that since he didn't have a sign, if he didn't take the pennies my friend would own the place after sueing.
Of course, the whole time he whined about being stuck in the office counting pennies instead of being able to make more money by towing more cars.
Since he had towed my friend's car for double-parking in a private parking spot that he had permission to park in, while leaving two cars right next door parked in a red zone (which is actually why he had been called out), we felt really bad for the tow truck guy....
The main problem with Time Warner is the same as the problem with the government "non-profit", they are a government granted monopoly (local cable, in this case), so their customer is the government folks who periodically make the decisions, not the people who pay for their service.
It's amazing the huge difference in customer service you get between a non-monopoly satellite provider over a monopoly cable company. They aren't perfect, but they're probably 20 times better.
If it's "Open Source", then where can I get the source?
/. summary, for those who don't read the articles.)
The article headline says "Open Source", but the text of the article just says that the software is free to police forces. Since it was also developed with the help of a couple of police forces, that makes sense, however, "Free for police" and "Open source" aren't the same thing.
Since most news stories have a different person writing the headline than writes the article itself, I'd assume that the headline writer is confused about what open source is (or didn't read the article carefully) and this software isn't "Open Source" at all.
(Yes, I'm referring to the linked article and headline itself, not the
See also a previous comment in another story for the perils of the government setting up a [whatever] to regulate nanotech.
Better to not have any regulations at all then to let those who would break the regulations or who want to avoid competition in nanotech become the ones creating the regulations.
The fox guarding the henhouse is the normal way most government works.
/. step)
The timeline of a board/commission/department/[whatever] that is supposed to deal with a problem:
1. Concerned citizens see a problem/crises and demand that their reps "Do something about it!"
2. The legislature creates a [whatever] to "Do something about it!"
3. The concerned citizens see that something has been "Done" and get bored with the issue, moving on to another issue that's now in the news.
4. The new [whatever] looks around for "experts" in the area they are supposed to be dealing with.
5. The affected industry, ngos and other special interest groups are the ones who actually have the "experts" to supply.
6. They also actually have a stake in what the [whatever] does, so they stick around and do whatever is necessary to control the [whatever]. Since no one else cares, they typically gain control within 0-3 years of [whatever's] existance.
7. ??? (Traditional
8. Profit! (for the special interest groups, because now they can use [whatever] to stick it to any new competition and preserve and expand their own power.)
Take a look at just about any [whatever] that is "supposed" to be regulating something and you'll pretty much see the above pattern.
That's impressive, but it'd be more impressive if it was actually turned on while it was submerged....
Well, since my last company had most of their servers in a data center room where we had two different floods, I'd say I have a pretty good idea which hosting company will be the first to bring water into the data center ...
The first problem was snow that piled up outside, combined with clogged drains, that led to melting snow coming in through the wall where some pipes entered/exited. Since their layout was power in the floor and networking in the ladder racks, it's actually pretty amazing that a large portion of the power plugs and switches still worked, even while being submerged in 6 inches of water.
So about a year after they had taken care of that issue, a water pipe for a bathroom on the floor above burst, and of course the water came down right in our room in the hosting center. It wasn't so bad until the flourescent lights in the ceiling filled up and started to over flow. We were able to limit the damage by throwing tarps over the tops of all the racks (there goes your cooling effect, though), but we still lost about 100K worth of server and switching equipment.
So yeah, water in the data center? It's been done.
To install both you use portinstall and either specify which you want on the command line or let it pick which is the latest for you.
...)
(Yes, portinstall is really the same as portupgrade with slightly different defaults, but let's not get too involved here
"Not everyone in this world are hackers looking for a way to exploit a system."
No, but the most likely source of people who ARE looking for ways to exploit a system are employees of the company that owns the system.
Your company is much more likely to be exploited by an insider with physical access than to be sucessfully attacked from the internet by someone else.
See, it's the people who work there who actually care about what your systems are supposed to be doing. That gives them motivation for doing things with them that they aren't supposed to. The vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't even know your systems exist, let alone care what they are doing.
Try Swish-e for indexing and searching word docs, pdfs, or anything else that can be converted to text.
What, the product isn't a holographic sticker that I can put on the side of my monitor to make it stay clean?
They should have tried Golden Delicious Apples, instead of Macintosh Apples.
In blind taste tests, monkeys prefer eating Golden Delicious Apples over getting their head smashed through windows 97-3.
At least it's not a Dupe....
I think they should drop the ! from the name. Makes it look too much like a joke company.
Like I said, it's a bad and unneccesary law. They are passing it to look good to the voters and get media attention, not to actually accomplish anything new.
. . . . .
Check sections 1a and 3 below. They seem to indicate that URL, DNS or IP are the options for the AG and that the list must be electronically accessible. DNS servers would fit all that and be an easy way to manage it, but yeah, they're are plenty of other options as well.
7-5-19. Adult content registry.
(1) As used in this section:
(a) "Access restricted" means access restricted as defined in Section 76-10-1230
(b) "Consumer" means a consumer as defined in Section 76-10-1230
(c) "Content provider" means a content provider as defined in Section 76-10-1230
(d) "Hosting company" means a hosting company as defined in Section 76-10-1230
(e) "Service provider" means a service provider as defined in Section 76-10-1230
(2) The attorney general, in consultation with other entities as the attorney general
considers appropriate, shall:
(a) create a database, called the adult content registry, consisting of a list of content
providers' sites, that shall be based on a Uniform Resource Locator address, domain name, and
Internet Protocol address or a similar addressing system, that:
(i) are added to the database under Subsection (2)(b); and
(ii) provide material harmful to minors that is not access restricted;
(b) add a content provider site to the adult content registry only if the attorney general
determines that the content provider is providing content that contains material harmful to minors
that is not access restricted;
(c) when the attorney general determines that a content provider site should be placed on
the adult content registry, if the content provider lists e-mail contact information, the attorney
general shall notify the content provider and hosting company, if available, by e-mail:
(i) that the content provider is providing content that contains material harmful to minors
that is not access restricted;
(ii) that the attorney general will place the content provider site on the adult content
registry five business days after the notice is sent;
(iii) that the content provider can avoid being placed on the adult content registry if any
material harmful to minors is access restricted; and
(iv) of the steps necessary for the content provider or hosting company to apply to be
removed from the adult content registry;
(d) (i) if notification is required under Subsection (2)(c), place a content provider site on the adult content registry five business days after the day on which the division makes the
required notification; or
(ii) if notification is not required under Subsection (2)(c), place a content provider site on
the adult content registry five business days after the day on which the attorney general
determines that the content provider should be placed on the adult content registry; and
(e) if requested by a content provider, remove a content provider from the adult content
registry within two business days from the day on which the attorney general determines that the
content provider no longer provides material harmful to minors that is not access restricted.
(3) The attorney general shall make the adult content registry available for public
dissemination in a readily accessible access restricted electronic format.
(4) The attorney general shall establish a system for the reporting of material transmitted
to a consumer in violation of Section 76-10-1232.