Actually, "cleaning house" would be saying "we fucked up btu we're not gonna make that mistake again."
It is not our responsibility to "liberate" people. If you are being held captive it is YOUR responsibility to fight for your liberty. Nothing wrong with helping, but helping doesn't mean "we are here to liberate you."
(just try to name one useful innovation in software we wouldn't have were it not for software patents - they are occasionally a by-product of innovation, but never a motivator for it).
Wasn't OGG created specifically as an open (and free) alternative to the mpeg variants?
Weren't Free BSD and linux created as a response to their closed, proprietary and heavily licensed competitors?
But I do believe I understand the Bible, and I do believe it's the word of God...
So which is it? Either the bible is "the word of god" or it's just so many parables collected and bound and preached by a bunch of zealots. The bible clearly states man is not at all created of animals but was put above them and that whole "evolution" thing goes out the window - along with any need for those sexual dysfunctions you so quickly passed by in response.
What makes you think I am "far left?" Because I fucking hate Christians? But I hate Jews and especially feminists, too... so wouldn't that make me "far right?"
You blather on about namecalling while turning that hose upon me?
These are not those "capacitors invented in the thirties." They type of capacitors used in this application are of the ultra-low ESR variety. They have a frequency response and other characteristics that were formerly attributable only to dipped tantalum caps even as late as the 80's. They are typically made from an organic material and they are more sensitive to stress than those old chemical electrolytics.
These capacitors are products of very modern technology, and so it can be expected some plants that were used to only producing the older technologies might fail.
It's not natural. It's not why we have sexual organs. They're for procreation, not recreation.
What an incredible, steaming pile of horse shit. If you believe in a just and LOGICAL god then why the fuck did he bundle more NERVES in these places than anywhere else? What fucking sense does that make? We are not animals - we are humans capable (allegedly) of logical thought and therefore do not need "sensory pleasure' to motivvate us to reproduce - we are capable of understanding the need for procreation no matter if it feels good or not. giving birth stresses the female anatomy in heinous fashion - what sort of "kind, loving god" would then stuff this area with so many nerves as to make the act of birth as painful as possible?
Why did god give us tastebuds? So we could discern poisons? Then why do so many poisonous plants taste sweet? Why can we see in color when so many animals do just fine with black and white vision?
Get over yourselves. You're a bunch of brainwashed idiots being controlled by the MIB. You fuckers are destroying this country by undermining everything the patriots fought and died for, and that treasonous motherfucker (and his warmongering jewboy sidekick) you idiots put in the whitehouse should face down a firing squad.
I suggest you read my initial comment (I'll not say again so as to give you benefit of doubt...)
I'm saying that "I hope this kind of christian attitude gets you hell on earth, because that's what it deserves". My biggest beef with christians (and nearly all religious groups), is their insistence that they aren't judging people, while simultaneously insisting that they not only deserve to but WILL burn in hell.
Saying "I hope you burn in hell" doesn't make me a Christian any more than would saying "I hope Kortar sails you to Gre'thor" make me a Klingon. Is your geeked out mind better able to comprehend that analogy?
If the two people are not married (or barely know each other), then there are likely not enough support structures in place to take care of the child. The prohibition against sex can be viewed as a motivation to protect children.
Children historically had ZERO value in a society until the time they were able to work in the fields to help support the family. In some places children aren't even named until they reach a year of age because of the likelihood of death. Until the 20th century children without parents would even be left to live in the streets (and still are in many places).
There may have been some inclination to "protect children" by the parents directly, but this has nothing to do with governmental edicts - the root of the church of england and the formative influence upon the flavor of christianity spread throughout the world by the UK and US.
And I don't think Bob and Jeff need have any fear of pregnancy...
If it did, every human capable of sex would be unconditionally condemned.
You claim to have read the bible and do not know it teaches exactly this?
What kind of fucked up christian are you? Oh yeah... an average one - one that has zero ability for critical thinking or self awareness, only "aware" of whatever the pastor beats into your addled brain on sunday mornings.
People like you are a cancer upon this nation. I hope you burn in hell.
When someone drops dead of cancer it's their family's problem. No one who dies of cancer does so in a fiery ball that destroys a Billion dollars worth of infrastructure.
It doesn't matter how many people die. What matters is how much money it costs us in the process. It's always about the money.
No, the servers were not shut down... but those servers mean nothing if no one POSTS, and many forces HAVE been cracking down on posters in the last several months.
And let's not forget how MANY governments have taken to requiring filtering on certain groups. This pressure HAS worked to essentially shut down those groups even if it just means the participants have been forced "underground" to encrypted groups, the net effect is the same: speech is silenced, ideas are marginalized, liberty is supressed.
Usenet may be growing overall, but the content has become much more homogenous, much more spam laden, and in many ways is nothing but a shadow of its former glory.
If you are actually involving children... they cannot give a meaningful consent to sexual activity, and I think legal measures to stop it are warranted.
This was said in the context (or so he said) of erotica. Pornography and erotica are not the same thing, but you seem to have no more clue about this than the person you are trying so ineffectively to defend. Both of you seem to need not just a course in logic, but a dictionary as well...
And the censorware designed to filter out child pornography is where, exactly?
You really think there is none?
It starts at the DNS servers. You can add onto that the notices to the newsgroup providers (who, under under threat of federal prosecution, must oblige the takedown notices) and further onto that pile the bots that poison the p2p well.
Intelligent people know censorware doesn't work in a free society
And, exactly as predicted, they are slippery-sloping beyond that to non-child, but "extremely obscene" but fully consenting adult pr0n.
It's not even much of a slope - because the SCOTUS ruling supporting the initial censorship was partially based on "protecting children from indoctrination" - that existing child porn could be used to help coersce other children.
But it doesn't take child pornography to do that. Kids want to be like grown-ups. All you have to do is show the kid (or for the kid to see it himself by surprising mommy and daddy one day) adults behaving in this manner and the kid is likely to accept it.
So, even from the initial ruling, it's ok to censor any sexual content so long as it "protects the children." All we need is one more mullah on the SCOTUS and no "deviant" will ever be safe...
that's why I never use that box. I use f2o for most of my mail, and they DO censor it for me. It's not a problem because I know they are doing it and I accept that some stuff may not get through - and it's not being INFLICTED upon me.
My ISP does, however, censor its DNS server - and I bet yours does as well. This is why my router uses 4.2.2.2 for its primary DNS resolution...
You're not ignorant because you don't "approve of child erotica" - you're ignorant because you apparently don't even know what the fuck it is... you just know you "don't approave of it."
That's why the joke's on you: we were "done" before I even wrote my first reply to you... because (like most of the braindead masses who support censorship) you don't know what the fuck you're even taking about.
erotic photographs of children are legal in the US. And erotica does *not* involve "sexual activity."
See? This is why censorship takes hold - because people don't even know what the hell they're censoring. They make excuses and rationalizations and pretty soon censorship is "a good thing."
And what of the porn created years ago? This censorship you have been conned into suppoorting is not about protecting children, because those children are long since grown and some of them grown old enough to be DEAD. It's just about silencing speech we don't like - that's all censorship is ever about. Deny the speech, demonize those who rebuke the censorship, and thereby prevent any meaningful dialog on the subject. Just look what happened to Jocelyn Elders when she suggested this country get over its stifling and perverse puritanism...
Dunno... I'll ask both you and the chap above you how you feel about... oh, child pornography? The US government does a pretty damn good job not only of censoring the pornography part but even of pressuring US companies from publishing (and parents and guardians from allowing the creation of) supposedly legal child erotica - and I've encountered very few allegedly "thinking" folks who don't support this all out censorship.
They released the darn thing so you can find what's wrong and tell to the devellopers, so they can fix them.
Yes, and it really looks promising when YOU DO EXACTLY THIS and those developers then mark your bug report "resolved" and tell you "it's supposed to do that."
If the Breezy preview I saw is "normal" and the best the Gnome desktop can do, Windows truly has a bright and promising future. Beagle and dashboard and a thousand more features don't mean a thing if simply clicking to open a folder containing a few hundred files causes a 2GHz computer to thrash about on the desktop like a dying trout for the next ten minutes.
I've been using ubuntu since warty was officially released and generally loved it. I love the simple desktop and the apt/synaptic system of installing new software. I've rebuilt several times and even though I'm on dialup I've found it pretty quick to get going again simply by backing up and reloading the package cache after a reinstall.
Every release has given me some problems, but the latest (breezy colony 4) was so incredibly bad I had to wipe the systme out and reload. When I was trying the dev releases of hoary this never happened, so I'm a little concerned - especially since, after filing a bug report on the main problem I had (it is exceedingly slow, sometimes taking several MINUTES for nautilus to open and display a folder, then apparently having to "refresh" that view again and again as it is opened, essentially making the entire desktop useless for minutes on end) I was told this behavior is "normal when opening very large folders!" Funny, much as I hate windows I never experienced such a lockout when asking exploorer ot open a folder containing several thousand files...
It seems to be related to dnotify (or inotify, whatever they're using) and it also has the effect of causing memory leaks like nobody's business. The chatter I've seen on the list says things like "we don't know if this will be fixed before release" (!)
The only real difference I can see is the updated compiler support (which also proved to be a nuisance, since the system is built with 3.4 but installing their default "build-essential" package loads the 4.0 compiler!) and the newer version of gnome desktop. Mono is also updated but that's not a big deal since you can get the mono installer in one 50MB package and have pretty much the latest official version anyway. I'm personally not convinced that's such a big deal anyway, since beagle has NEVER, EVER worked properly for me and muine (which I loved) is no match for Quod Libet (which looks very much like Muine but has a tag editor from heaven and is written in Python).
Unless things really, really change with breezy in the next 30 days or so I can't see a single reason to change from hoary. Install the build essentials and the header files and build gnome-panel, nautilus and the panel widgets and you'll have a faster, more robust machine than the breezy I saw.
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Actually, "cleaning house" would be saying "we fucked up btu we're not gonna make that mistake again."
It is not our responsibility to "liberate" people. If you are being held captive it is YOUR responsibility to fight for your liberty. Nothing wrong with helping, but helping doesn't mean "we are here to liberate you."
You know, we put Saddahm Hussein in power... along with several other "bad guys' in the world.
We have a hell of a lot of house cleaning to do here before we go judging others.
(just try to name one useful innovation in software we wouldn't have were it not for software patents - they are occasionally a by-product of innovation, but never a motivator for it).
Wasn't OGG created specifically as an open (and free) alternative to the mpeg variants?
Weren't Free BSD and linux created as a response to their closed, proprietary and heavily licensed competitors?
Damn few of you, there are...
But I do believe I understand the Bible, and I do believe it's the word of God...
So which is it? Either the bible is "the word of god" or it's just so many parables collected and bound and preached by a bunch of zealots. The bible clearly states man is not at all created of animals but was put above them and that whole "evolution" thing goes out the window - along with any need for those sexual dysfunctions you so quickly passed by in response.
What makes you think I am "far left?" Because I fucking hate Christians? But I hate Jews and especially feminists, too... so wouldn't that make me "far right?"
You blather on about namecalling while turning that hose upon me?
You fucking hypocrite...
These are not those "capacitors invented in the thirties." They type of capacitors used in this application are of the ultra-low ESR variety. They have a frequency response and other characteristics that were formerly attributable only to dipped tantalum caps even as late as the 80's. They are typically made from an organic material and they are more sensitive to stress than those old chemical electrolytics.
These capacitors are products of very modern technology, and so it can be expected some plants that were used to only producing the older technologies might fail.
It's not natural. It's not why we have sexual organs. They're for procreation, not recreation.
What an incredible, steaming pile of horse shit. If you believe in a just and LOGICAL god then why the fuck did he bundle more NERVES in these places than anywhere else? What fucking sense does that make? We are not animals - we are humans capable (allegedly) of logical thought and therefore do not need "sensory pleasure' to motivvate us to reproduce - we are capable of understanding the need for procreation no matter if it feels good or not. giving birth stresses the female anatomy in heinous fashion - what sort of "kind, loving god" would then stuff this area with so many nerves as to make the act of birth as painful as possible?
Why did god give us tastebuds? So we could discern poisons? Then why do so many poisonous plants taste sweet? Why can we see in color when so many animals do just fine with black and white vision?
Get over yourselves. You're a bunch of brainwashed idiots being controlled by the MIB. You fuckers are destroying this country by undermining everything the patriots fought and died for, and that treasonous motherfucker (and his warmongering jewboy sidekick) you idiots put in the whitehouse should face down a firing squad.
I suggest you read my initial comment (I'll not say again so as to give you benefit of doubt...)
I'm saying that "I hope this kind of christian attitude gets you hell on earth, because that's what it deserves". My biggest beef with christians (and nearly all religious groups), is their insistence that they aren't judging people, while simultaneously insisting that they not only deserve to but WILL burn in hell.
Saying "I hope you burn in hell" doesn't make me a Christian any more than would saying "I hope Kortar sails you to Gre'thor" make me a Klingon. Is your geeked out mind better able to comprehend that analogy?
Oh yeah? Well I hope you burn in an oven built by the Jews, Atheists, Communists, and Barbara Streisand
Hmmm.. instersting you should put it that way. As I recall, it was you "christian" parasites who last did this up in grand fashion.
If the two people are not married (or barely know each other), then there are likely not enough support structures in place to take care of the child. The prohibition against sex can be viewed as a motivation to protect children.
Children historically had ZERO value in a society until the time they were able to work in the fields to help support the family. In some places children aren't even named until they reach a year of age because of the likelihood of death. Until the 20th century children without parents would even be left to live in the streets (and still are in many places).
There may have been some inclination to "protect children" by the parents directly, but this has nothing to do with governmental edicts - the root of the church of england and the formative influence upon the flavor of christianity spread throughout the world by the UK and US.
And I don't think Bob and Jeff need have any fear of pregnancy...
Your argument has zero basis in logical proofs.
If it did, every human capable of sex would be unconditionally condemned.
You claim to have read the bible and do not know it teaches exactly this?
What kind of fucked up christian are you? Oh yeah... an average one - one that has zero ability for critical thinking or self awareness, only "aware" of whatever the pastor beats into your addled brain on sunday mornings.
People like you are a cancer upon this nation. I hope you burn in hell.
My foot is currently broken, and I believe I have established that I am both 'uninsured' and an 'American' (one in good standing, too)...
Well, maybe you will be...
When someone drops dead of cancer it's their family's problem. No one who dies of cancer does so in a fiery ball that destroys a Billion dollars worth of infrastructure.
It doesn't matter how many people die. What matters is how much money it costs us in the process. It's always about the money.
Aren't you christians the ones who invented that whole "it's a choice" argument?
Religion is a choice, not a matter of birth. People are born black (or gay) - no one is born a christian.
Many of us don't even want to live here any more.
Goddamn motherfucking christians. They'll put goddamn satan in the fucking whitehouse if they think it means no more roe v wade.
No, the servers were not shut down... but those servers mean nothing if no one POSTS, and many forces HAVE been cracking down on posters in the last several months.
And let's not forget how MANY governments have taken to requiring filtering on certain groups. This pressure HAS worked to essentially shut down those groups even if it just means the participants have been forced "underground" to encrypted groups, the net effect is the same: speech is silenced, ideas are marginalized, liberty is supressed.
Usenet may be growing overall, but the content has become much more homogenous, much more spam laden, and in many ways is nothing but a shadow of its former glory.
Moron #2, meet Moron #1...
... they cannot give a meaningful consent to sexual activity, and I think legal measures to stop it are warranted.
If you are actually involving children
This was said in the context (or so he said) of erotica. Pornography and erotica are not the same thing, but you seem to have no more clue about this than the person you are trying so ineffectively to defend. Both of you seem to need not just a course in logic, but a dictionary as well...
And the censorware designed to filter out child pornography is where, exactly?
You really think there is none?
It starts at the DNS servers. You can add onto that the notices to the newsgroup providers (who, under under threat of federal prosecution, must oblige the takedown notices) and further onto that pile the bots that poison the p2p well.
Intelligent people know censorware doesn't work in a free society
and you sure seem to know from "intelligence..."
And, exactly as predicted, they are slippery-sloping beyond that to non-child, but "extremely obscene" but fully consenting adult pr0n.
It's not even much of a slope - because the SCOTUS ruling supporting the initial censorship was partially based on "protecting children from indoctrination" - that existing child porn could be used to help coersce other children.
But it doesn't take child pornography to do that. Kids want to be like grown-ups. All you have to do is show the kid (or for the kid to see it himself by surprising mommy and daddy one day) adults behaving in this manner and the kid is likely to accept it.
So, even from the initial ruling, it's ok to censor any sexual content so long as it "protects the children." All we need is one more mullah on the SCOTUS and no "deviant" will ever be safe...
that's why I never use that box. I use f2o for most of my mail, and they DO censor it for me. It's not a problem because I know they are doing it and I accept that some stuff may not get through - and it's not being INFLICTED upon me.
My ISP does, however, censor its DNS server - and I bet yours does as well. This is why my router uses 4.2.2.2 for its primary DNS resolution...
You're not ignorant because you don't "approve of child erotica" - you're ignorant because you apparently don't even know what the fuck it is... you just know you "don't approave of it."
That's why the joke's on you: we were "done" before I even wrote my first reply to you... because (like most of the braindead masses who support censorship) you don't know what the fuck you're even taking about.
erotic photographs of children are legal in the US. And erotica does *not* involve "sexual activity."
See? This is why censorship takes hold - because people don't even know what the hell they're censoring. They make excuses and rationalizations and pretty soon censorship is "a good thing."
And what of the porn created years ago? This censorship you have been conned into suppoorting is not about protecting children, because those children are long since grown and some of them grown old enough to be DEAD. It's just about silencing speech we don't like - that's all censorship is ever about. Deny the speech, demonize those who rebuke the censorship, and thereby prevent any meaningful dialog on the subject. Just look what happened to Jocelyn Elders when she suggested this country get over its stifling and perverse puritanism...
Dunno... I'll ask both you and the chap above you how you feel about... oh, child pornography? The US government does a pretty damn good job not only of censoring the pornography part but even of pressuring US companies from publishing (and parents and guardians from allowing the creation of) supposedly legal child erotica - and I've encountered very few allegedly "thinking" folks who don't support this all out censorship.
They released the darn thing so you can find what's wrong and tell to the devellopers, so they can fix them.
Yes, and it really looks promising when YOU DO EXACTLY THIS and those developers then mark your bug report "resolved" and tell you "it's supposed to do that."
If the Breezy preview I saw is "normal" and the best the Gnome desktop can do, Windows truly has a bright and promising future. Beagle and dashboard and a thousand more features don't mean a thing if simply clicking to open a folder containing a few hundred files causes a 2GHz computer to thrash about on the desktop like a dying trout for the next ten minutes.
I've been using ubuntu since warty was officially released and generally loved it. I love the simple desktop and the apt/synaptic system of installing new software. I've rebuilt several times and even though I'm on dialup I've found it pretty quick to get going again simply by backing up and reloading the package cache after a reinstall.
Every release has given me some problems, but the latest (breezy colony 4) was so incredibly bad I had to wipe the systme out and reload. When I was trying the dev releases of hoary this never happened, so I'm a little concerned - especially since, after filing a bug report on the main problem I had (it is exceedingly slow, sometimes taking several MINUTES for nautilus to open and display a folder, then apparently having to "refresh" that view again and again as it is opened, essentially making the entire desktop useless for minutes on end) I was told this behavior is "normal when opening very large folders!" Funny, much as I hate windows I never experienced such a lockout when asking exploorer ot open a folder containing several thousand files...
It seems to be related to dnotify (or inotify, whatever they're using) and it also has the effect of causing memory leaks like nobody's business. The chatter I've seen on the list says things like "we don't know if this will be fixed before release" (!)
The only real difference I can see is the updated compiler support (which also proved to be a nuisance, since the system is built with 3.4 but installing their default "build-essential" package loads the 4.0 compiler!) and the newer version of gnome desktop. Mono is also updated but that's not a big deal since you can get the mono installer in one 50MB package and have pretty much the latest official version anyway. I'm personally not convinced that's such a big deal anyway, since beagle has NEVER, EVER worked properly for me and muine (which I loved) is no match for Quod Libet (which looks very much like Muine but has a tag editor from heaven and is written in Python).
Unless things really, really change with breezy in the next 30 days or so I can't see a single reason to change from hoary. Install the build essentials and the header files and build gnome-panel, nautilus and the panel widgets and you'll have a faster, more robust machine than the breezy I saw.