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Nerds Make Better Lovers
ultimabaka writes "The New York Daily News, fine bastion of reporting that it is, released an article today discussing the rise of nerd popularity among women in general, and famous women in particular. Detail is given into the dating exploits of Christina Aguilera and Elin Nordegren (nerdy Tiger Woods' supermodel squeeze), among a bunch of regular Janes. Apparently being a nerd is now in?"
Of course we're better lovers.. it's because (among other things):
:-D
- we don't sleep around
- we're generally good at the things we try
- we can concentrate, dammit!
- we have *excellent* finger dexterity
- and most importantly, we have imagination!
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The day is mine!
Game... blouses.
Darn, and I just got a castration. In a few months I'll get a nullification where they remove everything else and just leave a small hole to pee from. But I will not become a woman. I will become asexual. My excitement will come from learning science instead of porn.
Well, I can still certainly be a good lover--my tounge will still be intact! My fellow nerds--try it out. You can get Androcur over the internet--this gives the same effect as castration, yet is reversible. I took it for a few months before I decided to go through with the castration. Order the pills--and some books on math and science!
Transcend Humanity. Please.
_rich_ nerds make better "lovers"
Kiss me, I'm a nerd.
So being a rich, well-televised sports figure now makes you a nerd? Interesting.
Sure, they figure it out now that I'm married and totally committed, but noooooo, 15 years ago when I was 18 and single no one figured it out.
It sucks to be a trailblazer sometimes. You young nerds got it easy. Back in my day a cute girlfriend was GIF pr0n & a bottle of lotion.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
After years of hiding my computer literacy, learning to be sensistive, eye surgery to remove the glasses and working out six days a week I learn that I should have perfected my C++ programming instead to get the babes!!!
So long and thanks for all the fish . . . !!!
Of course nerds make better lovers. It took us so long to get the first lover, that we have to go all out cause we don't know if a second will ever come along. :) --(sorry, stupid smiley)
"Plans are for fools! Oglethorpe, the plutonian (Aqua Teen Hunger Force)
Only a geek knows how to fsck well.
- Just because we CAN do a thing, does not mean we SHOULD do that thing.
rich nerds are now in.
R.I.P.
2000 years on, and it finally comes true.
How is Tiger Woods a nerd? He's a sports star!
OK, I really don't think that Tiger Woods (or any of the other guys mentioned in the article) fit the definition of 'nerd' the way we use it around here on /.
Super-rich athlete*, yes. Nerd, no.
*Are golfers athletes? You decide.
Saturday, May 21st 2005
Saw him in the evening and he was acting really strangely. I went shopping in the afternoon with the girls and I did turn up a bit late so thought it might be that. The bar was really crowded and loud so I suggested we go somewhere quieter to talk. He was still very subdued and distracted so I suggested we go somewhere nice to eat. All through dinner he just didn't seem himself; he hardly laughed and didn't seem to be paying any attention to me or to what I was saying. I just knew that something was wrong. He dropped me back home and I wondered if he was going to come in; he hesitated but followed. I asked him again if there was something the matter but he just half shook his head and turned the television on. After about 10 minutes of Silence, I said I was going upstairs to bed. I put my arms around him and told him that I loved him deeply. He just gave a sigh and a sad sort of smile. He didn't follow me up but later he did, and I was surprised when we made love. He still seemed distant and a bit cold, and I started to think that he was going to leave me and that he had found someone else. I cried myself to sleep.
MAN'S DIARY:
Saturday, May 21st 2005
Apple switched to Intel.
Absolutely gutted.
Got a shag though.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
They have no reservations about coming out and saying that it's money that attracts women to geeks and nerds. Thanks for that tidbit of several thousand year old news.
~Someday, I hope to be an aspiring author.
In the short term, nerds are obviously better lovers because they haven't gotten any their whole life, so they are making up for lost opportunities.
In the long term I would suspect that they would be more loyal to their lovers than non-nerds because they know that the chances of them getting any more from someone else are less than average.
.....one day.....
Just because nerd popularity among women in general is rising does not mean you should stop showering. In fact, you should probably do it more.
And change your shirt.
Women love nerds (apparently) but no one likes a dirty nerd.
-Teiresias
It's the exception rather than the rule to have a partner in the loving.
Of course we're better lovers.. it's because (among other things):
/. nerds expect their women (or men) to be, uh, open source (fill in your own version of the gpl here).
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Girls wearing "I love dorks" shirts. Annoying, and not necessarily a new fad(although it IS a fad). Now, most everyone I know is claiming their dorkishness. For the first time in its history, there are dork poseurs. We have inherited the problem of the punk rockers and goths before us.
I always thought http://users.ox.ac.uk/~scat1312/geek.html/ sums it up rather well.
Are these women mostly nerds as well?
I don't know if I'd label the examples used in the Article as 'Nerds' per say. David Arquette, Tiger Woods, and Adam Brody aren't probably coding some new linux module. Besides, they aren't really 'nerds' or 'geeks' anyway. If Christina Aguilera was hooking up with say, Richard Stallman, then yeah maybe I'd consider this a valid point. It seems as though instead of being a nerd, the image of being slightly geeky is considered in style.
Sure, a lot of people will look at this and say "nerds... they'll have no experience" and stop there.
But I think the important thing to note is that most nerds are in my experience, a lot less selfish than the average person in their community. And selfishness in bed is _bad_.
The same lack of selfishness also explains open source software, free SF fanzines, and a whole wide range of nerdy behaviour.
Apparently being a nerd is now in?
Let me check my messages.....
0. Nope, still the status quo here!
Bryan R.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
They might make better lovers for a while, but the chick will leave for a badass.
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Her: Make love to me! Him: Sorry I gotta configure my kernel and then recompile it with -O3. Her: Baby you drive me wild. *jumps on him*
Maybe Dilbert's ill fated office romance can now be released to the public!
-- dK
the /. is going to have a field day with this one
Only in NY Daily News' bizzaro world would a 6'2" guy with rippling muscles, can hit a ball 350 yards with a driver, has WORLD-CLASS hand-eye-coordination, and was routinely named as the MOST AVAILABLE BACHELOR IN THE WORLD (before he got married) would be described as "nerdy".
Yeah, and I hear Brad Pitt is practically a hermit.
Revenge of the Nerds:
Louis: Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex.
Being a nerd will never be "in"... However, being a nerd with lots money will ALWAYS be in.
Bravery?
Transcend Humanity. Please.
since when are fashion consultants and actors considered nerds?
Ever since I saw Revenge of the Nerds (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/) in 4th grade, I knew this to be true.
However, now that I'm at the age where this could come in handy, I feel strangely misled...
...when the Nerds have the dough-re-mi.
Besides, a top pro athlete (okay, it's golf, but you get my point) and a young top record exec are hardly the classic definitions of 'nerd.'
When the Number 3 Guy in something like the Free Software Foundation -- you know, the under-paid smart one who does all the real work -- bags a supermodel, call me.
I'm not sure what planet has nerd criteria that Tiger fits into, but I know I don't want to go there.
If he's now a nerd, what possible hope do *I* have left?
GTRacer
- Prefers "geek", actually
Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
"All jocks think about is sports. All nerds think about is sex." -Revenge of the Nerds
"Nature bats last..."
Of course we do. My girlfriend has known that for months ;)
Hades, PoD: Official Advocate
Slashdot is kind of like Playboy; we aren't here to read the articles.
And as my current GF has found out good nerds make a good salary.
Additionally, we can usually upgrade their computer systems with our useless "old and obsolete", which is generally still better than the standard.
wasnt this all explained to betty chiulds on the moon bounce a long long time ago?
can anyone say HOTel cORAL esSEX?
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
The article sucks. People are not so easily pigeonholed. If someone likes to watch the Sci-Fi channel, they are branded a 'geek'? What ever happened to shades of grey?
...Mom not right now! I am writing a story to the NYTimes to get some really l337 girls to talk to me and my uber clan! ...
Natalie Portman
This is a generalization based upon my experiences with friends who are also female. All of them, when they were younger, dated men who were just awful, useless individuals. They all gave the same reason for it also- so that they would be able to appreciate "Mr. Right" when they found him. Granted I think logic like that's just stupid, but there you go. The offshoot is that by the time a woman is ready to settle down with a guy, she's looking for the traits that nerds have; stable, monogomous, dedicated, etc. Even though the nerds are rewarded in the end, its still going to be the same useless men who get all the women in high school and college.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
This is a surprise to anyone?
I mean, come on. We've got Sex Geeks the world over; nerds who put some of that single-minded focus into reading about, and learning about, how to be better lovers. And not just sexually, but emotionally and mentally.
We've always been there, quiet, under the radar, and making beautiful and long-term relationships work. And ones that were not only working, but hella sexy too.
"To pass through the jungle; silence, courtesy, ferocity, as the occasion demands." -- Kamau, "Proper Passage"
The article dodges around the edge of semantics and what are the true characteristics of a nerd. It seems to pick and choose the best attributes. Shit I could write a similar article on "Serial Killers make better lovers".
When it comes down to it women will like athletic aggressive guys. It's evolutionary psychology. The latest cultural fad of nerdiness isn't going to replace millions of years of neural hardwiring.
meh! You had it easy! We had ASCII art & a bag of sawdust!
In this classic (cough!) film the nerd 'hero' sleeps with the cheerleader heroine (he is in disguise as 'Darth Vader'), satisfying her mightily. She then discovers his identity, and asks how he can be such a fantastic lover, and he reveals the secret: "We nerds never have girlfriends, so all we do is think about sex." After all, it has been proven by science (scientists are nerds, remember) that the brain is the most important sexual organ. It has also recently been proven (again, by nerd scientists who sit at their computers all day) that just THINKING about exercising is almost as effective at increasing strength as actually exercising. Therefore, it makes sense that just thinking about sex must make you better at it.
Serving your airship needs since 1995.
if now the jocks will try to emulate us?
Well that was a nice "fluff" piece (badda bing). But really a worthless article.
So, what did we learn.
- It's good to be rich!
- If you want to bag the biggies (in name), then you have to be able to hang out with them (i.e. be rich, a star, both)
- It's good to be rich!
- "Babes" don't necessarily go for "hunks", esp if their Rich!
The adrenals produce some testosterone. But I don't have any plans to take those out, or to get a lobotomy. There are people who have had nullifications done. It's a viable option.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
"Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex."
-Lewis 'Revenge of the Nerds'
Technoli
Gold-diggin' bitches!
I must have missed the part where he taped his glasses together. What makes him a geek?
I don't think geeks are becoming more popular. I think we're just expanding the definition of "geek" until just about anyone can qualify. You wear glasses? You're in! Own a computer? Woah, how geeky! Damn, *and* a PDA??? You must be the ubergeek!
Seriously... being smart and tech savvy isn't enough to qualify for geek status any more. We need to raise the bar.
It's the land of the brave, and the home of the free
Where the less you know, the better off you'll be.
They wont flock to your parent's basement. You need to go out and meet them halfway. Scary...I don't think I can leave the gree glow of /. long enough to meet a girl.
ok, that's 7
I'm glad their evidence is the set of Tiger Woods, Adam Brody, and David Arquette all whom are rich, famous, and celebrities in professional golf, television and movies. Ok, so they might not be stepping off a yacht in bespoke suits but really... this is what a geek is now? The day one of them obsesses openly about the GPL I might consider this anything but fluff... and probably one of those marketing hits for the website pimped in the article. Chicks ain't swooning en masse over your DIY distro of Linux yet.
What is music when you despise all sound?
Ok, we've got thousands of desperate and dateless geeks here. We're always complaining about the way corporate America manipulates public opinion through advertising and devious PR. And as a group we've proved the ability to raise millions of dollars for geek causes.
Anyone see where I'm going with this?
And can anyone suggeest a national PR firm that accepts PayPal?
Maybe we should poll them instead of reading what some news paper writes. AS a nerd with exceptional nerdness, I'll go ahead and screan the women slashdot readers for the poll. ;-)
(Am I the only one with trouble reading those damn pictures of letters that check to see if I'm human?)
Frankly I still procrastinate with the damn best of them! As a eunuch I can still even masturbate, although the urge is quite reduced.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
"Of course nerds are better lovers than jocks. Jocks think about sports all day while nerds think about sex all day"
Ok ok, its not an exact quote but I am at work and can't excatly go googling for the line!
Honor is like virtue, if you must tell people that you have it then chances are you don't.
You know, the OPPOSITE of a nerd?
Christina Aguilera is a nerd?!
"Nae Kin! Nae Quin! Nae laird! Nae master! We willna be fooled again!"
In your email.. in your network... and now girls! 3d ones.. no more with second name: jpg
i have found, you can find,happiness in slavery!
Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex.
--Lewis, Revenge of the Nerds
tell that to the guys in Akihabara.
This has got to be the dumbest thing ever. I love how every example is also filthy stinking rich. Next time I see a model hanging on bunch of Warhammer and Magic the Gathering types, I'll admit I'm wrong. Lame!
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I'm not sure if it's his physical appearance as he's been bulking up the past few seasons on SG1 or if it's the sexy eyes behind the glasses or the intellect... hmmm Who the Eh-F cares. I'd let him leave crumbs in my bed.
Geek girl, geek girl, I've often overheard;
People say you're a dweeb, and often a nerd.
But I'm sure you're quite intriguing, I bet oh I bet;
Coding, gaming, and surfing, all over the 'Net.
Geek girl, geek girl, I hope you'll agree;
That we appreciate there are girls out there just like me.
Geek Of The Day, "A geeky place for geeky faces."
There are doctors who will do this without a therapist letter.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
This article is terrible. Maybe it applies to women who have internalized society's own definition of how men and women interact:
.. "Because they are desperate, they will worship you even if you abuse them."
""A nerd is an excellent provider and a guy who puts you first," says E. Jean Carroll, Elle magazine's love and sex advice columnist. "He'll turn out to be a great father and a great husband.""
Do women really want providers? Sounds pretty brainwashed to me.
"And, she insists that a woman who is willing to stick it out with a nerd and get past his quirks will be handsomely rewarded. "Don't give up on him too fast,""
Come on! Does this even remotely smell like independant thought? No. This is a joke. Real, intelligent *people* are attracted to intelligent *people*. I'm not interested in stupid women or stupid men, but intelligent ones can be friends or more.
""And they're pretty faithful people, because they're certainly grateful for anything they have.""
!
What would you rather date, someone who's emotionally well developed and intelligent, or someone who contains more hot air than a balloon?
Nerds, don't be afraid to dump assholes. They're not worth it.
This article is obviously a final, pathetic attempt by a desperate, desperate nerd to get some action swinging his way. Jebus be praised!
I knew it! I was right all along.
Now if only some actual women would heed this....
...but is it art?
I am sure there will be a lot of comments on this article like "Yay! I can get a hottie!" now. However, speaking as a woman who has dated several geeks, I thought I would share a woman's perspective.
1) I can't tell you how many geek guys I know who can't even take care of their most basic personal hygiene needs. You need to shower at least once a day and use deodorant to become reasonably attractive to any woman. No woman is turned on by stinky body odor.
2) Self-confidence is attractive. Unfortunately, many geeks think self-confidence is something for guys who brag about every "conquest" they have. It's not. Self-confidence is simply respect and love for who you are. Love yourself first and good relationships will follow. This is difficult, but it's the key ingredient to any successful relationship. If you know who you are and you love who you are, people will love and respect you that much more.
3) Complaining/whining is not attractive. Some geeks have very bitter personalities and spend a lot of time whining about how the world would be a better place if only this or that. (The most common one I hear is whining about a job they're in.) If you complain, do something about it! Start your own business. Program something better on the side and sell it. Take control of the situation and create something better instead of griping.
4) Being a slave isn't attractive. If you make it clear that you'll do anything for a woman, and grovel for her affection, you're going to end up attracting the wrong type of woman. Any successful relationship is a two-way street. While there's nothing wrong with showing your love and affection, groveling only means you'll get taken advantage of and perhaps become bitter about (see #3.)
5) Lead a balanced life. No one is less attractive than someone who sits on a computer all day and never gets out of the house. Plus, it doesn't make for a healthy life of your own (I should know; I work from home and often spend 12-16 hours a day in front of the computer.) Get out there, meet people, and have fun. It will make you feel better about yourself to have a good group of friends around, as well.
I have been in several great relationships with geeky guys. I find the most successful relationships I have are with guys who already have a decent level of self-confidence and several friends who respect and love them. They may be interested in computers, but they are also interested in having fun and getting out of the house on a regular basis. Take this guide to heart and you can have a good relationship with the right woman as well.
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Like everyone else here, I don't think these guys are nerds, maybe a little geeky looking or maybe dorks(Tiger Woods is totally a dork), but not nerds. Geeky has been in for a while and money is always is in.
Thus, we can conclude that IT security at the New York Daily News is lax and some "nerd" has figured out a way to post prank stories. Expect a deluge of stories about the Duke Nukem Forever release party.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
Geek: Did you spend an unforgettable night with a nerd at Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con in 2004?
Woman: I did!
Geek: Was he dressed as a wookie?
Woman: He was!
Geek: And was he a gentle caring lover?
Woman: Yes!
Geek: He was? Sorry I bothered you.
Internet Porn.
We already know what works and what doesnt.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Thank you, sweet zombie Jesus!
Did you know that "FTW" ("for the win") is a direct translation of "Sieg Heil"?
this study has, since it was conducted on an empty sample ;)
I think that this is a new meme.
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Ashton Kutcher (of MTV's "Punked") is producing Beauty and the Geek on the WB http://www.thewb.com/Shows/GenericShow/0,11116,22
I've enjoyed watching the geeks - learn to dance, get a massage, etc. And they're not viewd as pathetic boors - the girls (cute girls!) are learning to like them. too.
We are certain to have the biggest hard drives, and the longest uptime.
Next they will be calling MJ or Lebron James a Geek.. Jeez...
Ohhh that Brett Farve is such a geek because all he does is sit around and study Game film.
whatever..
So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.
This article said "nerd popularity"!
He says: "The only thing jocks think about is sports. The only thing nerds think about is sex". Love that movie.
When I was growing up I always knew I was smarter, faster and in general stronger than most boys. Of course, once I became sexually active, I was surprised to find that I also outlasted every guy I fooled around with. Smart guys are attractive, not just for their smarts though. They also tend to be pretty good lovers and put my pleasure first. This is the way it should be. :D
I did date a few more "normal" guys, but they were either boring, stupid or both. They were obsessed with themselves instead of me and they had an unnatural interest in sports that I just couldn't relate to. To be fair, I've also met a few geeks like this and promptly dumped them. But, in general, male geeks tend to submit rather willingly to strong dominant women. This is a very valuable trait and makes them worth their weight in gold.
As women of the world quickly progress towards femdom (yes the practice is growing as more of us realize that we can own the world) the geek will become the more desirable mate as they like dicipline and submission. Just remember to dominate your sub and make him well aware of who the boss is.
For more references on femdom, please check out the following sites:
http://www.femalesuperiority.com/ http://www.scandalouswomen.com/ http://www.cuckyboy.com/
Lorelei Absinthe
Have none of you ever seen this movie? This supposition is eloquently proven in it.
Therefore, it makes sense that just thinking about sex must make you better at it.
Which explains, of course, why my inbox keeps getting filled day-in and day-out with male enhancement solicitations.....
Rule #1 -- Politics always trumps technology.
While they say they wan't a guy who is this and this. Most of the time they say they want a geek. But they don't want a geek from the start. They want to take a looser and slowly turn them into a geek. All the woman I have met have this image in their head of the perfect guy and they will only start falling for geeks after they realize that this guy in their head doesn't exist.
Sure if they fall for a geek they will probably be happer in the long run. Because we tend to have better jobs, Less violent temperments, Be being rejected for over 20 years we take a relationship much more seriously because they are so hard to get.
But I doubt that hot chicks will start knocking at our doors anytime soon. They will do what Woman have been doing for many many years. Dating with all the "Attractive" People. Then they realize that they are jerks then settle with a geek.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
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... they are kind and gentle.
But The fact of the matter remains that girls don't usually want kind and gentle. It's commonly known that they just want some jerk who can take advantage of them, even if most say they want a prince charming, they can't resist the "bad guy". They are tired of people kissing theyr cute asses.
But.. I think that if the geeks really try not to act too outgoing or nice, they can easily get GF's, and then charm them.
And as I kiss your rosy lips My server checks my email And as I lay down by your side My syslog's piped to tail.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
From TFA:
"I think geeks are intelligent enough to be wary of the idea that an attractive woman is interested in them," he said. "They aren't as drawn to beauty as they are to intelligence, and wouldn't just accept a ditz."
Yea, we prefer ugly gold-diggers.
It takes the right kind of girl to love a nerd
Now that's the understatement of the year.
For a modern girl who is far from ditzy, the geek could be the mate who brings security and a load of eclectic interests to the relationship
"Hey babe, wanna see my collection of Linux distros?! I keep them in a rack made from an old 80s Mac case..."
The nerds 'get the girl'--more like they get left holding the bag. After all the outlaw bikers have run up in these chicks for years, the 'nerd' gets left having to spend the rest of his life with these used up broads.
As Kool Keith once said--STEP AWAY FROM THE RAT TRAP!
Fat chicks doesnt count.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
And he'll laugh at you.
:)
Nerds in? Only a nerdy reporter would write such a thing. Poor guy probably hasnt been laid since the Nixon administration and that was only because he jacked off to the words "Deep throat" in the washington post article.
Nerds are not in. Have no fear wealth Americans, Girls still love money above all else. You're exotic 50 car collection is still a chick magnet, and they're still turned on by your ability to fire thousands of Americans and export their jobs to slave labor.
So go forth Nerds, with this silly idea that the Hott women of America want you.... It's certainly not true, but atleast you wont feel like a fucking loser anymore. Although I do
Star Wars movie openings and Trek conventions would be known as hot singles nights.
Dressing up for movie oenings (LotR, SW, ST) would be considered "men in uniform" and be totally irresistable... unless you're Chewbacca.
Hard drive size WOULD matter, not how fragmentented it is.
I would be getting laid.
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
I think it's all a ploy by the NYDN to boost its web stats by stroking the egos of /.'rs :) I'd like to see the reaction of the writer would get if she (says Tracy, so I'm assuming) called Tiger a nerd to his face. I think the common denominator in all of those examples is $$$.
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"All jocks think about it sports. All nerds think about is sex." - Louis Skolnick, Revenge of the Nerds
1. It's not a choice, you can't help who you're attracted to.
2. Being attracted to a "geek" is logical - being attracted to a "stud" is emotional - guess which side rules women more strongly?
3. A friend of my and I both left the same company, some months apart. (She's a gal, I'm a guy). We were in a general discussion about dating, and I asked her who her fellow gals in Marketing were attracted to (I was fishing).
The guys they all wanted were big, stocky, masculine "macho" types. The nerd guys, even the ones I felt were at least OK looking, were NOT on the list...
It'll help if you're well-groomed and charming, but out of shape and ugly is still unattractive. You don't have to be a total jock, but there's a world of difference between fit and out-of-shape. Grooming is much the same- odd looks can be OK, but a ton of zits and greasy hair is never good.
Everyone likes someone who cares enough to at least *try* to present themselves well.
Singularity or not, this is something I have to do for myself.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
It has also recently been proven (again, by nerd scientists who sit at their computers all day) that just THINKING about exercising is almost as effective at increasing strength as actually exercising.
... find a geek girlfriend and make austistic babies.
What? Where is this study? I'm curious because I workout regularly (for the last 10 years) and although I'm in good shape, I never really developed an athletes body. Now, some part of that is surely genetics, but I'm wondering if lack of focus has an effect. I really only think about exercising when I'm actually doing it. As a programmer I am completely focused on that for 99% of the time I am awake. I wonder if the mere fact that I don't (or can't) think about being "big musclely dude" detracts from my potential in that area.
Meh, anyway... Let me tell you guys, you don't want the supermodel girlfriend. I have been down that road many times. Attractive (in the pop-culture sense) women may make good playthings for a while but make horrible long term relationships and even worse wives. I actually prefer to have long term relationships because then I don't want to waste energy thinking about that crap. So I guess
Save one for me though as I'm still trying to find a geek girlfriend.
The ratio of people to cake is too big
Don't blame me, I read it on Slashdot.
Hand eye coordination, concentration, and drive to achieve our goals are all fairly strong geek characteristics.
;-)
If it only wasn't for that big yellow burny thing in the sky... Noooooooooo!
...still waiting for that.
What a shock. I think this years Pulitzer is spoken for!
Plays violent online games as: Nerfherder76
The entire article is something put out by a publicist for the Geek 2 Geek http://www.gk2gk.com/ dating site.
:)
Talks about geeks.. how cool they are. Flashes a few pics of celebrities and gives you a hyperlink in the articles text.
The Geek2Geek site only has 4 geeks looking for love within 1000 miles of me. One Girl and 3 Guys
If this was not a paid placement on slashdot, it should have been.
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so far been able to bore any girl into oblivion. I don't understand what the article is all about. Who knows, maybe there are different kinds of nerds.
This is just a ploy by "the man" to try to prevent a shortage of CS graduates (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/20/06152 25&tid=146&tid=187).
Get yours today! Act now before it's too late!
So um, should we change
"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."
-to-
"News for rich golfers and celebrities. Stuff that matters."
I guess it doesn't matter, either way there'll still be people who make useless posts like this one while work productivity wastes away... =P
I don't care. I'll be forwarding this to all the hot chicks where I work...
I'm extraordinarily attractive, and a genius to boot. The great thing is, I'm not the least bit cocky about it. Women love that.
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Fuck. 10 years too late for *this* nerd... I coulda done with this kinda PR when I was 23!
I didn't regret it once I had my balls taken out. I will not regret it once the rest is cut off either.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
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Forget the whales - save the babies.
I've looked at the bmextreme site and eunuchs.org in the past. I know there are people who do this as well as the whole underground nullo movement. But is there really a Slashdotter who has done this? If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? My assumption is that you are in your 40s. Frankly, I find the idea of being a eunuch or a nullo pretty damn frightening. Some of the stories I've read about guys claiming to have had the ultimate orgasm when they got their balls chopped off have me scratching my head. Did you experience such a thing? Did you do the castration yourself? With a tool? Or did you use the rubber band method? So many questions. You should write a journal entry about it. Hell, I'd add you to my friends list if you did.
It's actually cheetos. While trying to figure out where the Mountain Dew is as you're attacking the darkness with Magic Missle.
Mercy was given to me by Christ...I must give the same to others.
Things to think about once my paladin hits level 60.
"Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex."
--- -a- "I'd love to change the world, but it'd be easier if the universe exposed its API."
I can get a date, I'll just show the girl a print out of the New York Times article, then she can't resist mauauhahahahahahh.
But really they covered that nerds are better lovers in "Revenge of the Nerds."
Its shocking that nobody has brought up Revenge of the Nerds where one of the nerds gets it on with the hot cheerleader who doesn't know it's him because he's got a Darth Vader costume on.
When they're done having sex and he takes off the mask the girl is surprised that nerds are such good lovers. She asks him why and he replies it's because all jocks have on their mind is sports, while all nerds have on their mind is sex.
y0, best lovers are gangsta rappin rich pimpin nerds
personals.slashdot.com anyone?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story is a dupe, the topic is boring, the facts weren't checked. WE GET IT!!
...who notices that the URL implies it's a Generic Show? WE NERDS ARE BEING USED, I tell ya!
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
Now that that's out of the way, I can make a more rational response.
Women are attracted to intelligence and stability? As a femmegeek, I've known this for ages. What irks me about most of the comments is the reversion to early adolescence that marks these discussions. Using the experiences of high school as a benchmark for your entire life seems a really bass-ackwards thing to do. Almost nobody is, as a teenager, self-confident enough to choose a dating partner without regard to what your "friends" might say. And yes; women can be horribly self-absorbed and shallow. Even women who self-identify as "nerdy". Guess what, though: men can too, and in some ways, they can be even worse about it. I have, sadly, dated male geeks who wanted me around because having an attractive female on their arm supposedly raised their status, somehow. Never mind that I was at least as intelligent as they were; they wanted a trophy, and nothing more. However, I've stuck with the high-IQ set, instead of lowering my standards, because I am attracted to intelligence. I think that many, many other women out there are as well, but given the still-prevalent expectation that "girls aren't..." (good at math, interested in science, fill in your stereotype of choice), most women are more than a little reluctant to admit it. The 50s-era maternal admonition of "boys don't like girls who are too smart" still echoes today.
Luckily, I never bought into it. So I sit here, posting on Slashdot, an intelligent, fit, good-looking geek woman, who isn't ashamed to admit the fact. And I think that I speak for a number of my fellow geekettes, gentlemen, when I say that smart is sexy. If you want to engage my hormones, engage my brain first. I'm not going to make hot sweaty snugglebunnies with anyone with whom I can't have a good conversation.
Doing my level best to piss off the religious right wing...
that you don't find someone who appreciates your nerdy qualities, and you fall in love with all your heart, and then marry them after 5 years and then a year later have them cheat on you with the salad maker illegal mexican immigrant from her work. That sucks - so be careful.
I am twenty-eight. I had my castration done by a MD urologist. I will have the nullification done by the same doctor. I can orgasm without balls, but it's not that good.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
Seriously, what is it with women? I tell them I have a 5 1/2" floppy and they can't wait to get me into bed!
First teachers sleeping with their students and now this?! All I gotta say why couldnt all this of been happening when I was growing up!!!!!!!!!
Sure, nerds are the best lovers because of the size of their Internet porn collection. Hands down.
And let me guess, you classify yourself as a "visual learner," right?
I got pics. Look up Fen on kuro5hin.org.
Transcend Humanity. Please.
"All jocks think about it sports. All nerds think about is sex."
-- Louis Skolnick in Revenge of the Nerds
don't tell me you haven't yet figured out that for things to be very enjoyable for the majority of women (there are exceptions, but they are few and far between) you *do* need to use your fingers (in the manner implied) while you use the other parts you mentioned. Not to mention that having dexterous fingers is definitely an asset in 'warming things up' before 'progressing' to said parts.
-- the cake is a lie
The article is using a highly unusual definition of nerd: "A nerd is an excellent provider and a guy who puts you first," says E. Jean Carroll, Elle magazine's love and sex advice columnist. "He'll turn out to be a great father and a great husband."
It's not that nerds are better lovers. It's that they know how to overclock a vibrator.
No, completely wrong yet again. To hell with main stream media.
NERDS ARE NOT IN.
Geeks are. Geeks bathe.
Confidence is attractive. Don't confuse arrogance for self confidence. This is how the hot chicks end up with jerks.
"Self-confidence is simply respect and love for who you are."
I'll agree the respect part, but self-love == vanity and is nither confidence or attractive. Keeping a good appearance is part of self respect, checking ones self out in the mirror before having-at-it is the other.
If women could just make better distinctions between these couple things, they could weed out the jerks and not resort to nerds to avoid the A--holes.
that "Nerds Make Better Lovers" does that mean that they can develop and program a sex robot to pleasure themselves? I hope that the author didn't really think that nerds can actually get real live women did they?
I can come out of my mom's basement (Been living there since I got out of college in '89) , be totally socially inept, and yet.....find one hecuva attractive woman to have whatever gratuitous forms of physical pleasure I want.
Heidi Klum is on the market , right?
=)
"God of Rock, thank you for this chance to kick ass. "
So being a rich, well-televised sports figure now makes you a nerd? Interesting.
Conversely, being a nerd now makes you a rich, well-televised sports figure. Sigh.....
Lewis: "Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex."
(Revenge of the Nerds)
I always thought I was single because I am a nerd. So if nerds are in now, and I am still single.... I guess that makes me not a nerd. So what the hell am I? OMG! I have no sence of identity!
I agree entirely about the supermodel girls - nice to look at, nice to play with, generally want to bash what little brains they have out with a stick... Even when they're bright they have their heads so far up their damned arses they can see sunshine. Mostly.
Also, I've no idea why, but pretty much every girl I 'm ever interested in I get - which is great, but they always fall in love with me - which isn't great - because more often than not I get to know them and don't like them - I have fairly exacting standards. And I hate hurting people....
Anywho, I find the best path to take is one of general non-committal happiness... Also, being British and going for American girls is a real bonus. All you have to do is open your mouth and spit out some disgustingly overblown anglicism and they're like putty.
Mwahahahah...
Oh, and it's almost certainly genetics. Either that or you eat too much/wrong. Try cutting out pasta and bread. Works wonders.
Back in my day a cute girlfriend was GIF pr0n & a bottle of lotion.
I'm dating your' ex!
Is anyone watching this funny reality TV show? The second episode was aired last night on KTLA 5 (Los Angeles, CA, USA). The guys had to do massage stuff while the gals had to fine tune sport cars.
;)
I don't see how geeks and nerds can be better lovers from that show especially with Richard.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Things I wish I had really figured out earlier:
... couple days in the hospital disabused me of that notion). Do limit beer, bread, pasta, potatoes, and sugared candy though. Rum and Diet Coke can become the standard substitute for beer, and chicken on the Foreman grill can replace random microwave food amazingly well.
1) Don't stink. Yes, I know you can't tell. Nerd types have had enough cool things happen (code compiled, game beaten, etc) while utterly reeking that we lose the automatic association between hygiene and effective living. I'm serious, everyone else has it, we don't. So just accept:
a) In the morning, you must:
i: Shower. Soap everywhere. It's better to annoy people with longer showers than to annoy them with too short ones. A shower radio can help (this one has MP3 and a mirror for shaving!).
ii: Brush your teeth and use Listerine. At least occasionally floss.
iii: Put on underarm deodorant. I recommend antiperspirant gels. If you have recurring, serious problems anywhere you sweat alot -- it's fungus, and it needs to die. Tinactin works. If you're out in public, and realize your underarms stink -- squeeze teabags under your armpits in the bathroom. Works well (thank you, worse case scenario guide to sex and dating). Oh, those new body sprays (Axe, etc) may be budget cologne, but reactions to them ain't bad. Don't wear too much of it, though, and no it's not a replacement for a shower.
iv: Wear clean clothes. Your pants and your jacket are the only thing you can re-wear. Everything else goes in the biohazard pile.
b) After school or after work, if you're going out anywhere you need to impress anyone, you are generally expected to do all the above again. Annoying, sure. But even if you don't stink by dinner, you may start ripening by bedtime.
c) Your clothes must fit. Baggy is vastly better than too tight. Can't emphasize this enough. Wear a belt; people really hate seeing asscrack. Don't wear corporate tech t-shirts you got at a trade show, except for Google. They're an exception that proves the rule. Speaking of clothes, no visible pit stains, and if it's ever really, really stunk -- it needs to be washed in hot water, generally with bleach, or the bacteria and fungi that eat your sweat will be primed and ready to excrete the stuff that actually stinks. This is the idea behind undershirts and underwear, by the way. The bleach and hot water make your colored stuff fade.
Regarding wardrobe issues -- girls do like shopping with guys (Ken doll, they're not paying, get to be useful, etc), but you actually can't say things like "I dunno, whatever." Feedback is necessary, even if you don't actually know or care. So say things like, "Bring me two or three things, and I'll tell you which is my favorite of them." You actually get to be honest here -- she'll like all three, this ain't the SAT -- but be confident in whatever you answer, and frankly, it doesn't matter that much so answer quickly.
Shoes matter an absurd amount. Exercise shoes (Nike, Reebok) are only to be worn during exercise.
Regarding diet and exercise -- Atkins does work, but alot of people do end up sick (I was the biggest defender of the program
Exercise, it sucks, I know, they lie. But there's a trick: GBA/PSP while pedaling on a stationary bike works shockingly well, especially while playing an RPG.
If you've got some cash, getting a recumbent exercise bike and plopping it in front of your PS2/Xbox works really well too. Just link gaming to pedaling, and your body will think it's enjoying pedaling while your mind is enjoying the game. Weird, but it happens.
Just remember -- exercise is indeed boring, but it's a lot better than eight hours a day of hard labor.
d) This won't fix everything. There's a world of social learning you need to do. You can't learn the social elements from a Slashdot post (though I
Talk nerdy to me.
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If I were you, I would go around saying that at least one person figured it out back then, or else you're going to have a frying pan thrown at you tonight...
So you're saying there's a chance.
There are a lot of assumptions in this approach, which can easily lead to errors in thinking that make the process of finding someone much more difficult:
1. Thinking of 'women' as a monolithic entity. Their values and needs a diverse as that of any male. Be patient, and don't allow yourself to become either bitter or desperate. It's the emotional equivalent of leprosy. Don't give in to it.
2. You really should be thinking in terms of what YOU want, and how to get it. Ask yourself some hard questions about what you really want and why as part of this. Self-deception is wasted energy. What sort of person are you really after? We see this endless stream of leather anorexics with fake tits and fake personalities paraded as some sort of icon, but they're image is just another consumer product.
3. You are not a peer group. You are an individual. Listen to your friends and family, but think for yourself.
4.Quiet girls/quiet guys are the greatest untapped resource ever! Still waters run deep.
yeah right. it's time for you to take your meds to control these delusions.
I'm curious. What is a real sport?
A real sport has at least two of the following:
* A ball
* A net
* Defense
Baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer, football, cricket all qualify. Golf, darts, auto racing, etc. all fail to qualify.
(Can you tell I'm from New York yet?)
Unix: Where
Maybe now that it is on Slashdot, she'll believe me.
I'm not a troll, but I play one on Slashdot.
"Finally, there's the issue of mood lighting. Nothing looks sexier than a man in boxer shorts illuminated only by a 15-inch SVGA monitor."
"Understand you're having a little Jimmy Page trouble."
For generation, every nerd in his mid-30s and 40s has experienced it: the tribe of women in the late 20s to early 30s, newly divorced and with a kid or two, who hit on him.
Reality has suddenly dawned on these women. They're no longer the cheerleaders they were when they had half the number of miles on their odometer. They're used goods on the meat market, scorned by the current generation of cheerleaders (you haven't heard cruelty until you hear how the youngsters treat their older sisters). They've discovered that being single again with a kid isn't the careful life that they thought it would be.
There's a variant; the ones that don't have any kids. They're the female versions of Peter Pan, having refused to grow up for years and years. They typically have a few more divorces, and a series of short-term relationships. They're a bit older than the single moms, in their mid to late 30s, and suddenly ohmygod my biological clock is running out and who is going to fertilize my eggs and stay around?
Suddenly, a nerd with an upper 5-digit or 6-digit salary doesn't look so bad.
Both versions of this tribe hang around places where nerds can be found, especially nerd watering holes. You can see them wandering around, scanning the left hand of every male in the place to find one without a ring. Having spotted a target, she zooms in.
Next step, she needs to answer the all-important question, is he gay?
Once that is answered, it's time for the small-talk. The mating dance. She fully expects to bed him that night.
Note that she never asks is he married? She just assumes that if there is no ring and he's not gay, he's available and looking; and at this point she's no longer above stealing some other woman's husband. It's never dawned on these women that there may be some legitimate reason (other than being on the prowl) why he might be married and not wear a ring.
When this happens to me, I quickly put an end to the little comedy by dropping the my wife and kid bomb. I complement her on "how friendly people are in this town", show her the family photos, ask for advice on what would be good local presents to take back with me (I've gotten some excellent advice!), and thank her profusely for that advice.
On the one hand, striking out again is probably not a good feeling for her. On the other hand, maybe helps her self esteem to learn that it is possible to have a social interaction with a straight man without ending up on her back with her legs spread.
In any case, all this has gone on for many generations, and will doubtless continue to go on. As the odometer ticks, nerds go from being valueless on the meat market to the hottest commodity.
Cheerleaders and jocks go the other way. That's the way life is.
I tend to believe the metrosexual men are in fashion; not necessarily nerdy men. No offense, but who wants to be with a person that sits around all day and reads book and sit behind a computer? It's not exactly what most people would consider fun and exciting.
And please don't take this as flamebait because that's definitely not what I have in mind. I'm just suggesting that the men listed are more metrosexual than nerdy.
My lame blog.
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"all jocks think about are sports, all nerds think about is sex"
...is chik.
You know where you are? You're in the $PATH, baby. You're gonna get executed!
... being a rich and/or successful and/or famous nerd is now in.
Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams
Oh, that the dynamic of attraction and relationships could be explained with the work 'geek' alone.
"We are all geniuses when we dream"
- E.M. Cioran
You're a geek, take an anthropology lesson from society.
Women are looking for providers. They can't help it. It makes sense. Who gets stuck with the baby for 15 years as it grows up? Not the bloke, he can wander off and father a dozen (a thousand?) more. It's just the same way you can't help looking for physically attractive females.
Why are men fascinated by money, cars, houses etc? Status items, evidence of their ability to provide. Why do women spend sooo much time on their appearance?
You want to be sexy to women? Look around you. Start looking and acting like someone who can provide.
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So, anyway, I was sitting in my usual bar, using the WiFi I had set up for them, and drinking Guinness.
Along came a lady.
She was attracted to me for some reason (she thinks I'm really cute), she bought me drinks, she ASKED ME OUT, and we've been together for nearly a year now.
Oh, did I mention she is really hot, sexy, smart, creative, and more than fifteen years younger than I am? Has more formal education than I, earns more money?
There's hope for you, my fellow geeks!
OUT OF MOM'S BASEMENT AND INTO THE STREETS!
Most people (read GUYS) that I know that think they're geeks are, in truth, quite profoundly disfunctional emotionally and psychologically. IOW, they're marginal freaks, not geeks.
I hate to tell you, but people like Tiger Woods and Steven Speilberg are NOT geeks in the way that is implied in this article. These guys are well-adjusted, psychologically healthy individuals.
It is amazing that nearly all the replies to this are completely stereotyped.
... all nerds. Perhaps it is popular in hollywood for chicks to date nerds, but who the f* cares what's going on in hollywood, it's all fake anyway!
Nerds saying that girls don't want guys who appear to be as stereotypical nerds appear. Followed up with sheep agreeing with them, or joking about the responce.
What do nerds look like?
Well, I've seen everything from the stereotype to punks with 2' tall mohawks to weight lifters to corporate types
it's a sig, wtf?
Somehow I don't think Tiger woods has ever troubleshooted a SCSI card or fired a Magic Missle (except on the greens). Ironically I recall Vin Diesel used to be a big D&D nerd.
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." -Groucho Marx
Once I can get the anatomically correct robotic framework debugged I'll have a really good approximation of the BuffyBot!
I think the definition of who and what is a nerd has been stretched over time. Is it someone who is into a specific cultural meme (Star Trek, LofTR), someone who isn't into sports (that would excluse Tiger Woods), socially awkward (but why all the cons and fests?), someone who is into the nitty gritty of technology, or must they have something from all these? When they start claiming multimillionaire Hollywood actors are nerds I'd say that was pushing it.
I hate to say it but it looks like nerdom has been coopted by the mainstream just like skate boarding and rap music have been.
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
it not that the girls are changing their flavours, ... ... maybe the babs are getting old? geeks ...
it's that they're re-branding non-geeks as geeks.
worry, this is a try at eradicating geek-dom (of
course impossible!). so stand up you real geeks
and defend your REAL geekyness. tiger woods a geek?
riiiight
this is really very comparable to what hitler did
before WW2 and how he explains that democracy has to
be overcome from the inside... sh1ty newspaper that.
hmmm
always have this babyfaced-ness aura ya know
I found one and married her, electrical engineer, but attractive and athletic, thinks Army of Darkness is the best movie ever.
The other night, when I got home from work there was fried chicken, then after the kids went to bed sweet lovin', and finally she helped me finish off an arch-villian in City of Heroes. It just doesn't get any better than that! If I believed in a god I would be on my knees every night thanking him.
For those that haven't found their great geek girlfriend, keep the faith, they are out there.
2) Self-confidence is attractive. Unfortunately, many geeks think self-confidence is something for guys who brag about every "conquest" they have. It's not. Self-confidence is simply respect and love for who you are. Love yourself first and good relationships will follow. This is difficult, but it's the key ingredient to any successful relationship. If you know who you are and you love who you are, people will love and respect you that much more.
This is a pet-peeve of mine. Many women seem to think that confidence is something you choose to have. Granted, you say it is "difficult", but that isn't the whole story.
I am confident in my work. Did I just "try" and then gain it? No. I was given a shot by someone. A small company took a chance with me, and that experience, while not lasting, was successful. I now have 8 years of experience, and while there have been ups and downs, I have had enough positive experiences to have confidence that my future efforts will not be met with crushing failure.
On the other hand, I have never had a girlfriend. Lots of my female friends tell me and others that they find me attractive (I also have good hygene, and I'm not overweight) but that I likely don't have a girlfriend because of my lack of confidence.
I have never tasted success, so how do they expect me to have confidence? Every girl I had interest in from junior high, high school, and college turned me down. Every woman I have had interest in since I entered the workforce has turned me down. From everything I can gather, based on what they have told me or their friends, these women didn't turn me down because they were dramatically out of my league, but because they saw I didn't have much confidence, and didn't want to be my first. One woman actually did show interest in me until she found out I'd never had a girlfriend.
Someone has to be the first.
You and the previous posters are all dead right about self-confidence being sexy - in fact, self-confidence can make up for a lot of lacking physical attractiveness. So can a sense of humour.
Although hygene *IS* important.
If you are clean, and you are confident, and you don't whine or grovel, and you can be a little funny... you'll do just fine, even if you aren't going to be on any calendars anytime soon.
DG
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If Tiger Woods, a famous rich sportsman, qualifies as a geek then the scope of the term has been expanded to meaninglessnees.
If you look beyond the superficial you may find something worthwhile - nothing new here.
/, never mind...
Women are attracted to successful men - big surprise.
About the only thing they left out was that it's easier to meet a women when you're already in a relationship.
What I do find ironic is how it was all about geek men and hot women - not the reverse. While they are busy praising hot women who look beyond the guy's appearance and the joy they've found; there's nothing about Tom Cruise and a fat chick.
Geeks everywhere will take heart the they Have a chance (tm); completely missing that what they are doing (ranking looks high on the desirable list) is what they are bemoaning. Sure, it mentions that geeks don't want airheads (of course, the amount of airhead that is acceptable is in direct proportion to the hotness factor for most guys); but I bet you won't find many who would turn down an airheaded model for a smart, but much less physically attractive, women.
Women, as a group, are surprisningly rational when it comes to long term choices - and looks is only a small part of that equation.
Next time you're with some friends and see a hot chick with an average guy - watch the reaction - the guys wonder what she sees in him, the girls wonder what he has that attracted her. Oh wait, this is
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
"Jocks spend all their time thinking about sports... Nerds spend all their time thinking about sex."
usually, this is attractive
Until something is blurted out like:
"Hey, you want to see my Star Wars action figure collection? I even have the original Boba Fett with the missile-firing backpack!"
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I couldn't disagree more with the idea that self love == vanity. Self-delusion maybe, but not love.
Think about it. When you love someone, you know what their faults are, and although they might get on your nerves sometimes, you know that they're just part of what makes that person who they are. You know when they're going to do that thing, and sometimes you think it's cute or funny.
If you can't figure out what I'm talking about, think about your Mom or Dad for a moment.
Self-love is accepting yourself for all your traits, geeky and otherwise. Yes, not everyone finds your encyclopedic knowledge of FORTRAN or ST:TNG or crypto or as interesting as you find it. But the self-loving geek knows that, and has a sense of humor about it -- its just a PART of who you are.
And, it lays the foundation for love for someone else.
Not lust, or obsession, but actual love, the kind that could turn into a serious, long-lasting relationship.
Because EVERYONE has something geeky and quirky about them that will eventually either drive you crazy, or you'll accept and love it as part of what makes your love the person they are.
My love, for example, is a huge worrier and a geek in the areas of music and shoes. Sometimes this drives me nuts, but mostly I find it endearing and cute. At the moment, closet space is a problem, so the shoes are seeming less cute than they used to seem. And we've been married for 2.5 years.
These opinions are my own. My employer is not aware of them, does not endorse them, and is not responsible for them.
haha, I have thought about developing a fake foreign accent for that reason. I found it to be too much work though.
The biggest problem I see with meeting geeky people is that we hate socializing.
I'm thin not overweight so pasta and bread I need just maintain a decent weight. I have tried many different styles of eating over the years (eg. bodybuilder diet, etc.) and finally just chalked it up as genetics. That is until I see this mention of thinking about exercising.
The ratio of people to cake is too big
I have always said Psalm 37:11 Exhortation to Patience and Trust Of David says "But the meek shall inherit the land, and delight themselves in abundant prosperity." should read "But the geeks shall inherit the land, and delight themselves in abundant prosperity."
Scientia et Potentia
And I'm sure this article has nothing to do with the heavily promoted WB show "Beauty and the Geek" http://www.thewb.com/Shows/GenericShow/0,11116,228 773,00.html
>>the brain is the most important sexual organ.
;-)
On you maybe.
Look dudes, if you want the ladies, you need to check out the High Status Male web site.
And if you think the ladies want a nerd, you're wrong - they want what some nerds have: lots of $$$ from cashing out during the dot-com days. And when your nerdy self is at work, they are out satisfying their physical needs with real men.
Mathematically, it's a numbers game. The more girls you talk to and ask out, the better your chances are of dating one. Don't worry about their feelings, etc., just pretend you are listening to them. They like it when you are slightly ignoring them because they see it as a challenge to do more to get your full attention.
Remember this - women are hardwired to be submissive. They are pre-programmed to search for someone who can make them feel secure. If you aren't manly enough to elicit this primitive feeling in a woman, then find a women who is more timid than you. Nice guys do finish last.
I have to disagree with you here, based purely on personal experience. I've been dating continuously in a lot of long term relationships for the last 6-7 years, and I've seen the opposite...
There are a lot of girls who love nerdy guys, big glasses are just a "mark of nerddom". Intelligent girls tend to love the conversations that a nerdy guy can sustain, and the dumb ones will usually love anime and think they're dating some internet-james-bond with "ooh but you can just hack their lives away" ideas, equating computer knowledge with some mystical power.
Additionally, introverts are VERY sexy. Introverts are very bad at interacting in a group, but once they find a single person to interact with that person will be the sole focus of their attention when they do spend time with them.
The only point you made I don't have any experience with is weight... I've been a vegan since I was 6 years old so I've never had a weight problem, but my personal experience definately goes contrary to all your other points.
Josh.
Open Your Mind. Open Your Source.
If being a nerd makes you a better lover, then why are these nerdy men cited in the article getting screwed by having to date these second-banana non-nerd "supermodel" chicks?
If nerds are the best lovers, then shouldn't the best couples be nerd-on-nerd? It just doesn't make any sense any other way.
Someone please set up Tiger Woods with Steve Urkel's sister, so he can find out what dating a real woman is all about!
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
FINALLY! I can get laid!!!!
---- You have been programmed by the Illuminati to not see the word ""!
You ever seen John Daly play a round of golf? The true definition of a sport follows:
Scoring is objective (none of this averaging judges scores crap)
There must be a ball involved.
It must always be played with a team.
Wheels cannot be used by any part of normal game equipment.
So if an American was to try and pick up a british chick, would the accent thing work for him too?
No one's mentioned A Girl's Guide to Geek Guys!
personal attacks hurt, especially when deserved
Girls like my abstract object.
the only permanence in existence, is the impermanence of existence.
All this talk is just to paper over the fact that women want money, stability and comfort in the 'nest' they setup.
So after she's done sleeping around with the Jocks she'll come knocking your way to give that to her. Aren't you glad you've been saving?
Enjoy the sloppy 17'th.
Am I being harsh? yea..
Is it true? More than you care to believe.
Oh, this is shameless what I'm about to post, but here it goes.
If you want confirmation that geeks are at least somewhat popular with the ladies, check out the ThinkGeek web page that sells an "I [heart] My Geek" women's T-shirt. They have a whole bunch of shots of actual customers (girls) wearing the shirt, and some of them are babes. I mean, do girls this hot really date geeks? Apparently so, although I never knew.
It's sort of like dating a model, once you're in the club you start getting passed around like a jar of cheese dip at a late night slumber party. Pretty soon one of her friends would call with a computer problem and you'd wake up three days later at her house with a fixed computer and a tequila hangover from hell.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
We dated for about five years and finally tied the knot in September 2004. I couldn't ask for a better husband and best friend. He's smart, handsome, a great listener and oh so talented with computers of course! It's true love when he builds you a machine from scratch :-) It was a million in one chance that we even lived in the same city :-)
According the the PGA, anyway. Remember the court case against Casey Martin, the disabled golfer, that by allowing him to ride a cart, it would impair the integrity of the sport?
[Bender]Hey, what about Casey? If he rides a cart, we'll all ride a cart. It'll be anarchy. This is out of my hands now.[/Bender]
The truth about Scientology, Xenu, and you: Operation Clambake
Does that make things like skiing and pro-cycling not sports either? There's no net or defense in either of those.
Too bad none of those chicks will ever read that article. The only ones reading it are us, and I don't want to date you guys.
If Tiger is a nerd, what am I? The nerdiest nerd on earth or what? C'mon guys, Tiger is not a nerd, he's just a multi-millionaire. And that's exactly what makes girls fall down on him. It's the money.
Besides, Tiger looks to good to be a nerd. Dream on.
Paul.
You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
Ok here is my story:
1st GF: animal in the sack, dirty girl, didn't last long, nothing else was there
2n GF: Geeky. Into computers like me, legally blind (240/20 in the bad eye, can NEVER drive). Dated a year and a half, talked about marriage & kids. Did love her a lot. Still think about her sometimes. She got very cold, wouldn't even let me hug her, NEXT! Doesn't even speak to me now, see next point.
Fling: I left gf #2 for this girl, didn't work out. Still friends though. Mostly online (MSN)
3rd Gf: Ended up not having time for me in her life. Works at a nuke plant. Not really a geek though, don't know how well it would have worked anyways.
4th GF: Plays drum in a scottish pipe bank. uses Firefox (instant turn on!), dones't mind that I am a huge geek (she loves thinkgeek.com too). Fell in love within a month, but no sex, she's a virgin and catholic (been going to church with her a bit.. not too sure how I feel about that yet), so wants a ring before we even live together, wasn't too sure I could deal with that.
Miskate: #3 has time for me now, went back to her (nookie possibility). Last week she calls me, she prego from someone she was seeing when I was seeing #4 for the first time. Thats done, I'm out.
#4 wants me back; saw her last sat. It's like nothing changed. Realized what body parts to think with. True love and friendship is better than sex! Besides, it will happen eventually. She may not even wait for marriage if were sure.
Us geek guys just have to find the right girl. Someone that can appriciate your finer points (nice guys, good in bed, faithful, good at fixing things, able to figure out the instrucation manual for something,etc..) and look past the things that some people may not like. I can honestly say that I am happy being a geek guy and wouln't change it for anyone!
K Man
Kim Polese?
Kim, baby, call me! Better yet, give me your number, I'll call you. No, wait, call me. Wait...
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
for me, as I've gotten older I've gotten MUCH more attention from the ladies.
When I was 16, couldn't get a single date. Now that I'm in my late 20s, I have to turn women away.
Nerdiness is in!
Although I suspect that is also has a lot to do with the following. I'm black, and as politically incorrect as it may be to say; there aren't many attractive black men my age who do not have criminal records or a bunch of kids. When women get to the age where they're thinking about having a family, smart men who obey the law become a lot more desireable.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Nerd... a quick search of google presents us with the following specimen: THE NERD
So really what's going on here is that these rich jocks and art boys have called themselves nerds in order to mate higher up the food chain. Power to you rich dudes.
Now for what really makes a better lover: Study, listen, watch, breathe, hang out with, learn everything about your girl. Find out exactly where her buttons are (in and out of bed). Then, press away. It's like a piano, with practice you can make cool melodies. More concrete: study up on sex, improve your physique - yeah, that requires working out - and keep your humour and intelectual charm.
last of all tips: women aren't worth it anyway, don't bother.
it will only work if our IQ's total 236.
My faith is expressed through Nihilism. Do you understand?
Geek Break Up Lines
11. (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? R
(A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? R
(A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? F
Relationship failed.
10. Now that Half Life 2 is out, I need to refocus my priorities.
9. You have been unsubscribed from my dating list. Please click this link to confirm.
8. I need a lover who understands that 20 hours a day on the Internet is normal.
7. I don't think we should date any more, but we can still be on each other's buddy lists.
6. I'd like a true beauty so I don't have to spend so much time photoshopping your ugly face out of our photos.
5. It's like in X-Men number 135, where Cyclops and Jean Grey (as The Phoenix)...
4. Let's face it. You love Intel, and I'm an AMD man. It's not going to work out.
3. What do you mean your EULA says that once I've removed the shrink wrap I can't return it?
2. After you e-mailed me your full-body shot, I realized I was looking
for someone more feminine
1. So long and thanks for all the fish.
I felt up a rape victom once... does that count?
:)
And no i didnt rape her
WTF R U talking 'bout, dude ??
I've booted Linux on her microwave while I was fucking with her in the kitchen... no big deal... and guess what... she was happy, I was happy and the microwave was happy...
Seriously, guys, it takes literally five seconds in the morning to apply deodorant. Get the gel kind, it's easy and doesn't flake. People will stop making fun of you behind your back.
This has been a public service announcement paid for by the Coalition of People with Noses for Better Nerd Hygiene.
Now that you got your confidence pumped a bit with these news, go on and read this guide!
Seriously, it's not sarcasm, jokes or anything. It's two wpmen giving tips about relationships, building confidence, and so on, specifically for geeks.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Its quite apparent that mainstream society doesnt get it. I surely dont have girls knocking down my door. And I'm a somewhat affluent home-owning 24 year old guy.
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Looks matter, but if you're going for looks alone, I guess you'll get what you deserve.
;-) (as long as we're doing the stereotype game, why not have some fun as well?)
Not commenting on the article, qualifying a multimillionaire as an average nerd is just too weird, but on the stupid posts on "how to date hot chicks" and "women are naturally submissive" which is indicative to how wrong this whole article is in the first place.
I know this is totally out there, but maybe the amount of dates you get may be an indication of how much you can dig women in general...
People (not only women, even men) are perceptive. They recognize humor (a big turn-on) and yes, even total obsession with sex, and lots of other factors that may be mutually attractive at one time or another. Looks matter, but so do a lot of things. Smell for instance
The sooner you can get over this whole inferiority-complex-turned-into-superiority gig, the better. It might give you a chance for a real life. Look around you if you can't speak from first hand experience, it's perfectly possible to be with a dream man/woman and still be utterly alone. Look for things that tend to stay and that really turn you on, not perfect tits (although it IS a nice bonus...)
Disclaimer: I used to be a total asshole, once I discovered the "tricks to date hot chicks". I'm sooooo glad I got over it somewhat intact.
BTW: anticipating the "sooo, what you're saying is you date UGLY chicks", my wife is pretty beautiful, not a super model though, but then again, neither am I. And the overall package (distro) is hard to beat, even if the competition has perfect tits.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Don't forget that Niehls Bohr won an Olympic Silver Medal in soccer. Brilliant, but also a bit of a jock.
sends me to sites like this to see that, well, things are simple if you can just learn to be more cold, calculating, and manipulative. Which would be betraying myself in a number of ways.
Getting the ladies is all about being a man.
Read that article. I'm still myself, but I'm my MANLY geeky self. It is possible. It works.
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Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Damn. At first glance, I thought that this story was about the appeal of nerdy women (the summary could have read that way). I was about to send it to my girly-girl bitch relatives who I don't talk to anymore because when I do, I get this "You're not feminine and not a real woman!" vibe from them. You know, the "Computers are Hard! I can't Sit At This Stupid Thing!" kinda women. Would have loved to shove such an article up their a*rses. Damn. (No, I'm not frumpy or ugly either)
Women have all sorts of tricks to get free attention. Geeks often don't have or use this skill... even if they know how. I've read Paul Graham's why geeks are geeks rant, but still you can be proactive about it.
Where a T-Shirt that says:
"If I can make a computer...
I can make you cum"
I bought one at tshirthell.com... It works.
Follow Me To Certain Death
I hate golf, you insensitive clod!
You can't handle the truth.
Hell, I've met various types of scientists at parties -- just gotta go to the right parties. Also, smarter and more evolved/refined people congregate together at parties, usually -- unless they're doing the white-picket-fence thing, which just isn't for me (or my SO, aren't I lucky!).
Also, give your geek some space to breathe, and work on work/hobbies/projects, and to visit other people. A little bit of space can go a loooong way.
Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
I prefer them younger, however, so I only look at PNG.
Just don't tell my wife.
You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
... we have access to the world's largest repository of porn, and therefore we know all the positions, where the clitoris is and how to spit on your cock for a bit of anal invasion.
and its been around awhile - where you guys been? :)
An artist, lawyer and programmer are sitting at a pub, having a few drink and soon the conversation turns towards cheating on their wives.
:)
The lawyer pipes up. "Don't do it guys, I don't care how pretty she is. I see this every day in my profession, some fool cheats on his wife with some pretty little thing, she finds out, before you know it he's lost half his house, half his assets, half his future paycheck and can't even see his kids any more...And with all that stress, it's just not worth it."
Then the artist pipes in. "no no no no...life is for living...how can you live in fear like that. Imagine the romance...the passion...the secrecy and mystery. That is what life is about my friend, who cares if you get caught, life should be lived dangerously and passionately."
The programmer looks up over his glasses and says "yeah, I've got mistress...have had one for quite a few years now".
The lawyer and artist are shocked. The certainly wouldn't have expected that from thier geeky little friend. The artist pipes up:
"Oh my friend...tell us, what's it like. Are you always stressed out worried about what you could loose...is it passionate and wonderful...what?"
The programmer looks up again and say "It's great...best thing I've every done.........wife thinks I'm with the girlfriend, girlfriend thinks I'm with the wife, I can go get some coding done."
boom tish
...Then fat women are SEXXY.
In my days we had no GIFs, it was all punch cards. And with those you didn't need lotion!
You can't handle the truth.
there are even romance novels about nerds, so my wife informs me. Something about "Nerd in shining armor by Vicki Lewis Thompson".
Stop signs are only Suggestions
Unfortunately, no one likes American accents. Some Americans after living in the UK for, say, 10 years pick up some of the accent though. OTOH, lots of Brits are good at American accents.
DOS: Dios, Papua New Guinea
MVS: Mucuri, Brazil
PDP: Punta Del Este, Uruguay
ATI: Artigas, Uruguay
AMD: Ahmedabad, India
PPC: Prospect Creek, AK, USA
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Yep.
And by the way, my wife is pretty hot.
...but still, every relationship ends with the words 'you always sit in front of your fscking computer'.
Don't JUST talk about yourself and your interests.
I'll assume for the sake of easy to read sentences that I'm talking to straight male nerds, but this advice applies to all genders and sexual orientations.
Ask her about herself, about her interests, about her life, about her friends.
LISTEN to what she says.
Think about what she said, and comment or ask more questions related to the topic. Go ahead and share relevent anecdotes from your own life.
I trust you can all see how interrogation -- which is NOT attractive -- is distinct from what I've just described.
Also, when you are talking about yourself, don't just talk about how great you are. Admitting nervousness or some aspect of vulnerability is very attractive, so long as it doesn't cross the line into abject insecurity or whining.
One way to open up that area of conversation is to talk about things that you hope to do, but haven't yet been able to try or complete. NOTE: If 'have sex' is on this list, don't include it in this conversation! I mean things like write a novel or travel to antarctica.
Liza
These opinions are my own. My employer is not aware of them, does not endorse them, and is not responsible for them.
The entire article reeked of the assumption that geeks are men.
At least bother to state "male geeks" if that's what you're going to talk about.
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I support spreading santorum
It's true. Think about it -- Hollywood is your high school drama class, all grown up (figuratively speaking, of course).
Who wants to become famous? Kids who are obsessed with pop culture, and who watch TV, movies, and play video games all night (and sleep all day). Sound familiar?
So why is it surprising when celebrities hook up with people who are probably just like themselves?
You might hate me for saying this, but she's just trying to help. The following is a cliche, but a hard lesson to learn: we are responsible for ourselves. In your post, you blame her, or more generally women like her, who give advice but aren't willing to commit to a relationship with you to help you with your problems. Do you not feel this is rather selfish of you? Your problems are NOT her fault. They might not even be your fault, but they are YOUR problems. You have to deal with them, and in no way does she or any other woman have to add them to their own.
You seem like a very intelligent person, but a bitter one. I understand where you are coming from, but as a human I have my own problems. The people who have time to hold your hand through your antisocial problems are not only rare, but probably ignoring their own problems. Do yourself a favor and take responsibilty if you genuinely want to change. Nobody else will.
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+2 nerdy - Utena sig
-- your Web browser is Ronald Reagan
"It's just the same way you can't help looking for physically attractive females.
Now, do you mean that it's the same way that a person growing up in a society where only certain body shapes are shown as desirable can't help but only want certain body shapes, or do you mean that people are attracted to what they find attractive?
Saying that something "just is" is essentialism. You're saying that people are born to want a certain body shape. Go compare what our society portrays as desirable to what was desirable in the 1950s, the 1850s, or around when they carved those pregnant fertility statues.
That women are looking for providers implies their only function in life is to serve man and squat out their babies every few years. That's BS, and completely sexist.
No, just because someone is talking about their problems doesn't mean they are looking for a solution. Every woman I've ever had a relationship who had a problem already knew how they were going to treat the solution, they just wanted to talk through the problem to get sympathy. Everytime I offer a solution when they talk about those problems, I get bad responses.
And, the women I spend my time with (particularly the one I am marrying) are not lazy or mentally underdeveloped. Typically, if a man has a lot of problems, he doesn't talk about it to anyone and just deals with the emotions involved. And typically, as the grandparent suggests, if a woman has a lot of problems, she talks about them to those close to her in order to feel better about her approach to the problem. Maturity or intelligence level have nothing to do with a woman's tendencies to follow her feelings and be sympathetic of others, be it a natural instinct or societal influence.
Besides, wouldn't the more intelligent approach be to have a fluid solution, so it can adapt to failure?
Your list of suggestions make sense, but as a self-proclaimed "geek guy" who believes he already follows most of those, I'd still have to make a few counter-points.
1. I *do* complain (or whine; your pick how you wish to label it) a lot about things I observe in the world around me. If that's too "unattractive" for a woman to deal with, so be it. But I usually point such things out to spark a conversation. I'm typically upset at something I think needs to be pointed out and addressed, rather than just swept under the rug. All too often, I think women want to avoid confrontation or discussion that might not be of the "happy, happy - joy, joy" type. You know... the types that try to end all political discussion at a table as soon as it starts, with a "can't we just talk about something ELSE?!" plea?
2. I'm not too convinced many women really want a guy that seems very "into" them at all? Practically every time I've been in a new relationship that I was really excited about (felt those "sparks" from the first time we met and all that good stuff), the thing that seemed to immediately terminate it was expressing the fact that I felt so strongly about it! My theory is, women want to feel like they're the ones who "won the guy over" themselves... They want to be the one in the "driver's seat" after the guy makes that first move and does the initial "hitting on them" and they accept. No matter how much you're falling into "like", "love" or "lust" for the woman, the only thing she wants is for you to pay attention to her on her terms, and always drop what you're doing to come over there *if you're invited*, but NOT to start doing things on your own to show how much you care. It has to be HER show, played out the way SHE wants it to play out.
3. On the "balanced life" thing, sure - everyone needs to get out in public now and then. But if you're really into computers, you can use that to your advantage rather than it working against you here. The computer is the ultimate communications tool! Get into a local IRC chat room for your city or state and organize a "get together" for the people who congregate there. Use email to invite some people out for dinner or bowling or trivia night or whatever you think they'd all enjoy. Do some searches online for recommendations of interesting things to do or see in your area. Buy a cheap hand-held GPS and get into the new hobby of GeoCaching! (www.geocaching.com)
Yesterday, while sifting through the UK version of a Cosmo, I found the most remarkable ad I think I've ever seen. It was for a soap product, I think, but the photo was that of 20 Exactly Normal Looking Women. It occured to me that I dont think I've ever actually *seen* Normal Looking Women before...
I put the ad in front of my fiance, and watched. Over about seven seconds, his face turned from daily-default expression to smelling-onions-and-old-celery. "They're all tubby" he said. I was crushed.
I was crushed because I work out three times a week, pay all the bills, get paid roughly three times as much as he does, ride a motorcycle, have fabulous hair, very often get asked out, and this all adds up to one thing.
I can't be normal. I'm not allowed. If I get to be normal, it means that I've just lost whatever it was that made me.
I listen when he's having a horrible day. I dance when there's no music for no reason. I come home and work on the house-wifey duties, and I make him laugh so hard and so often that any tone in his stomach is at least 60% to my credit. I never thought that I'd have to figure out how to be a good mate despite being pretty because now being pretty is synonymous with being ditzy.
He is an engineer, and a mechanic, and one of the most nerdy guys I've ever met. He is doting, and flattering, and patient, and as long as I continue to be nothing short of a full-blown goddess, he will continue to be wonderful.
At least pretty-boys are low maintainance. At least jocks and players they know they're worthless, it actually turned them into better people. Nerds aren't the underdogs, they're the staple, now...and they know it.
Congratulations boys, now you're the trophy.
{...reality is wrong, Dreams are for real...}
Is it the nerdliness, or just the bank account? Hot chicks hooking up with ugly rich guys is nothing new.
I call massive BS on this one.
Let's take a look at some of the things (I presume) women are attracted to in men:
1) Good looks
2) Good social skills
3) Confidence
4) Intelligence
5) Financial security
Now in the all the geeks *I've* known, the vast majority can forget about #1, #2, and #3. #4 is a given and #5 looks pretty good too.
The problem is that there is another set of minimum standards that so many geeks don't come close to meeting, someone else has already mentioned it here, but they have to do with basic personal hygiene, not snorting when you laugh, etc.
The examples given, especially Tiger Woods, are totally ridiculous. Tiger Woods is rich, very good looking & in perfect shape, very confident, seems to be a very nice guy, has lots of friends, and seems to be highly intelligent from what I've heard/read about him so far. Whatever "geeky" qualities he possesses are lost in the noise.
I'll give you another example: Fabio. Huh? Fabio? That's right, this guy is a major geek! I read a long article written about him in Stereophile, he is a total audio nerd and has an amazing setup in his house. And you can tell he really knows his stuff too from the interview, he's the real deal. However, his image in the media is one of a male bimbo, and I'm sure the legions of women that are probably still after him aren't attracted to him because of his geeky qualities.
So while I've known my share of geeks who don't meet the stereotype (I consider myself one of them) I've known so, so many who can be best summed up by Triump the comic insult dog's prediction: "You will die alone!"
SEE?!!
Men Understand Women Just Fine!!!
we knew you were lying...
{...reality is wrong, Dreams are for real...}
Bill Gates F%*%$# all of us at least once, and he's so good we paid him.
May be women are getting nerdy too. Who knows?
Taking care of ones body is a lifestyle issue, not an appearance issue. I suspect he is looking for a woman who is compatable with his running habit, and likly to understand him, not just a hottie. I am quite sure you misunderstand the reason that he put that requirement on the list.
"I'll have a Guinness, no wait, make that a Coors Light" -Grad student I work with, who shall remain anonymous...
You mean my mom was right when she said they would like me when I was older? Damn....
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
...in my experience, women who do end up in a relationship with a geek will continue to date geeks, even if the first relationship ends badly.
I am a certifiable geek, of the linux variety. Most of my friends are also extremely geeky individuals, running the spectrum from gamer to comic book collector to otaku to DIY hardware junkie. One of the more interesting trends that we have noticed is that the women we end up in relationships with all ended up with something of a geek addiction, even the ones who were not at all geeky themselves. Despite being originally suspicious of our more geeky habbits, almost all of our exes moved consciously to other geeks, and several of our current girlfriends reported a similar experience in their past.
At the risk of self promotion, the parent has a point. Geeks tend to be succesful providers (almost all white collar jobs). We are inherently devoted to and trusting of those close to them. We tend to put creativity and effort into dating (take a girl "properly" stargazing, it's dark, secluded, romantic, fun, and for many girls very novel). We tend to have fairly loose expectations in regard to wardrobe, hair, makeup, etc. (being beautiful in a cocktail dress and 4-hour hair and makeup job is nice but expected, being beautiful in an oversized sweatshirt and a ratty old baseball cap is a huge ego boost). We actually are interested in and attracted to intelligence and personality (all guys have the "oh my god it has boobs!" phase, and it always passes once we actually start making female friends). And, not unimportantly, we're as a rule above average lovers (not only do most of us have a remarkably good understanding of biology and mechanics, we are creative and we tend to put her satisfaction first).
Anyway, ranting aside, it is my conclusion that the "geeks make horrible boyfriends" stigma is patently false, and that most women reach this conclusion rather quickly.
On a similar note, Yahoo News says that women are attracted to homosexuals.
Fire ain't hot and water ain't wet, I heard it on the internet.
"Never sleep with someone who is mean or stupid, and ugly is just a judgement call, because all three may breed true."
Lot's of factors come into play here...
Being a nerd, we don't get any until later in life (post-adolescence), which makes us desperate, and we tend to really research the subject so that when we finally get some, we'll do it right.
That said, we end up much more knowledgeable on what women like/want, and being desperate and all, we "give it our all" to keep em satisfied.
we practice a lot when we're by ourseleves.
(with apologies to Woody Allen)
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Who said you had to like fucking the woman you are with? There's always porn--those chicks are hot and their beauty never fades. As a plus: zero risk of disease, pregnancy, and you don't have to allow someone else to have discretionary control over your sex life. For these reasons, I can never quite let my guard down while fucking my girlfriend.
So, pick the chick that stimulates you mentally as long as you can avoid vomiting at the thought of her appearance. Porn can handle the rest, and it's often preferable.
Then how come women who claim to like men for their minds, or complain about meeting nothing but assholes continue to screw the assholes and leave the good men at home?
Its the same reason why men continue to screw women after they have proven to be psychotic, there is a natural urge to screw pretty people hardwired into our being.
Are you actually telling me that you have never screwed someone just because they were hot?
I can finally get rid of my contact lenses and start again wearing my _heavy_ "duty" glasses. Hey, I'm at ~ -12 dioptry!!!
If you look at my comment history I sound like a complete broken record on this, but one thing that's really good at least for burning fat is to get yourself a nice healthy addiction to DDR. Start stepping to say Max 300 regularly and you'll burn quite a few calories doing so (573 precisely executed steps in a minute and a half...)
Just don't play it where many people can smell you... (ie get a good METAL pad and play in the basement or something). Then again I'm already skinny to begin with but apparently it's helped a lot for a fair few people.
For a while I dated this really really hot woman who was great in bed, and felt I was too. Tons of chemistry/attraction, kissing was amazing (wow, does that hook one in!) but conversation was pretty boring. Also, she was not a professional type of woman, which bothered me. She was more of a feeler, than a thinker. She didn't think most of the stuff I thought was funny, was funny... python, office space, simpsons, etc... Yet, she still wanted me. I made a decision to break up with her based on intellectual dissatisfaction. It was strange breaking up with a really hot woman as I always thought that as a geek, I'd be the one getting dumped by hot women...
;)
I then dated a gal I got along fantastic with for 2 years. Smart, geek-compatible, we were both professionals in a career, we made each other laugh a lot, we were both touchy-feely, she was clean and sweet and thoughtful and rather cute (but not *hot* per se), and she'd do things like take a day off work to take care of me when I got really sick once. The problem is, the sex/chemistry was just not quite there. I really tried- I had to, because I knew how well I was getting along with this woman- but in the end we both just had this flagging sexual interest in each other. The nail in the coffin was when I started an exercise program to get my ass back in sexy shape (for both of us) and she... did nothing but watch me.
I had a dry spell after that and before long I was fantasizing about Hot Chick again. Gave her a call, she was receptive, chat on the phone was hot, and in fact she's visiting tonight for 3 days or so (she's a little distance away, which is fine w/me). I expect a lot of hot, confusing sex, but the loneliness on the search for Everything Girl is just rough sometimes, and I'm not a one-night-stand type of guy, unfortunately. I expect to get tired of this gal right around the time she leaves (when I've plateaued in sexual satisfaction and the law of diminishing returns kicks in).
I am working on some other "leads" but nothing has come to fruition yet. I don't know if "importing an ex" for a few days is defensible objectively, but man, I could use a little TLC, I've had a rough few weeks and I'm fairly excited about seeing her. With the last g/f, we had to try to have sex- with this one, we have to try NOT to. It's fairly confusing, but I am still looking.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't worry, fellow nerds. not only is it possible to get the hot girl (depending on her insecurity), she actually gets boring. Be careful of getting attached to her, though
p.s. Exercise helps a LOT. Women seem to notice even after just a couple of weeks of moderate exercise.
My stance on that is that I don't want a girl to like me for something I'm not. I'm not British. I don't want someone to like me for being British, when I'm NOT BRITISH!
One of peers (can't say friend, because he's a pompous ass that abused his last girlfriend, who I AM friends with, and then dumped her for a 13 year old) told me I should wear pink hair(?!?!?), and all sorts of goth chicks would be all over me. I made the point that I've made in this post... I'm not pink hair.
If it bothers you so much, how do you feel about short chicks? Then you'll be taller than her and feel more confident.
"Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
These words are constantly repeated by many people around the world who have the experience, lived their lives and known women enough to know what makes them really happy.
:)
Some grapes are actually sour, even if they've grown way up there.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Gah!!! I hate when people say "you have to change". It implies that you have to become someone that you're not or not be the "real you". So don't think that you're doomed because you want to remain true to yourself. Should you try to be more outwardly attractive? To increase your chances of finding someone then....yes. Should you try to be more sociable? To increase your chances of finding someone then....yes! How do you do these things? Well...they're skills just like learning how to program in C++ or learning how TCP/IP works. Just because you're learning new skills that may make you seem like you're a different person doesn't make you a different person. So...try out some contact lenses, iron that shirt, go to a night class (not just to learn the subject but more importantly to immerse yourself in a new social experience), or even...dare I say...go to the bar (by yourself). Going to the bar is great for constantly new social experiences. And don't be afraid of making mistakes 'cuz you're going to. Did you stop when you're latest program didn't work? No....you debugged it...learned from it...and kept going. So keep going! Finally.....learn, experiment, experience. That's what life's about. Becoming more outwardly attractive
Am I the only one who is trying to get my gf to be MORE nerdy?
So far the best she's done is a pun about re-naming The 5th Element to "Boron"
I just found the box to change my sig. Um.... [timeless witticism].
Shouldn't that be MAN'S BLOG
And today, very dislexic I am, hmm...
This doesnt apply to ugly nerds.
i.e: you lot.
I have always been attracted to "Nerds" only I wouldn't call them nerds but rather "Men." Instead of letting their egos get in the way like most men they are relationship builders, motivated, generous, caring, know what they want, and appreciative, especially when they find a good women who is willing to do all of the above with them. The ones that are intelligent are easier to talk to and are open to what others think and feel. I've only dated "nerds" and find that out of all my girlfriends, I am usually the one that is most times happier and not as stressed as they are with their egotistical "boys." So if a women wants a real men, take it from me, the "nerd" is the way to go!
This is exactly right: PRETEND to have confidence. Learn how to ACT as if you were self-confident, even though you're not. Spend time with self-confident people, watch how they act, watch what they say (but don't be creepy about it). Put on an act, pretending to be self-confident, and practice on strangers you'll never see again. You can even work on this on IRC, where nobody will know that you're actually shy.
Just keep up the act, until you get good enough at it that it comes naturally, and nobody knows the difference. Don't lie about your accomplishments or whatever, just about your attitude.
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Anyone seen the E3 fraggin dolls? They have to be every /.er dream girls.
Clearly, you haven't been in Japan. :)
My 229 is all the Sig I need http://thegunwiki.com/
That quote's not from George Washington, not precisely. It's from the Treaty of Tripoli, which was passed under John Adams, and I don't think it was credited as having been written by any one government figure of the time. That said, it was quite unanimously accepted.
More here.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
...that's not very encouraging.
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
Start trolling your local noncompetitive martial arts and fencing groups. Geeks like those. (Though I my jujutsu club was heavily loaded with jocks. Perhaps something with less contact.)
Not every geek looks like a geek. You notice the greasy dude in the Fett shirt and penguin hat that hasn't been washed since the Reagan administration because you think he's a geek---what else could he be? But you'd be surprised. Some of us can blend into a crowd. (Well, except for the paleness. But your star burns!)
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
And except that he hasn't got a bad-boy image, and seems a genuinely nice-guy with some actual talent ... nerd sounds like an awful stretch.
When Tiger was a freshman at Stanford, he was 6'2 140lbs, wore very thick glasses off the course (-11 nearsitedness), suffered from allergies, and (according to his college teammates) was an awful dancer. His college teammates called him "Urkel".
The Tiger Woods we see today is largely the result of Lasik surgery, strenuous weight training, and an image that is carefully controlled by IMG.
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Where's the 'ANY' key? I see Esk, Kitarl, and Pig-Up...
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Elin Nordegren, to whom Tiger Woods is married, would never have ended up with a guy like Tiger if he had not been worth $500 million+.
I disagree. Being the best golfer in the world is a huge chick magnet, whether it pays millions or not.
I guess I picked up the habit of driving a used car from my parents, who, as long as I can remember, have driven used cars that they bought outright. My car cost as much as six months of payments on a moderately priced new car, and it's given me more than a year of faithful service. I can't imagine blowing a huge amount of cash on an upgrade that amounts to basically "looks shinier". I have all the car I want or need, thank you very much.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Me too! - The BITCH!
"I'd like to think oysters transcend national barriers Adrian"
- we don't sleep around
Speak for yourself
I guess since we're all out juggling dates with supermodels, none of us has time for slashdot anymore.
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
Get your dick OUT of the floppy drive
You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.
I have to agree with the parent post (lumpy).
Notice it's all the young and naive people who are still young and aren't thinking about the future who are concerned and so self-absorbed with sleeping with a girl that fits some pre-concieved notion of what has value and is beautiful. The fact is, if you want sex and not love then go ahead and screw all the hot girls you want but the law of diminishing returns sets in after you've experienced them, if you do anything too much you get burnt out on it, this includes sex with hot girls. The fact is such pleasure is self-created because you are getting a high from the challenge of scoring a hot chick, but in the end after it becomes easy it loses its value.
The fact is what are your goals in life is ultimately the question people should be asking themselves. If you want to be an eternal bachelor (or bachelorette) all your life, with no kids, more power to you. But I'd think anyone with any sense want's a person they are able to like and love years down the road with a family and not end up lonely in some old age home trying to remember the good times while they they are staring into eternity alone. Just remember its the people who have families that create workers that pay for things like Social security, disability, etc. To each his own.
I may just be wierd, but I think nerds make better boyfriends than non-nerds. Most can have an intelligent conversation, which is more than I can say for most of the population in the world. Most are generally nicer (I hang out with several, and I rarely need to open a door for myself.) Most tend to be individuals (there is nothing I hate more than a cookie-cutter person.) Also, most conventionally handsome guys I've met have been real assholes. They think too highly of themselves. However, I may not be an authority... I also like nerds because they enjoy the things I enjoy (RPGs, good books, computer stuff.) But am I a nerd girl? I'm not a supermodel, but I'm not greasy and fat either. On that note, I hear a lot of you here on /. describing nerds as greasy, fat, and living with their mothers... I don't think that is the norm.
Most of the nerds I know may not be conventionally handsome (with rippling muscles and fashionable hair), but they tend to be very clean at least.
Also, it seems assumed that all nerds are fat. Most of my friends aren't. Can we say 'stereotype?'
I'm a college student, and most of the nerds I know are either adults or other college students who live on their own. Several are going for engineering degrees, which means they will be able to support themselves. If they live end up living with their mothers, it is because they are taking care of her or saving money for a house.
I don't know about other girls (and I mean other girls worth getting - ones who aren't stupid sluts), but I find commen sense attractive.
Yeah, if you're such a stud, how come you can't write a sentence with even decent grammar? I'm not fat. I'm not ugly. And you know what? I know nerds ARE better lovers. And you know what? They DO have sex lives, they just don't feel the need to brag about it to their other egotistical "friends."
Tiger Woods is nerdy? Since when was a champion sportsman nerdy? Having champion sports ability and being a nerd are two mutually exclusive things...
I drink to make other people interesting!
When it comes to beautiful women being attracted to nerds, it isn't for your brain. It is for your pocket book. Bill Gates doesn't bring to the table what Brad Pitt can. Bill is fugly, lets face it. Brad is sword swing, fist smacking, lady loving super actor extreme. More over the guy gots a six pack that makes body builders cry. Bill has his little belly and his glasses.
So why oh why would a beautful woman choose super nerd over super stud? Bill brings in more money a year than Pitt can accumulate in a lifetime. Security is the active word. Security is what she is guarenteed.
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Follow Me To Certain Death
0) have lots of money. women love being the reason for lots of mindless spending. you will do it at first, then later once they have access to your account, they will empty it. you job will be to keep up with their spending.
6) have a big fat dick. if you don't naturally have one, then find a doctor that can help you out.
If you have little money and a little dick, you will get little or no pussy.
you are full of shit
In more ways than one.
Please dont give me hope! :(
I know I will never ever get laid!
All this time I thought I was a fricken nerd.. :( Sad life.
Hmmm if nerds are now IN then I can't be a nerd because I have witnessed no increase in pussy acquisition. I appear to ward off females for some reason. If you exclude farm animals and my own right hand, I never have sex with anything
Aren't we a bit biased?
Wasn't this pointed out in "Revenge of the Nerds" like two or three decades ago?
The article isn't about how geeks make better lovers. If you read the article, it's more of an ad campaign for the new nerd TV shows.
Oh, for the days of the Riptide Detective Agency.
Nerds (particularly nerdy guys) haven't become fashionable significant others because they're better lovers. They've become fashionable because they tend to have above-average wages, quickly become co-dependant, and are too busy thinking they're too smart to have a fast one pulled over on them to realize that it just happened. For all you ladies out there, try it. Start dating a Geek guy, and then cheat on him. He'll be completely oblivious, and will dismiss anyone telling him that you're cheating because he's way too smart not to notice when his girl is getting around.
They're easy to manipulate, too. Just make your Geek think that whatever you want him to do is his idea. Example: if you need your computer fixed, don't say so. Just tell him you downloaded this funny thing off the internet, and tell him you want to show him. Turn computer on, and be shocked when whatever problem your comptuer faces shows up. Do a few stupid things to make it worse, then watch as he tells you you're doing ti wrong and then fixes the whole thing.
Alternatively, watch a DeBeers ad on TV. Comment on how, ever since you were little, you wanted a pair of diamond earrings just like your great-aunt had (or, if diamonds aren't your thing, comment on how you prefer emeralds or sapphires to diamonds). Then, a few hours later, have a fight with him because he never does anything thoughtful for you anymore. Wait diligently for your present in the following days.
FYI - Snipe are good eating. If someone takes you snipe hunting without a gun, I would be suspicious.
"THINKING about exercising is almost as effective at increasing strength as actually exercising"
rofl, keep telling yourself that, you fat nerd.
"Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex."
-Louis Skolnick - Revenge of the Nerds
This is the most profitable time in world history for nerds. From Bill Gates and the Google guys, down to the average nerd who is now making 110k/year programming c++, nerds and geeks are making more money than ever.
Everyone loves money. Even nerds love money. But girls really love money.
I kinda thought they stopped and built Hadrian's wall, when they encountered the hairy savages...
"No need to go any further lads; there's nothing up there!"
Afterwards the wise Romans threw a few of their bagpipes over the wall, and hoped the savages would find some amusement in that. And the Scots actually DID!
The Romans then wisely gave up the annoying bagpipe once they settled in Londonium.
A woman with a child to provide for will be a woman who will appreciate your earning potential and actually take care of you.
Maybe it's settling but for me, maybe it's also a chance to be happy.
Just kill the alpha male.
So, is it really better to try to find someone to be with out of fear of being alone/"unmarriageable" in the future? Just remember-- your asshole kids can and will put you in a nursing home. You can and will end up lonely in your old age, even if married (with offspring). Being an unmarried geriatric with no genetic spawn does not condemn one to a twilight life of loneliness; contrariwise, being married with children does not guarantee that you will not be alone. Furthermore, neither scenario affects other quality of life issues (adult diapers? senile dementia?)
Self-actualize, dammit! Marry if you want, have kids if you want, but don't do it out of fear of "missing a timeframe" or "dying alone". Take responsibility for your own life and its outcomes.
Succinctly: poster purports to be female... in a relationship with a geek. Cf. Slashdot stereotypes. QED.
God, I hope the trolls don't learn this trick.
"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac"
Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
the article is basically telling everyone what i have been promoting for years! I am a the type of girl who lives in a mini skirt, wears lots of pink, was in love with the backstreet boys in my teens and reads cosmopolitan religiously (to laugh at the suckers who date bad boys). I change my wardrobe every season and at some stage owned the Britney Spears "Baby One More Time" costume. I have dated the same nerd since first year uni and will marry him soon. I wouldnt have it any other way. My boyfriend watches SG1 and Atlantis religiously, he has a coin collection and spends the majority of his life silencing his computer. He's goofy and a bit socially inept (he emails me during the day to ask what he should say to ppl) but ever so adorable!!!!! He's cute, with fair skin (u say pastey i say fair), very thin, wears these adorable glasses and has the cutest mop of hair!!!!! In fact most of the time when we are out in public I am normally fawning over him and telling him how gorgeous he is to the point where he's like "oh dear please dont fuss"!!!!! Since going out with him I have been introduced to stargate (yes I am now a fan!), star wars. I have sat there and watched him pull apart his computer, he tells me about all the funky articles on this site and we have light saber fights (and make light saber noises)! He's interesting, always full of facts about everything and can always explain how things work. He proposed to me after 7 months of dating, bought me a huge ring with his scholarship money, will actually shop with me and generally treats me like a princess. There are girls out there like me who love nerds (or will love them if they got the chance to know one) and if you dont ask them out on a date you'll never know who you could have missed out on!!!!
>>the brain is the most important sexual organ.
;-)
On you maybe.
Without the brain, you wouldn't get a hard-on.
You know: Left, down, rotate 62 degrees, engage rotor.
This is my sig. It's prescription, I swear. I need it for reading things... on the other side of things
Let me make one thing perfectly clear: I am not a "nerd", nor a "geek"[1]. I am a computer professional, a techie, competant and knowledgable in the technologies that the modern world depends on.
"Nerd" and "geek" were lables applied to us by the "popular" crowd, the willfully ignorant jerks[2] who think they run things these days, yet don't have the faintest clue how anything works, and so go by "gut feelings", not based on any real knowledge.
And you wonder why the world's in the wretched shape it's in?[3]
mark
1. "Geek" comes from the old carnival slang, and referred to the (usually) mentally retarded guy who made his living in the freak show as "the wild man of Borneo", or some such, and bit the heads off live chickens. As such, Newt Gingrich would qualify.... (He served divorce papers on his wife, while she was in the hospital for cancer.)
2. A friend of mine, who teaches in colleges when he's not being an astronomer, describes the food chain when he teaches "science for non-science majors". The next to the bottom are the business majors, who "don't get it, but don't let that worry them". The bottom are communications majors (you know, the folks who go into journalism and advertising), who "not only don't get it, but don't know that they don't get it".
3. This is *not* the Real Twentyfirst Century. I want the *real* one back, NOW, thankyouveddymuch.
.... the revenge of the nerds .
She told you to move it so she can put in some junky Pier 1 crap she saw on Trading Spaces? LoL
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I started writing the whole thing out here & after a few paragraphs realised the answer to my dilemma. The database woman with the eyes so pale blue it's distracting, mad glinting smile, unkempt hair & poor skin quality of a born geek... we've been catching each others' eyes & looking embarrassed for months now... with the air of mingled self-assurance and incoherent giggling, one of those people who radiates an air of real intelligence, a terribly precious & rare thing...
so...
For the third time in my entire life I am so besotted with someone that I'm going to have to say something, *even if it means I get knocked back* Of course that's by far the most likely outcome: I'm ten years older, flabby, unhealthy, on anti-depressants due to a history of self-harm, with a touch of Asperger's symptoms & a hint of manic depression - oh and a tendency towards hardcore drug and alchol abuse; I've taken virtually everything at some point, except PCP, Angel dust, crystal meth, and ajuahuasca. Yes, smack and crack. Now I just smoke grass & British ale though :) ... (Oh yeah, and people say I have low self-esteem, but I think they're just making excuses for me. That's a joke, son.) There's also a class thing, non UK might not understand this very well, but I can tell that she went to a public (ie private) - I can tell because I did too for a few years around the age of 10 - however the rest of my education & indeed social background is very definitely _lower_ middle class. From this I also obtained my boreish chip-on-the-shoulder autodidactic obsession with trying to prove myself an educated & well read person. Gee I love the class system!)
But in the words of another song,
"Your face is a hell in my head"
And if quoting song lyrics on Slashdot, of all places, isn't a sign of a state of clinical infatuation, I don't know what is ;)
The only thing to do is discharge the emotional static that's deriving from the ambiguity between us, the unspoken acknowledgment - our eyes have been meeting across rooms for months - through the simple act of asking her out for a coffee or something, getting knocked back, & crawling into a bottomless pit of self-loathing, despair & cringing embarrassment and humiliation.
But OTOH... I really don't want this feeling to end... it's been so long...but I had a meeting with her today and I found myself losing track of the topic because I was staring at her lips & imagining just leaning over & kissing her...
human resources was never so interesting.
I'm doing this in the interest of saving time.
The way I speak to total strangers on an online forum is completely different from the way I conduct myself with people in person. Manners aren't my problem. My problem is the fact that I cannot speak to strangers without either some sort of business reason (for instance, if I was buying something from a sales clerk), or through a very strong mental effort. Especially attractive women. It's incredibly difficult.
My second problem, is that there is no place that I have yet found that I enjoy going where I can meet people. As such, I will not enjoy myself, and I will very seldom go out to the same place twice because it's simply a chore.
These are my problems. If you have concrete advice for overcoming them I haven't heard a dozen times before, I'm all ears.
I wouldn't expect to buy a new (well, new to me) car every year either; that's ridiculous. I do assure you that there's a middle ground between paying a third of the sticker price for that "new car smell" (given that the car loses a third of its value once driven off the dealer's lot) and having to get out and push half the time.
I suppose I just can't justify the up-front expense of getting a new (or newer) car. My history of car trouble in the seventy thousand miles or so I've owned a car has been (a) one of my tires blew out on the highway, (b) my fuel pump fell into the gas tank, requiring a trip to the mechanic, and... that's actually it. I routinely took 600 mile road trips in it, and I'd still be driving the first car if I hadn't gotten into an accident and had it crushed into a small metal cube.
How many tows or breakdowns have you had in your last seventy thousand miles?
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I have to say that I disagree with the whole premise of the original Times article...it seems to be suggesting that non-geek-girls should hook up with geeky guys.
"The caveat to mating with a geek, as some dating experts see it, is coming to terms with his less-than-studly looks and less-than-suave demeanor. All thoughts of embarrassment have to go out the window."
If you're a true geek, you wouldn't feel embarrassed by your mate's geekiness - you'd revel in it. And why would any savvy geek accept anything less than someone who "gets" them? If someone is "embarrassed" by your geekiness, then it's a sure sign that you should be suspicious of their motives and ask them sweetly to enjoy a long book of Vogon poetry.
I'd say that geeks belong with geeks. We understand each other and there's no need to pretend or put up with anything and we all can go see all the old Star Trek movies together - and enjoy it!
Live Long and Prosper!