I have just contacted SCO and provided them with my name and address asking them to please include me in their Linux/GPL users list. Some of the most insightful/.er's have noted that it is indeed mail fraud to extor... err I mean request money from individuals by placing them under duress, not to mention the fact that there have been no services rendered and no indication that they are correct in billing.
It would behoove all linux users and companies to use their respective state councils, the trade commission and other consumer advocacy groups to place pressure on SCO to (ready for it.... here it comes.. the cliche is) put up or shut up. It would be a challenge for SCO to justify it's racketeering in several states simultaneously. The problem is that SCO is not in a defensive posture and they need to be. We have too many companies (IBM Included) that are too willing to wait for their day in court.
/.er's are a passionate people and if we would put our effort into making life difficult for sco beyond/.ing their site daily we could very well influence the 36 second press release cycle they happen to be on.
I have just received my patent on an RFID Blocker Blocking Mechanism.
It is a small 8.4oz radioactive device that is spot welded to any part of the merchandise which emits shrill radio signals in the 3Ghz spectrum culled from the choruses of 6 random songs from the 70s group ABBA. No device, person, or bat can overcome that!!!!
After that it will be the RFID blocker blocker blocking mechansim!
I was in Ybor City earlier this summer when I was attacked by a mob of homosexual cops because FaceIT identified me as Judy Garland! I still have trouble sleeping at night.
Okay. I get it. The penguin makes movies for a mouse because the rats (read lawyers)have approved it? Ohhhhhhh...... That explains why the best Disney animated movies do not come from Disney. They're using lawyers in their animation department.
I remain unimpressed. You draw a conclusion based on faulty logic. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
1. Most criminals do not NEED monitoring after they have been convicted. They're already imprisoned.
2. You are being very pendantic about non issues. Or at the very least you are as I stated articulating a point that has little if any bearing on the actual topic.
3. One MUST monitor those suspect of a crime - else how would YOU propose they be caught?
4. The scope (ie means and methods) of monitoring suspected criminals by definition must increase because the methodology to hide such activity also increases over time. (ie encryption, secure wireless etc.)
5. I am angry but not at your per se. I vented my anger out on you because you made some critically flawed assumptions about me and the reason you did so was likely that you did not read the post/article/my other responses.
6. This is NOT a high and mighty calling, nor is it a fitting subject to broach large social issues. It's about people peddling kiddie porn and that is all it's about.
You are brilliant! You have all at once a) came to a most eloquent and well articulated conclusion and b) obviously haven't actually READ anything. Tell me? How does one form an opinion without any facts? Exactly when does monitoring someone actually suspected of a crime become an influence on your rights? When is it a good time to make sure your facts are in order? Is it before or after ranting? Are you such an idealog that merely mentioning something that may or may not sound like something you might or might not have heard on TV (because we already have discovered you have trouble reading) gives you the self impression that you are an authority? Don't even go there. As I prepare to sacrifice karma on the altar of your ignorance I lift my hat to you sir. You are an idiot.
I spent 13 years of my life in the United States Army. I'm a combat veteran of Gulf War I and I have every damn right to watch after my kids and APPLAUD every damn cop that takes a molester out of society. I do not want to hear your little diatribe about rights. Have you ever risked your life for someone elses rights? If you were responsible for something more than rhetoric and vague notions of "them" against "us" you would feel differently.
Well... in the distribution of accountability if one were to exclude a particular avenue (such as webmail) then by definition you are accepting the level of risk associated with the exclusion. There are appropriate directions in accountability and they should be pressed. Remember in the end we are only looking at individuals already suspected of commiting a crime so at that point any possible avenue of investigation must be accounted for. This is what I meant to convey. We are not talking about people where innocence is presumed (not from a legalistic standpoint anyway) but the vantage point the investigative agency would have which is - they probably have commited a crime.
Poptones post as I recall was well said. That being said there are some fairly mean spirited folk pretending to have a thought-out opinion on/.
I've enjoyed this thread though and it did inspire some folks to participate. Everyone is entitled to their own opions no matter HOW stupid they are:-)
That was a joke. Thank you for your input and your challenge I appreciate it and your willingness not to be an ass.
I agree with you. But this thread is (I thought anyway) well defined. I think where "possible" and the context of it still rings true. Everyone should be accountable for what they do. I can see that you suspect I mean that "police powers" should be extended whenever possible but alas that isn't what I said. People in general should be accountable and in the context of this article that is what the Police are trying to do - hold people accountable. I have a terrible disdain for government but the fact is it serves a purpose, and for most people in America one of those purposes is to hold other citizens accountable on societies behalf. Police powers are rightly limited and should always be heavily scrutinized by the public and politicians (who also are accountable to voters).
We agree.
Wow. Okay. For the record. I do not support banning free email. Ped's do commit crimes. So do people that aren't paedophiles. I didn't react to anything. The only people that should be monitored / tracked / tagged with transponders are people that actually are already suspected of having commited a crime. I have never said that everyone should be monitored. Paedophiles were specified in the article so I too specified. There is no conspiracy. I am not a socialist/communist/evil dictaor. For the sake of pete all I said was that I'm GLAD that policing agencies will have another tool to investigate people ALREADY SUSPECTED of commiting a crime. Yes I did specify who but so did the article. This isn't about child abuse it's about policy investigations and the resources they have. My post isn't vague, folks are making assumptions that the text of my post(s) and the article itself do not support.
For the record I am not responding to any more posts.
With all due respect you are incorrect even if it only prima-facie. A right that is suspended or superceded is in all respects a right that is lost. If the government were to suspend my right of assembly then I am no longer free to excersise that right. The difference is only one of semantics. We are actually in agreement but we chose to articulate it differently.
There is a logic failure here. People that are under investigation do not have the same rights as those that are not under investigation. You seem to have the same all-or-nothing problem that seems to be so prominent. For instance. If you have your car stolen by your argument police would NOT have the investigative power to go into the chop shop with a warrant because of the locked door. People do lose some of their rights when there is sufficent reason for the police to suspect you. If it were any other way then no arrests would be made ever.
Hey guys... let's cut the flames. I'm not proposing anything Orwellian here. A - Everyone has the right (yes I said right) to commit a crime. B - Everyone has the right to vigorously defend their privacy. But should investigators be hampered? What right does the molester have to continue to perpetuate the molesting? Let's not be naive here. There must be balances in life and society. I use and love PGP, and I will fight and vote accordingly as I will not surrender my keys. We aren't talking about that at all - we are talking about investigators that are investigating peoople ALREADY suspected of that crime. The all - or - nothing arguments are false.
That's a LITTLE over-reactive isn't it? Did I even IMPLY that those extremes are needed? The answer is no and emphatically no. I want a degree of compliance for investigators. No one anywhere will get 100% privacy. I don't and you don't. Let's come to grips with reality here. I viscously defend my privacy where possible with PGP and many tools. However we are talking about people already under investigation for crimes, and what right do they have to have another agency protect their right to commit those crimes?
I have kids and I am speaking as a dad... I'm as paranoid of government as the next XFiles fan however, there comes a point in society where people should be accountable to others in that society. In the case of child pornograhpy accountability should be pressed in as many directions as possible. Let's face it while as another/.er noted that paedophilia isn't a crime it IS for the most part only paedophiliacs that commit those crimes. Any institutions or services that actively would seek to protect the identities of people that advance an inconceivably horrible agenda should also be liable under law. Kudos to any company that helps keep predators at bay.
We touch them... hold them, caress them. We play tragically old video games... we listen to mp3s. We coddle them in our open hands. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget a lot of things like what we say. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget about a lot of things like what we say. We use them to create whole new reasons for illicit software download sites ($5.00 and I'll send you the url). We use them as gravity test units and to support the "small lcd screen" industry by purchasing many repair screens. Shoot! If I had a degree in "folklore mythology" I would even use it to help me search for a job:-)
Clearly Hormel has a right to be concerned... Joe Q. and Kathy Q. Public might be strolling down the isle at the local grocery store.... suddenly a bright, blue colored tin of pasturized, processed, congealed, heart-attack-in-a-can, pulverized mostly meat by-product catches their eyes. In unison they lunge at the aforementioned delicacy hoping to devour it soon after the get home. Later in the same shopping session they come along a card board box that isn't blue, and doesn't contain mischeivous bits of animal in it - "email" "security" "penis length" printed in 72 point fonts all over it. It's lighter than the tin of meat something (we all know that cardboard weighs much less than gelatinized fat) but it still says something familiar so being the rocket scientists they are they assume it's a condiment of some sort. The kind of condiment that is dispensed by shiny, 5 inch diameter wafers. Even readers of PC Magazine should be able to figure out the difference between the gelatinous goo, and junk email! And, if we're honest with each other both spams seem to share a common sense of humor do they not? I mean what with foreskin' being the primary ingredient in both?
I do not think that the differences between open and closed source programming come down to skill, or tools that are used. It comes down to human psychology. Closed source companies hire programmers to write code, and the programers only code because their company is paying them to. Open source programmers code because they WANT to code, nobody is paying them and they aren't all interested in earning a living from their work in GNU/GPL software. In short it's because open source programmers care about their work in an intangible way that causes them to take a great deal of pride in the code they write. Great code leads to the sole reward of an open source programmer which is peer recognition.
We all know that most programmers take pride in their code. I'm not saying anything that someone that codes because they are passionate can sometimes be more careful than someone that codes because they're paid to.
Copy the ENTIRE Pearl Jam, Jimmy Buffet, and Metallica music libraries to the bad guys machines. It should take the RIAA roughly 17 minutes to find the ip addy, sue the ISP for the names of the hackers, send cease and desist letters and finally hire a group of Sherpas to hunt the villians down like gangster hit men and beat them senseless with very hard wooden clubs.
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Somewhere, there is a tiny bacteria named NEO being offered a blue pill.....
I have just contacted SCO and provided them with my name and address asking them to please include me in their Linux/GPL users list. Some of the most insightful /.er's have noted that it is indeed mail fraud to extor... err I mean request money from individuals by placing them under duress, not to mention the fact that there have been no services rendered and no indication that they are correct in billing.
/.ing their site daily we could very well influence the 36 second press release cycle they happen to be on.
It would behoove all linux users and companies to use their respective state councils, the trade commission and other consumer advocacy groups to place pressure on SCO to (ready for it.... here it comes.. the cliche is) put up or shut up. It would be a challenge for SCO to justify it's racketeering in several states simultaneously. The problem is that SCO is not in a defensive posture and they need to be. We have too many companies (IBM Included) that are too willing to wait for their day in court.
/.er's are a passionate people and if we would put our effort into making life difficult for sco beyond
Cool. Mabye I'll have a chance with Liv Tyler for the sequel! Does anyone know when the auditions start?
2002
Microsoft Yearly Earings $6.16 billion.
Microsoft Cash Reserves $46 billion
Microsoft Market Share 92% of the Desktop
Watching Ed Black poke Microsoft with the sword of it's own making - Priceless
I have just received my patent on an RFID Blocker Blocking Mechanism.
It is a small 8.4oz radioactive device that is spot welded to any part of the merchandise which emits shrill radio signals in the 3Ghz spectrum culled from the choruses of 6 random songs from the 70s group ABBA. No device, person, or bat can overcome that!!!!
After that it will be the RFID blocker blocker blocking mechansim!
I was in Ybor City earlier this summer when I was attacked by a mob of homosexual cops because FaceIT identified me as Judy Garland! I still have trouble sleeping at night.
Okay. I get it. The penguin makes movies for a mouse because the rats (read lawyers)have approved it? Ohhhhhhh...... That explains why the best Disney animated movies do not come from Disney. They're using lawyers in their animation department.
I remain unimpressed. You draw a conclusion based on faulty logic. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
1. Most criminals do not NEED monitoring after they have been convicted. They're already imprisoned.
2. You are being very pendantic about non issues. Or at the very least you are as I stated articulating a point that has little if any bearing on the actual topic.
3. One MUST monitor those suspect of a crime - else how would YOU propose they be caught?
4. The scope (ie means and methods) of monitoring suspected criminals by definition must increase because the methodology to hide such activity also increases over time. (ie encryption, secure wireless etc.)
5. I am angry but not at your per se. I vented my anger out on you because you made some critically flawed assumptions about me and the reason you did so was likely that you did not read the post/article/my other responses.
6. This is NOT a high and mighty calling, nor is it a fitting subject to broach large social issues. It's about people peddling kiddie porn and that is all it's about.
You are brilliant! You have all at once a) came to a most eloquent and well articulated conclusion and b) obviously haven't actually READ anything.
Tell me? How does one form an opinion without any facts? Exactly when does monitoring someone actually suspected of a crime become an influence on your rights? When is it a good time to make sure your facts are in order? Is it before or after ranting? Are you such an idealog that merely mentioning something that may or may not sound like something you might or might not have heard on TV (because we already have discovered you have trouble reading) gives you the self impression that you are an authority? Don't even go there. As I prepare to sacrifice karma on the altar of your ignorance I lift my hat to you sir. You are an idiot.
I spent 13 years of my life in the United States Army. I'm a combat veteran of Gulf War I and I have every damn right to watch after my kids and APPLAUD every damn cop that takes a molester out of society. I do not want to hear your little diatribe about rights. Have you ever risked your life for someone elses rights? If you were responsible for something more than rhetoric and vague notions of "them" against "us" you would feel differently.
Do you think they will add the EVIL BIT to the id cards too?
Well... in the distribution of accountability if one were to exclude a particular avenue (such as webmail) then by definition you are accepting the level of risk associated with the exclusion. There are appropriate directions in accountability and they should be pressed. Remember in the end we are only looking at individuals already suspected of commiting a crime so at that point any possible avenue of investigation must be accounted for. This is what I meant to convey. We are not talking about people where innocence is presumed (not from a legalistic standpoint anyway) but the vantage point the investigative agency would have which is - they probably have commited a crime. Poptones post as I recall was well said. That being said there are some fairly mean spirited folk pretending to have a thought-out opinion on /.
I've enjoyed this thread though and it did inspire some folks to participate. Everyone is entitled to their own opions no matter HOW stupid they are :-)
That was a joke. Thank you for your input and your challenge I appreciate it and your willingness not to be an ass.
I agree with you. But this thread is (I thought anyway) well defined. I think where "possible" and the context of it still rings true. Everyone should be accountable for what they do. I can see that you suspect I mean that "police powers" should be extended whenever possible but alas that isn't what I said. People in general should be accountable and in the context of this article that is what the Police are trying to do - hold people accountable. I have a terrible disdain for government but the fact is it serves a purpose, and for most people in America one of those purposes is to hold other citizens accountable on societies behalf. Police powers are rightly limited and should always be heavily scrutinized by the public and politicians (who also are accountable to voters). We agree.
Wow. Okay. For the record. I do not support banning free email. Ped's do commit crimes. So do people that aren't paedophiles. I didn't react to anything. The only people that should be monitored / tracked / tagged with transponders are people that actually are already suspected of having commited a crime. I have never said that everyone should be monitored. Paedophiles were specified in the article so I too specified. There is no conspiracy. I am not a socialist/communist/evil dictaor. For the sake of pete all I said was that I'm GLAD that policing agencies will have another tool to investigate people ALREADY SUSPECTED of commiting a crime. Yes I did specify who but so did the article. This isn't about child abuse it's about policy investigations and the resources they have. My post isn't vague, folks are making assumptions that the text of my post(s) and the article itself do not support. For the record I am not responding to any more posts.
With all due respect you are incorrect even if it only prima-facie. A right that is suspended or superceded is in all respects a right that is lost. If the government were to suspend my right of assembly then I am no longer free to excersise that right. The difference is only one of semantics. We are actually in agreement but we chose to articulate it differently.
There is a logic failure here. People that are under investigation do not have the same rights as those that are not under investigation. You seem to have the same all-or-nothing problem that seems to be so prominent. For instance. If you have your car stolen by your argument police would NOT have the investigative power to go into the chop shop with a warrant because of the locked door. People do lose some of their rights when there is sufficent reason for the police to suspect you. If it were any other way then no arrests would be made ever.
Hey guys... let's cut the flames. I'm not proposing anything Orwellian here. A - Everyone has the right (yes I said right) to commit a crime. B - Everyone has the right to vigorously defend their privacy. But should investigators be hampered? What right does the molester have to continue to perpetuate the molesting? Let's not be naive here. There must be balances in life and society. I use and love PGP, and I will fight and vote accordingly as I will not surrender my keys. We aren't talking about that at all - we are talking about investigators that are investigating peoople ALREADY suspected of that crime. The all - or - nothing arguments are false.
That's a LITTLE over-reactive isn't it? Did I even IMPLY that those extremes are needed? The answer is no and emphatically no. I want a degree of compliance for investigators. No one anywhere will get 100% privacy. I don't and you don't. Let's come to grips with reality here. I viscously defend my privacy where possible with PGP and many tools. However we are talking about people already under investigation for crimes, and what right do they have to have another agency protect their right to commit those crimes?
I have kids and I am speaking as a dad... I'm as paranoid of government as the next XFiles fan however, there comes a point in society where people should be accountable to others in that society. In the case of child pornograhpy accountability should be pressed in as many directions as possible. Let's face it while as another /.er noted that paedophilia isn't a crime it IS for the most part only paedophiliacs that commit those crimes. Any institutions or services that actively would seek to protect the identities of people that advance an inconceivably horrible agenda should also be liable under law. Kudos to any company that helps keep predators at bay.
No body temperature? Requires high levels of maintenance? Knows only 5 steps? Crap! These guy's just created my wife!
We touch them... hold them, caress them. We play tragically old video games... we listen to mp3s. We coddle them in our open hands. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget a lot of things like what we say. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget about a lot of things like what we say. We use them to create whole new reasons for illicit software download sites ($5.00 and I'll send you the url). We use them as gravity test units and to support the "small lcd screen" industry by purchasing many repair screens. Shoot! If I had a degree in "folklore mythology" I would even use it to help me search for a job :-)
Clearly Hormel has a right to be concerned... Joe Q. and Kathy Q. Public might be strolling down the isle at the local grocery store.... suddenly a bright, blue colored tin of pasturized, processed, congealed, heart-attack-in-a-can, pulverized mostly meat by-product catches their eyes. In unison they lunge at the aforementioned delicacy hoping to devour it soon after the get home. Later in the same shopping session they come along a card board box that isn't blue, and doesn't contain mischeivous bits of animal in it - "email" "security" "penis length" printed in 72 point fonts all over it. It's lighter than the tin of meat something (we all know that cardboard weighs much less than gelatinized fat) but it still says something familiar so being the rocket scientists they are they assume it's a condiment of some sort. The kind of condiment that is dispensed by shiny, 5 inch diameter wafers. Even readers of PC Magazine should be able to figure out the difference between the gelatinous goo, and junk email! And, if we're honest with each other both spams seem to share a common sense of humor do they not? I mean what with foreskin' being the primary ingredient in both?
Hey.... some guys reading this would LOVE to have 16 strands of hair!
I do not think that the differences between open and closed source programming come down to skill, or tools that are used. It comes down to human psychology. Closed source companies hire programmers to write code, and the programers only code because their company is paying them to. Open source programmers code because they WANT to code, nobody is paying them and they aren't all interested in earning a living from their work in GNU/GPL software. In short it's because open source programmers care about their work in an intangible way that causes them to take a great deal of pride in the code they write. Great code leads to the sole reward of an open source programmer which is peer recognition. We all know that most programmers take pride in their code. I'm not saying anything that someone that codes because they are passionate can sometimes be more careful than someone that codes because they're paid to.
Copy the ENTIRE Pearl Jam, Jimmy Buffet, and Metallica music libraries to the bad guys machines. It should take the RIAA roughly 17 minutes to find the ip addy, sue the ISP for the names of the hackers, send cease and desist letters and finally hire a group of Sherpas to hunt the villians down like gangster hit men and beat them senseless with very hard wooden clubs.
Hmmmmmmmm...... Bandwidth..... Sweet life giving bandwidth .