Maybe so, but you get a lot more culture when people can do it full-time, as a profession than if everyone has to work day-job as plumbers and builders, and try to knock up 'the matrix' at weekends and evenings.
I guess in the anti-copyright nirvana it wouldn't matter, because we could all just copy old movies and claim they were new ones anyway...
that "nutty rant" is from wikipedia. Sorry to burst your bubble but despite the slashdot groupthink pretending its a cuddly website, TPB *is* backed financially by a racist right-wing millionaire.
ah cool. as usual, slashdot mods me flamebait rather than try and explain why I'm wrong by replying. Some people REALLY don't like carl lundstrom's name being mentioned. Does the 'keep sweden white' politician somewhat embarrass the left-wing supporters of 'free content' maybe?
"According to the Swedish leftist magazine Expo, LundstrÃm is a financier of various right wing organizations and was a member of the nationalist organization Bevara Sverige Svenskt ("Keep Sweden Swedish"). Some years later he was noted as a financier of the Swedish Progress Party. He left the Progress Party in 1992 for the newly founded New Democracy.
However, when LundstrÃm's membership in New Democracy was brought to attention by the media the party's leadership demanded his expulsion. In March 1992, LundstrÃm left the party and, according to himself, politics. However, according to Expo, LundstrÃm has later donated money to the National Democrats and other "far right parties" and also ordered "national socialist and revisionist material from white power companies"."
google and TPB and entirely hugely clearly and demonstrably different. Google obey the rights and wishes of copyright-holders. You can have google search results and blog pages and other links removed easily just by sending a DMCA complaint to google. TPB openly mock people who even request that files be removed. To claim the two are the same is either ill-informed, or an attempt to blind people to the way TPB and google operate in order to justify TPB's actions.
What? How is it capitalism if you don't have to compete with my product, but just give my product away and claim it is yours? This is what abolishing IP does. In fact it is the complete antithesis of creativity and culture, because it enables everyone to re-use other peoples creative works rather than make their own. If I could get people to buy the Sims from me, without having to bother making it, that sounds like an easy life. As it goes, that's illegal, so when fooling around with game ideas I came up with a life-sim game that is completely different, which I then sell for money as a competing product.
Is the world a better place because there are now 2 competing products? or would we be better off if everyone just copies the first one? I'm glad CCP had to make eve on-line rather than just making Elite Online. I'm glad that I have the choice between world of warcraft and lord of the rings on-line. Killing off intellectual property is the best way imaginable to totally kill off competition. Nobody can compete with free and their is zero incentive to innovate if you can just carbon-copy the market-leader without penalty.
If you really hated the RIAA you would just not listen to music made by its members. If TPB really hated the RIAA it could do massive damage to them right this very second. They would just remove all RIAA music from their site today, and make the top 100 on the most popular music website on earth be a list of non-riaa music. Instant marketing dynamite for being a non-riaa band.
Something tells me they don't give a fuck though. They will do whatever gets them ad-impressions.
If piracy was all about sticking it to the RIAA, why do you all continue to perpetuate their music as the most popular and sought-after?
Oh my fucking god. You mean if I want to make a cartoon now, i might have to have an original idea?
Fuck. I can see that it really would enrich our culture if we could just regurgitate Disney cartoons rather than coming up with South Park, The Simpsons and Ren and Stimpy. They would all have been much better with a fucking cartoon mouse in them. Evil copyright bastards.
Hi there. I'm an indie developer who makes games from his spare bedroom. I earn less than most software developers do, and have fuck all pension plan or work benefits, The piratebay make it possible for people to rip me off and take a game that takes me 10 hours a day a year to make... for free.
The piratebay is funded by a right wing millionaire businessman closely connected to fascist and racist organisations in Sweden. Google 'carl lundstrom' for details. TPB has many adverts and is one of the most popular sites on the whole web. It also has minimal bandwidth costs because it makes a big fuss out of not hosting anything. In short, it makes a mega-fuckton of ad money from other peoples work.
Explain to me again how thepiratebay earning money from ads whilst giving away my work for free, and lining the pockets of its millionaire founder is anything like a fucking robin hood?
They are thieves with an awesome PR dept. Its sad to see so many otherwise reasonable and nice people fall for the blatant bullshit about them being heroes. This is PR spin. How much of that money they collected in donations to buy an island did they stick in their bank accounts? Where is the prominent spot on TPB to promote non-riaa bands and indie film producers? where is the 'free speech and pro-democracy' section on their homepage?
Face facts, TPB is about getting ad impressions for distributing the same mass-market shit everyone pretends to hate.
which musicians? Because I'm SURE you checked the contract details and bank statements of EACH of the musicians involved in music pirated by her to ascertain independently and truthfully that the deal they have KNOWINGLY signed with a record company did not meet your apparent 'minimum standards' where you decide to overrule the contract, and their free decision to make business deals and to take their music without paying a single penny.
You do that right?
Or do you just cling to some "All record companies are evil" bullshit when it allows you to take other peoples work for free and still sleep at night?
let me guess, you work full time as a musician right?
no, i didnt think so. People who take other peoples hard wrk for free, are often keen to lecture the people they take from that "its in your best interests". Even muggers and burglars don't try to lecture their victims after the event.
I see. so we shouldn't make a distinction between people who paint watercolors, and people who spray graffiti tags over peoples houses? Its all just painting right?
Of course hackers who did this should not be glorified. They are cyber-vandals, no different to thugs who smash windows or set fire to a warehouse.
Wow. You really think anyone who doesn't spit and curse at the RIAA whilst declaring Jammie Thomas to be innocent is a troll? Is that how you fight court battles? "I'm not responding to the prosecutor because I suspect they are a troll".
or maybe she is guilty as hell, her lawyer knows it, and didn't want to fight a battle he would inevitably lose badly?
But no, as she is being prosecuted by the record companies, she MUST be innocent right?
Amazing though it sounds, a lot of people DO pirate music, some of them get caught, and a very few of them are stupid enough to try and feign innocence in that situation.
actually 90% of the adverts in gaming magazines are exactly like you describe, with buxom elves in lingerie and gun toting chiselled dorks grimacing like they need a crap.
As for the dell thing, when I got a laptop for my wife, her only contribution to picking the specification was the colour, which she took a very active interest in, so I guess Dell got something right with having so many options.
That hardly means we should glorify the son of a bitch who did this. Hacking into computer systems to say "I was here" is petty, but harmless. Hacking in and destroying someone's data is just psychotic, and of course should be punishable.
wow what an antisocial little prick you are. Fucking go get a job kiddie, then you might start to appreciate other peoples work. Till then, do what mommy asks and tidy your room ok?
I treat people who act like children as children. That includes you.
Its especially depressing, as a 'content creator' to see that pirates claim to understand the idea of 'contributing' and 'thanking people for their work' but don't give a fuck about the contributions or work of the people who actually make the stuff, as opposed to just clicking a button to seed a fucking torrent.
If it was not enforced, I'm sure a huige chunk of people would rbeak the law of shoplifting. Why the hell should I care about wal-marts profits? they have tons of hamburgers, I'm only taking a few. Everyone is doing it. We all want cheap burgers. The burgers are more than I was prepared to pay etc waffle bullshit blah blah...
The problem is on day two of changing the shoplifting law, every beef farmer in the country changes career. No more burgers for you...
free software is not responsive to the marklet like commercial software is. if application A is commerical and has 2 bugs, one of which is a bastard to track down and fix, but is resulting in lost sales, and one is purely cosmetic and fun to fix, the bastard bug gets fixed first. if that application is free, the likliehood is the easy/fun bug gets fixed first, if at all, and only if the app developer hasnt got any cool new features he wants put in.
Comemrcial software has the benefits of accurate signals being sent to it to guide priorities and development, in the form of sales figures and real hard currency. I don't even own a mac, and prefer the PC, but there are Mac versions of my games. Why? because it makes commercial sense to do so, and it makes more money than it costs. If I lived in a 'free' utopia with no money, you wouldnt have mac versions, because I'd have no interest in porting to another platform, and would have no incentive to do so.
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Maybe so, but you get a lot more culture when people can do it full-time, as a profession than if everyone has to work day-job as plumbers and builders, and try to knock up 'the matrix' at weekends and evenings.
I guess in the anti-copyright nirvana it wouldn't matter, because we could all just copy old movies and claim they were new ones anyway...
Still doesn't sound ideal to me.
how many times do I have to type this:
google take down copyrighted content on request. TPB do not.
That is a BIG FUCKING difference.
so how do single player games work in this amazing new economy that everyone preaches about?
that "nutty rant" is from wikipedia. Sorry to burst your bubble but despite the slashdot groupthink pretending its a cuddly website, TPB *is* backed financially by a racist right-wing millionaire.
ah cool. as usual, slashdot mods me flamebait rather than try and explain why I'm wrong by replying. Some people REALLY don't like carl lundstrom's name being mentioned. Does the 'keep sweden white' politician somewhat embarrass the left-wing supporters of 'free content' maybe?
Some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lundstr%C3%B6m
"According to the Swedish leftist magazine Expo, LundstrÃm is a financier of various right wing organizations and was a member of the nationalist organization Bevara Sverige Svenskt ("Keep Sweden Swedish"). Some years later he was noted as a financier of the Swedish Progress Party. He left the Progress Party in 1992 for the newly founded New Democracy.
However, when LundstrÃm's membership in New Democracy was brought to attention by the media the party's leadership demanded his expulsion. In March 1992, LundstrÃm left the party and, according to himself, politics. However, according to Expo, LundstrÃm has later donated money to the National Democrats and other "far right parties" and also ordered "national socialist and revisionist material from white power companies"."
google and TPB and entirely hugely clearly and demonstrably different.
Google obey the rights and wishes of copyright-holders. You can have google search results and blog pages and other links removed easily just by sending a DMCA complaint to google.
TPB openly mock people who even request that files be removed.
To claim the two are the same is either ill-informed, or an attempt to blind people to the way TPB and google operate in order to justify TPB's actions.
What?
How is it capitalism if you don't have to compete with my product, but just give my product away and claim it is yours?
This is what abolishing IP does.
In fact it is the complete antithesis of creativity and culture, because it enables everyone to re-use other peoples creative works rather than make their own.
If I could get people to buy the Sims from me, without having to bother making it, that sounds like an easy life. As it goes, that's illegal, so when fooling around with game ideas I came up with a life-sim game that is completely different, which I then sell for money as a competing product.
Is the world a better place because there are now 2 competing products? or would we be better off if everyone just copies the first one?
I'm glad CCP had to make eve on-line rather than just making Elite Online. I'm glad that I have the choice between world of warcraft and lord of the rings on-line.
Killing off intellectual property is the best way imaginable to totally kill off competition. Nobody can compete with free and their is zero incentive to innovate if you can just carbon-copy the market-leader without penalty.
If you really hated the RIAA you would just not listen to music made by its members.
If TPB really hated the RIAA it could do massive damage to them right this very second.
They would just remove all RIAA music from their site today, and make the top 100 on the most popular music website on earth be a list of non-riaa music.
Instant marketing dynamite for being a non-riaa band.
Something tells me they don't give a fuck though. They will do whatever gets them ad-impressions.
If piracy was all about sticking it to the RIAA, why do you all continue to perpetuate their music as the most popular and sought-after?
Oh my fucking god.
You mean if I want to make a cartoon now, i might have to have an original idea?
Fuck. I can see that it really would enrich our culture if we could just regurgitate Disney cartoons rather than coming up with South Park, The Simpsons and Ren and Stimpy.
They would all have been much better with a fucking cartoon mouse in them.
Evil copyright bastards.
Hi there.
I'm an indie developer who makes games from his spare bedroom. I earn less than most software developers do, and have fuck all pension plan or work benefits,
The piratebay make it possible for people to rip me off and take a game that takes me 10 hours a day a year to make... for free.
The piratebay is funded by a right wing millionaire businessman closely connected to fascist and racist organisations in Sweden. Google 'carl lundstrom' for details. TPB has many adverts and is one of the most popular sites on the whole web. It also has minimal bandwidth costs because it makes a big fuss out of not hosting anything.
In short, it makes a mega-fuckton of ad money from other peoples work.
Explain to me again how thepiratebay earning money from ads whilst giving away my work for free, and lining the pockets of its millionaire founder is anything like a fucking robin hood?
They are thieves with an awesome PR dept. Its sad to see so many otherwise reasonable and nice people fall for the blatant bullshit about them being heroes. This is PR spin. How much of that money they collected in donations to buy an island did they stick in their bank accounts?
Where is the prominent spot on TPB to promote non-riaa bands and indie film producers? where is the 'free speech and pro-democracy' section on their homepage?
Face facts, TPB is about getting ad impressions for distributing the same mass-market shit everyone pretends to hate.
hey kiddie. I never post as A/C, unlike you, because I clearly believe in what I have to say.
Grow up kid.
which musicians?
Because I'm SURE you checked the contract details and bank statements of EACH of the musicians involved in music pirated by her to ascertain independently and truthfully that the deal they have KNOWINGLY signed with a record company did not meet your apparent 'minimum standards' where you decide to overrule the contract, and their free decision to make business deals and to take their music without paying a single penny.
You do that right?
Or do you just cling to some "All record companies are evil" bullshit when it allows you to take other peoples work for free and still sleep at night?
let me guess, you work full time as a musician right?
no, i didnt think so. People who take other peoples hard wrk for free, are often keen to lecture the people they take from that "its in your best interests".
Even muggers and burglars don't try to lecture their victims after the event.
I see.
so we shouldn't make a distinction between people who paint watercolors, and people who spray graffiti tags over peoples houses?
Its all just painting right?
Of course hackers who did this should not be glorified. They are cyber-vandals, no different to thugs who smash windows or set fire to a warehouse.
Wow.
You really think anyone who doesn't spit and curse at the RIAA whilst declaring Jammie Thomas to be innocent is a troll?
Is that how you fight court battles?
"I'm not responding to the prosecutor because I suspect they are a troll".
or maybe she is guilty as hell, her lawyer knows it, and didn't want to fight a battle he would inevitably lose badly?
But no, as she is being prosecuted by the record companies, she MUST be innocent right?
Amazing though it sounds, a lot of people DO pirate music, some of them get caught, and a very few of them are stupid enough to try and feign innocence in that situation.
actually 90% of the adverts in gaming magazines are exactly like you describe, with buxom elves in lingerie and gun toting chiselled dorks grimacing like they need a crap.
As for the dell thing, when I got a laptop for my wife, her only contribution to picking the specification was the colour, which she took a very active interest in, so I guess Dell got something right with having so many options.
That hardly means we should glorify the son of a bitch who did this. Hacking into computer systems to say "I was here" is petty, but harmless. Hacking in and destroying someone's data is just psychotic, and of course should be punishable.
wow what an antisocial little prick you are.
Fucking go get a job kiddie, then you might start to appreciate other peoples work. Till then, do what mommy asks and tidy your room ok?
I treat people who act like children as children. That includes you.
Only a total piece of pond scum uses the word 'retard' because he disagrees with someone.
go fuck yourself.
go fuck yourself asshole. I don't read beyond when someone throws out insults, because they are clearly fucking antisocial scum.
so once again... go fuck yourself prick.
Its especially depressing, as a 'content creator' to see that pirates claim to understand the idea of 'contributing' and 'thanking people for their work' but don't give a fuck about the contributions or work of the people who actually make the stuff, as opposed to just clicking a button to seed a fucking torrent.
Oh rly?
If it was not enforced, I'm sure a huige chunk of people would rbeak the law of shoplifting. Why the hell should I care about wal-marts profits? they have tons of hamburgers, I'm only taking a few. Everyone is doing it. We all want cheap burgers. The burgers are more than I was prepared to pay etc waffle bullshit blah blah...
The problem is on day two of changing the shoplifting law, every beef farmer in the country changes career. No more burgers for you...
This is not rocket science.
Ah, because if a dozen slashdot free-software zealots don't want a bill passed, it MUST be opposed by 99% of humanity right?
free software is not responsive to the marklet like commercial software is.
if application A is commerical and has 2 bugs, one of which is a bastard to track down and fix, but is resulting in lost sales, and one is purely cosmetic and fun to fix, the bastard bug gets fixed first.
if that application is free, the likliehood is the easy/fun bug gets fixed first, if at all, and only if the app developer hasnt got any cool new features he wants put in.
Comemrcial software has the benefits of accurate signals being sent to it to guide priorities and development, in the form of sales figures and real hard currency.
I don't even own a mac, and prefer the PC, but there are Mac versions of my games. Why? because it makes commercial sense to do so, and it makes more money than it costs.
If I lived in a 'free' utopia with no money, you wouldnt have mac versions, because I'd have no interest in porting to another platform, and would have no incentive to do so.