It seems that, once again, the only UNIX that's figured this sort of thing out is Darwin.:P
All hail OS X.:)
Seriously though, does anybody have a good understanding of what the real issue is here? Is the problem the Linux kernel itself, or nVidia not putting development money into it? The fact that there is no legit OpenGL implementation, or the fact that nobody see's it as a priority?
What's the biggest obstacle between Linux and proper, mature, accelerated 3D from a major vendor?
*sigh*
My comment was hardly meant to be a "DigiDesign owns all" comment. RME Hammerfall, Sonorus, MOTU et all are all perfectly valid solutions for audio production.
Personally, I really like the Hammerfall and am considering getting one of their Cardbus solutions for mobile stuff.
And yes, OS X does support that configuration. PT 6 is in fact shipping now to pre-orders.
Incidentally, you've clearly never used TDM ProTools. TDM hardware is extremely good at what it does. Without TDM, mixing 48 tracks with effects on a single CPU G3 machine would be impossible. With TDM, it's not only possible, but common place. Of course, with PT6, you need a decent machine to run OS X, but that's not the point.
Besides, TDM plugins just sound better then their CPU bound counterparts. Really give a listen on nice studio monitors and you can hear the difference clearly.
OK, this may in fact be a "professional recording studio", but in the author's own words, he uses the machines for archiving audio, burning discs and making CD's for distribution.
When I can slap a pair of DigiDesign TDM cards into a linux box, run ProTools, and then use them to mix a 32 or 48 track mix for a band I'm recording... well, THEN it'll be ready for profesional audio use.
Frankly, the only UNIX doing that kind of audio right now is MacOS X. Native multi-channel 32 bit audio is pretty sweet, yes... but it's not something linux sports in a usable fashion right now.
Now, I understand that 99% percent of Slashdot readers are sitting at home with a copy of RedHat, and as far as their concernced, Linux is the future and Sun, HP, IBM and SGI are just lumbering dinosaurs of the past who are desperately trying to jump off the ship before it sinks to the bottom of the ocean.
Of course, these people don't have real jobs in real data centers where real high availability and high performance computing needs are the biggest priority.
In these situations, Sun, HP, IBM and SGI are not just a choice for dinosaurs... but instead, the only REAL choice. I admin a few Linix boxes, and frankly, Linux is coming along very nicely. I still remember the old days (pre-shadow passwords and such), and compared to then, Linux has made leeps and bounds ahead.
But to compare Linux to Solaris regarding servers and finding Linux to be a better alternative for high end deployments is just being ignorant. Solaris is a battle-tested, highly scalable operating system running on a battle-tested, highly scalable platform (SPARC) with thousands of support personel and thousands of years of cumulative experience behind it.
Any company can crack out an operating system to run well with one or two CPU's (just look at those guys in Redmond), but it takes the likes of Sun, IBM, HP and SGI to crack out operating systems that scale up to hundreds of CPU's in a single enclosure with hundreds of gigagytes of memory... and make those systems work just as reliably as their low end boxes.
We have database servers with 16 CPU's and 32 gigabytes of memory. The database processes themselves are currently using 20+ gigabytes of memory and are processing complex summary queries in the range of 1500-3000 qps. This same work load would literally send smoke shooting out the back of a Linux box with a few Athlon MP or Xeon CPU's in it.
Now, Opteron and Itanium2 may eventually change this, but let's not forget that the keyword there is "eventually"... right now, and at least for the next few years, Sun and the like will still reign supreme at the high end.
Oh, and to anyone who says "Sun is dying out"... you're just outright stupid. There, I said it. Sun is the leading vendor in the highest margin segment of the server market. When you sell servers to banks or military departments for $5,000,000... let's just say, you're not going out of business anytime soon.
This is similair, as mentioned to EJB, but of course, is also very similair to EOF from NeXT (now Apple). EOF has been doing this sort of object->DB mapping with all the caching and related benefits for several years now.
Some dude cooks up 350 lines of untested code to do something that's already been done and it's news?
lol.. you'd think. My Grandma is quicker on the uptake then half the Sysadmins I know... especially with every tenth person on earth holding an MCSE and getting trusted to run a server (or servers)... as if an MCSE is worth even the electricity it took me to write this on my laptop.
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It seems that, once again, the only UNIX that's figured this sort of thing out is Darwin.
All hail OS X.
Seriously though, does anybody have a good understanding of what the real issue is here? Is the problem the Linux kernel itself, or nVidia not putting development money into it? The fact that there is no legit OpenGL implementation, or the fact that nobody see's it as a priority?
What's the biggest obstacle between Linux and proper, mature, accelerated 3D from a major vendor?
*sigh* My comment was hardly meant to be a "DigiDesign owns all" comment. RME Hammerfall, Sonorus, MOTU et all are all perfectly valid solutions for audio production. Personally, I really like the Hammerfall and am considering getting one of their Cardbus solutions for mobile stuff. And yes, OS X does support that configuration. PT 6 is in fact shipping now to pre-orders. Incidentally, you've clearly never used TDM ProTools. TDM hardware is extremely good at what it does. Without TDM, mixing 48 tracks with effects on a single CPU G3 machine would be impossible. With TDM, it's not only possible, but common place. Of course, with PT6, you need a decent machine to run OS X, but that's not the point. Besides, TDM plugins just sound better then their CPU bound counterparts. Really give a listen on nice studio monitors and you can hear the difference clearly.
OK, this may in fact be a "professional recording studio", but in the author's own words, he uses the machines for archiving audio, burning discs and making CD's for distribution.
When I can slap a pair of DigiDesign TDM cards into a linux box, run ProTools, and then use them to mix a 32 or 48 track mix for a band I'm recording... well, THEN it'll be ready for profesional audio use.
Frankly, the only UNIX doing that kind of audio right now is MacOS X. Native multi-channel 32 bit audio is pretty sweet, yes... but it's not something linux sports in a usable fashion right now.
Now, I understand that 99% percent of Slashdot readers are sitting at home with a copy of RedHat, and as far as their concernced, Linux is the future and Sun, HP, IBM and SGI are just lumbering dinosaurs of the past who are desperately trying to jump off the ship before it sinks to the bottom of the ocean.
... you're just outright stupid. There, I said it. Sun is the leading vendor in the highest margin segment of the server market. When you sell servers to banks or military departments for $5,000,000... let's just say, you're not going out of business anytime soon.
Of course, these people don't have real jobs in real data centers where real high availability and high performance computing needs are the biggest priority.
In these situations, Sun, HP, IBM and SGI are not just a choice for dinosaurs... but instead, the only REAL choice. I admin a few Linix boxes, and frankly, Linux is coming along very nicely. I still remember the old days (pre-shadow passwords and such), and compared to then, Linux has made leeps and bounds ahead.
But to compare Linux to Solaris regarding servers and finding Linux to be a better alternative for high end deployments is just being ignorant. Solaris is a battle-tested, highly scalable operating system running on a battle-tested, highly scalable platform (SPARC) with thousands of support personel and thousands of years of cumulative experience behind it.
Any company can crack out an operating system to run well with one or two CPU's (just look at those guys in Redmond), but it takes the likes of Sun, IBM, HP and SGI to crack out operating systems that scale up to hundreds of CPU's in a single enclosure with hundreds of gigagytes of memory... and make those systems work just as reliably as their low end boxes.
We have database servers with 16 CPU's and 32 gigabytes of memory. The database processes themselves are currently using 20+ gigabytes of memory and are processing complex summary queries in the range of 1500-3000 qps. This same work load would literally send smoke shooting out the back of a Linux box with a few Athlon MP or Xeon CPU's in it.
Now, Opteron and Itanium2 may eventually change this, but let's not forget that the keyword there is "eventually"... right now, and at least for the next few years, Sun and the like will still reign supreme at the high end.
Oh, and to anyone who says "Sun is dying out"
This is similair, as mentioned to EJB, but of course, is also very similair to EOF from NeXT (now Apple). EOF has been doing this sort of object->DB mapping with all the caching and related benefits for several years now.
Some dude cooks up 350 lines of untested code to do something that's already been done and it's news?
What is this, CNN?
$20 says Ogg support comes with iTunse 4, due in July.
.. Ogg's not a concern of mine. AAC is the sound-shizzle.
I wouldn't be surprised if the iPod's coming out then have Ogg support too.
At anyrate
Bwahahah.
Yes, an CP/M is still running on more machines then Windows.
Oh, and VMS is more popular then the PlayStation 2.
And the Pinto was the best selling car last year.
Where do these idiots come from?
lol.. you'd think. My Grandma is quicker on the uptake then half the Sysadmins I know... especially with every tenth person on earth holding an MCSE and getting trusted to run a server (or servers)... as if an MCSE is worth even the electricity it took me to write this on my laptop.