Just curious, it has been many years since freebsd offered me performance advantages than linux. These days it's pretty much the contrary, the last time I tried the supposedly SMP-optimized newest versions of freebsd, the system would fall into the FreeBSD's Big Giant Lock doing some simple dist tasks in a 2-CPU machine. And when I want a BSDish unix OS I've opensolaris....
My motherboard (with nVidia chipset) was $80 cheaper than their P5B Deluxe.
Well, you just choosed a nvidia chipset over a Intel chipset. If you choose price over quality, of course your system is going to be cheaper and you'll have more money to waste on ram. Me, I'd never bought a motherboard with a nvidia chipset.
And then, you choosed a somewhat-old-and-cheap AMD CPU over a recently-released-and-expensive Intel CPU. You could have bought a cheaper Intel CPU aswell, mind you.
It must be noticed that there're some regions in Spain where people also exchanges the 's' for 'c' just as they do in Mexico (mainly in Canary islands and the south, Andalucia - pronounced 'Andalusia' in Mexico:). So It's not a issue, everybody in Spain is used to it, and Mexicans understand us aswell.
The problem is wether the vmware software is "derivated works" or not from the linux GPL code.
Some people thinks that any code that gets inserted via insmod is "derivated works" from Linux. Other people thinks that if you port a windows driver to Linux, it's not "derivated works", since it's derivated from windows. Some lawyers think many other (and different) things.
It pretty much depends on what you understand by "derivated work". This is by far the biggest error in the GPLv2 - it's just not very clear on what it means.
It's just not practical to keep stuffing more features into a monolithic kernel if you're not constantly getting more and more memory to run it on, and only a very small body of users can be expected to ever compile their own
You don't need to recompile anything to use a monolitic kernel. Also, a microkernel is not neccesarily able to add features without recompiling.
When are microkernel zealots going to get that modularity is NOT EXCLUSIVE TO MICROKERNELS? Sight....modularity is a property of software, be it a "microkernel", a macrokernel or whatever. The Linux kernel is very well modularized -more than any microkernel in some areas-, and that's pretty much the reason why monolithic kernels like linux can and will survive.
- Release SOMETHING, even if it's incomplete, because if you try to be perfect you won't never have a product. Releasing "incomplete" products allows you to attract people and then have more programming resources. The KDE guys are not going to include some of the promises of KDE 4.0 until 4.1 which means that KDE 4.0 will be incomplete.....AND WHO CARES? E17 did beat Mac OS X and Vista in some fields before Vista was released, but since they don't release anything, now vista and mac os x have released infrastructure to do what E did before them, now E looks like they're catching up, and in some sense it's true.
- Realize that enlightenment only has sense if you aim to be a full desktop, not just a "desktop shell". I like enlightenment, but then those guys say that E17 "will not compete with GNOME or KD"E....so I keep using GNOME/KDE. They aren't so good in the graphic field as E, but since they are the ones that are desktops, it only has sense to improve and support those, not the one that is not aiming to bring good linux desktops to the masses. Technology itself is cool, but if you don't make it have real-world applications then I don't care.
Thank Gawd Linux isn't using any relic of an OS that started in the 1970's as its base! No, no, all 100% 21st clean legacy-free implementation there.
And BeOS is not very different in this area. The basic ideas that linux implements are the same used in windows or beos.
As many people has already said here, the smp-friendliness of beos cames from the threading of all the userspace libraries. Linux handle millions of threads efficiently, you just need userspace that actually uses threads. GTK/QT and X.org just doesn't.
It's funny to hear beos fans talk about this, even beos was not 100% "multithreaded", using a beos app wouldn't actually saturate all cpus in your system, it'd just use it a little. I've tried, I tried beos on my smp machine and cpu hungry applications would fully use the first cpu, but less than half of the capacity of the second CPU. I suspect that BeOS in a quad machine will result in most of the cpus not being used anyway. BeOS has the same problems than Linux, Windows and Apple in this area, they just were ahead.
X was multithreaded once, for a paper about how much you could gain from multithreading X. It looks like you didn't gain almost anything from multithreading. Of course, that was a lot of years ago - today it may very well have a lot of sense.
It looks like most of people in the kernel considers CFS a cleaner "fair scheduler" than Con's implementation. If Ingo changed his opinion and the communication between people was not good, that's a completely different issue, but it's not that people has not considered Con's scheduler for inclusion in the kernel.
smbfs has been dead for a long time. cifs is the replacement.
The GPLv2 does not state that you have to become a slave of rms and follow him in all things, and agree with him. Really. You must have read some other (perhaps unreleased early draft?) version. -- Linus Torvalds
SELinux is an implementation of what everybody - Solaris 10, Windows Vista's protected IE7, Free BSDs- are doing. It's not something from the 80's - in fact it's more like an idea from the 60's that didn't get copied into unix from the start; like ACLs
I thought Linus said Linux wouldn't be distributed under GPLv3
Tht's what he said with previous drafts of the GPL. But he is pretty pleased with the last GPL3, and he has said that he's not so much against relicensing the kernel under the GPL3, altough it's so hard that it may be technically unfeasible
It's actually quite incredible what some conspiracy loons believe about 9/11
You should check the investigations about the 11M bombing in Madrid, it's basically the same conspiracy loons but applied to our country. There's a buch of people who thinks that the (current) socialist government prepared the bombings with colaboration from ETA (a basque terrorist/separatist group, kinda like the IRA) to take the PP (conservatives) off from the government. IOW, the current government would have killed 192 people to make the whole country look like this bombing was a punishment because of the support to the Irak war (Spain supported the Iraq war despite of opossition of +90% of population, including government voters). Then, it make everybody, including police, believe that this was an islamist attack. They say that the current government is "hiding the truth".
The difference from your conspiracy loons to ours is that because our country is a joke, the conspiracy loons get more media coverage. The conspiracy theories were started in "El Mundo", the second most read national newspaper, which supports conservative ideology. The second most listened radio of the country, "Cadena Cope", also conservative (in fact is owned by the "spanish episcopal conference") also supports the conspiracy theories, etc. Even the previous gobernment party partially supports them and sometimes talk about in the congress. Sight:(
C'mon what are we talking about here, a few minutes? AFAIK, better power savings comes through a good acpi config, which I don't see a whole lot of discussion on.
Do you even know what ACPI is? Have you read the link? (clearly not)
No matter how well your "acpi config" is done, if you've a process eating 100% of the cpu power all the time, your batteries will last less than a compuer with no ACPI that it's doing nothing.
IOW, even when your "acpi config" is good, you can save a lot of power. Not minutes, but even hours. How, is detailed in the article.
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Let me extend the idea: What is opensolaris good for, if the software I'm going to run is jus the same I run in linux? mysql - gnome - x.org....
Linux performs qually well if not better than opensolaris, so there's just not incentive to switch to opensolaris...
....why?
Just curious, it has been many years since freebsd offered me performance advantages than linux. These days it's pretty much the contrary, the last time I tried the supposedly SMP-optimized newest versions of freebsd, the system would fall into the FreeBSD's Big Giant Lock doing some simple dist tasks in a 2-CPU machine. And when I want a BSDish unix OS I've opensolaris....
Because this patch is just an improvement over CFS, and should either merged in mainline's CFS or completely rejected?
My motherboard (with nVidia chipset) was $80 cheaper than their P5B Deluxe.
Well, you just choosed a nvidia chipset over a Intel chipset. If you choose price over quality, of course your system is going to be cheaper and you'll have more money to waste on ram. Me, I'd never bought a motherboard with a nvidia chipset.
And then, you choosed a somewhat-old-and-cheap AMD CPU over a recently-released-and-expensive Intel CPU. You could have bought a cheaper Intel CPU aswell, mind you.
There's no proper translation for terms like "nerd" or "geek" in spanish
Er..."friqui" (probably an adaptation from the english 'freaky') it's a good substitute IMO.
It must be noticed that there're some regions in Spain where people also exchanges the 's' for 'c' just as they do in Mexico (mainly in Canary islands and the south, Andalucia - pronounced 'Andalusia' in Mexico :). So It's not a issue, everybody in Spain is used to it, and Mexicans understand us aswell.
The problem is wether the vmware software is "derivated works" or not from the linux GPL code.
Some people thinks that any code that gets inserted via insmod is "derivated works" from Linux. Other people thinks that if you port a windows driver to Linux, it's not "derivated works", since it's derivated from windows. Some lawyers think many other (and different) things.
It pretty much depends on what you understand by "derivated work". This is by far the biggest error in the GPLv2 - it's just not very clear on what it means.
So what? Who cares? Forcing people to GPL all the code which uses functionality "derived" from GPL code is a feature of the GPL.
I very much doubt that there're many bussiness building linux products that don't know this. Do you really think Vmware doesn't knows about this?
It depends on wether you want to learn a real OS and write real drivers or a toy OS with toy drivers.
...and he's also one of the most important FreeBSD hackers.
mount -o remount,noatime /
It's just not practical to keep stuffing more features into a monolithic kernel if you're not constantly getting more and more memory to run it on, and only a very small body of users can be expected to ever compile their own
You don't need to recompile anything to use a monolitic kernel. Also, a microkernel is not neccesarily able to add features without recompiling.
When are microkernel zealots going to get that modularity is NOT EXCLUSIVE TO MICROKERNELS? Sight....modularity is a property of software, be it a "microkernel", a macrokernel or whatever. The Linux kernel is very well modularized -more than any microkernel in some areas-, and that's pretty much the reason why monolithic kernels like linux can and will survive.
E17 doesn't needs "more devs". E17 needs to:
- Release SOMETHING, even if it's incomplete, because if you try to be perfect you won't never have a product. Releasing "incomplete" products allows you to attract people and then have more programming resources. The KDE guys are not going to include some of the promises of KDE 4.0 until 4.1 which means that KDE 4.0 will be incomplete.....AND WHO CARES? E17 did beat Mac OS X and Vista in some fields before Vista was released, but since they don't release anything, now vista and mac os x have released infrastructure to do what E did before them, now E looks like they're catching up, and in some sense it's true.
- Realize that enlightenment only has sense if you aim to be a full desktop, not just a "desktop shell". I like enlightenment, but then those guys say that E17 "will not compete with GNOME or KD"E....so I keep using GNOME/KDE. They aren't so good in the graphic field as E, but since they are the ones that are desktops, it only has sense to improve and support those, not the one that is not aiming to bring good linux desktops to the masses. Technology itself is cool, but if you don't make it have real-world applications then I don't care.
Who needs to catch up... KDE or Gnome?
Both.
Thank Gawd Linux isn't using any relic of an OS that started in the 1970's as its base! No, no, all 100% 21st clean legacy-free implementation there.
And BeOS is not very different in this area. The basic ideas that linux implements are the same used in windows or beos.
As many people has already said here, the smp-friendliness of beos cames from the threading of all the userspace libraries. Linux handle millions of threads efficiently, you just need userspace that actually uses threads. GTK/QT and X.org just doesn't.
It's funny to hear beos fans talk about this, even beos was not 100% "multithreaded", using a beos app wouldn't actually saturate all cpus in your system, it'd just use it a little. I've tried, I tried beos on my smp machine and cpu hungry applications would fully use the first cpu, but less than half of the capacity of the second CPU. I suspect that BeOS in a quad machine will result in most of the cpus not being used anyway. BeOS has the same problems than Linux, Windows and Apple in this area, they just were ahead.
X was multithreaded once, for a paper about how much you could gain from multithreading X. It looks like you didn't gain almost anything from multithreading. Of course, that was a lot of years ago - today it may very well have a lot of sense.
It looks like most of people in the kernel considers CFS a cleaner "fair scheduler" than Con's implementation. If Ingo changed his opinion and the communication between people was not good, that's a completely different issue, but it's not that people has not considered Con's scheduler for inclusion in the kernel.
smbfs has been dead for a long time. cifs is the replacement.
The GPLv2 does not state that you have to become a slave of rms and follow him in all things, and agree with him. Really. You must have read some other (perhaps unreleased early draft?) version. -- Linus Torvalds
SELinux is an implementation of what everybody - Solaris 10, Windows Vista's protected IE7, Free BSDs- are doing. It's not something from the 80's - in fact it's more like an idea from the 60's that didn't get copied into unix from the start; like ACLs
I thought Linus said Linux wouldn't be distributed under GPLv3
Tht's what he said with previous drafts of the GPL. But he is pretty pleased with the last GPL3, and he has said that he's not so much against relicensing the kernel under the GPL3, altough it's so hard that it may be technically unfeasible
It's actually quite incredible what some conspiracy loons believe about 9/11
:(
You should check the investigations about the 11M bombing in Madrid, it's basically the same conspiracy loons but applied to our country. There's a buch of people who thinks that the (current) socialist government prepared the bombings with colaboration from ETA (a basque terrorist/separatist group, kinda like the IRA) to take the PP (conservatives) off from the government. IOW, the current government would have killed 192 people to make the whole country look like this bombing was a punishment because of the support to the Irak war (Spain supported the Iraq war despite of opossition of +90% of population, including government voters). Then, it make everybody, including police, believe that this was an islamist attack. They say that the current government is "hiding the truth".
The difference from your conspiracy loons to ours is that because our country is a joke, the conspiracy loons get more media coverage. The conspiracy theories were started in "El Mundo", the second most read national newspaper, which supports conservative ideology. The second most listened radio of the country, "Cadena Cope", also conservative (in fact is owned by the "spanish episcopal conference") also supports the conspiracy theories, etc. Even the previous gobernment party partially supports them and sometimes talk about in the congress. Sight
C'mon what are we talking about here, a few minutes? AFAIK, better power savings comes through a good acpi config, which I don't see a whole lot of discussion on.
Do you even know what ACPI is? Have you read the link? (clearly not)
No matter how well your "acpi config" is done, if you've a process eating 100% of the cpu power all the time, your batteries will last less than a compuer with no ACPI that it's doing nothing.
IOW, even when your "acpi config" is good, you can save a lot of power. Not minutes, but even hours. How, is detailed in the article.
Most people i know still run 2.4.x and Slackware still ships with 2.4 as default.
Slackware users don't know people. Stop lying! It's just yourself who runs 2.4, right?
Announcing free software drivers for the new Intel 965GM Express Chipset
ATI, NVIDIA: fuck you. Open source graphic drivers are possible, period.
I think it's probably more "your left". I've heard that in France, being called "liberal" is somewhat of a insult.
I can tell you how it compares in my country. In Spain, the left parties think of democrats as a rigth party. Republicans are considered ultra-right.