or have a sense of right and wrong, something that seems to have eluded you. For a long time I couldn't afford the car I wanted, so you know what I did? I got the flipping bus, and saved up to buy it. We can all guess what you would have done.
2For instance, what if you cannot buy the songs in question in the format you want?"
Tough. If I'm a plumber, and don't work weekends, you don't have the right to force me to work weekends because that's what you would prefer. As a plumber I sell my wages. if a content producer sells licenses to his work, you are no more entitled to dictate what licenses he sells than you are to tell the plumber when he should work. It's their content, not yours.
wtf? this is exactly how sports stars get paid. They get paid a fortune by their employers, who recoup the money from TV companies, who.... (drum roll) CHARGE PEOPLE TO WATCH THE GAME.
And yes, if you distribute copyrighted footage filmed by one of those companies you ARE breaking the law.
And copyright doesn't RESTRICT PEOPLES FREEDOM. In a country that has the patriot act, guantanomo bay and the TSA, you really think not being able to legally steal Spiderman 3 is the biggest threat to your freedom? get real.
you clearly do not understand the concept of fixed costs. Has this been eradicated from the basic economics curriculum since I studied?
I guess you think that the water company should only charge you for the cost of the water, rather than paying back the infrastructure costs of laying the pipe and building the treatment plants? because it costs them almost nothing to just turn a tap right?
I'm sick of reading this crap pasted everywhere that makes people feel good about taking stuff for free. In trendy web speak you FAIL at understanding basic economics.
Companies that care about their customers won't fault you for losing something. If someone buys my game 10 years ago, loses their key, forgets their email address and forgets when they bought it, and formats their PC they can STILL get a fresh copy of the game just by emailing me and proving they are the guy/gal in my database by knowing stuff like their full name and address. If I can do that as a one man company, why can't all games companies?
Cling to that belief if you like, but even amongst IT staff, programmers and geeks, a hell of a lot of them prefer to use windows or Mac at home, even though they cost money. why? Ease of use. It's as simple as that. Choice of O/S should be a rational one, not based on some anti-corporate dogma.
Whose point are you trying to make here? If open source is so superior, why hasn't it killed off windows? After all, open source is often free. SURELY it can't be poor usability?
I bet you think it's all the fault of 'teh evil corporations' and nothing to do with windows and Mac OS being easy to use compared with linux...
What amazes me is that this is spun as "TEH EVIL CORPORATIONS SPYING TO PROTECT TEH EVIL PROFITS!!!111"
Whereas a security guard working in your local bricks and mortar store to prevent people walking out with a CD is just fine and dandy. It seems that people who download copyrighted material KNOW that its wrong to take music for free that you should be paying for, but somehow they want to do a mental backflip to justify doing it if they can do it online instead. I can assure you that store security don't politely warn you the first two times they catch you. Either you believe that people who create original works are entitled to profit from them or you do not. If not, you need to go live on a commune, or one of the (very few) communist societies out there.
And to anyone wittering on about it not being the same thing, it doesn't matter a fuck if something physical is taken or not. You are breaking the law to get a product for free that you would otherwise have had to legally pay the content creator for. Spare me the mental gymnastics designed to kid yourself its not theft.
I'm a geek, but I don't see the point of going to the moon, in fact i think its exactly the kind of showy, dramatic, expensive and ultimately useless project that a PHB suggests, and which geeks should roll their eyes at. We got velcro and non stick frying pans. yippee, but given the potential costs of going, and the problems right here of climate change and global poverty, I think there are better uses of the cash. if that means I'm not a geek, then big fucking deal.
Flying is noisy, uncomfortable, irritating, you get overcharged, patronised, lied to and sometimes they lose your luggage. you get delayed, people try to sell you lottery tickets and alcohol (on a plane ffs). The food is inedible. the seating is awkward and has no legroom. Plus it fucks up the environment.
they should thank the kids, if they had NOT gone through with the hack, but informed those in authority how it had become possible. As it was, they inconvenienced tens of thousands of people. And they didn't put up a sign that said "We have briefly changed this page to point out a serious flaw in the security of this system. Sorry for the inconvenience. it said:
"KRYOGENICS Defiant and EBK RoXed Comcast sHouTz to VIRUS Warlock elul21 coll1er seven"
how about you let law enforcement work out if the allegations of a blog post are true first? Or you want to abandon the whole concept of justice and just punish whoever gets pointed at first?
I'd like to see this properly investigated, and then gone through a proper judicial system, because right now, a torrent site has got attacked, and complained on their blog that it is media defender doing it. Everyone on slashdot has declared themselves judge and jury and found media defender guilty already. Sorry, but I don't think you should just trust someones blog post as cast iron proof of criminal action. When the RIAA trace someones IP address to downloading hundreds of movies, EVERYONE here jumps up and down and cries if they don't have ABSOLUTE proof, and the full judicial process is employed to the letter. (fair enough)
Funny how everyone becomes a total hypocrite on that topic if they get to declare the RIAA guilty before any real investigation has taken place...
thats great. but that doesn't really translate to the movie and TV industry does it? Because a business model works for what YOU do, it doesn't mean it work for everyone on earth.
so under your new system I'd paid to make games, but not for selling them yes?
Fine. I'll be making an epic RPG next, where do I sign up for my government paid game dev salary? BTW the game may take 200 years to make and never get finished, and may be shit, but thats fine right? because you want to sever the connection between making a popular product and earning royalties, so why the fuck do I care anymore if the game is any good?
Explain to me how www.warezforfree.com or similar sites are a grey area? you know the ones, listing hundreds or thousands of pre-categorised hollywood movies and big budget commercial video games. show me how that's a grey area.
and *I* am the fanatic? you people will rationalise any kind of criminal behaviour, even support thepiratebay and its right wing criminal financial backers, if you think it justifies torrenting 'heroes'.
wow, someone on slashdot using the word 'strawman' what fucking innovation.
get a grip kid, before copyright, did you have multimillion pound movies employing 500 people? And let me guess, you will whine about "all hollywood movies being crap anyway" whilst still downloading all of them and watching them, like 99% of slashdotters.
And BTW, you DO realise that music and movie companies pay corporation tax on every cent earned by their 'imaginary' property right? or is that tax just imaginary too? in which case, owners of IP should be tax exempt right?
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fine. write your own game, and make your own movie.
have you lived in an economy that has frequent revolutions? It doesn't look to me to be a preferable state of affairs.
or have a sense of right and wrong, something that seems to have eluded you.
For a long time I couldn't afford the car I wanted, so you know what I did? I got the flipping bus, and saved up to buy it. We can all guess what you would have done.
2For instance, what if you cannot buy the songs in question in the format you want?"
Tough.
If I'm a plumber, and don't work weekends, you don't have the right to force me to work weekends because that's what you would prefer. As a plumber I sell my wages. if a content producer sells licenses to his work, you are no more entitled to dictate what licenses he sells than you are to tell the plumber when he should work. It's their content, not yours.
what is it illegal to say? Please enlighten me.
so you want far fewer, bigger budget games. Maybe just one a year eh?
Nice plan.
Goodbye innovation, hello huge corporate clones.
or people could just be honest and buy the games they play...
wtf?
this is exactly how sports stars get paid. They get paid a fortune by their employers, who recoup the money from TV companies, who.... (drum roll)
CHARGE PEOPLE TO WATCH THE GAME.
And yes, if you distribute copyrighted footage filmed by one of those companies you ARE breaking the law.
And copyright doesn't RESTRICT PEOPLES FREEDOM. In a country that has the patriot act, guantanomo bay and the TSA, you really think not being able to legally steal Spiderman 3 is the biggest threat to your freedom? get real.
you clearly do not understand the concept of fixed costs. Has this been eradicated from the basic economics curriculum since I studied?
I guess you think that the water company should only charge you for the cost of the water, rather than paying back the infrastructure costs of laying the pipe and building the treatment plants? because it costs them almost nothing to just turn a tap right?
I'm sick of reading this crap pasted everywhere that makes people feel good about taking stuff for free. In trendy web speak you FAIL at understanding basic economics.
"If I lose the key, that's my fault. "
Companies that care about their customers won't fault you for losing something. If someone buys my game 10 years ago, loses their key, forgets their email address and forgets when they bought it, and formats their PC they can STILL get a fresh copy of the game just by emailing me and proving they are the guy/gal in my database by knowing stuff like their full name and address.
If I can do that as a one man company, why can't all games companies?
Cling to that belief if you like, but even amongst IT staff, programmers and geeks, a hell of a lot of them prefer to use windows or Mac at home, even though they cost money. why?
Ease of use. It's as simple as that.
Choice of O/S should be a rational one, not based on some anti-corporate dogma.
Whose point are you trying to make here? If open source is so superior, why hasn't it killed off windows? After all, open source is often free. SURELY it can't be poor usability?
I bet you think it's all the fault of 'teh evil corporations' and nothing to do with windows and Mac OS being easy to use compared with linux...
What amazes me is that this is spun as "TEH EVIL CORPORATIONS SPYING TO PROTECT TEH EVIL PROFITS!!!111"
Whereas a security guard working in your local bricks and mortar store to prevent people walking out with a CD is just fine and dandy.
It seems that people who download copyrighted material KNOW that its wrong to take music for free that you should be paying for, but somehow they want to do a mental backflip to justify doing it if they can do it online instead.
I can assure you that store security don't politely warn you the first two times they catch you.
Either you believe that people who create original works are entitled to profit from them or you do not. If not, you need to go live on a commune, or one of the (very few) communist societies out there.
And to anyone wittering on about it not being the same thing, it doesn't matter a fuck if something physical is taken or not. You are breaking the law to get a product for free that you would otherwise have had to legally pay the content creator for. Spare me the mental gymnastics designed to kid yourself its not theft.
so you think we should start the project immediately, before we know what to do?
I've had project managers like you...
wow. arrogance = ARROGANCE_MAX
I'm a geek, but I don't see the point of going to the moon, in fact i think its exactly the kind of showy, dramatic, expensive and ultimately useless project that a PHB suggests, and which geeks should roll their eyes at.
We got velcro and non stick frying pans. yippee, but given the potential costs of going, and the problems right here of climate change and global poverty, I think there are better uses of the cash. if that means I'm not a geek, then big fucking deal.
easier solution:
Don't Fly.
Flying is noisy, uncomfortable, irritating, you get overcharged, patronised, lied to and sometimes they lose your luggage. you get delayed, people try to sell you lottery tickets and alcohol (on a plane ffs). The food is inedible. the seating is awkward and has no legroom.
Plus it fucks up the environment.
Sleeper Trains FTW.
they should thank the kids, if they had NOT gone through with the hack, but informed those in authority how it had become possible.
As it was, they inconvenienced tens of thousands of people. And they didn't put up a sign that said
"We have briefly changed this page to point out a serious flaw in the security of this system. Sorry for the inconvenience.
it said:
"KRYOGENICS Defiant and EBK RoXed Comcast
sHouTz to VIRUS Warlock elul21 coll1er seven"
yes, very helpful.
wow, only on slashdot does the suggestion of innocent till proven guilty get modded as troll.
How pathetic.
how about you let law enforcement work out if the allegations of a blog post are true first?
Or you want to abandon the whole concept of justice and just punish whoever gets pointed at first?
I'd like to see this properly investigated, and then gone through a proper judicial system, because right now, a torrent site has got attacked, and complained on their blog that it is media defender doing it.
Everyone on slashdot has declared themselves judge and jury and found media defender guilty already.
Sorry, but I don't think you should just trust someones blog post as cast iron proof of criminal action.
When the RIAA trace someones IP address to downloading hundreds of movies, EVERYONE here jumps up and down and cries if they don't have ABSOLUTE proof, and the full judicial process is employed to the letter. (fair enough)
Funny how everyone becomes a total hypocrite on that topic if they get to declare the RIAA guilty before any real investigation has taken place...
thats great.
but that doesn't really translate to the movie and TV industry does it?
Because a business model works for what YOU do, it doesn't mean it work for everyone on earth.
so.... you do your job for free?
seriously?
how do you pay the rent then?
and yet the incentive to create that product is zero.
So in a normal economic market, the product never gets created.
you know many actors, directors, lighting guys, scriptwriters, continuity peoples, make-up artists and costume designers who work for free?
*sigh*
so under your new system I'd paid to make games, but not for selling them yes?
Fine. I'll be making an epic RPG next, where do I sign up for my government paid game dev salary? BTW the game may take 200 years to make and never get finished, and may be shit, but thats fine right? because you want to sever the connection between making a popular product and earning royalties, so why the fuck do I care anymore if the game is any good?
NOW do you see the problem?
Explain to me how www.warezforfree.com or similar sites are a grey area?
you know the ones, listing hundreds or thousands of pre-categorised hollywood movies and big budget commercial video games.
show me how that's a grey area.
and *I* am the fanatic? you people will rationalise any kind of criminal behaviour, even support thepiratebay and its right wing criminal financial backers, if you think it justifies torrenting 'heroes'.
wow, someone on slashdot using the word 'strawman' what fucking innovation.
get a grip kid, before copyright, did you have multimillion pound movies employing 500 people?
And let me guess, you will whine about "all hollywood movies being crap anyway" whilst still downloading all of them and watching them, like 99% of slashdotters.
And BTW, you DO realise that music and movie companies pay corporation tax on every cent earned by their 'imaginary' property right? or is that tax just imaginary too? in which case, owners of IP should be tax exempt right?