"...and as new, improbable terrorist plots come to light, we will likely continue to be burdened with new, absurd rules."
...and as new, improbable terrorist plots come to light, they won't be on airlines...
Unless you have a disconnected, completely stupid terrorist, they will not use the same mechanism after it has been substantially controlled. They'll just move on to the next thing.
You will never stop stupid people because stupid can't be fixed. Once that one realizes that correlation != causation, you have a chance. Until then, you can only introduce the facts and hope for the best. It's tough to stanch meme propagation when the propagators are teary-eyed mothers with dead children. But it has to be done.
I remember when cellphones base-stations were being maligned as being totally cancerific (that's a mother-of-schoolchildren science term), the response to a "there's no connection, all published results say so" claim by the big companies was "therefore they're not publishing the stuff that proves our claims - it's a coverup" from the anti-sciencoids (that's a worked-for-a-basestation-manufacturer mild insult).
These mothers were unable to explain why the local Nokia R&D site had a massive base-station *right in the middle of it*, and how that would fit in with their consipiracy coverup theorem.
You can't argue with idiots whose minds are already made up using *any* language.
No kidding. Case in point: My grandfather stood (with many other soldiers) in front of microwave radio transmitter directed cones (dishes) to warm themselves up in subzero temperatures. They didn't really wonder how or why it worked at the time.
Guess how many died from cancer as a result? Out of a group of 30-something guys, 10% died from *A FORM* of cancer.
<snark>Omg that's so much higher a percentage than the number of people that have not undergone that bodily microwave heating</snark>
"Naturally occurring potassium is composed of three isotopes, one of which, 40K, is radioactive. Traces (0.012%) of this isotope is found in all potassium making it the most common radioactive element in the human body and in many biological materials, as well as in common building materials such as concrete."
(Wikipedia)
Gee, I hope the "parents" never find out. This is real radioactivity, not the wussy WiFi sort.
OTOH a banana panic would lower the price of one of my favorite fruits, so.... maybe somebody should warn them - they might be feeding their kids cancer-causing bananas right now in their ignorance!
Must.... find... something... to.... blame.... must... get.. money... and attention......
My apologies for not remembering the show, but there was the show that featured somebody that actually worked in India as something (working in a call center, methinks).
I saw that.:)
I'm not talking show - I'm talking real life scenario.
Many on this site feel entitled not to be filtered out but that is a fact of life. Hiring is highly risky.
What is illegal is not hiring someone based on sex, gender, religion, disability, race, being gay (1/3 of the states have this), or any other reason based on a civil rights violation. Dressing and looking unprofessional does not go under any of these critera.
What is and is not unprofessional is subjective. You're trying to rationalize your illogical discrimination; in reality, you're just a shallow person.
You must work in HR. You're supposed to move people around and fire them, not tell them what's on your mind. Asshat.
"Master's degree in information systems and 17 years of experience" does not tell us that she was more qualified than the Bangladeshi hired. I have interviewed too many people who look good on paper only.
True. The other end of the stick is "you have too much experience so you must be set in your ways and not malleable enough for our workforce."
In which case wouldn't that mean the natural order of things would cause this to either come around and bite them in the ass with low rate and low quality or work out just fine and show that the lower rate provided a perfectly acceptable level of quality?
Well, fuck. I guess that process wasn't taught in college.
All to common of a problem. H1 Visa applicants are way cheeper than Americans. I was replaced a few years ago because they "could not find anyone in america that could do my job". No one asked if I would like to apply.
I have never understood what the reasoning (legal or otherwise is) that keeps companies from saying, "Well, we can keep you on staff, but your pay will have to be lowered to $xxxx and your vacation time will need to be cut completely. Are you willing?"
They seem to always just fire people who are paid more than they are willing to disburse.
Even if the Bangladeshi was perfectly qualified, you can't just bring him in on an H1-B visa in preference to a citizen who also fits the requirements. To get an H1-B, you have to certify that no currently allowed workers exist that can do that job for you.
Now if this woman was ill qualified to do the job, and was suing, that would be different, because they do have the right to find people who can actually do the job. However, they can't just go find the cheapest qualified person available and import them, putting citizens at disadvantage. The law doesn't allow that, and for good reason.
Job requirements: Must speak Bangla. Must be able to count to 10.
If a company alleges that they must bring in foreign nationals because there are no qualified locals, and there are qualified locals, then they are going to get hit with lawsuits.
*IF* anyone bothers to file.
If you're looking for work and possibly even trying to maintain unemployment checks every couple of weeks, you probably don't have the money OR TIME to risk filing suit and losing. You have to have a lot of facts, hard data, etc before you can. If your unemployment has expired and you can't get any more, AND you still have someplace to live, AND communication mediums, you may be able to do all of this research to ensure you have a chance in Hell.
Under H-1B rules, they still must hire an American if they can find one that is qualified, over a non-American.
I work for a background screening company and that's exactly what becomes a gray area used to a company's advantage - what does "qualified" entail? It's like the Bill Clinton question of the definition of the word "is".
You can have hard facts on paper regarding qualifications, but the interview process can make "superior" or simple "qualifications" pop up that weren't there before.
It isn't what you know, it's who you know. If you don't know anyone, it's shiny medals on degrees that gives HR some sort of feeling that they're hiring someone that isn't a waste or a threat.
Why give her a 6 figure salary, when you can get someone at a weak 5 figures?
Because they're assisting in the decline of the economy and lowering in the value of the dollar. Basically seeding collapse. But hey, it won't happen in their lifetime, so seed away!
If Infosys does lose this case, instead of heavier restrictions on H1Bs we'll find lobbyists (on behalf of tech companies) pushing for loser restrictions.
I'm actually all for the home team advantage. If we are bleeding tech jobs in the US, then shut down the H1-Bs and save those jobs for Americans. If our startups are struggling because they can't find local talent, then increase the H1-Bs and let in the best talent the world has to offer. We benefit both ways. What we need to avoid is opening the flood gates on H1-Bs when American programmers are having trouble finding jobs, and also we need to avoid closing the flood gates on H1-Bs when American companies are struggling because they can't find the talent they need. Unfortunately, this is mostly a matter of politics, and you know how well that works...
I've been saying this same damn thing since the late 90s and get the same response every time: glazed eyes followed by "so anyway..."
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"If you think confiscating aluminum foil to prevent a solar powered bomb attack
I think the important news here is that terrorists are also concerned about the environment and are switching to green energy sources.
Better watch what you say... Before long, it will be illegal to till fields of corn.
Let me make a quick edit here...
"...and as new, improbable terrorist plots come to light, we will likely continue to be burdened with new, absurd rules."
...and as new, improbable terrorist plots come to light, they won't be on airlines...
Unless you have a disconnected, completely stupid terrorist, they will not use the same mechanism after it has been substantially controlled. They'll just move on to the next thing.
You're talking to a ham radio op ;)
Exactly! Glad you got what I was getting at.
Conspiracy junkies? Paranoia is rampant, and often foolish.... although once in a while it's rewarded.
I can't wait for my electricity prices to come down from nuclea....
Oh, wait.
Mercury in vaccines causes autism.
WiFi boils the brain and causes cancer.
Obama is the Anti-Christ.
You will never stop stupid people because stupid can't be fixed. Once that one realizes that correlation != causation, you have a chance. Until then, you can only introduce the facts and hope for the best. It's tough to stanch meme propagation when the propagators are teary-eyed mothers with dead children. But it has to be done.
Amen to that.
Link: The discovery of microwave heating
Guess what Percy Spencer died from? Natural causes.
Hurry, conspiracy junkies! Define Microwave radiation as a "natural cause"!
I remember when cellphones base-stations were being maligned as being totally cancerific (that's a mother-of-schoolchildren science term), the response to a "there's no connection, all published results say so" claim by the big companies was "therefore they're not publishing the stuff that proves our claims - it's a coverup" from the anti-sciencoids (that's a worked-for-a-basestation-manufacturer mild insult).
These mothers were unable to explain why the local Nokia R&D site had a massive base-station *right in the middle of it*, and how that would fit in with their consipiracy coverup theorem.
You can't argue with idiots whose minds are already made up using *any* language.
No kidding. Case in point:
My grandfather stood (with many other soldiers) in front of microwave radio transmitter directed cones (dishes) to warm themselves up in subzero temperatures. They didn't really wonder how or why it worked at the time.
Guess how many died from cancer as a result? Out of a group of 30-something guys, 10% died from *A FORM* of cancer.
<snark>Omg that's so much higher a percentage than the number of people that have not undergone that bodily microwave heating</snark>
What he really needs to to is to grow a pair and tell them not to be so fucking stupid (or words to that effect).
I think that's what politics was originally designed for. Then came bribes...
Anything with potassium in it is radioactive.
"Naturally occurring potassium is composed of three isotopes, one of which, 40K, is radioactive. Traces (0.012%) of this isotope is found in all potassium making it the most common radioactive element in the human body and in many biological materials, as well as in common building materials such as concrete."
(Wikipedia)
Gee, I hope the "parents" never find out. This is real radioactivity, not the wussy WiFi sort.
OTOH a banana panic would lower the price of one of my favorite fruits, so .... maybe somebody should warn them - they might be feeding their kids cancer-causing bananas right now in their ignorance!
Must.... find... something... to.... blame.... must... get.. money... and attention......
You think that's bad? I just ate a banana...
I have a lawyer reference for ya...
Honey pot.
My apologies for not remembering the show, but there was the show that featured somebody that actually worked in India as something (working in a call center, methinks).
I saw that. :)
I'm not talking show - I'm talking real life scenario.
Sugar coating ruins expressive thought. Rant on!
Many on this site feel entitled not to be filtered out but that is a fact of life. Hiring is highly risky.
What is illegal is not hiring someone based on sex, gender, religion, disability, race, being gay (1/3 of the states have this), or any other reason based on a civil rights violation. Dressing and looking unprofessional does not go under any of these critera.
What is and is not unprofessional is subjective. You're trying to rationalize your illogical discrimination; in reality, you're just a shallow person.
You must work in HR. You're supposed to move people around and fire them, not tell them what's on your mind. Asshat.
"Master's degree in information systems and 17 years of experience" does not tell us that she was more qualified than the Bangladeshi hired. I have interviewed too many people who look good on paper only.
True. The other end of the stick is "you have too much experience so you must be set in your ways and not malleable enough for our workforce."
Obviously, you get what you pay for
In which case wouldn't that mean the natural order of things would cause this to either come around and bite them in the ass with low rate and low quality or work out just fine and show that the lower rate provided a perfectly acceptable level of quality?
Well, fuck. I guess that process wasn't taught in college.
All to common of a problem. H1 Visa applicants are way cheeper than Americans. I was replaced a few years ago because they "could not find anyone in america that could do my job". No one asked if I would like to apply.
I have never understood what the reasoning (legal or otherwise is) that keeps companies from saying, "Well, we can keep you on staff, but your pay will have to be lowered to $xxxx and your vacation time will need to be cut completely. Are you willing?"
They seem to always just fire people who are paid more than they are willing to disburse.
Even if the Bangladeshi was perfectly qualified, you can't just bring him in on an H1-B visa in preference to a citizen who also fits the requirements. To get an H1-B, you have to certify that no currently allowed workers exist that can do that job for you.
Now if this woman was ill qualified to do the job, and was suing, that would be different, because they do have the right to find people who can actually do the job. However, they can't just go find the cheapest qualified person available and import them, putting citizens at disadvantage. The law doesn't allow that, and for good reason.
Job requirements: Must speak Bangla. Must be able to count to 10.
If a company alleges that they must bring in foreign nationals because there are no qualified locals, and there are qualified locals, then they are going to get hit with lawsuits.
*IF* anyone bothers to file.
If you're looking for work and possibly even trying to maintain unemployment checks every couple of weeks, you probably don't have the money OR TIME to risk filing suit and losing. You have to have a lot of facts, hard data, etc before you can. If your unemployment has expired and you can't get any more, AND you still have someplace to live, AND communication mediums, you may be able to do all of this research to ensure you have a chance in Hell.
You have to eat that shit sandwich without wiping your chin, right?
Thank God Thank God THANK GOD I started my own company.
Any openings?
Just joshin'.
Under H-1B rules, they still must hire an American if they can find one that is qualified, over a non-American.
I work for a background screening company and that's exactly what becomes a gray area used to a company's advantage - what does "qualified" entail? It's like the Bill Clinton question of the definition of the word "is".
You can have hard facts on paper regarding qualifications, but the interview process can make "superior" or simple "qualifications" pop up that weren't there before.
It isn't what you know, it's who you know. If you don't know anyone, it's shiny medals on degrees that gives HR some sort of feeling that they're hiring someone that isn't a waste or a threat.
Why give her a 6 figure salary, when you can get someone at a weak 5 figures?
Because they're assisting in the decline of the economy and lowering in the value of the dollar. Basically seeding collapse. But hey, it won't happen in their lifetime, so seed away!
If Infosys does lose this case, instead of heavier restrictions on H1Bs we'll find lobbyists (on behalf of tech companies) pushing for loser restrictions.
It's like you have a sixth sense. ;)
I'm actually all for the home team advantage. If we are bleeding tech jobs in the US, then shut down the H1-Bs and save those jobs for Americans. If our startups are struggling because they can't find local talent, then increase the H1-Bs and let in the best talent the world has to offer. We benefit both ways. What we need to avoid is opening the flood gates on H1-Bs when American programmers are having trouble finding jobs, and also we need to avoid closing the flood gates on H1-Bs when American companies are struggling because they can't find the talent they need. Unfortunately, this is mostly a matter of politics, and you know how well that works...
I've been saying this same damn thing since the late 90s and get the same response every time: glazed eyes followed by "so anyway..."
Good talent is hard to find right now, which is why I think this class action lawsuit is doomed.
What kills me is that I can never get a logical AND emotionally-agreeable answer to "define 'good talent.'"