Kind of a serious question - what sort of forces are on the hull of a spacecraft while in orbit - have searched the net but only find star-trekish drivel. (Not that that is uninteresting either)
Yeah and after all that overkill in design of the version 1, engineers shave off the excess plastic bits to save a few grand, and bam, version 2 out the door:-)
I'm certain there are lots of interested people at NASA, unfortunately the heads of the monolithic beast are more worried about broken fingernails than space. This is the roadblock. I'm sure there are more than a few at NASA thinking 'well hell, if it were me in charge we'd be doing...'
I use PHP across a whole bunch of websites, including version 5 - how is it anything like java? Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but all the 'old' scripts I have still work pretty good - without stopping any browser for 15 seconds (java) while it does its thing.
(I did read the article too)
The future isn't here yet. It might not be all gloomy.
I kind of mess around with 3d apps for work and play, also browse the net looking for ideas... Anyway, I have noticed a lot of these online galleries post things like car crashes of 'luxury sports cars' that are clearly fake - fake flames, fake shadows, fake... Totally obvious to me, though after showing examples to family and friends, they would swear they were 'real'...
I guess 'they' might consider hiring a few ex image analysts from the military or other government agencies.
I think what I'm trying to say is that while it's not 'impossible' to make a foolproof 'fake' - it is extremely difficult.
Of course all this only relates to digital photography...
Actually... I'm really not very sure what my point is or why I even posted this...
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Your statements are a little contradictory. You seem to be saying that you could predict the increase in computing power based on Moore's little transistor comment to a couple of his work mates, yet you (might be) are suprised that a hashing scheme dreamed up ten years ago is now obsolete?
I've got a handle on how the government stores its 'secret stuff' - it's called an 'air gap' This air gap also extends to 'solid concrete and steel' for all the 'really secret stuff'.
Any company with an ounce of integrity and common sense would do something similar - at a minimum a network lead with the transmit leads cut (or vice versa depending on perspective - I'm sure you know what I mean by that)
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The 'concept' is still valid whether it be encryption or hashing. Apologies for my mistaken terminology.
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In realistic terms, would you have predicted such rapid advancement in computer processing power over the last 9 years? Ok, so maybe the answer to that question is yes, but encryption schemes are not specifically meant to protect things forever, just the length of time that the information contained could be damaging in the 'wrong hands'
Any encryption scheme that lasts about 10 years has given a pretty good service I would think.
I'll start a little backward - the scope is most certainly not being enlarged - there is no further erosion to any liberties that you already have (or not as the case may be). The NSA has more civillian workers than military, as a rule these days the typical military invidiual is more required to be in the front line than sitting at an earth station somewhere pulling in chinese comms. (Contractors do that now)
All these agencies are made up of people who are equally opposed to being spied upon themselves, and as ironic as that is considering their function, they are not so blind as to follow the decree of the brainless manager who thinks it's ok to suck down domestic signals.
I have worked for a short time as a linguist (which I was miserable at), and then on into technical areas doing mostly satellite signals analysis, but also radar and a few other cool things. Was Military for a long while, then civil servant doing a few similar and very different things.
I'm pretty well qualified to know what a slippery slope is, I'm also aware of the duplicity of work that many agencies do - perhaps you don't like the NSA taking over the 'collection' role, but who would you prefer doing the 'exact' same work? FBI - gunna cost you for equipment and training (few hundred million) - CIA? CIA don't do this crap, they are just an intelligence end point - NSA is in he best position to do the 'collection'. That's all it is you do realise?
There is a whole ocean more detail to the 'real story' than what the article contains.
If you write to the various parties involved in this, with non-confrontational language, just seeking detail, you'll get more of it than you expect.
From experience I know that these agencies are open up to the point that they will not divulge the methods used to obtain the intelligence (if you could call it that) - but they will tell you practically everything else.
It may not be worth anything to you personally, but there is no conspiracy here. It's all out in the open, if you don't like it, speak up. (Not directing this at you personally, but to the unspeaking others who happily flame me through email)
And yes, I do get my arse kicked for these comments at times by the 'man'. Yes, I have smears across my record for it, so I'm likely not going much further, but I love what I do, and get paid enough to be happy...
I'm thinking it'll be unlikely that you'll get an answer here - as 15 other people have said - if you want easy, you pay for it, if you want cheap, you work for it.
I'm highly inclined to agree with you - In the Philippines you see stores (in large shopping complexes) side by side - one selling originals, the other pirated. The difference in price is often minimal - so small that most people I know are now just going for the originals.
The pirated CD's are too hit and miss, occasionally you get a good high quality rip from an original, but mostly they are from some guy with a k-mart brand video camera in a cinema.
Priated Php80.00 for DVD Original Php150.00 and upward. Average is probably around 4 hundred peso.
Not really. It's all got to fit into the same space that any bog standard DVD player is capable of pointing its laser at.
If it doesn't work, (and you legitimately purchased it) could you not return it as defective? (Probably not likely in America) Here in the Philippines they seem happy to 'exchange' it for anything else they have in stock. Even pirated DVD's/CD's can be exchanged if defective. Not many companies here will refund your money though.
You can sleep a little easier knowing that before they even manufacture the first disc with their anti-whatever scheme, a non-descript guy with glasses in his mom's basement somewhere will have crafted a patch that fully ignores it.
Just to reply to myself again - 'very few' individuals work on selinux, it doesn't appear to have much of a high priority beyond those departments that are actually responsible for it.
Secured commodity hardware in the field was the 'selling point' way back. Not sure anymore though.
You still see discussions about it and linux in the newsgroups, but the internal audience is 'very small'
There are not so many individuals that I am aware of with 'huge' amounts of computer security knowledge - SQ (DSD - probably new name by now) seems very leaky, anyone with lots of nouse is lured to the civil sector fairly quickly.
Do you mind if I laugh at that last comment for a while!!!! haha.
You are talking about ancient versions of sun os and solaris that still allow the use of 'rsh' 'finger' 'telnet' 'ftp' and other things like 'nis'
Internal security is very lax, audit trails are where it's at anyway - but this is why you get vetted for six months prior to landing a job.
The systems are insecure, the average individual has no concept about security which is the same as any other large organisation. It's all left to just a few individuals to deal with entry/exit points - anything above secret (codeword) may or may not live on networks that are mostly not connected to any other - but it depends on the audience.
The 'effort' will cost virtually nothing more than one of the front end operators tuning up a modem somewhere, or adding a couple extra patches to the spiderweb...
There's a logical reason for doing this - NSA has people already trained, systems already in place, will not cost the tax payer too much extra cash.
DSD is going in a similar direction - no matter how much the public like to jump up and down about it - it's the way of the future. Ok, so ASIO is meant to deal with domestic tapping, but has a very 'strong' history of 'borrowing' DSD personnel for the technical aspects - why 'not' get DSD to do it?
Simplification basically is the reason - no conspiracy theories, it just makes sense. If you are 'shocked' at this move, you are essentially blind to things that have been going on since the 'internet' started.
Thanks for the enlightening replies. I know some are not in a position to drop problem applications, though I'm not speaking from the perspective of distribution maintainer, but as a user.
If an application doesn't work as advertised, I could not personally justify spending money on it. That would also include oracle.
Agree with the fan boy comment too by the way. I was just being a little... trollish to the parent.
There are plenty of other distro's around that are equally as good, or better, or worse. (depending on who you speak to) - stability... It's the kernel. What does red hat do to make that same kernel so much more stable than kernel.org? If an application is screwing things over, logical step is to drop it.
Yes, I have all of your points checked, and this is slashdot where it quickly becomes worthless without disparate groups of opinion.
I'm thinking you are a red hat fan boy? Not that there's anything wrong with that! Just because someone bashes your bible, doesn't automatically make them wrong - or mommies basement level dumb shit.
Microsoft bundles ONE media player, and ONE web browser. (It's their OS so I have no problem with that myself)
A typical Linux distribution has how many? Usually around 4ish. All from 'different' groups that seem to hum along fairly well together. (Meaning they don't go out of their way to break each others application)
There is a reason why people don't complain too loudly about the software included with a linux distro - The History Of Microsoft - it never was a happy little rags to riches story.
Maybe I'm a little old fashioned here, but I like web browsers to be web browsers - I don't like firewalls, media players, and other crap to be psudo-web browsers that totally die because they require IE when I do not.
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I know this makes me look like I'm stupid. (And I probably am)
Thanks for the answer.
Wonder if it will work better with cell phone battery extender stickers attached to the back of the screen. (I kid)
I was more wondering about from the vacuum on the hull, than forces from friction or earths graviation.
Kind of a serious question - what sort of forces are on the hull of a spacecraft while in orbit - have searched the net but only find star-trekish drivel. (Not that that is uninteresting either)
Yeah and after all that overkill in design of the version 1, engineers shave off the excess plastic bits to save a few grand, and bam, version 2 out the door :-)
I'm certain there are lots of interested people at NASA, unfortunately the heads of the monolithic beast are more worried about broken fingernails than space. This is the roadblock. I'm sure there are more than a few at NASA thinking 'well hell, if it were me in charge we'd be doing...'
Thanks for all the replies, I did mean java applets - am now enlightened on the internal workings of PHP.
I use PHP across a whole bunch of websites, including version 5 - how is it anything like java? Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but all the 'old' scripts I have still work pretty good - without stopping any browser for 15 seconds (java) while it does its thing.
(I did read the article too)
The future isn't here yet. It might not be all gloomy.
Wouldn't the big organisation be better off donating to things like spybot? (of course you have to rely on the integrity of the maintainers)
I kind of think that Microsoft would allow affiliates to be added to an invisible white list within their final version.
Microsoft should be obligated to provide this to everyone free. (which really just means in my opinion they should)
I kind of mess around with 3d apps for work and play, also browse the net looking for ideas... Anyway, I have noticed a lot of these online galleries post things like car crashes of 'luxury sports cars' that are clearly fake - fake flames, fake shadows, fake... Totally obvious to me, though after showing examples to family and friends, they would swear they were 'real'...
I guess 'they' might consider hiring a few ex image analysts from the military or other government agencies.
I think what I'm trying to say is that while it's not 'impossible' to make a foolproof 'fake' - it is extremely difficult.
Of course all this only relates to digital photography...
Actually... I'm really not very sure what my point is or why I even posted this...
Your statements are a little contradictory. You seem to be saying that you could predict the increase in computing power based on Moore's little transistor comment to a couple of his work mates, yet you (might be) are suprised that a hashing scheme dreamed up ten years ago is now obsolete?
I've got a handle on how the government stores its 'secret stuff' - it's called an 'air gap' This air gap also extends to 'solid concrete and steel' for all the 'really secret stuff'.
Any company with an ounce of integrity and common sense would do something similar - at a minimum a network lead with the transmit leads cut (or vice versa depending on perspective - I'm sure you know what I mean by that)
The 'concept' is still valid whether it be encryption or hashing. Apologies for my mistaken terminology.
In realistic terms, would you have predicted such rapid advancement in computer processing power over the last 9 years? Ok, so maybe the answer to that question is yes, but encryption schemes are not specifically meant to protect things forever, just the length of time that the information contained could be damaging in the 'wrong hands'
Any encryption scheme that lasts about 10 years has given a pretty good service I would think.
I'll start a little backward - the scope is most certainly not being enlarged - there is no further erosion to any liberties that you already have (or not as the case may be). The NSA has more civillian workers than military, as a rule these days the typical military invidiual is more required to be in the front line than sitting at an earth station somewhere pulling in chinese comms. (Contractors do that now)
All these agencies are made up of people who are equally opposed to being spied upon themselves, and as ironic as that is considering their function, they are not so blind as to follow the decree of the brainless manager who thinks it's ok to suck down domestic signals.
I have worked for a short time as a linguist (which I was miserable at), and then on into technical areas doing mostly satellite signals analysis, but also radar and a few other cool things. Was Military for a long while, then civil servant doing a few similar and very different things.
I'm pretty well qualified to know what a slippery slope is, I'm also aware of the duplicity of work that many agencies do - perhaps you don't like the NSA taking over the 'collection' role, but who would you prefer doing the 'exact' same work? FBI - gunna cost you for equipment and training (few hundred million) - CIA? CIA don't do this crap, they are just an intelligence end point - NSA is in he best position to do the 'collection'. That's all it is you do realise?
There is a whole ocean more detail to the 'real story' than what the article contains.
If you write to the various parties involved in this, with non-confrontational language, just seeking detail, you'll get more of it than you expect.
From experience I know that these agencies are open up to the point that they will not divulge the methods used to obtain the intelligence (if you could call it that) - but they will tell you practically everything else.
It may not be worth anything to you personally, but there is no conspiracy here. It's all out in the open, if you don't like it, speak up. (Not directing this at you personally, but to the unspeaking others who happily flame me through email)
And yes, I do get my arse kicked for these comments at times by the 'man'. Yes, I have smears across my record for it, so I'm likely not going much further, but I love what I do, and get paid enough to be happy...
I'm thinking it'll be unlikely that you'll get an answer here - as 15 other people have said - if you want easy, you pay for it, if you want cheap, you work for it.
I'm highly inclined to agree with you - In the Philippines you see stores (in large shopping complexes) side by side - one selling originals, the other pirated. The difference in price is often minimal - so small that most people I know are now just going for the originals.
The pirated CD's are too hit and miss, occasionally you get a good high quality rip from an original, but mostly they are from some guy with a k-mart brand video camera in a cinema.
Priated Php80.00 for DVD
Original Php150.00 and upward. Average is probably around 4 hundred peso.
About $5 US.
Not really. It's all got to fit into the same space that any bog standard DVD player is capable of pointing its laser at.
If it doesn't work, (and you legitimately purchased it) could you not return it as defective? (Probably not likely in America) Here in the Philippines they seem happy to 'exchange' it for anything else they have in stock. Even pirated DVD's/CD's can be exchanged if defective. Not many companies here will refund your money though.
You can sleep a little easier knowing that before they even manufacture the first disc with their anti-whatever scheme, a non-descript guy with glasses in his mom's basement somewhere will have crafted a patch that fully ignores it.
Just to reply to myself again - 'very few' individuals work on selinux, it doesn't appear to have much of a high priority beyond those departments that are actually responsible for it.
Secured commodity hardware in the field was the 'selling point' way back. Not sure anymore though.
You still see discussions about it and linux in the newsgroups, but the internal audience is 'very small'
There are not so many individuals that I am aware of with 'huge' amounts of computer security knowledge - SQ (DSD - probably new name by now) seems very leaky, anyone with lots of nouse is lured to the civil sector fairly quickly.
Do you mind if I laugh at that last comment for a while!!!! haha.
You are talking about ancient versions of sun os and solaris that still allow the use of 'rsh' 'finger' 'telnet' 'ftp' and other things like 'nis'
Internal security is very lax, audit trails are where it's at anyway - but this is why you get vetted for six months prior to landing a job.
The systems are insecure, the average individual has no concept about security which is the same as any other large organisation. It's all left to just a few individuals to deal with entry/exit points - anything above secret (codeword) may or may not live on networks that are mostly not connected to any other - but it depends on the audience.
The 'effort' will cost virtually nothing more than one of the front end operators tuning up a modem somewhere, or adding a couple extra patches to the spiderweb...
There's a logical reason for doing this - NSA has people already trained, systems already in place, will not cost the tax payer too much extra cash.
DSD is going in a similar direction - no matter how much the public like to jump up and down about it - it's the way of the future. Ok, so ASIO is meant to deal with domestic tapping, but has a very 'strong' history of 'borrowing' DSD personnel for the technical aspects - why 'not' get DSD to do it?
Simplification basically is the reason - no conspiracy theories, it just makes sense. If you are 'shocked' at this move, you are essentially blind to things that have been going on since the 'internet' started.
Thanks for the enlightening replies. I know some are not in a position to drop problem applications, though I'm not speaking from the perspective of distribution maintainer, but as a user.
If an application doesn't work as advertised, I could not personally justify spending money on it. That would also include oracle.
Agree with the fan boy comment too by the way. I was just being a little... trollish to the parent.
There are plenty of other distro's around that are equally as good, or better, or worse. (depending on who you speak to) - stability... It's the kernel. What does red hat do to make that same kernel so much more stable than kernel.org? If an application is screwing things over, logical step is to drop it.
Yes, I have all of your points checked, and this is slashdot where it quickly becomes worthless without disparate groups of opinion.
I'm thinking you are a red hat fan boy? Not that there's anything wrong with that! Just because someone bashes your bible, doesn't automatically make them wrong - or mommies basement level dumb shit.
Microsoft bundles ONE media player, and ONE web browser. (It's their OS so I have no problem with that myself)
A typical Linux distribution has how many? Usually around 4ish. All from 'different' groups that seem to hum along fairly well together. (Meaning they don't go out of their way to break each others application)
There is a reason why people don't complain too loudly about the software included with a linux distro - The History Of Microsoft - it never was a happy little rags to riches story.
Maybe I'm a little old fashioned here, but I like web browsers to be web browsers - I don't like firewalls, media players, and other crap to be psudo-web browsers that totally die because they require IE when I do not.