I agree. I only buy graphic cards that have no fan, good quality, TV output, some basic 3D functions, and video functions. I was thinking of buying a NVidia 5200 or ATI 9000/9200, but I realised my current ATI 7000 SDRAM satisfies me (nearly 1800 points on 3DMark 01)
I remember 8 years ago, playing with a friends wrist watch that included a IR remote controler... We liked to turn the volume of TVs in the store to the max, and watch the sellsman jump to unplug the device...
Yes, sorry, I confused. This problem was about the order of evaluation. But I cannot understand why VC++6 has different oreder of evalutation, when in Debug mode and in Release mode.
I won't be able to post the code because:
- I wrote it two years ago
- since it was problem prone, I changed it the days that followed
- I don't work in the same company now
When I arrived at SAGEM, progammers wereeven releasing Debug versions of their programs, because they didn't want to spend time on finding why release mode was not working (in fact, it was essentialy because in debug mode VC++ was initialising data, I spent a lot of time debugging that in my first month)
I must say that when I first saw the code, it was really messy... So the cleanup was long and difficult. I remember the problem occured in a private static const function that dealt with the serial port.
Code collapsing sounds a cool feature, but the VC++ we used (VC6) didn't have this. Now, I don't code in C/C++ anymore, or just for fun. I use the worst IDE I know of (even if it feature some kind of "code collapsing"): Cool:GEN to produce COBOL
I know about the clean and rebuild all. I tried. But it didn't work. In fact, all the problems began when I asked people to use the const keyword to prevent some side effects at compile time.
Borland C++ Builder, at the time I used it, had the code completion thing. I don't know what code collapsing is. I suspect you are talking about Borland C++, not Borland C++ Builder. I used Borland C++ 4.5 and 5, those were buggy IDEs. Worst was Watcom C++ IDE. The text editor could hang the computer 4 times a day.
But you use the compiler and IDE your company owns. But VC++6 never had my preference in one aspect: it produces faster code than borland compiler.
Re:this is all well and good
on
GCC 3.3 Released
·
· Score: 2, Interesting
Visual Studio (v6) is a really bad IDE. I prefer Borland C++ Builder from far.
And Visual C++ is really abject on some aspects: why does it compiles things differently if you are in debug mode?
I used VC++ to code a file compression utility. Operator precedence is not the same between debug and release compiler mode. Debug had the same behaviour than GCC, Watcom or Borland. Release mode had a different behaviour. Not nice, since it took me hours to find wherethe bug was, since you can't easily debug a release executable...
Moreover, speed-optimisation nearly always produces bad code. And debugging 'const' functions in C++ make the debugger go wild.
Borland had neither of those problems. And the code looked cleaner when showed by BC++ Builder.
Nevertheless, what I really like is the EclipseIDE, and the IDE of BeOS.
Not really, because young people have the internet, and older have the minitel. And elders have the postal mail.
The mother of a friend of mine use the minitel to access her bank account. She tried on the internet once, then she found it comlpicated: need to wait for the computer to start, need to be on the desktop were the computer stands, need to use a mouse, and last but not least, the keyboard has too much keys on a computer (and not in alphabetical order)
I think the portable entertainement device Sony has announced won't be much of a game device finally. The cost of the system, in front of a nintendo gameboy, will be really high. Just calculate the precision of a 11.52cm 16/9 TFT screen. Pitch: 0.21mm.
And has anybody try to play 3D games on a 5.4 inches screen? Pretty difficult, details are lost, everything is to small. You'll need specifically designed games, with big characters. Those games are very limited, because you need to keep things big enough. In fact, 3D is nearly unusable on small screens.
Battery life will be a serious concern, as for the size and the weight of the device! They will need a GBASP like device to protect the big TFT screen.
Moreover, Sony has always announced really more than thy did. See the PS2 announcement, the PS3 announcement. I can't remember before.
This device will be another MP4/Audio player in the market. Just that.
And more: Opteron needs specifically compiled binaries to show its full power.
Not that I think it's a bad thing. But it shows that OpenSource solution will be more easily available for Opterons than comercial specifically compiled and optimised software, thanks gcc.
I don't think Intel C++ compiler will support Opteron's new registers.
In my case, this is a great problem (and that's why I don't own a MP3 player or a netMD): my stereo doesn't have a line out, and my computer freezes when I try to read a copy protected CD.
WHAT?? 2GHz+ computers?
I bought a standalone DVD player, since I was not very pleased watching DVD on the computer, or watching it on TV with the computer on. I was not very pleased with my 10 meters cable crossing the corridor to watch DVDs on a good TV with my girlfriend.
Why would I need to go back to my computer to enjoy HiRes images on a small screen, while I could enjoy mid res images on a medium size screen that satisfy me???
Why should my ear get fed up with that boring computer fan noise?
Why should I use 150W to watch movies, while I could only use 55W?
Why should my ugly beige box be the center of all my medias? I am satisfied with what I have now...
In France, porn movies and reviews are on the higher shelves. They even can be in a different room, which access is restrained to adult people.
In Germany, porn can on any shelf, but you can find video games shops where violent games are in a different room, for 18+.
I remember when comanche (the first) has been declared "violent".
Germany has a long story now of debates on which game is violent. What you can draw is that games that are addictive and in which you mae fun of killing people are "violent". Games like combat flight simulator are saw in a completely different way than C&C.
Remember, Germany has even banned the "Jungle speed" card game, because it was too dangerous.(I aggree, this card game is deadly dangerous! But so fun!)
Don't you think Intel will try to:
- decrease market for desktop computers
- increase market for notebooks
- really increase market for embedded toys and gadgets
- eventually and finally make my awfull, noisy 32-bits CPU disappear in my fat screenand be as powerfull while needing less power and no fan
- try to recreate a gap between servers and desktop computers (no more P3 servers while we should sell Xeon servers)
Don't you think intel is making a choice that is constructive?
Where do we really need more bits?
Hints:
- file systems, no more 2Gigs limit. This alreadyexists on 32bits systems that are not sold by a certain Redmond firm.
- video cards. No more 24 bits modes, welcome to 30 and 48bits!
- digital camera: same thing. At least, please, do make some 24bits floating point pixels. More contrast please please please. And then I could buy one of those device.
- sound. It already exists,but welcometocheap Envy24based sound cards!
Intel SIMD extensions are far more useful than 64bits operations for most of people.
At last Intel produces the Centrino, the first Intel chip I am impatient to see at work. Before to move toward the 64bits, we could try to improve our software, and try to take as much computtionnal power as we can from each Hz we have.
Slashdot Mirror
I agree. I only buy graphic cards that have no fan, good quality, TV output, some basic 3D functions, and video functions. I was thinking of buying a NVidia 5200 or ATI 9000/9200, but I realised my current ATI 7000 SDRAM satisfies me (nearly 1800 points on 3DMark 01)
I remember 8 years ago, playing with a friends wrist watch that included a IR remote controler... We liked to turn the volume of TVs in the store to the max, and watch the sellsman jump to unplug the device...
Yes, sorry, I confused. This problem was about the order of evaluation. But I cannot understand why VC++6 has different oreder of evalutation, when in Debug mode and in Release mode. I won't be able to post the code because: - I wrote it two years ago - since it was problem prone, I changed it the days that followed - I don't work in the same company now When I arrived at SAGEM, progammers wereeven releasing Debug versions of their programs, because they didn't want to spend time on finding why release mode was not working (in fact, it was essentialy because in debug mode VC++ was initialising data, I spent a lot of time debugging that in my first month)
I must say that when I first saw the code, it was really messy... So the cleanup was long and difficult. I remember the problem occured in a private static const function that dealt with the serial port. Code collapsing sounds a cool feature, but the VC++ we used (VC6) didn't have this. Now, I don't code in C/C++ anymore, or just for fun. I use the worst IDE I know of (even if it feature some kind of "code collapsing"): Cool:GEN to produce COBOL
I know about the clean and rebuild all. I tried. But it didn't work. In fact, all the problems began when I asked people to use the const keyword to prevent some side effects at compile time. Borland C++ Builder, at the time I used it, had the code completion thing. I don't know what code collapsing is. I suspect you are talking about Borland C++, not Borland C++ Builder. I used Borland C++ 4.5 and 5, those were buggy IDEs. Worst was Watcom C++ IDE. The text editor could hang the computer 4 times a day. But you use the compiler and IDE your company owns. But VC++6 never had my preference in one aspect: it produces faster code than borland compiler.
Visual Studio (v6) is a really bad IDE. I prefer Borland C++ Builder from far. And Visual C++ is really abject on some aspects: why does it compiles things differently if you are in debug mode? I used VC++ to code a file compression utility. Operator precedence is not the same between debug and release compiler mode. Debug had the same behaviour than GCC, Watcom or Borland. Release mode had a different behaviour. Not nice, since it took me hours to find wherethe bug was, since you can't easily debug a release executable... Moreover, speed-optimisation nearly always produces bad code. And debugging 'const' functions in C++ make the debugger go wild. Borland had neither of those problems. And the code looked cleaner when showed by BC++ Builder. Nevertheless, what I really like is the EclipseIDE, and the IDE of BeOS.
Not really, because young people have the internet, and older have the minitel. And elders have the postal mail. The mother of a friend of mine use the minitel to access her bank account. She tried on the internet once, then she found it comlpicated: need to wait for the computer to start, need to be on the desktop were the computer stands, need to use a mouse, and last but not least, the keyboard has too much keys on a computer (and not in alphabetical order)
I think the portable entertainement device Sony has announced won't be much of a game device finally. The cost of the system, in front of a nintendo gameboy, will be really high. Just calculate the precision of a 11.52cm 16/9 TFT screen. Pitch: 0.21mm. And has anybody try to play 3D games on a 5.4 inches screen? Pretty difficult, details are lost, everything is to small. You'll need specifically designed games, with big characters. Those games are very limited, because you need to keep things big enough. In fact, 3D is nearly unusable on small screens. Battery life will be a serious concern, as for the size and the weight of the device! They will need a GBASP like device to protect the big TFT screen. Moreover, Sony has always announced really more than thy did. See the PS2 announcement, the PS3 announcement. I can't remember before. This device will be another MP4/Audio player in the market. Just that.
And more: Opteron needs specifically compiled binaries to show its full power. Not that I think it's a bad thing. But it shows that OpenSource solution will be more easily available for Opterons than comercial specifically compiled and optimised software, thanks gcc. I don't think Intel C++ compiler will support Opteron's new registers.
In my case, this is a great problem (and that's why I don't own a MP3 player or a netMD): my stereo doesn't have a line out, and my computer freezes when I try to read a copy protected CD.
Then, how do you transfer your CD to MP3 player???
Maybe they shoudl hire more monkeys...
WHAT?? 2GHz+ computers? I bought a standalone DVD player, since I was not very pleased watching DVD on the computer, or watching it on TV with the computer on. I was not very pleased with my 10 meters cable crossing the corridor to watch DVDs on a good TV with my girlfriend. Why would I need to go back to my computer to enjoy HiRes images on a small screen, while I could enjoy mid res images on a medium size screen that satisfy me??? Why should my ear get fed up with that boring computer fan noise? Why should I use 150W to watch movies, while I could only use 55W? Why should my ugly beige box be the center of all my medias? I am satisfied with what I have now...
In France, porn movies and reviews are on the higher shelves. They even can be in a different room, which access is restrained to adult people. In Germany, porn can on any shelf, but you can find video games shops where violent games are in a different room, for 18+. I remember when comanche (the first) has been declared "violent". Germany has a long story now of debates on which game is violent. What you can draw is that games that are addictive and in which you mae fun of killing people are "violent". Games like combat flight simulator are saw in a completely different way than C&C. Remember, Germany has even banned the "Jungle speed" card game, because it was too dangerous.(I aggree, this card game is deadly dangerous! But so fun!)
Don't you think Intel will try to: - decrease market for desktop computers - increase market for notebooks - really increase market for embedded toys and gadgets - eventually and finally make my awfull, noisy 32-bits CPU disappear in my fat screenand be as powerfull while needing less power and no fan - try to recreate a gap between servers and desktop computers (no more P3 servers while we should sell Xeon servers) Don't you think intel is making a choice that is constructive? Where do we really need more bits? Hints: - file systems, no more 2Gigs limit. This alreadyexists on 32bits systems that are not sold by a certain Redmond firm. - video cards. No more 24 bits modes, welcome to 30 and 48bits! - digital camera: same thing. At least, please, do make some 24bits floating point pixels. More contrast please please please. And then I could buy one of those device. - sound. It already exists,but welcometocheap Envy24based sound cards! Intel SIMD extensions are far more useful than 64bits operations for most of people. At last Intel produces the Centrino, the first Intel chip I am impatient to see at work. Before to move toward the 64bits, we could try to improve our software, and try to take as much computtionnal power as we can from each Hz we have.