Interesting that you refer to the Linux community as a 'creator' in the same manner you refer to MS as being one. I don't really think of Linux as having the same style of development, and therefore the same ability to be called a 'creator' as a single entity. So much cross-pollination goes on between the Linux, BSD, Closed Source, and Open Source sectors that it is hard for me to accept this as a rating of 'bug response.'
The most important thing, to me, about Linux's bug response time is that you can do it. So it's not a 'when will you make it happen' thing, it's a 'what are our options on having it happen' thing. Self-reliance is quite important, no matter how unprofitable it is in certain situations.
I hate to put it this way, but since wi-fi works in circles (mapped out in hexes, for ease of use) the patchwork nature of some suburban areas leads to problems with the actual cost-benefit.
If you take a look at the east side all the way out to 185th, and west side up to approximately 30th, though, you've got an incredibly dense area. The radius of this area is the important part. You wouldn't need to try and go out into the more open spaces in Hillsboro or so on - you just do a pilot and as part of the permitting process for a big urban redevelopment like the Pearl you start laying network cable and sending up antennae. If you do multiple things at once, you reduce the overall cost.
Unfortunately, government isn't as 100% effective as it could be in making these decisions.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to put up suburban area WiFi, I'm saying that because of population density it is more effective (theoretically, this is again a problem because it's more expensive on an exponential scale to construct inside of larger cities) per person to put up WiFi where there are a lot of people within a particular radius rather than in individual developments.
That cost is very location specific. Your table isn't as good as it could be because by simply using that per-16-sq-mile avg, you aren't including things like how expensive it is to do construction in downtown New York or San Fran as compared to a city built with more space in mind such as Omaha. Less dense areas will be easier to construct in.
Additionally, living in the Portland / Vancouver area, I have to say that there is a point where you could stop expanding the wi-fi area. Pop. Density is not uniform throughout the entire metropolitan area - it frays quite a bit around the edges. For downtown renewal projects, it would be much less costly to include the public wi-fi in the cost of overall development, etc. Just in general, while your cost graph is a good idea, it's harder to implement than just using an average.
Dan Rather is one thing, Bush is another. If a blog had discredited Bush to that extent, it would either a: be discredited as 'just a blog' or b: be silenced / discredited rather quickly. It took YEARS for the memo from Britain to get around.
The printing press was working in a vacuum. It made social change because it was completely new when it came to distribuation of information. While it COULD be argued that blogs are the same thing, the main people arguing it would be bloggers. Just because the datalink upstream from individuals is wider doesn't mean the datalink downstream to individuals will get any more varied anytime soon.
I'm sorry, but that's the way it's probably going to be for a while. I'd like to believe in this viewpoint, but I don't.
The most important 'bug' being that they depended upon a small, hired set of people to monitor and upkeep a single page which was going to be high-level traffic and dissent no matter what. If you look at the page from wikipedia about the same thing, you will notice that it has been through 500+ edits. Wikipedia has NOWHERE NEAR the readership the Times does, AND they have a 'user login' based system where reputation means something.
This was a disaster from the get-go, and someone should be fired for blaming it on the software instead of their own bad decision making. They WANTED a blog, not a wiki. A wiki is for information management, and information management takes time.... It's not a commentary system like they wanted.
The American standard of living is changing rapidly, it's just not quite as visible as it could be yet. Right now we're having problems with people in early life not being health insured, next it will be people in middle life not being health-insured, and unable to begin saving for their kids to go to college, last it will be old people without health insurance and young people without education, and uh.... yeah, that's a bad thing. A very bad thing. The US economy and quality of life don't look that bad NOW.....
Interesting point on the second vote. I can't agree, seeing as I believe we're a part of the world, rather than apart from the world. I wish we had the balls to elect someone who wanted to mend our fences rather than running around shooting all the neighbors for having belligerent cows.
Stopped at Cryptonomicon. 1200 pages to get to the end and.... ugh. As far as I can tell, science fiction authors tend to go up and up until they start writing a series and depending on that, then they write a few good books in the series and eventually are producing nothing but the 7th book of drivel following the first three of good stuff. Rooting for him, but still pissed about his main characters having the brilliant idea of melting a vault full of diamonds and gold into slag. Gold tends to be heavy, and go DOOOOWN, thank you.
I said "Ultra-Nixon" and was speaking more along the lines of politically culturalized lockdown and disinformation.
Not to malign Nixon, but he was a crook and dictatorial. Anyone who manages to become President SHOULD be able to manage an array of good things. Look at Bush - he's convinced the world that when you piss off America, they get crazy enough to RE-ELECT someone like him.
Meh. It's still stable enough in comparison to a large number of things. Nowhere near as bad as the future in the 'Parable of Talents' series, most of Ellison's work, or a number of others I could name.
It's sad to see Stephenson become a doom-and-gloom guy. I mean, his early work was incredible. Most of the people I know who have read Snow Crash have always wanted, someday, to become a Deliverator.
Unfortunately, as bright as he is, he seems to have gotten this ugly little short-term political edge that has suddenly given me a nervous tic. Science fiction authors always have been futurists, but normally they're quite the idealists. This new generation of more hardcore dystopians is, well, depressing... They don't seem to realise that the pendulum swings, and right now we're in an ultra-Nixon era.
The slow, painful degredation of America that he sees is partially true. Unfortunately. But he's looking at the wrong things - this crass capitalism, the powerful and elite and supposed drivers of our economy and lives, and the people that are trying to look like them despite being too young who will eventually be good drones. That's the Baby Boomers of his generation, and their yuppie followers. The flipside of the coin has content. The flipside of the coin is the people who have grown up inundated with information and are slowly coming to the point where they are able to condense it. The best people of my generation, 'gen Y' aren't empowered yet. They're the ones doing community building projects, watching over teens in crisis, helping deranged children get over what they can, building a little bit here and there of themselves, trying out new things still. And while they may be completely disenfranchised at the moment, they're the people who both have my respect and will eventually come into the knowledge that they need some recognition and power to get what they need done done.
It's just a matter of time, as far as I can tell. Stephenson seems to have gotten caught up in the fact that the 'two Americas' crap is everywhere, and media is slowly getting crushed into Cheetos branded baby food. On the surface. But under that is the subcurrent of people slowly coming to their own.
He's right about the new Star Wars sucking, though. You need to have watched all this other stuff for it to be even mildly interesting, and I didn't so I wasn't really. The first movie was made to be a standalone, and the sixth (this one) was made to be a tie-in... There's nothing WRONG with that, as far as I'm concerned - Stephenson seems to forget that meetings with Powerpoints mean nothing but blanket summary to 90% of the people in them, and that last 10% that's really interested will go find out the information they need offline... I saw Revenge and decided it might be worth the effort of seeing the cartoons, but probably not, so I shrugged and went back to playing Galaxies. Suck me in one way, if you can't another, I guess.
This isn't an issue of the resources not really being there. It's more an issue of the free market having gone awry, and needing a correction which our country is apparently unable to accomplish.
Yeah, but these files have to be different in a rather uniform way. Is there the possibility that someone (bram) will figure out a way to either filter malicious content or clean it out on load?
They plan on employing all those people in all those labs. They just figure that there will be massive inefficiency (and they're probably right, seeing as they saw the problem years back, apparently) if they don't manage it in a way that mimics open source. It's not a complete open sourcing of all IBM's applications he mentions. In fact, he seems to refer to it in terms of open-sourcing the codebase within the company, rather than open-sourcing to everyone. I have read somewhere around here that the same kind of thing goes on at Google.
Heh. Isn't IBM just practicing to become a fully consultant-based company there? That seems to be their plan:
1. make the best software in the world using whatever tools are at hand
2. open source it, (automatic, considering how 1 would have to be done)
3. and support it. (of course, this is where 'profit' would normally go, but yeeah.)
Looks like a better plan to me than other stuff.
Just thought I'd summarize, 'cause you didn't read the whole article.:P
Och, ye low uID, speak inna toong I can understan', willya? Must ah' go tae wikipaedya to fahnd oot waht tha heck a Kookoo mat is? Wah wud ah use a cocoa mat insteed oaf a regular copper cooling mechanism like that guy did?
Sorry, but the brogue is annoying to write in.... What's special about cocoa mats? I mean, it's not like you're going to heat up a big enough reservoir that quickly if it's in the basement, and the evaporation done by a cocoa mat would be a bit of a pain in a closed environment, right? I mean, if you closed the tubing completely you'd end up not having to put as much power into the 12v pump, and there wouldn't be any evaporation at all. In fact, you'd probably be pulling moisture OUT of the air (a good thing if you're hot) and collecting it in a cup somewhere under the fan....
Californians buy our water, we don't mind.
Californians raise our power rates by buying ours, we don't mind.
Californians make more money, we don't mind.
Californians drive up here and buy houses at HUGE prices, we don't mind.
Californians steal our nice Oregon springs leaving us more drenched than usual, we want better environmental laws or blood.
That's exactly what I was thinking. For an extra 20$, I'm sure you could get a bike-pump powered valve that would run the water through the tubing, a lid for the garbage can, and some duct tape to seal the garbage can in the basement so nothing got into it.... Enough extra tubing, and you're going to have a closed loop.... That way you don't even need to fill the garbage can with ice water regularly... You do have to pump up the thing every once in a while, but you never have to suck on the tube....
This is probably MORE expensive due to having to refridgerate the ice and pay for all the water.
Nah. Remember, people change all the time. That's the real reason why there's a 50% divorce rate in the States, not that people have incredibly crappy judgement. People grow, or don't, and want different things. If it's bad judgement, fine. Do it different next time. But if it's just that over time you treated someone so well they got complacent and self-indulgent, and they grew very little to none, well, that's noone's fault really.
Not to be fatalist, but I've seen so many of my own and other people's relationships fall apart or shatter or just fade because of things not under anyone's control... Why take it personally that he didn't grow up?
I swear I was going to get first post on this one, and then decided... "Meh. Do I want first post in an article as blah and predictable as this one?" I just couldn't bear to be marked redundant while writing first post.
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Interesting that you refer to the Linux community as a 'creator' in the same manner you refer to MS as being one. I don't really think of Linux as having the same style of development, and therefore the same ability to be called a 'creator' as a single entity. So much cross-pollination goes on between the Linux, BSD, Closed Source, and Open Source sectors that it is hard for me to accept this as a rating of 'bug response.'
The most important thing, to me, about Linux's bug response time is that you can do it. So it's not a 'when will you make it happen' thing, it's a 'what are our options on having it happen' thing. Self-reliance is quite important, no matter how unprofitable it is in certain situations.
It's no longer better, it's now just as good.
Funny, last month people told me it was better. The only quote in the article talks about linux' advantages. Erm. Something's missing.
The US political system is too corporatized for us to compete on a generalized level anymore.
This is a perfect example. There are quite a few others, if you think about it very hard.
The problem with this is the 'in some areas'....
I hate to put it this way, but since wi-fi works in circles (mapped out in hexes, for ease of use) the patchwork nature of some suburban areas leads to problems with the actual cost-benefit.
If you take a look at the east side all the way out to 185th, and west side up to approximately 30th, though, you've got an incredibly dense area. The radius of this area is the important part. You wouldn't need to try and go out into the more open spaces in Hillsboro or so on - you just do a pilot and as part of the permitting process for a big urban redevelopment like the Pearl you start laying network cable and sending up antennae. If you do multiple things at once, you reduce the overall cost.
Unfortunately, government isn't as 100% effective as it could be in making these decisions.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to put up suburban area WiFi, I'm saying that because of population density it is more effective (theoretically, this is again a problem because it's more expensive on an exponential scale to construct inside of larger cities) per person to put up WiFi where there are a lot of people within a particular radius rather than in individual developments.
That cost is very location specific. Your table isn't as good as it could be because by simply using that per-16-sq-mile avg, you aren't including things like how expensive it is to do construction in downtown New York or San Fran as compared to a city built with more space in mind such as Omaha. Less dense areas will be easier to construct in.
Additionally, living in the Portland / Vancouver area, I have to say that there is a point where you could stop expanding the wi-fi area. Pop. Density is not uniform throughout the entire metropolitan area - it frays quite a bit around the edges. For downtown renewal projects, it would be much less costly to include the public wi-fi in the cost of overall development, etc. Just in general, while your cost graph is a good idea, it's harder to implement than just using an average.
BS.
Dan Rather is one thing, Bush is another. If a blog had discredited Bush to that extent, it would either a: be discredited as 'just a blog' or b: be silenced / discredited rather quickly. It took YEARS for the memo from Britain to get around.
The printing press was working in a vacuum. It made social change because it was completely new when it came to distribuation of information. While it COULD be argued that blogs are the same thing, the main people arguing it would be bloggers. Just because the datalink upstream from individuals is wider doesn't mean the datalink downstream to individuals will get any more varied anytime soon.
I'm sorry, but that's the way it's probably going to be for a while. I'd like to believe in this viewpoint, but I don't.
The most important 'bug' being that they depended upon a small, hired set of people to monitor and upkeep a single page which was going to be high-level traffic and dissent no matter what. If you look at the page from wikipedia about the same thing, you will notice that it has been through 500+ edits. Wikipedia has NOWHERE NEAR the readership the Times does, AND they have a 'user login' based system where reputation means something.
This was a disaster from the get-go, and someone should be fired for blaming it on the software instead of their own bad decision making. They WANTED a blog, not a wiki. A wiki is for information management, and information management takes time.... It's not a commentary system like they wanted.
The American standard of living is changing rapidly, it's just not quite as visible as it could be yet. Right now we're having problems with people in early life not being health insured, next it will be people in middle life not being health-insured, and unable to begin saving for their kids to go to college, last it will be old people without health insurance and young people without education, and uh.... yeah, that's a bad thing. A very bad thing. The US economy and quality of life don't look that bad NOW.....
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Agreed on the boring prick.
Interesting point on the second vote. I can't agree, seeing as I believe we're a part of the world, rather than apart from the world. I wish we had the balls to elect someone who wanted to mend our fences rather than running around shooting all the neighbors for having belligerent cows.
Stopped at Cryptonomicon. 1200 pages to get to the end and.... ugh. As far as I can tell, science fiction authors tend to go up and up until they start writing a series and depending on that, then they write a few good books in the series and eventually are producing nothing but the 7th book of drivel following the first three of good stuff. Rooting for him, but still pissed about his main characters having the brilliant idea of melting a vault full of diamonds and gold into slag. Gold tends to be heavy, and go DOOOOWN, thank you.
I said "Ultra-Nixon" and was speaking more along the lines of politically culturalized lockdown and disinformation.
Not to malign Nixon, but he was a crook and dictatorial. Anyone who manages to become President SHOULD be able to manage an array of good things. Look at Bush - he's convinced the world that when you piss off America, they get crazy enough to RE-ELECT someone like him.
Meh. It's still stable enough in comparison to a large number of things. Nowhere near as bad as the future in the 'Parable of Talents' series, most of Ellison's work, or a number of others I could name.
It's sad to see Stephenson become a doom-and-gloom guy. I mean, his early work was incredible. Most of the people I know who have read Snow Crash have always wanted, someday, to become a Deliverator.
Unfortunately, as bright as he is, he seems to have gotten this ugly little short-term political edge that has suddenly given me a nervous tic. Science fiction authors always have been futurists, but normally they're quite the idealists. This new generation of more hardcore dystopians is, well, depressing... They don't seem to realise that the pendulum swings, and right now we're in an ultra-Nixon era.
The slow, painful degredation of America that he sees is partially true. Unfortunately. But he's looking at the wrong things - this crass capitalism, the powerful and elite and supposed drivers of our economy and lives, and the people that are trying to look like them despite being too young who will eventually be good drones. That's the Baby Boomers of his generation, and their yuppie followers. The flipside of the coin has content. The flipside of the coin is the people who have grown up inundated with information and are slowly coming to the point where they are able to condense it. The best people of my generation, 'gen Y' aren't empowered yet. They're the ones doing community building projects, watching over teens in crisis, helping deranged children get over what they can, building a little bit here and there of themselves, trying out new things still. And while they may be completely disenfranchised at the moment, they're the people who both have my respect and will eventually come into the knowledge that they need some recognition and power to get what they need done done.
It's just a matter of time, as far as I can tell. Stephenson seems to have gotten caught up in the fact that the 'two Americas' crap is everywhere, and media is slowly getting crushed into Cheetos branded baby food. On the surface. But under that is the subcurrent of people slowly coming to their own.
He's right about the new Star Wars sucking, though. You need to have watched all this other stuff for it to be even mildly interesting, and I didn't so I wasn't really. The first movie was made to be a standalone, and the sixth (this one) was made to be a tie-in... There's nothing WRONG with that, as far as I'm concerned - Stephenson seems to forget that meetings with Powerpoints mean nothing but blanket summary to 90% of the people in them, and that last 10% that's really interested will go find out the information they need offline... I saw Revenge and decided it might be worth the effort of seeing the cartoons, but probably not, so I shrugged and went back to playing Galaxies. Suck me in one way, if you can't another, I guess.
Microsoft: How many times have you seen it today?
You'd think they'd have some shame rather than pride about bugs crushing their entire OS at once.
Viva la corrupcion!
This isn't an issue of the resources not really being there. It's more an issue of the free market having gone awry, and needing a correction which our country is apparently unable to accomplish.
Yeah, but these files have to be different in a rather uniform way. Is there the possibility that someone (bram) will figure out a way to either filter malicious content or clean it out on load?
They plan on employing all those people in all those labs. They just figure that there will be massive inefficiency (and they're probably right, seeing as they saw the problem years back, apparently) if they don't manage it in a way that mimics open source. It's not a complete open sourcing of all IBM's applications he mentions. In fact, he seems to refer to it in terms of open-sourcing the codebase within the company, rather than open-sourcing to everyone. I have read somewhere around here that the same kind of thing goes on at Google.
Heh. Isn't IBM just practicing to become a fully consultant-based company there? That seems to be their plan:
:P
1. make the best software in the world using whatever tools are at hand
2. open source it, (automatic, considering how 1 would have to be done)
3. and support it. (of course, this is where 'profit' would normally go, but yeeah.)
Looks like a better plan to me than other stuff.
Just thought I'd summarize, 'cause you didn't read the whole article.
Och, ye low uID, speak inna toong I can understan', willya? Must ah' go tae wikipaedya to fahnd oot waht tha heck a Kookoo mat is? Wah wud ah use a cocoa mat insteed oaf a regular copper cooling mechanism like that guy did?
Sorry, but the brogue is annoying to write in.... What's special about cocoa mats? I mean, it's not like you're going to heat up a big enough reservoir that quickly if it's in the basement, and the evaporation done by a cocoa mat would be a bit of a pain in a closed environment, right? I mean, if you closed the tubing completely you'd end up not having to put as much power into the 12v pump, and there wouldn't be any evaporation at all. In fact, you'd probably be pulling moisture OUT of the air (a good thing if you're hot) and collecting it in a cup somewhere under the fan....
Californians buy our water, we don't mind.
Californians raise our power rates by buying ours, we don't mind.
Californians make more money, we don't mind.
Californians drive up here and buy houses at HUGE prices, we don't mind.
Californians steal our nice Oregon springs leaving us more drenched than usual, we want better environmental laws or blood.
That's exactly what I was thinking. For an extra 20$, I'm sure you could get a bike-pump powered valve that would run the water through the tubing, a lid for the garbage can, and some duct tape to seal the garbage can in the basement so nothing got into it.... Enough extra tubing, and you're going to have a closed loop.... That way you don't even need to fill the garbage can with ice water regularly... You do have to pump up the thing every once in a while, but you never have to suck on the tube....
This is probably MORE expensive due to having to refridgerate the ice and pay for all the water.
Nah. Remember, people change all the time. That's the real reason why there's a 50% divorce rate in the States, not that people have incredibly crappy judgement. People grow, or don't, and want different things. If it's bad judgement, fine. Do it different next time. But if it's just that over time you treated someone so well they got complacent and self-indulgent, and they grew very little to none, well, that's noone's fault really.
Not to be fatalist, but I've seen so many of my own and other people's relationships fall apart or shatter or just fade because of things not under anyone's control... Why take it personally that he didn't grow up?
lol. GENIUS, i tell you, GENIUS :P
I swear I was going to get first post on this one, and then decided... "Meh. Do I want first post in an article as blah and predictable as this one?" I just couldn't bear to be marked redundant while writing first post.