I want to make sure that I don't overlook an important facet of the proposed discount. That Microsoft considers Windows XP only $50 superior to Lindows in enough ways that the discount is warranted. Is this a testimony for Linux on the desktop or what? If the Lindows product (tightly controlled for a Linux distro) did not have sufficient quality to make it an alternative, then MS wouldn't be paying so much attention to it. I do not use Lindows, I am a Debian guy myself, but I have to be honest... I'm interested in taking a look at what Lindows has to offer, which makes you wonder if the discount MS is offering is going to have the intended effect.
I'm all for a reasonable economic redistribution in the US. I am a conservative, but I support helping out folks that need it. Broadband isn't, won't be, couldn't be, and shouldn't be considered a need. Exhibit A =
http://www.glasgow-ky.com/lan/
. Residents Glasgow Kentucky pay a RIDICULOUSLY cheap sum monthly for broadband, and I didn't have to get taxed for it! I appreciate the desire for broadband, and I use it myself. But I pay for my own access at sixty dollars a month, and I'm not very keen on contributing to someone else's access.
is another link for more information. If the public and private sectors of our telcom industries would work together instead of maintaining their current service/client relationship then we could have broadband become pervasive without taxing those specific few who are already paying a high rate for access. If Glasgow Kentucky (as rural as you really can get) can do it anyone and more importantly anywhere can do it!
Those really are some great toys, but there seems to be some missing information... does the mistress come WITH the room, or do you still have to bring your own with you?
As a reminder to all readers of Wired (READ-UNSKILLED IT MANAGEMENT AND AMATEURS) that such a small amount of code can do the folling...
1.Disrupt ATMs and Banks 2.Take down servers (humorously unpatched) of the company that created the DB software to begin with 3.Disrupt web communications world wide 4.Cause huge shifts in resources at AV companies 5.Probably more.
It is a good good thing. I'm not a coder... I get lost in my own batch file spaghetti as it is! I'm still impressed by the effectivness of the worm. With MS having such a dearth of companies willing to compete against it, black-hat folks seem to have filled the role that companies like BE couldn't. Keeping MS on its toes, and making sure that quality as a whole improves (okay... so there isn't much evidence of that last one, but I'm still hopefull!)
Sir with all due respect I've gathered some figures for you to see.
http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/1941.ht m
(Note The Japanese navy surpassed the American + British + Netherlands navies COMBINED)
I agree that Militarily we dropped the ball. But this thread relates to the results of inadequate defense spending. I certainly did not mean any offense and I am certainly proud of that generation and their accomplishments.
I'm simply a proponent of adequate defense spending TODAY!
Thanks for correcting me... LOL believe it or not I meant to hit 44 but I toggled the 3 instead that dang preview button should be useful but I'm not that aggressive:-). BTW I'm not a WW buff, and memory isn't what it used to be. Thank you for your help.
This isn't going to be popular. At the end of WW1 with the Treaty of Versailles Germany was soundly placed in the position of a 3rd world country. Inflation rocketed to over 1000%, and the economic system in Germany collapsed under the weight of an impoverished population. At this time the United States (feeling quite secure in the victory it helped achieve) entered a new age of prosperity... during the 1920s the US economy experienced enormous gains and the US population was much wealthier as a result. One of the other things that happened in the US was a DRAMATIC drop in defense spending, and a general feeling in the US that our military was too large and expensive. In short the US stopped development of new weapons, and barely maintained it's existing equipment. The depression hit in 1929... the economy in the US tanked... defense fell even further in capability. Then, on Dec 7, 1941 it hit the fan... with the US unable to detect, or defend against a Japanese assault @ Pearl Harbor. Quite factually the Japansese could easily have invaded Hawaii with ground forces and the US could do nothing about it... thankfully they didn't. For the first 2 full years of World War 2 the US (and it's soldiers) suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Japanese. It would be 2 years before the US would win a single major naval battle agains Japan... and we all know it wasn't until 1943 that Normandy was invaded at a huge cost. Only 4% of the invaders @ Normandy made it un-injured. The long and short of it? NO ONE predicted that Germany would become so powerful after WW1. NO ONE thought that defense spedning would be important. NO ONE imagined that one million men and women in the US military would die in the first two years because we weren't equipped to fight. Heck at the beggining of WW2 the US did NOT have a main battle tank. The Germans DID develop them. I'm a US citizen, former soldier (13 years), and proud American. The fact is the "others" in the world WILL develop, maintain and create evil weapons. History is riddled with those examples. Sure, you think defense spending is high... but it isn't YOUR life that relies on it. I don't mean to sound preachy, and I'll get off of my soap box. Please look at the past to see what will be in our future if we're not careful.
Dateline OZ....
As reported earlier the Wicked Witch and her consortium of mean little monkeys has licensed rights to the Ruby Slippers from Glenda the Good Witch. Glenda, who is suffering financial problems, and was unable to leverage her IP against the Dorothy Corp (NYSE-DC) and with little opportunities elswhere in the Good Witch market it was assumed that the Good Witch franchise (NYSE-GWF) would soon collapse under the weight of farm houses.
Timing IS everything!
I disagree. On several points.
Company B did not become a reseller for Company A. In this instance Company B (Sco) actually participated in the engineering of, modification of, design of, and architecture of the final product. It isn't about GPL nor shold it be, but it IS about the fact that SCO saw, manipulated, approved of, and distributed the source code for Linux. Approval of the code, and its contents is most certainly implied here.
On copyright. You're right copyright DOES maintain it's integrity, but here that isn't the issue either. GPL does not confer ownership of code it simply permits everyone everywhere the free use of it. Again SCO's copyright is irrelevant because they voluntarily with full knowledge transfered their copyright holdings from the IP status it held to the GPL status it currently holds. They still may claim whatever ownership the please, but the license holders (i.e. the people that used their distro of linux) have agreed to a license that permits unfettered use of that code. SCO is BOUND completely to honor the license they imposed on their end users which explicitly gives the end users permission to use, modify and distribute the code (including SCO's claimed IP) in any way that the end user chooses with respect to the GPL.
This SCO lawsuit is a good thing. A very good thing for the GPL itself, and Linux in general. As far as I know there has been no test of the GPL in the courts, and before long there definitely will be.
It is far better for OSS to have a precedent set in such a favorable environment than it would be if (at some later date) OSS and the GPL are challenged in an environment where they are likely to lose.
I'm not a lawyer. I thank God everyday that I'm not a lawyer. But it seems as that until the GPL has the authority of law behind it (judicial law that is) there will always be a question about it's ability to maintain the freedom of the code.
It doesn't matter WHAT Microsoft claims, or anyone else. Remember Wordperfect? Wordperfect was THE standard and they were betamaxed by a substandard joke of a word processor called Word. Why? Because it was freely distributed with OS licenses, and bundled cheaply. So it will be with Linux.
Sco claims that Linux violates their IP.
Sco also distributes Linux.
Linux is licensed by the GPL.
GPL = Free Code
Errr... Maybe the only blood that will be let is from the hole that they shot in their own foot?
It seems to me that they've already GPL'd whatever Unix code there "may" be when they condoned, sanctioned, and released their own distro of Linux.
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I want to make sure that I don't overlook an important facet of the proposed discount. That Microsoft considers Windows XP only $50 superior to Lindows in enough ways that the discount is warranted. Is this a testimony for Linux on the desktop or what? If the Lindows product (tightly controlled for a Linux distro) did not have sufficient quality to make it an alternative, then MS wouldn't be paying so much attention to it. I do not use Lindows, I am a Debian guy myself, but I have to be honest... I'm interested in taking a look at what Lindows has to offer, which makes you wonder if the discount MS is offering is going to have the intended effect.
- http://www.glasgow-ky.com/lan/
. Residents Glasgow Kentucky pay a RIDICULOUSLY cheap sum monthly for broadband, and I didn't have to get taxed for it! I appreciate the desire for broadband, and I use it myself. But I pay for my own access at sixty dollars a month, and I'm not very keen on contributing to someone else's access.- http://telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_why_best_
d eal/
is another link for more information. If the public and private sectors of our telcom industries would work together instead of maintaining their current service/client relationship then we could have broadband become pervasive without taxing those specific few who are already paying a high rate for access. If Glasgow Kentucky (as rural as you really can get) can do it anyone and more importantly anywhere can do it!Those really are some great toys, but there seems to be some missing information... does the mistress come WITH the room, or do you still have to bring your own with you?
As a reminder to all readers of Wired (READ-UNSKILLED IT MANAGEMENT AND AMATEURS) that such a small amount of code can do the folling... 1.Disrupt ATMs and Banks 2.Take down servers (humorously unpatched) of the company that created the DB software to begin with 3.Disrupt web communications world wide 4.Cause huge shifts in resources at AV companies 5.Probably more. It is a good good thing. I'm not a coder... I get lost in my own batch file spaghetti as it is! I'm still impressed by the effectivness of the worm. With MS having such a dearth of companies willing to compete against it, black-hat folks seem to have filled the role that companies like BE couldn't. Keeping MS on its toes, and making sure that quality as a whole improves (okay... so there isn't much evidence of that last one, but I'm still hopefull!)
Sir with all due respect I've gathered some figures for you to see.
t m
http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/1941.h
(Note The Japanese navy surpassed the American + British + Netherlands navies COMBINED)
I agree that Militarily we dropped the ball. But this thread relates to the results of inadequate defense spending. I certainly did not mean any offense and I am certainly proud of that generation and their accomplishments.
I'm simply a proponent of adequate defense spending TODAY!
Thanks for correcting me... LOL believe it or not I meant to hit 44 but I toggled the 3 instead that dang preview button should be useful but I'm not that aggressive :-). BTW I'm not a WW buff, and memory isn't what it used to be. Thank you for your help.
This isn't going to be popular. At the end of WW1 with the Treaty of Versailles Germany was soundly placed in the position of a 3rd world country. Inflation rocketed to over 1000%, and the economic system in Germany collapsed under the weight of an impoverished population. At this time the United States (feeling quite secure in the victory it helped achieve) entered a new age of prosperity... during the 1920s the US economy experienced enormous gains and the US population was much wealthier as a result. One of the other things that happened in the US was a DRAMATIC drop in defense spending, and a general feeling in the US that our military was too large and expensive. In short the US stopped development of new weapons, and barely maintained it's existing equipment. The depression hit in 1929... the economy in the US tanked... defense fell even further in capability. Then, on Dec 7, 1941 it hit the fan... with the US unable to detect, or defend against a Japanese assault @ Pearl Harbor. Quite factually the Japansese could easily have invaded Hawaii with ground forces and the US could do nothing about it... thankfully they didn't. For the first 2 full years of World War 2 the US (and it's soldiers) suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans and Japanese. It would be 2 years before the US would win a single major naval battle agains Japan... and we all know it wasn't until 1943 that Normandy was invaded at a huge cost. Only 4% of the invaders @ Normandy made it un-injured. The long and short of it? NO ONE predicted that Germany would become so powerful after WW1. NO ONE thought that defense spedning would be important. NO ONE imagined that one million men and women in the US military would die in the first two years because we weren't equipped to fight. Heck at the beggining of WW2 the US did NOT have a main battle tank. The Germans DID develop them. I'm a US citizen, former soldier (13 years), and proud American. The fact is the "others" in the world WILL develop, maintain and create evil weapons. History is riddled with those examples. Sure, you think defense spending is high... but it isn't YOUR life that relies on it. I don't mean to sound preachy, and I'll get off of my soap box. Please look at the past to see what will be in our future if we're not careful.
Hmmmm... mabye I should find a good Unix spell checker and license it from SCO?
Dateline OZ.... As reported earlier the Wicked Witch and her consortium of mean little monkeys has licensed rights to the Ruby Slippers from Glenda the Good Witch. Glenda, who is suffering financial problems, and was unable to leverage her IP against the Dorothy Corp (NYSE-DC) and with little opportunities elswhere in the Good Witch market it was assumed that the Good Witch franchise (NYSE-GWF) would soon collapse under the weight of farm houses. Timing IS everything!
I disagree. On several points. Company B did not become a reseller for Company A. In this instance Company B (Sco) actually participated in the engineering of, modification of, design of, and architecture of the final product. It isn't about GPL nor shold it be, but it IS about the fact that SCO saw, manipulated, approved of, and distributed the source code for Linux. Approval of the code, and its contents is most certainly implied here. On copyright. You're right copyright DOES maintain it's integrity, but here that isn't the issue either. GPL does not confer ownership of code it simply permits everyone everywhere the free use of it. Again SCO's copyright is irrelevant because they voluntarily with full knowledge transfered their copyright holdings from the IP status it held to the GPL status it currently holds. They still may claim whatever ownership the please, but the license holders (i.e. the people that used their distro of linux) have agreed to a license that permits unfettered use of that code. SCO is BOUND completely to honor the license they imposed on their end users which explicitly gives the end users permission to use, modify and distribute the code (including SCO's claimed IP) in any way that the end user chooses with respect to the GPL.
This SCO lawsuit is a good thing. A very good thing for the GPL itself, and Linux in general. As far as I know there has been no test of the GPL in the courts, and before long there definitely will be. It is far better for OSS to have a precedent set in such a favorable environment than it would be if (at some later date) OSS and the GPL are challenged in an environment where they are likely to lose. I'm not a lawyer. I thank God everyday that I'm not a lawyer. But it seems as that until the GPL has the authority of law behind it (judicial law that is) there will always be a question about it's ability to maintain the freedom of the code. It doesn't matter WHAT Microsoft claims, or anyone else. Remember Wordperfect? Wordperfect was THE standard and they were betamaxed by a substandard joke of a word processor called Word. Why? Because it was freely distributed with OS licenses, and bundled cheaply. So it will be with Linux.
Sco claims that Linux violates their IP. Sco also distributes Linux. Linux is licensed by the GPL. GPL = Free Code Errr... Maybe the only blood that will be let is from the hole that they shot in their own foot? It seems to me that they've already GPL'd whatever Unix code there "may" be when they condoned, sanctioned, and released their own distro of Linux.