so you are going to be a plumber when you grow up right?
because according to your 'imaginary property' sound bite, anything that can be encoded digitally has no value. I hope you were not seriously hoping to exchange work as a programmer or artist, or musician or writer for food, because all that stuff is just imaginary kid.
it isn't being taken lightly. this isnt some kid running limewire and forgetting to move files from the download directory. This was a guy seriously involved in pre-release cracking and distribution. The fact that he probably got his entire world view from digg and torrentfreak doesn't excuse the fact that he was breaking the law big time, and shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. This case will be used as a warning to other people in a similar position, to wake them up and smell the coffee.
how is what has happened here not right? Sorry... but the guy was found unanimously guilty of cracking games, dvds, music and did so against the law, knowingly and clearly. The guy is as guilty as fuck, got caught, and a jury found him guilty. what's your problem?
"For the first time ever, a criminal online music piracy case went to trial, and the jury rendered a swift and unanimous verdict,"
and yet both take work to create. so in your imaginary world where we reward creating one but not the other, who the fuck is stupid enough to make movies any more?
agreed. the only business plans this ruins are those of kids in moms basement running a torrent site.
Kids, its EASY to make money from your site when you just steal the content from everyone else (preferably, Hollywood and the music biz, they spend MILLIONS on that content!!). what's difficult, and what people with some business acumen or talent do, is to actually CREATE something other people want.
I guess its easier to steal other peoples work, than do any yourself. Its just sad when people whine like its nazi germany if they aren't allowed to do that:(
interesting. I get 90% of the money from my games. 10% goes to the credit card processor. Yet still, people like you would steal them anyway wouldn't you?
or do you PERSONALLY check the (hidden) contract terms of each artist you steal from to make your own value judgement of whether its worth paying first?
people hand over cash when they think they will get caught and prosecuted if they don't. That's why every store in your town has security shutters, tags on clothing, security guards and cameras. You have obviously NEVER run a business. I guess it's easier to swallow the slashdot bullshit about 'teh evil corporations are teh fascists' than actually open your wallet to reward people who entertain you.
if you put an article up on the web, unless you robots.txt it, I think tis pretty clear you are happy for people to link to and index it. You are ALL entirely free to index and link to any page whatsoever on ANY website that I own, that is not password protected or hidden. I'm fine with that.
But if you have a password protected, or encrypted system, where you sell access to those files, with an explicit agreement that the links and the files are not to be made public, then its pretty fucking clear that copying the files, uplaoding them to an anon hoster and spreading the links is not the same thing as linking to someone's homepage.
Its a pretty far and twisted piece of backwards rationalising to defend websites full of pages and pages of links to rapidshare or other sites, containing Hollywood movies, games,software and music, under the pretence that "its ok! because otherwise we couldn't use hyperlinks!!!11111oneone"
Don't pretend there is a grey area here, there just isn't.
"I have no embarrassment whatsoever in telling musicians and moviemakers that they've cultivated a disgusting and immoral entitlement mentality in expecting to get paid for the rest of their lives for each work they produce."
interesting...
So if I spend 3 years of my life writing music, that's tough shit, I don't actually 'own' it at all. I get 3 years wages. Fine...
if I spend that 3 years working and saving up to buy land. that land is MINE. it is mine next year. it is mine in TEN years. or FIFTY years. Even when I DIE, it is still my families. In FIVE HUNDRED years it will still be kept in the family. We OWN it, FOREVER.
So given the difference in what you and your friends have decided should be the way the world works, why the fuck would anyone, ever work on anything that was going to be worth NOTHING past the day they finish making it? Well done, you just found a way to wipe out the music, movie, book, play, software and games industries.
And all done so you can feel better about downloading torrented movies to save a few bucks...
I seriously doubt that. if you run a download site that is legit, has demos of all the major games and software, or sells songs for the record companies or hosts only freeware, you REALLY think that the RIAA will target YOU? Of course not. but it is a very predictable excuse to get all hot and bothered about the fact that the 'we was only linking guv' defence has rightfully fallen flat on its ass. It's a BIG difference between being 'tricked' into accidentally hosting pirated content, and running "WarezForFree.org" and I'm pretty sure judges and lawyers can tell the difference.
If your neighbour was running 'dial-heroin.com' and managed to keep doing it because technically he didn't actually have any actual heroin on his property, you will be just FINE with that, I'm sure.
Why is slashdot always so keen to protect the rights of people to help themselves to other peoples hard work?
because if I pay 20% corp tax and the business next to me lies and pays nothing, they can offer the same product at 20% cheaper for the same profit, immediately putting me out of business. If you give people an incentive to dodge their tax, they dodge their tax, which is clearly a bad thing.
I'm not american, but don't understand the outrage. surely this is an attempt to 'catch' those people who are making a fortune selling stuff on ebay etc, without ever declaring the income through their business or paying any corp tax. As a small businessman who pays every penny of tax as I should, I'm behind any method that helps catch those swine who can undercut me by not paying any tax. Since when is it cool to stick up for tax cheats? What am I missing?
I live in the UK. I wasn't aware that I lived in a Stalinist regime, but hey, you clearly know more about British politics than me. What bullshit.
And yes, European cars have MUCH better fuel economy than yours. I don't care if you think its essential to haul an extra half ton of metal around with you. You think that's safer? how about for the poor bastard pedestrian you hit, it make them safer too? get a fucking grip. It just means you waste more fuel and have to start wars in the middle east to fund your insane fuel demands. wahey!!!!
there is no splinter issues. layers of varnish and a professional finish on curved wood just does NOT splinter. Trust me, I know, I used to be a woodworker. How many people do you know who ever got a splinter from a guitar body? Some wood is damned light too. Heck, a wooden games controller would be flipping cool.
"the reason fuel prices are high is THE GREEN LOBBYS FAULT."
How? this is the same green lobby that tries every year to get the pathetic US standards of car fuel economy raised slightly towards the much higher European standard, while the US Oil and Motoring lobby squash it every time with big fat campaign contributions.
Yet somehow its the EVIL GREEN LOBBY to blame if fuel prices are hurting. what the fuck?
I guess you are upset that you can't destroy the few last remaining bits of wilderness in north America to dig for oil. Of course, just driving sensible sized cars would mean no need to do that, but why do anything that involves hurting the profits of Big Oil, Car and Steel companies eh?
what is this bullshit from the slashdot hive mind about 'eco-terrorists'. How the hell are greenpeace terrorists? or do you not believe in the freedom to protest in the USA any more? Terrorism is when you set off car bombs (or arguable, drop cluster bombs in residential areas). Publishing a report on the sue of toxic materials in home entertainment systems is not 'terrorism', in fact its responsible oversight of corporations that should be the governments job.
But hey, if you are so blinkered as to swallow the republican parties attempts to smear green groups as terrorists, maybe you would like to buy some nice lead paint and cheap asbestos for your home?
What's going wrong is people don't care about politics in the UK any more. Our two main parties became too similar (the LibDems are very different, esp concerning privacy and human rights), so people stopped listening to what they said. Since then, insane policies and huge corruption has gone bananas. If people in the UK stopped giving a fuck about who won Big brother or a part in a west end musical, and started giving a fuck who was Home Secretary, things would be different. Hopefully the current govt is about to fall apart entirely, maybe then there will be change?
5. Epic and Id are the primary drivers behind the PC game market. both these companies recently announced they were moving away from the pc because of piracy.
"Or are these people just Luddites who mourned the demise of the telegraph and have also never used a telephone?"
Its that sort of arrogant crap that makes people vow to never use a computer. Some people have no need for a particular tech. I NEVER send text messages, they seem a waste of time. I don't use RSS and have no idea what twitter is. I never use myspace and don't have a facebook page.
So fucking sue me.
This infantile attitude of "I use tech X and thus so should you" just shows the immaturity of the poster, not that they are in any sense 'better' than those not using that technology.
have you ever BEEN there? I have, about 2 years ago. And it's fantastic. You might thinkt hats long as someone took a few photos of it, we can bulldoze it and build luxury flats there. But i disagree. I normally HATE guided tours of places, but the tour of bletchley is fantastic, given by genuine experts, some of whom worked there, and who have a very deep understanding of technically how the cods were broken. the museum there is awesome, and the re-created machines that you can go and look at are truly astounding. This is literally the birthplace of computing. And you would happily let it disappear? Here is some pics I took of some of the rebuilt machines, with the guy who did the rebuilding pictured:
enlighten the rest of us mortals. how do I compete with free? If someone distributes MY games for free, how do I compete with that? Be aware it is MY product they are offering for free. Please list any experience you have in paying the rent by using this system of yours. Cheers,
you say it was extortion, but I have to ask, *did* she download copyrighted music without paying for it? If the answer is yes, I would not call that 'extortion' but 'getting legitimately caught breaking the law'. Or is the law not a 'proper' law if it stops slashdot readers getting free stuff at someone else's expense?
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so you are going to be a plumber when you grow up right?
because according to your 'imaginary property' sound bite, anything that can be encoded digitally has no value.
I hope you were not seriously hoping to exchange work as a programmer or artist, or musician or writer for food, because all that stuff is just imaginary kid.
See the problem now?
it isn't being taken lightly. this isnt some kid running limewire and forgetting to move files from the download directory. This was a guy seriously involved in pre-release cracking and distribution.
The fact that he probably got his entire world view from digg and torrentfreak doesn't excuse the fact that he was breaking the law big time, and shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
This case will be used as a warning to other people in a similar position, to wake them up and smell the coffee.
how is what has happened here not right? Sorry... but the guy was found unanimously guilty of cracking games, dvds, music and did so against the law, knowingly and clearly.
The guy is as guilty as fuck, got caught, and a jury found him guilty.
what's your problem?
"For the first time ever, a criminal online music piracy case went to trial, and the jury rendered a swift and unanimous verdict,"
and yet both take work to create. so in your imaginary world where we reward creating one but not the other, who the fuck is stupid enough to make movies any more?
agreed. the only business plans this ruins are those of kids in moms basement running a torrent site.
:(
Kids, its EASY to make money from your site when you just steal the content from everyone else (preferably, Hollywood and the music biz, they spend MILLIONS on that content!!).
what's difficult, and what people with some business acumen or talent do, is to actually CREATE something other people want.
I guess its easier to steal other peoples work, than do any yourself. Its just sad when people whine like its nazi germany if they aren't allowed to do that
interesting.
I get 90% of the money from my games. 10% goes to the credit card processor.
Yet still, people like you would steal them anyway wouldn't you?
or do you PERSONALLY check the (hidden) contract terms of each artist you steal from to make your own value judgement of whether its worth paying first?
bullshit
people hand over cash when they think they will get caught and prosecuted if they don't. That's why every store in your town has security shutters, tags on clothing, security guards and cameras.
You have obviously NEVER run a business. I guess it's easier to swallow the slashdot bullshit about 'teh evil corporations are teh fascists' than actually open your wallet to reward people who entertain you.
if you put an article up on the web, unless you robots.txt it, I think tis pretty clear you are happy for people to link to and index it.
You are ALL entirely free to index and link to any page whatsoever on ANY website that I own, that is not password protected or hidden.
I'm fine with that.
But if you have a password protected, or encrypted system, where you sell access to those files, with an explicit agreement that the links and the files are not to be made public, then its pretty fucking clear that copying the files, uplaoding them to an anon hoster and spreading the links is not the same thing as linking to someone's homepage.
Its a pretty far and twisted piece of backwards rationalising to defend websites full of pages and pages of links to rapidshare or other sites, containing Hollywood movies, games,software and music, under the pretence that "its ok! because otherwise we couldn't use hyperlinks!!!11111oneone"
Don't pretend there is a grey area here, there just isn't.
"I have no embarrassment whatsoever in telling musicians and moviemakers that they've cultivated a disgusting and immoral entitlement mentality in expecting to get paid for the rest of their lives for each work they produce."
interesting...
So if I spend 3 years of my life writing music, that's tough shit, I don't actually 'own' it at all. I get 3 years wages.
Fine...
if I spend that 3 years working and saving up to buy land. that land is MINE. it is mine next year. it is mine in TEN years. or FIFTY years. Even when I DIE, it is still my families. In FIVE HUNDRED years it will still be kept in the family. We OWN it, FOREVER.
So given the difference in what you and your friends have decided should be the way the world works, why the fuck would anyone, ever work on anything that was going to be worth NOTHING past the day they finish making it?
Well done, you just found a way to wipe out the music, movie, book, play, software and games industries.
And all done so you can feel better about downloading torrented movies to save a few bucks...
I seriously doubt that. if you run a download site that is legit, has demos of all the major games and software, or sells songs for the record companies or hosts only freeware, you REALLY think that the RIAA will target YOU?
Of course not. but it is a very predictable excuse to get all hot and bothered about the fact that the 'we was only linking guv' defence has rightfully fallen flat on its ass.
It's a BIG difference between being 'tricked' into accidentally hosting pirated content, and running "WarezForFree.org" and I'm pretty sure judges and lawyers can tell the difference.
If your neighbour was running 'dial-heroin.com' and managed to keep doing it because technically he didn't actually have any actual heroin on his property, you will be just FINE with that, I'm sure.
Why is slashdot always so keen to protect the rights of people to help themselves to other peoples hard work?
because if I pay 20% corp tax and the business next to me lies and pays nothing, they can offer the same product at 20% cheaper for the same profit, immediately putting me out of business.
If you give people an incentive to dodge their tax, they dodge their tax, which is clearly a bad thing.
I'm not american, but don't understand the outrage. surely this is an attempt to 'catch' those people who are making a fortune selling stuff on ebay etc, without ever declaring the income through their business or paying any corp tax.
As a small businessman who pays every penny of tax as I should, I'm behind any method that helps catch those swine who can undercut me by not paying any tax.
Since when is it cool to stick up for tax cheats?
What am I missing?
I live in the UK. I wasn't aware that I lived in a Stalinist regime, but hey, you clearly know more about British politics than me.
What bullshit.
And yes, European cars have MUCH better fuel economy than yours. I don't care if you think its essential to haul an extra half ton of metal around with you. You think that's safer? how about for the poor bastard pedestrian you hit, it make them safer too?
get a fucking grip.
It just means you waste more fuel and have to start wars in the middle east to fund your insane fuel demands.
wahey!!!!
there is no splinter issues. layers of varnish and a professional finish on curved wood just does NOT splinter. Trust me, I know, I used to be a woodworker. How many people do you know who ever got a splinter from a guitar body?
Some wood is damned light too. Heck, a wooden games controller would be flipping cool.
please explain this insane rambling.
"the reason fuel prices are high is THE GREEN LOBBYS FAULT."
How? this is the same green lobby that tries every year to get the pathetic US standards of car fuel economy raised slightly towards the much higher European standard, while the US Oil and Motoring lobby squash it every time with big fat campaign contributions.
Yet somehow its the EVIL GREEN LOBBY to blame if fuel prices are hurting.
what the fuck?
I guess you are upset that you can't destroy the few last remaining bits of wilderness in north America to dig for oil. Of course, just driving sensible sized cars would mean no need to do that, but why do anything that involves hurting the profits of Big Oil, Car and Steel companies eh?
what is this bullshit from the slashdot hive mind about 'eco-terrorists'. How the hell are greenpeace terrorists? or do you not believe in the freedom to protest in the USA any more?
Terrorism is when you set off car bombs (or arguable, drop cluster bombs in residential areas). Publishing a report on the sue of toxic materials in home entertainment systems is not 'terrorism', in fact its responsible oversight of corporations that should be the governments job.
But hey, if you are so blinkered as to swallow the republican parties attempts to smear green groups as terrorists, maybe you would like to buy some nice lead paint and cheap asbestos for your home?
What's going wrong is people don't care about politics in the UK any more. Our two main parties became too similar (the LibDems are very different, esp concerning privacy and human rights), so people stopped listening to what they said. Since then, insane policies and huge corruption has gone bananas.
If people in the UK stopped giving a fuck about who won Big brother or a part in a west end musical, and started giving a fuck who was Home Secretary, things would be different.
Hopefully the current govt is about to fall apart entirely, maybe then there will be change?
"Or are these people just Luddites who mourned the demise of the telegraph and have also never used a telephone?"
Its that sort of arrogant crap that makes people vow to never use a computer. Some people have no need for a particular tech. I NEVER send text messages, they seem a waste of time. I don't use RSS and have no idea what twitter is. I never use myspace and don't have a facebook page.
So fucking sue me.
This infantile attitude of "I use tech X and thus so should you" just shows the immaturity of the poster, not that they are in any sense 'better' than those not using that technology.
have you ever BEEN there?
I have, about 2 years ago. And it's fantastic. You might thinkt hats long as someone took a few photos of it, we can bulldoze it and build luxury flats there. But i disagree.
I normally HATE guided tours of places, but the tour of bletchley is fantastic, given by genuine experts, some of whom worked there, and who have a very deep understanding of technically how the cods were broken. the museum there is awesome, and the re-created machines that you can go and look at are truly astounding. This is literally the birthplace of computing. And you would happily let it disappear?
Here is some pics I took of some of the rebuilt machines, with the guy who did the rebuilding pictured:
http://www.positech.co.uk/blog/enigma1.jpg
http://www.positech.co.uk/blog/enigma2.jpg
http://www.positech.co.uk/blog/enigma3.jpg
BP is well worth saving. Much more so than just ANOTHER stately home, of which we preserve hundreds.
enlighten the rest of us mortals. how do I compete with free? If someone distributes MY games for free, how do I compete with that?
Be aware it is MY product they are offering for free.
Please list any experience you have in paying the rent by using this system of yours.
Cheers,
you say it was extortion, but I have to ask, *did* she download copyrighted music without paying for it? If the answer is yes, I would not call that 'extortion' but 'getting legitimately caught breaking the law'.
Or is the law not a 'proper' law if it stops slashdot readers getting free stuff at someone else's expense?
I had heard from some users that it does run fine under wine, but I'll take a look at that link,
Cheers!
sounds like something I should model in the next version of this:
http://www.democracygame.com/
It already represents ministers as nodes in a neural network.
Can't say it surprises me in the least tbh.
wow modded as flamebait, probably by some coward unable to actually answer my point. typical slashdot kid.