You realize that coding is applicable to more than just a CS degree, right? I'm a mechanical engineer that ends up coding for 80% of my job. It's a tool to get a job done. We have a pretty decent shortage of engineers that can code. There are more jobs out there where coding lends itself to 'automate the boring things'.
If you have a perfect mine site where nothing ever changes topologically, then there might be an extremely limited scope, akin to virtual train track operation.
I just bought a Dell M6700 for cheap. Pulled the CPU and replaced it with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3940XM CPU @ 3.00GHz. Replaced the monitor with a 1080p one for under $100.
For under $1000 I have a 17" laptop with competitive benchmarks, room for 4x internal hard drives (3x 2.5" 1x M.2) and 32 GB of RAM. It runs FreeBSD and Linux Mint just fine. Firewire, USB3, Display port, VGA, HDMI and serial/parallel ports when connected to a dock.
You're in an entirely different field. If I said the word Bash at work I'd get blank stares. I'm a mechanical engineer. But the 'problems' of ageism are the same.
Take a guy with a PhD in mechanical engineering that refused to learn CAD.
According to him he's highly skilled and isn't getting hired because of ageism. According to the workforce he has no usable skills. Who is right?
And why would you scan 10,000 remote servers from a single machine? Turn it into a celery task. Distribute it to machines based on location. You have one machine on the remote servers scanning those and reporting things back.
I really wish this was made more visible to non-geeks. taking to geeks is not useful, about this, as we all know about it already.
No we don't. Lets look at another field that's not computer science / coding / programming: Engineering.
Everything that the coders here are complaining about I've heard in Engineering but when I drill down to who is having the problems it's a particular set of people.
An engineer turning 60 this year would have graduated in ~'78. CAD wouldn't have taken off like it has now. I know managers with PhDs who are highly intelligent but moved out of actual engineering refusing to learn CAD. They insisted they didn't need it and wanted to do things the 'old way'.
Someone that was just a head of the game when they graduated may have bought themselves 5-10 years of maintaining the status quo for processes but there becomes a point where they are more of a hindrance to getting work done than they're worth.
I've been a sw/hw guy since my teens
How much Simulink do you know? A lot of Embedded development is moving to that. It's hilarious watching slashdotters complain about "Drag-and-Drop" CS and how it'll "never work" when I do that for a living.
The world of software and hardware has changed since you were a teen and if you're doing things as you were doing them even 5 years ago your skills are out of date. Learning is a life long endeavor most people finish college and think they can glide until 60 with their skillset.
I'm in the bay area
And if you insist on staying there while still saying you can't find a job that's a you problem. My small contract company has multiple positions open that sound like they fit what you claim your skill set is but they're not in the bay area.
So if you are everything you claim to be and can't get any of these jobs listed either 1) You don't have the modern skills you think you do. 2) You're limiting yourself to a geographic area both of which fall to you.
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Most of their processes are 2 decades old, and when they came up with them they were new and fancy. I'm this close to just replacing them with a Python script. A lot of engineering is still old and boring stuff. 20 years ago the 'hot new' fancy way to do something was write a VBA script in Excel. And for the last 20 years they've been resting on that. But the world has changed. I'd rather just have Python scrape a supplier's website for prices (or interface with their API they provide). Pull all of the prices, perform the cost analysis and be done with it.
My current Struggle at work is getting Engineers in their 40s+ off of VBA because "That's what we know". Some of the stuff is so painful I'll spend a weekend rewriting it from scratch in Python and it'll do it faster, better and can do it without them.
Uber's long game isn't dealing with drivers ever. They poached a lot of CMU's robotics department. They've pre-ordered self driving Teslas.
The sooner they can get rid of the Drivers the happier they'll be. Right now they're just collecting data for where and where to do the routes. I wouldn't be shocked if they're buying up property for parking garages / charging stations along highly traveled routes.
I have to question what Clinton supporters' endgame is. I've heard everything from "Not a true democrat" (It's true, I'm an independent), "Blue no matter what" (um no, I'll evaluate everything in play), to worse. Do they all forget that this is the primary? So you've not only pissed me off and alienated me and you're going to want me to vote for your candidate in November?
Keep it up and wonder why Hillary loses to candidate X in November because of all those "Not real democrats" decided not to deal with the "real" democrat.
And I don't spend most of my free time keep up on skills. I spend work hours keeping up on skills. I automate the boring parts of my job, and then 'slack off' by learning something new.
My 'job' as is didn't exist 10 years ago and my job from 10 years ago is a folder of scripts. I *hate* working with these guys, the ones that insist on doing things the way they learned them when they graduated from college in 1980. Their skills are beyond rusty and the only reason they're still employed is because it's easier to do that than get replacements. And that only works to a point, then they decide to sweep in H1Bs and replace a bunch of dead weight.
I want to know what people have a 'hard job search' if they are that valuable. Companies poach 50+ y/o good workers all the time in our industry. People will retire and get rehired as part time because of their skill sets.
It makes me wonder if most of these employees are little more than warm bodies.
This is just another example of trying to solve the wrong problem. Megabit cable is great for businesses and universities, but massive overkill for the average consumer. Running all new coax to every house in every neighborhood in every city makes no sense when we already have wiring in place that can easily provide the dial up that people need.
Co-workers that I say "Hey, this way is new, faster and better. It's been vetted and is going to reduce our error". And they insist on doing it the 'old way'.
It's the engineers that insisted on hand drafting when CAD was being rolled out. You can only stick in the past for so long before you're just dead weight doing work that most people stopped doing decades ago.
Because in a field where layoffs are routine, you're not going to see the old people with up-to-date skills who didn't get hired at because of their age.
"Old People" with up to date skills are worth their weight in gold. People are known to retire and then come back part time because they're that valuable.
And H1Bs and Ageism. It's almost as if it is pure coincidence that the guys complaining about H1Bs doing their job for less and not being able to find jobs after a certain age also have an issue with advances in technology like 3D printers.
This site is heavily populated by 21st century blacksmiths and buggy whip manufactures whining about 'that new fangled technology' wondering why no one needs them anymore.
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And all it takes is a trip to the Nordic states to realize how shitty America is.
You can? Where. The M6500 was the last one with the x1200 screen.
You realize that coding is applicable to more than just a CS degree, right? I'm a mechanical engineer that ends up coding for 80% of my job. It's a tool to get a job done. We have a pretty decent shortage of engineers that can code. There are more jobs out there where coding lends itself to 'automate the boring things'.
Why would I order it? I helped write it.
If you have a perfect mine site where nothing ever changes topologically, then there might be an extremely limited scope, akin to virtual train track operation.
Want to talk more about what you don't know?
is in anyway relevant to this topic.
I need real computers with modern hardware running a real UNIX-style operating system.
Seems to be on topic to me.
I just bought a Dell M6700 for cheap. Pulled the CPU and replaced it with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3940XM CPU @ 3.00GHz. Replaced the monitor with a 1080p one for under $100.
For under $1000 I have a 17" laptop with competitive benchmarks, room for 4x internal hard drives (3x 2.5" 1x M.2) and 32 GB of RAM. It runs FreeBSD and Linux Mint just fine. Firewire, USB3, Display port, VGA, HDMI and serial/parallel ports when connected to a dock.
It's all I could ask for in a mobile workstation.
The idea that this all solved for something with a 180 horsepower engine is downright silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
http://www.cat.com/en_US/suppo...
It's an example.
Spoken like someone that is going to complain of ageism because he didn't keep his resume up to date.
You're in an entirely different field. If I said the word Bash at work I'd get blank stares. I'm a mechanical engineer. But the 'problems' of ageism are the same.
Take a guy with a PhD in mechanical engineering that refused to learn CAD.
According to him he's highly skilled and isn't getting hired because of ageism. According to the workforce he has no usable skills. Who is right?
And why would you scan 10,000 remote servers from a single machine? Turn it into a celery task. Distribute it to machines based on location. You have one machine on the remote servers scanning those and reporting things back.
Real engineers use what ever they have at hand as a hammer to pound what ever nails they have on hand.
Exactly. Their 'job' usually consists of taking care of the fringe cases.
we all KNOW this is a problem.
I really wish this was made more visible to non-geeks. taking to geeks is not useful, about this, as we all know about it already.
No we don't. Lets look at another field that's not computer science / coding / programming: Engineering.
Everything that the coders here are complaining about I've heard in Engineering but when I drill down to who is having the problems it's a particular set of people.
An engineer turning 60 this year would have graduated in ~'78. CAD wouldn't have taken off like it has now. I know managers with PhDs who are highly intelligent but moved out of actual engineering refusing to learn CAD. They insisted they didn't need it and wanted to do things the 'old way'.
Someone that was just a head of the game when they graduated may have bought themselves 5-10 years of maintaining the status quo for processes but there becomes a point where they are more of a hindrance to getting work done than they're worth.
I've been a sw/hw guy since my teens
How much Simulink do you know? A lot of Embedded development is moving to that. It's hilarious watching slashdotters complain about "Drag-and-Drop" CS and how it'll "never work" when I do that for a living.
The world of software and hardware has changed since you were a teen and if you're doing things as you were doing them even 5 years ago your skills are out of date. Learning is a life long endeavor most people finish college and think they can glide until 60 with their skillset.
I'm in the bay area
And if you insist on staying there while still saying you can't find a job that's a you problem. My small contract company has multiple positions open that sound like they fit what you claim your skill set is but they're not in the bay area.
So if you are everything you claim to be and can't get any of these jobs listed either 1) You don't have the modern skills you think you do. 2) You're limiting yourself to a geographic area both of which fall to you.
This has been my experience as well.
Most of their processes are 2 decades old, and when they came up with them they were new and fancy. I'm this close to just replacing them with a Python script. A lot of engineering is still old and boring stuff. 20 years ago the 'hot new' fancy way to do something was write a VBA script in Excel. And for the last 20 years they've been resting on that. But the world has changed. I'd rather just have Python scrape a supplier's website for prices (or interface with their API they provide). Pull all of the prices, perform the cost analysis and be done with it.
My current Struggle at work is getting Engineers in their 40s+ off of VBA because "That's what we know". Some of the stuff is so painful I'll spend a weekend rewriting it from scratch in Python and it'll do it faster, better and can do it without them.
Uber's long game isn't dealing with drivers ever. They poached a lot of CMU's robotics department. They've pre-ordered self driving Teslas.
The sooner they can get rid of the Drivers the happier they'll be. Right now they're just collecting data for where and where to do the routes. I wouldn't be shocked if they're buying up property for parking garages / charging stations along highly traveled routes.
I have to question what Clinton supporters' endgame is. I've heard everything from "Not a true democrat" (It's true, I'm an independent), "Blue no matter what" (um no, I'll evaluate everything in play), to worse. Do they all forget that this is the primary? So you've not only pissed me off and alienated me and you're going to want me to vote for your candidate in November?
Keep it up and wonder why Hillary loses to candidate X in November because of all those "Not real democrats" decided not to deal with the "real" democrat.
Oh ok. I'll see if TPB has it instead.
Finally someone else that seems to 'get' it.
And I don't spend most of my free time keep up on skills. I spend work hours keeping up on skills. I automate the boring parts of my job, and then 'slack off' by learning something new.
My 'job' as is didn't exist 10 years ago and my job from 10 years ago is a folder of scripts. I *hate* working with these guys, the ones that insist on doing things the way they learned them when they graduated from college in 1980. Their skills are beyond rusty and the only reason they're still employed is because it's easier to do that than get replacements. And that only works to a point, then they decide to sweep in H1Bs and replace a bunch of dead weight.
I want to know what people have a 'hard job search' if they are that valuable. Companies poach 50+ y/o good workers all the time in our industry. People will retire and get rehired as part time because of their skill sets.
It makes me wonder if most of these employees are little more than warm bodies.
How about someone with 4 years, give or take, of specialized study exactly in what you do?
And Trademark is defend it or lose it.
This is just another example of trying to solve the wrong problem. Megabit cable is great for businesses and universities, but massive overkill for the average consumer. Running all new coax to every house in every neighborhood in every city makes no sense when we already have wiring in place that can easily provide the dial up that people need.
Co-workers that I say "Hey, this way is new, faster and better. It's been vetted and is going to reduce our error". And they insist on doing it the 'old way'.
It's the engineers that insisted on hand drafting when CAD was being rolled out. You can only stick in the past for so long before you're just dead weight doing work that most people stopped doing decades ago.
Because in a field where layoffs are routine, you're not going to see the old people with up-to-date skills who didn't get hired at because of their age.
"Old People" with up to date skills are worth their weight in gold. People are known to retire and then come back part time because they're that valuable.
He's the type of developer that gets replaced by an H1B and then complains about it on Slashdot.
Or hits 50 and can't find a job so he blames ageism.
And H1Bs and Ageism. It's almost as if it is pure coincidence that the guys complaining about H1Bs doing their job for less and not being able to find jobs after a certain age also have an issue with advances in technology like 3D printers.
This site is heavily populated by 21st century blacksmiths and buggy whip manufactures whining about 'that new fangled technology' wondering why no one needs them anymore.