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GUBA makes Usenet search easy as Google
ChipGuy writes "Despite the growing popularity of p2p networks,Usenet is the real treasure trove of multimedia content including vintage cartoons, westerns and popular television shows. Nearly two terabytes of data is added everyday to Usenet. GUBA, a seven year old San Francisco company is making it easier to find the information on Usenet through the browser. Its like " Google for Usenet," says this report."
So.. they've invented deja/google groups?
And what is google groups exactly?
Usenet right on google, and it is searchable.
as long I can find porn easier. :)
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At $14.95 a month I don't really see how this place is any different than Easynews or UseNext. Doesn't seem like all that new an idea, and certainly the price doesn't lead me to believe I'm any better off than these other services.
Is there something that reading the article and checking out the site didn't make obvious?
I thought that Google Groups was... you know... USENET groups on, well, Google.
looks like much of the "content" they index is pirated material.
it also costs money to use their service.
GUBA is a pay-for service, yet for some reason the summary neglects to mention this. Call me cynical, but when something as fundamental as that is missed out, I start thinking "advert".
It's official. Most of you are morons.
It looks like this is for all the binary content on Usenet (pics, music, pics, programs, wavs, ummm, pictures, and of course, pr0n, pr0n, warez, pr0n, pr0n, warez .....
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This is interesting. As I am looking at what they seem to have indexed it seems that most of it is all material which holds some sort of Copyright. I have to wonder about the legality of this service. I realize that they are not actually holding the videos and files on their machines, but it still makes you wonder how long they will be around.
Just consult HTGFP [htgfp.com] (How To Get Free Porn ebook).
is NewZbin.
God bless the creators.
You're nothing; like me.
So much for flying under the [RI|MP]AA's radar. I just can't wait until they start issuing subpenas and crapflooding the MP3 and multimedia groups.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
And what is google groups exactly?
A way to search *text*
Usenet right on google, and it is searchable.
Except that it doesn't include pictures, music, and videos. Try searching google for alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 and see what you get.
Although I have a hard time picturing how these guys are gonna stay alive once the MPAA/RIAA finds out about them.
If you have an internet connection, you probably also already have access to newsgroups. Buy NewsRover and search 'till your heart's content. (And you don't need to pay $14.95/month to do it)
Since others will probably mention google groups, I'll just mention that google groups doesn't search for binaries whereas this is geared towards a binaries search. If this service was free I would probably use it. But it's not so I'll continue to use my new reader.
I have never seen a site with so many bad usernames from bugmenot. They must be automatically removing them.
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GUBA is a commercial porn site that masquerades as a Usenet archive. It's been around for years, and certainly isn't as comprehensive as Google Groups. The linked "report" is just a blog post.
Any particular reason why this got posted? Did the editor get free membership in return?
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For anyone who's wondering this really isn't that good for porn. It's too slow and awkward, and getting it to display anything in series is next to impossible.
www.giganews.com and Binary News Reaper are your friends!
*carefully checks 'Post Anonymously'*
Let's start a business that publicizes the terrabytes of warez on Usenet. Yeah, that's a real smart move.
Is this news? This site has been around for a long time. Why now on /.?
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Funny me, I thought that google for usenet was Google.
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However.. a cool feature they have is how they transcode all video clips into Flash format.
http://members.easynews.com/global4/ for the win.
It's just one of many commercial USENET-binary services.
Yawn.
Mod main story down: Not newsworthy
They're watching.
Cripes, Taco. I can understand wanting to tell the world about this, but did you have to put P2P and multimedia in the summary?
What were you thinking?
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
I can't see any worthwhile features offered by this service for the $15 per month that you would pay. All of the major usenet providers (Giganews, Easynews, and Newzbin are just a few that I have experience with) offer similar search services. Not only do they include images and video (which, so far, is all this GUMA service would provide), but also every binary posted to Usenet. Why would you pay an extra $15? For the video conversion features? (which is actually kind of neat, but I'm sure most people can simply download and play any videos they find if they want to see them).
The other problem is that the article does not mention who actually provides the content. Will GUMA be hosting their own NNTP servers? What kind of retention will it have, and can it compete with the 55+ days offered by the big providers?
Maybe, just maybe, some potential customers would be those who just heard of this "Usenet" and want a famailiar interface to it all. But sooner or later, they should realize that they can get so much more for little to nothing in extra costs per month.
most of the groups seem to be missing, if i wanted to pay it would be a better choice to go with a proper usenet provider that indexes ALL the groups (giganews etc etc) and does not remove groups that it does not agree with the politics of, GUBA seems to provide only a very tiny censored subset of Usenet, which isnt really the idea
i thouhg google groups was google for usenet.
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The difference, according to this article is that they don't allow you to search for, or download MP3s or videos over 70 minutes.
I think I'll stick to EasyNews. It's cheaper, they don't log what I download, and they have an awesome web based search taht works well with FlashGot.
Also, after reading the linked article, their CEO sounds pretty clueless. They are blocking the MP3s because the RIAA has been so agressive about enforcing copyright, but will be leaving on TV shows because "the TV guys seem to understand the Internet..." I'm giving them a month or so before they're sued into oblivion.
Hasn't the idea of promoting a service based on access to a lot of copyright protected material placed on the internet illegally been bashed and trashed soundly in the courts? I just don't see how a service like GUBA which charges for access can avoid being sued out of existence by *AA. They really cannot claim not to know that much of the material is protected by copyright. Of course, Google can't claim that either, but Google doesn't charge a fee for access and doesn't promote said material as a reason to use their services.
To the making of books there is no end, so let's get started
What a nice concept, provide a high quality warez search for fixed monthly fee.
Doesn't anyone else see any legal problems with their business plan?
My quality social news site.com.
I've seen a number of comments on Slashdot over the years reminiscing about the good old days of USENET. What an awesome collaboration tool! I can honestly say that I never would have advanced in my career if it hadn't been for the content and availability of members of USENET. And it was fun!
That said, it's dying a slow death, soon to be almost completely relegated to read-only status. Google Groups is trying an "embrace an extend" of the old USENET hierarchy with a newer one, but somehow it just doesn't do it for me. Maybe it's the web interface ("AJAX" notwithstanding), maybe it's the centralized architecture, maybe it's the SPAM/unauthenticated/unrated nature of the NNTP protocol, maybe it's the inability to search archives from within USENET, maybe it's a combination of all of them.
Regardless, there is one thing for certain, we need a USENET 2.0 way, way, way more than a Web 2.0.
Here: http://www.disenter.com/
So, best case scenario - the studios buy an account, find all their stuff posted, let these guys know _and_ find the poster. Which will result in fewer things being posted, causing nobody to want the service... except the studios.
Why not just try and sell the company to them in the first place and save the wasted time?
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What's up with this ad for GUBA??
Easynews kicks the crap out of GUBA and is cheaper. We have
a better global search, carry over 100TB, bigger/faster gigE
pipes, even unrar and thumbnail your svcd's!!
So I ask, what's up with this ad?
-- godzilla
Turn safemode off, search for 'boobs'. Can Google Groups do that, eh?
This reaks to me of spam. Newzbin have provided a free binaries group search for years now, and provide NZB files too.
The only thing GUBA seems to add is a prettier interface. I don't think a prettier interface is required, myself.
Usenet is a treasure trove of pictures of naked ladies (or men if that is your taste) and all sorts of porn.
I hate you guys. Just shut your dirty mouths.
GUBA has been around for a long time by internet standards (1998 according to the WHOIS record). It has also been a pay site for as long as I can remember. I think they popped up about the time independent providers charging for Usenet hosting also appeared.
Did they change their interface? Is it faster? Why is this new?
There are other sites for finding recent Usenet binary postings. However, they all link to some level of intrinsically non-public binary information (just like GUBA, or BT for that matter). One would be better off looking for them on their own, rather than resourcing Slashdot for that information.
One more company trying to charge you for downloading pirated content. How is this newsworthy? Google excludes binaries from Groups because most binaries are porn and warez. They're clearly capable of the video indexing as well. This is just old technology put to illicit use.
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Go ahead I dare you. Type in " failure " (without qoutes)in google search and click im feeling lucky!
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Really, do we really need yet ANOTHER system for searching for porn and warez?
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
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Search for all the porn you want, only $14.95!!
Thats not like google. They do it for free on google images.
Any good news reader connected to your news server can do the same thing GUBA does.
Hmmm...
http://www.newzbin.com/ seems to have all this covered and for free.
I'm writing a tool which will hopefully interface with newzbin - www.donutmonster.com - and run on several OSs.
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... except they are free:
http://www.newzsearch.com/
http://www.newzbin.com/
http://alt.binaries.nl/
just to mention some...
From all the providers I had in the years nobody of them ever had the alt.binary.* groups available. So which provider actually do have them available and how are they surviving in todays times where sharing a little bit of music can get you jail time?
Slashdot keeps finding ever more creative ways to get the words Google on its front page. This story really has nothing to do with Google yet they managed to google it up.
:) ....
Really makes me wonder just how much Google stock did they buy anyway??
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Apparently he doesn't realize that music videos are also covered by the RIAA...
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Yes, there are a number of stories here where the referenced site would likely have been willing to pay for the story. However, if you look at the pages for actually advertising on /., there is no reference to buying an article.
Well, there wasn't a reference to buying an article on Fark either, and they were selling posts right and left (they still are, but now they admit to it).
I would be surprised if this WASN'T an ad - there are better ways to get usenet multimedia and I'm sure Taco knows about 'em.
The ONLY differences between Guba and any other service is that it has a slightly better categorization system and a better looking design. Nothing to see here, move along.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
BT is efficient. Data starts in one place, then spreads to interested parties, who share the burden of distribution.
Usenet is wildly inefficient. Data is expanded into an messy ascii encoding, handed to and fro by copying-in-full between thousands of completely uninterested parties, to the order of gigabytes per day. Then the actual interested users download it, taking no part of the burden, quite possibly missing chunks with no way to retrieve them, copy yet again the original from the ascii encoding, log off and throw the encoded data away.
It made sense when the only comms available to the average computer was intermittent dial-and-forward.
Nowdays, especially for large binary data, it's beyond obsolete - it's silly.
One thing the article forgets to mention: You can search, but you can't get. You have to pay $15 per month to access.
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Does EasyNews do that?
Isn't google like google for usenet?
Its (sic) like "Google for Usenet," says this report.
We already have a Google for Usenet. It was called DejaNews, which was bought by--you guessed it--Google.
Ok did anyone else read that as CUBA search easy as Google? Seriously confused for a moment.
In other news, an as yet unheard of seven year old company is launching a new service to quickly find content among Gopher servers. Gopher is a treasure trove of useful textual content. "It's like Google for Gopher," says the report.
Now everyone is going to Gopher 2.0
</sarcasm>
anyone else wondering why this is posted on the same day this story is on msnbc?
Search engine preps porn for video iPod
Guba to convert video files into format used by Apple's player
one can only wonder.
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The war on terror is a war for peace
>Despite the growing popularity of p2p networks,Usenet is the real treasure trove of multimedia content including vintage cartoons, westerns and popular television shows.
Can we please not mention this too loudly.
Outlook Express has newsreader capabilities but is absolutely horrible at downloading binaries. It's extremely slow for one thing, often pinning the CPU at 100% while "searching message for hyperlinks". It also requires you to manually select all the pieces of a file and move them into the correct order.
This little program, on the other hand, is amazing. It automatically gathers scattered pieces together and shows at a glance whether all the pieces are present. There is a small learning curve with Binary Boy but if you use Usenet for downloading pr0^H^H^Hmedia it pays off quickly in the time you will save.
...just download from the amateur home-made photo and movie newsgroups.
Well we all know Google wants to "own" everything. Only they promise to not be evil about it.
will they index RIAA's subpoenas?
... still thinking that Usenet is primarily a text based medium.
But that's seems to be too much 1990s thinking these days, unfortunately. Discussion mainly happens in web forums. Yet, if you search for a particular piece of information, Google Groups search can be so much than having to trudge through gazillions of EBay "search results" when using web search.
I think, it's very unfortunate, that Usenet is primarily seen as a distribution platform for (illegal) binary content.
Seems like a slashvertisement to me...
:)
And their site - it ain't no friggin' google
Google is free. Guba is bloody expensive.
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Hey, not flaming I'm being serious. Quickest way to destroy a new technology is to put the spotlight on it and say "it helps you get copies of copyrighted media". Which the summary says, thusly:
Usenet is the real treasure trove of multimedia content including vintage cartoons, westerns and popular television shows.
If it wasn't for public statements like these, BitTorrent wouldn't be in any trouble. Right? So let's keep quiet about our old beloved Usenet so the *AA doesn't bring the hammer down.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Bittorent only works well if the content is popular. Try to download something old or obscure sometime. 5 megs, one seed and no leachers, and I supposed to wait 10 hours for the download? Now that's silly and wildly inefficient.
Whats up with your ad?
Thankfully USENET is still too difficult for the average, shall we say, tarduser who wants free gifts of movies, software, and music.
People especially seemed baffled by PAR files and other USENET arcana, which is good. As a Newzbin user myself, and a binary news reader user before that, it's a common occurance to find someone who has no idea how to use PAR files.
As USENET is made simpler and simpler, and the tired and retarded masses descend on it, we know it's not gonna last forever. It's only a matter of time before it's cracked down on.
Just when Usenetters thought they were safe from the unwashed hordes and had enough n00bs to deal with arguing over Yenc, Rar, and split files...
As others have mentioned the RIAA and MPAA will no doubt be looking more at these areas now. I suspect the OSS community will get the demand they need to really get behind things like Tor, Privoxy, etc. as well as a resurgence of Mixmaster and Nym anonymous mail/usenet. There will be the usual arguments here and there about encryption and anonymity being G-d's gift to mankind or a sign of sure skullduggery.
Great. Now I can listen to more useless arguing over JBN vs. Quicksilver again. Spammers finally finishing off Usenet as the really good old time posters leave due to that and n00bs for private boards and then Usenet will go down in flames for good. Pr0n will be no more on Usenet if it isn't spam because spammers post only commercial ad clips and pic and n00bs aren't brilliant enough or caring enough to post anything themselves. MP3s? Hah. They'll leave too. Old tv show trades posted openly? Thing of a long lost past.
This is definitely going to backfire. Or if you're a committed tinfoil hat afficianado, then this is going to do exactly what it was designed to do: put the last nails into Usenet.
I'm not an elitist, being in favor of people using Windows if they be not techies just so they can have an Internet experience too, but Usenet is to the net what Lynx is to the web. It's old, clunky, and esoteric and not for n00bs, especially the ones who don't want to learn and want everything done for them and complain endlessly. However, for those who are willing to learn to dance across a keyboard and memorize ten dozen exotic things, it can be a wonderful way of sharing information to those looking for it. n00bs don't belong there. There's too many as it is.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
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Don't you all get it? IT'S A TRAP!! This was overheard at RIAA headquarters a few days ago (the names have been changed to protect the bastards).
/. that praises GUBA. Then, sit back as we watch all the /. posters make comments like "GUBA sux, xyz is soooo much better". Once we have the names of all the competing usenet providers, we can swoop in and shut them all down.
Joe: Hey Mike, I just discovered this GUBA thing. I can download all the porn I want for only $15 a month!
Mike: Awesome! What else do they have?
Joe: Dunno. I've only used it for porn so far. Let's check it out... HOLY SHIT! There's all kinds of pirated music on here! We gotta shut this down...but what about my porn?
Mike: So, this usenet thing is pretty big, right? How can find every usenet provider?
Joe: Good question...
Mike: I have an idea. We can post a story on
Joe: Excellent idea. Is it ok if I keep using it for porn until we have to shut it down?
Mike: I don't see why not...
Joe: Hey Mike, isn't that your wife? What's she doing with that cow???
-ds
Not to mention that Easynews has been around for ages. Easynews was kind of the "best kept secret" in the world of usenet binaries. This stupid slashvertisement for Guba is very unfortunate.
All hail easynews! (no, really I love it)
Advertising themselves as a search engine for all the copyrighted content on Usenet is not the best business plan. Only a matter of time before the MPAA/RIAA/TV Networks come down on them.
I just wasted your mod points! HA!
http://webgoggles.com/ already!
He might work for a rival news service (Easynews), but damnit he's right.
Easynews compared to GUBA (and for that matter any other USENET provider) is like driving a porsche compared to eating a fresh, steaming turd.
GUBA? Isn't that Gastro's gountry?
Submitter was just kidding RIAA MPAA and the rest of the Media! There is no such thing as usenet. Now go arrest a grandmother.
BZZZZZZT! Try again, troll ass-clown. I have never once, in YEARS of using Easynews, seen its performance be anything less than excellent.
Of course, that (and Usenet) may change now that the cat is out of the bag, thanks to this retarded Slashdot advertisement/article.
I love Easynews!
Posting a comment is a little different than whatever GUBA had to do to purchase a front page advertisement on Slashdot.
Damn! Now Usenet is no longer "under the radar". I knew this would happen eventually, but I was hoping for later rather than sooner.
It was very nice knowing you, Usenet. You will be missed.
For people who use Google a lot, it's surprising that noone has found that this site is just one of a few. It's also smaller than some, and cheaper than some. Search for 'usenet binaries' on Google, and you'll find better services than GUBA.
I'd download, transcode, index, and then *torrentize*, track, and seed the content. that might be worth paying $5-$10 a month for.
Can we at least get some props for transcoding all the videos into flash? You can always get the original (even from some other Usenet provider, you cheapskates), but if you just want to see the damn video without having to dork with different codecs or players, you can't beat it.
;-))
Eric...
(and no.. nobody at Slashdot got a free account for this post... but we'd be happy to hand them out..
lets try to keep usenet obscure and hard to use.
Ive seen every other thing come and go, the faster they go seems to be related to the ease of use.
Lets go back the the days before par files and nzb files when usenet was hard work and dedication to actually download anything.
Its been around this long lets try to keep it around longer.
Anyone who has used both Usenet and Bittorrent knows that Usenet is for porn images and clips, Bittorrent is for everything else. The non-porn collection of video and image content on Usenet (and MP3 for that matter) is relatively small and completely random. Guba trying to sell itself to Google as some sort of 'multimedia redistributor' is some really done-up dot-com mumbo-jumbo. Anyone with geek cred uses usenetbinaries.com, they are like 3 times bigger than Guba and free.
Advertizing paid warez search websites like this one on slashdot is just wrong.
Sad thing is, you're correct. I've been on Usenet since 1993. I love it and no one seems to know about it...until now. :-(
another "story" thats really a fscking ad... bastards... i already have a newsfeed thankyou, unless this is free whats the point?
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Big deal.
I get full usenet access, awesome retention and completion, web-interface or NNTP, global usenet search (text, binaries, you want it, you can find it), queues, auto-zip, autounrar (I can download the RAR or just the avi), thumbnails, image viewer for $9.98 a month through Easynews.com.
So...?
What makes this service worth $15 a month? I skimmed the site and it, well, sucked.
None of what they offer seems to be new.
WHERE'S STar wars 10??? why it not posted yet??? cmon GUBA where is it? i've paid my money now post it!!!
Oh how I love thy Usenet.
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Who came up with the "2 terabytes uploaded to Usenet every day" figure that the article throws around? Is that one of those astroturf'd numbers? Whose servers are storing 730TB/year for free?!
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You're wrong. All connections are getting maxed out. I'm always at 7 megabit and apparently more and more people are maxing out 30 megabit. Problem now? No. Future problem? I doubt it based on the long history of Easynews and their stellar performance.
Let me know when they charge the same google does to search the web...
Stop! Dremel time!
In fact, it has already existed for quite some time, and is just like "Google for Usenet"
http://groups.google.com/
At the risk of sounding like a salesman like the article, Unison on OS X is probably the greatest Newsgroup client by far. I've used clients on Windows, Linux, and OS X, and this is the only one I've found that takes the globs of files for a certain "file", and groups them. So you just see one item to download, and not a few hundred. Although you still have to wait for groups to download, this view is very similar to indexing services like Guba and newzbin in which you get a nzb file that gives a single thing to download a "file". I really don't get why others have not implemented a similar view in their clients.
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If you stop talking about it, people will forget about it. GUBA isn't gonna do Jack to make anybody use usenet. And I'm not saying any more.
To tell the truth, I didn't know that I could get pirated copyrighted material on USENET as well as operating system development advice. Thanks Slashdot!
Seriously, I'm too lazy to search through our local newsgroup server to find one that'll host binaries.
Usenet is the real treasure trove of multimedia content shhhhhhh
Try Pictureview.com or diiva.com they are cheaper and carry more groups!
Shouldn't that be in ROT13?
Um, I mean
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I keep hearing usenet in the news, it's as if the media is enticing the RIAA to do something. I mean in every article I read, they say something how it's better than P2P and that the RIAA hasn't touched it. Well so much for flying under the radar. Pretty soon usenet is going to be full of dummy files, dummy posts, and dummy p2p users. Usenet was the final frontier, 2006 will be the end as we know it.
Even though I'll be modded down for supporting Godzilla, Easynews.com really does kick ass. I've been using it for several years now and I'm extremely pleased. The global search alone is worth the price of admission, but there's tons of other useful stuff there too (put stuff in zip files before downloading, http and nntp interfaces, nntp discounts towards quota, etc).
It's well worth the $10/mo. Don't knock it just because it's not free until you've given it a test drive.
hey, wow it is just like google except you have to pay a hell of a lot for it, oh and it fucking sucks.
and since your usage will be tracked through your account, you'll probably end up getting sued someday.
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Actually...
EasyNews has this neat AutoUNRAR feature that lets you stream rar'ed content (Long videos, TV shows, movies, usually all released to usenet rared up)
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Stop talking about what? ;-)
You're not paying to pirate. You can do that on your own without spending any money. What you are paying for is "advanced piracy-related services".
My other first post is car post.
Who cares if they're just transcoding?
NewsLeecher has a built in SuperSearcher (accesses the net) that searches a HUGE amount of groups - Retention >50 days for the searcher. NewsLeecher itself is NSP-independent, so you are free to choose among the many good NSP's. GigaNews, NewsHosting, EasyNews etc etc.
Any technology distinguishable from magic, is insufficiently advanced.
I am quite happy with Easynews. I recommend them highly.
Now all we need is something worth searching for on usenet.
Each of the pr0n links on their site feature a number of sample images that repeat for every day in the archive. These images appear to be carefully choosen as many feature borderline teens some of which could be substantially under age.
A quick browse gives me the impression that they're reaching out to a questionable target market (pedophiles)! Even though everyone here knows 'child porn' makes it's way onto the usenet I think it's low that they're actually baiting pedophiles with that.
Call me flaimbait if you want, but check it out for yourself. None of the other news gathering services used these tactics.
Wow, Easynews sounds great,I'm going to give easynews a try.
...
... everyone who uses Usenet is an asshole? Why, sir, I quite resemble that compliment!
"He who throws mud, loses ground." - proverb
Furthermore, Godzilla and the folks at EasyNews are known good guys with good business cred, good tech cred, etc.
GUBA is not known to be run by good guys, quite the opposite actually.
-davidu
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I love it when companies want you to pay for something that has existed for free for decades.
This post == MARKETING
Nothing to see here...move along.
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