The problem with that is that ZFS is not just a filesystem, it's a complete "IO stack". It's everything that does from the VFS to the device drivers. Sun didn't improve their old stack, they wrote a new brand system and they left the old system there.
Such thing would not be tollerated on the Linux main tree, it would be considered a very ugly design mistake. For them, the IO stack would need to work for ZFS and for FAT, and they would never buy the logic of "ZFS is special and needs special treatment to be better than the rest". If ZFS was released, Linus & co wouldn't accept it until ZFS is modified to fit the Linux IO stack, and/or they modify the Linux I/O layer to fit what ZFS needs.
Without the Sun-paid developers, would OpenSolaris keep its development momentum?
Another similar question is: Even with the Sun-paid developers, can OpenSolaris keep its development momentum? I very much doubt it, in fact if you look at the trends, you could say that solaris lost that momentum years ago. The only thing that keeps the interest in opensolaris today is ZFS (which is great, but it doesn't make the traditional filesystems irrelevant - LVM and traditional raid suck, but it works and it can do almost everything that ZFS does, even if its a bit slower and crappier), and it's impossible to release big innovative features like ZFS every few years, things like zfs only happen one time every n-decades.
My take: Ellison is not going to follow the anti-Linux competitive attitude that the old Sun had. Its clear that Linux is here to stay, and Oracle couldn't win a fight against Linux, because pretty much everyone except Microsoft and Apple back it. I can't guess what they will do with opensolaris, but it's clear that they aren't going to start a war against Linux, because that would mean starting a war against the huge and increasing share of their Oracle Linux customers.
Yes, we do. We also pay to SGAE (the spanish RIAA) when you buy a DVD recorder mp3 player, a mobile phone or a hard disk. 6 months ago I bought a 500 GB hard disk, and 13.92 of it went to SGAE.
Obviously, after paying that I demand the right to pirate all what I want.
These things are a great way to make a beautiful landscape hideous.
So do highways and railways. And cities. Anyway, we are lucky that now we make decisions based on aestetics.
And the amount of power generated considering the acreage needed is ridiculous.
Indeed, 4.000 MW (more than pretty much any nuclear power station, there're power stations more powerful but they use multiple reactors) are ridiculous
Only really old people will have trouble communicating in English. The exceptions in western Europe is France and Germany.
Add Spain to the list, unless you live in a tourist zone with many english retirees you won't be able to communicate. Even we the young people won't speak english...
Chrome falls into the "proprietary or whatever" category because it's made by Google. Basically, open source projects that weren't initiated by a commercial vendor suck.
The rendering engine used by Chrome and Safari (webkit) wasn't made by any company. In fact, its origins are KHTML. the rendering engine used by KDE.
Indeed. But what you forget is that such "ponzi-based" systems have benefited many people for decades in many countries. If they didn't have such systems, the retirees would have needed to save more money in the past, or the workers would have needed to pay more money. You can make a social security system that does NOT depend on a ponzy-like scheme, but it takes more money. The same goes if you choose private insurance, you will need more money. So, once the worker-to-beneficiary ratio falls to a level where social security based in ponzy-like schemes systems, there will not be a big difference between the expensive social security system and the expensive private insurance.
They also use Intel (in fact, IMO they seem to like more their intel partnership, probably due to the fact that AMD these days suck). So I don't see how this would benefit AMD alone...
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Which is a shame, since if it did, ZFS would be last file system mankind would have ever needed.
Yeah, Sun's marketing would like you to think that since ZFS filesystem research has become irrelevant. But that's stupid. ZFS is just another filesystem - a good one, but just that. We will see new filesystems.
That's what makes ZFS scary IMO. Would you put your data in a filesystem which doesn't have a fsck tool for extreme cases? I certainly wouldn't. What if I hit the same issue you hit? I would lose all my data, there's no fsck. Touching the metadata myself doesn't looks very reliable. I would rather use a filesystem that offers a fsck tool for those extreme cases - fortunately btrfs does have a fsck tool....
The solution that Microsoft was pursuing was good, and attempted to fit the RSS model blogs use to push content
I think that FeedSync is great...if you think of it as a "improved RSS/Atom", but nothing more. I mean, using it as synchronization protocol for any kind of data flowing to/from the cloud looks stupid.
And this whole synchronization thing seems to be oriented, in the Microsoft side, to sync data between storage devices and computers. Google however seems want put most of the data in their servers. Just "upload" them one time, and the rest of the time access and share that data with the browser. No need to sync - most of the time. Microsoft is all focused in building a "synchronization protocol" that is not really going to be neccesary if we move all/most of our data to the cloud...
Let me quote what Joel On Software wrote about Ozzie and all this "Mesh" thing:
And now Ray Ozzie's big achievement arrives and what is it? (drumroll...) Microsoft Live Mesh. The future of everything. Microsoft is "moving into the cloud."
What's Microsoft Live Mesh?
Hmm, let's see.
"Imagine all your devices--PCs, and soon Macs and mobile phones--working together to give you anywhere access to the information you care about."
Wait a minute. Something smells fishy here. Isn't that exactly what Hailstorm was supposed to be? I smell an architecture astronaut.
And what is this Windows Live Mesh?
It's a way to synchronize files.
Jeez, we've had that forever. When did the first sync web sites start coming out? 1999? There were a million versions. xdrive, mydrive, idrive, youdrive, wealldrive for ice cream. Nobody cared then and nobody cares now, because synchronizing files is just not a killer application. I'm sorry. It seems like it should be. But it's not.
But Windows Live Mesh is not just a way to synchronize files. That's just the sample app. It's a whole goddamned architecture, with an API and developer tools and in insane diagram showing all the nifty layers of acronyms, and it seems like the chief astronauts at Microsoft literally expect this to be their gigantic platform in the sky which will take over when Windows becomes irrelevant on the desktop. And synchronizing files is supposed to be, like, the equivalent of Microsoft Write on Windows 1.0.
It's Groove, rewritten from scratch, one more time. Ray Ozzie just can't stop rewriting this damn app, again and again and again, and taking 5-7 years each time.
And the fact that customers never asked for this feature and none of the earlier versions really took off as huge platforms doesn't stop him.
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The problem with that is that ZFS is not just a filesystem, it's a complete "IO stack". It's everything that does from the VFS to the device drivers. Sun didn't improve their old stack, they wrote a new brand system and they left the old system there.
Such thing would not be tollerated on the Linux main tree, it would be considered a very ugly design mistake. For them, the IO stack would need to work for ZFS and for FAT, and they would never buy the logic of "ZFS is special and needs special treatment to be better than the rest". If ZFS was released, Linus & co wouldn't accept it until ZFS is modified to fit the Linux IO stack, and/or they modify the Linux I/O layer to fit what ZFS needs.
Without the Sun-paid developers, would OpenSolaris keep its development momentum?
Another similar question is: Even with the Sun-paid developers, can OpenSolaris keep its development momentum? I very much doubt it, in fact if you look at the trends, you could say that solaris lost that momentum years ago. The only thing that keeps the interest in opensolaris today is ZFS (which is great, but it doesn't make the traditional filesystems irrelevant - LVM and traditional raid suck, but it works and it can do almost everything that ZFS does, even if its a bit slower and crappier), and it's impossible to release big innovative features like ZFS every few years, things like zfs only happen one time every n-decades.
My take: Ellison is not going to follow the anti-Linux competitive attitude that the old Sun had. Its clear that Linux is here to stay, and Oracle couldn't win a fight against Linux, because pretty much everyone except Microsoft and Apple back it. I can't guess what they will do with opensolaris, but it's clear that they aren't going to start a war against Linux, because that would mean starting a war against the huge and increasing share of their Oracle Linux customers.
Yes, we do. We also pay to SGAE (the spanish RIAA) when you buy a DVD recorder mp3 player, a mobile phone or a hard disk. 6 months ago I bought a 500 GB hard disk, and 13.92 of it went to SGAE.
Obviously, after paying that I demand the right to pirate all what I want.
These things are a great way to make a beautiful landscape hideous.
So do highways and railways. And cities. Anyway, we are lucky that now we make decisions based on aestetics.
And the amount of power generated considering the acreage needed is ridiculous.
Indeed, 4.000 MW (more than pretty much any nuclear power station, there're power stations more powerful but they use multiple reactors) are ridiculous
JFS has been in "bugfix mode" for some time.
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Only really old people will have trouble communicating in English. The exceptions in western Europe is France and Germany.
Add Spain to the list, unless you live in a tourist zone with many english retirees you won't be able to communicate. Even we the young people won't speak english...
Don't miss this oportunity, they will probably cut all the ads so you won't need to FF :)
The opensource equivalent of Core Animation
Chrome falls into the "proprietary or whatever" category because it's made by Google. Basically, open source projects that weren't initiated by a commercial vendor suck.
The rendering engine used by Chrome and Safari (webkit) wasn't made by any company. In fact, its origins are KHTML. the rendering engine used by KDE.
Dirac is supposed to be a great opensource, patent-free codec, yet nobody seems to care a lot about it in all those HTML5 video talks....
Indeed. But what you forget is that such "ponzi-based" systems have benefited many people for decades in many countries. If they didn't have such systems, the retirees would have needed to save more money in the past, or the workers would have needed to pay more money. You can make a social security system that does NOT depend on a ponzy-like scheme, but it takes more money. The same goes if you choose private insurance, you will need more money. So, once the worker-to-beneficiary ratio falls to a level where social security based in ponzy-like schemes systems, there will not be a big difference between the expensive social security system and the expensive private insurance.
Well, back in 2002 he was not the only one. He has probably changed their opinion now that Linux is crucial for their survival.
They also use Intel (in fact, IMO they seem to like more their intel partnership, probably due to the fact that AMD these days suck). So I don't see how this would benefit AMD alone...
bash-static, but then the whole purpose of that package is to build everything static :)
VMS? Windows? ReactOS?
Just look at the way they use sockets. Internet is a Unix feature.
Plan9?
It was created to fix Unix, so obviously it has a LOT of unix heritage.
One more doubt...
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I have been following the zfs-discuss list for years, and almost no one has lost data.
That must be a different list than the one I've been reading....
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-April/027748.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-April/027765.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-January/025601.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-March/027629.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-March/027365.html
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2009-March/027257.html
Which is a shame, since if it did, ZFS would be last file system mankind would have ever needed.
Yeah, Sun's marketing would like you to think that since ZFS filesystem research has become irrelevant. But that's stupid. ZFS is just another filesystem - a good one, but just that. We will see new filesystems.
That's what makes ZFS scary IMO. Would you put your data in a filesystem which doesn't have a fsck tool for extreme cases? I certainly wouldn't. What if I hit the same issue you hit? I would lose all my data, there's no fsck. Touching the metadata myself doesn't looks very reliable. I would rather use a filesystem that offers a fsck tool for those extreme cases - fortunately btrfs does have a fsck tool....
The solution that Microsoft was pursuing was good, and attempted to fit the RSS model blogs use to push content
I think that FeedSync is great...if you think of it as a "improved RSS/Atom", but nothing more. I mean, using it as synchronization protocol for any kind of data flowing to/from the cloud looks stupid.
And this whole synchronization thing seems to be oriented, in the Microsoft side, to sync data between storage devices and computers. Google however seems want put most of the data in their servers. Just "upload" them one time, and the rest of the time access and share that data with the browser. No need to sync - most of the time. Microsoft is all focused in building a "synchronization protocol" that is not really going to be neccesary if we move all/most of our data to the cloud...
That is not the hallmark of simplicity.
Let me quote what Joel On Software wrote about Ozzie and all this "Mesh" thing:
And now Ray Ozzie's big achievement arrives and what is it? (drumroll...) Microsoft Live Mesh. The future of everything. Microsoft is "moving into the cloud."
What's Microsoft Live Mesh?
Hmm, let's see.
"Imagine all your devices--PCs, and soon Macs and mobile phones--working together to give you anywhere access to the information you care about."
Wait a minute. Something smells fishy here. Isn't that exactly what Hailstorm was supposed to be? I smell an architecture astronaut.
And what is this Windows Live Mesh?
It's a way to synchronize files.
Jeez, we've had that forever. When did the first sync web sites start coming out? 1999? There were a million versions. xdrive, mydrive, idrive, youdrive, wealldrive for ice cream. Nobody cared then and nobody cares now, because synchronizing files is just not a killer application. I'm sorry. It seems like it should be. But it's not.
But Windows Live Mesh is not just a way to synchronize files. That's just the sample app. It's a whole goddamned architecture, with an API and developer tools and in insane diagram showing all the nifty layers of acronyms, and it seems like the chief astronauts at Microsoft literally expect this to be their gigantic platform in the sky which will take over when Windows becomes irrelevant on the desktop. And synchronizing files is supposed to be, like, the equivalent of Microsoft Write on Windows 1.0.
It's Groove, rewritten from scratch, one more time. Ray Ozzie just can't stop rewriting this damn app, again and again and again, and taking 5-7 years each time.
And the fact that customers never asked for this feature and none of the earlier versions really took off as huge platforms doesn't stop him.
I think it will be a long time before the internet/cloud can compete with local internal storage.
Yeah, tell that to the email clients...
If you don't like Opera -- fine, don't use it.
Which is, of course, what most of people do.