Compare this it to Visual Studio (on MS-Windows) or Interface Builder (on MacOS X) which both generate binary resource files indicating how things should be laid out. With Interface Builder you design your GUI and then tell which are the handlers in the source code for handling the UI even.
Is that the same Visual Studio I am using? I have used Visual Studio 2003/2005 to create GUI's in C#.Net and it does not generate any resource files. It generates source code just like any other similar tool. Yes, there are resource files, but they don't contain the layout, nor are they binary, they are XML!
Maybe you are talking about C++ of which I don't have experience. Or maybe VB6?
In any case, I'd like all of my GUI to be in human readable code, thank you very much. Having binaries for such things is an incredibly stupid idea (except for things like images of course that need to be binary, but even then something like SVG is better).
Well, you could just buy a Mac.... It's more expensive, but so are wives... *sigh* (My motives for not buying a Mac were explained already)
Is there anyone that made a TCO study on wives versus girlfriends?
Funny thing is that I did just buy a Mac Pro to give it a fair try to see if I like it better than Linux and to replace a G4 Mac Mini that was too slow. But I'm spending so much time trying to get it setup to my satisfaction, getting things moved from my Linux machine, and learning how to use OS X properly, that my girlfriend is getting pissed that I'm spending so much time on it. Now I'm having a bit of buyers remorse (the Mac Pro was expensive) and wishing I had just bought a MacBook instead and kept using my Linux workstation as my main machine. I really got used to Linux and developed habits around it, and I'm actually missing it quite a bit. I'll eventually move my Linux setup to a VM, but that's another thing that is going to take time.
I guess when you get serious with a woman, time for hobbies shrinks closer and closer to zero. I'd also be interested in that TCO study:)
Wonder what percentage of the software downloaded via OSS P2P is actually Open Source itself?
I guess you wouldn't necessarily need to download software via P2P if it was actually free to begin with.
Granted, it is a smaller percentage, but in the case of Bittorrent it is being used more and more for legitimate software downloads. Bittorrent is really just another file transfer protocol that happens to be P2P. I download a lot of larger open source apps via P2P when I can because its generally faster, especially for new releases. Podcasts, especially video podcasts, are especially good to use Bittorrent for. Since it is subscription based, you have huge swarms trying to download the podcast at once, so Bittorrent is especially effective in that case.
I know, I know, you're going to blame my familiarity with Windows. I accept that, but if I want Linux "my way", I need to invest time in it. Time that my wife is going to complain about because I don't spend it with her.
Lesson learned: don't get married, it will turn you into a Windows user.
It is specifically with Courier IMAP, and it is using Maildir. I no longer have control over it since I switched to a hosting provider (Dreamhost) for IMAP. I had the same problem when I ran Courier w/ Maildir on my own server.
As I said, you're lucky if you haven't had problems. My problem is related to the IMAP server I am using (which I don't have control over since its hosted), but I don't know if its a problem with the server or Mail.app, but the simple fact of the matter is that all other mail clients I have tried "just works" and Mail.app doesn't. Here is the problem and workaround: http://www.inertramblings.com/2006/03/09/mailapp-a nd-courier-imap-the-message-could-not-be-saved/
Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't work that well, and is useless for 2 accounts.
Seems its a problem specific to Courier IMAP. I don't know if its a configuration issue or not. Maybe I will try it with a local Courier IMAP server I used to run before I switched to hosting (had the same problem with that one, though the workaround did work in that case). Have you had luck getting Mail.app working specifically with Courier?
Ubuntu, unlike ordinary Linux distros, uses Gnome as opposed to KDE (Fedora / Red Hat also uses Gnome, but they have tweaked it to look like KDE). And precisely because Ubuntu is easy enough for n00bs to use, you get n00bs using it. This in turn means that Ubuntu users comment like n00bs, because they are n00bs. Meanwhile, Debian users -- yes, Dorothy, there are people who use Debian for other purposes than basing a new distro on -- get the short end.
Saying it uses Gnome isn't a valid criticism. Some people actually *prefer* Gnome. I always try out KDE whenever there is a significant new release (looking forward to trying out 4.0), but always end up coming back to Gnome because I like it better. I have used KDE for long periods of time, and I like it and think it absolutely kicks ass, but there is just a few minor things that make me prefer Gnome. If anything I consider the two desktop environments equals. I can run KDE apps (even preloading the KDE libs if I want to), so what difference does it make?
In any case, you can always install KDE in Ubuntu, or use Kubuntu.
As for the noob Ubuntu users, I know what you're saying, but you'll find there are a lot of Ubuntu users who aren't noobs that are just a little less vocal about how good Ubuntu is (but still vocal). I've been using Linux since 1995, and my desktop distro of choice is Ubuntu at the moment (its always subject to change). Before Ubuntu I was using Debian unstable for several years. I'm just happy there is a Debian-based distro with a 6 month release cycle. The fact that they have made it easier to use is a bonus. I like my software to be easy to use and powerful. As a software developer, I have enough challenges that I don't need my OS to be challenging to use.
Perhaps you meant Mail(.app). In that case, I'd have to rate your opinion-making skills as "weak". Mail is way better than Thunderbird.
Ever use Mail.app for IMAP? For multiple IMAP accounts? If you didn't have problems with IMAP you are lucky.
I've used Mail.app for a while with IMAP. There were workarounds I had to do to get it to work with 1 account and that was problematic enough even after the workaround. With 2 accounts it was unusable.
I switched back to Thunderbird as well, at least it has working IMAP support. It also has a few features Mail.app doesn't have, like tags.
I'll give Mail.app another chance with Leopard. But until then, I'll have to agree with the other guy, Mail.app is weak.
I've wanted to use Linux for music and video production for ages.
That's why I own a Mac (for music and video production). Though I like Linux much much better for everything else, especially coding. I can run Linux in a VM, but it just feels wrong having Linux as the guest OS and not the host OS.
I like to avoid Windows entirely, and there aren't any apps on it that I care for (that I can't get for OS X), so fortunately I don't need to use Windows. But I do have a Win2k VM if necessary.
So everything you said was irrelevant. My bad. I thought you were trying to add to the discussion, instead you were bragging about your (COMPLETELY LAME) car.
"SSSSttthaaanks.. I do my part for mother earth. (snifffff)"
Where did I say I own one? I don't own a Prius (or any hybrid for that matter), though I've done plenty of research on it including renting and driving them. I'd take a Prius over a fucking Ford Explorer any day of the week, even if I had to pay $30k for one.
I think the OP's argument for owning an Explorer and not a hybrid are not particularly compelling (poor excuses rather than valid reasons). Sure, there are valid reasons, but he didn't list any.
For someone who posts as frequently as you do, I expected a better rip on the Prius than "COMPLETELY LAME". I mean, come on, you can do better than that. And, yeah, we've all seen that South Park episode.
In any case, the OP was talking about Atlanta where my comments about air pollution would apply.
If it has an electric drive train, then yes it does mean no stick, other than maybe stop, forward and backwards. You are correct though they could create a gas/electric hybrid that has a typical standard/automatic drive train. When they say hybrid it could be any of a variety of configurations.
The Honda Insight and the earlier Honda Civic had manual transmissions. Of course that is an "assist" type hybrid and does not run on the electric motor alone. Those options are no longer available in the Civic, and the Insight has been discontinued. We'll see if they reintroduce these options in the future.
100% is a lofty goal. Is that just cars or does it include trucks & SUV's too?
Why not trucks and SUV's? It's easier to fit batteries into larger vehicles than it is smaller vehicles. There are already a number of hybrid SUV's on the market or that will be on the market soon.
Personally I think a truck hybrid is a no-brainer.
agreed. I had a stick hybrid. and IF I ever buy another hybrid, it's gonna be a stick again. Any car I get into that's not a stick never feels quite right.
I thought Honda discountinued their manual stick-shift hybrids and only do autos with the current hybrid models. That can change in the future, I suppose, since they are coming out with a replacement for the Insight in 2009. Especially if hybrids get really popular they may offer options for transmissions again.
With Toyota's hybrid system, a stick shift isn't even a possibility because there are no gears (or rather, only one gear).
I'm not sure about the other hybrids out there if they are offering manual transmissions.
I don't live in that city, neither does the large majority of the American population.
Why does the farmer in Oklahoma have to drive the same vehicle as the hippie in LA?
That's why I was talking about MY city, dipshit. Not everyone's situation is the same. And I don't live in California.
OT, I'd love to see the clown-car prius with 5 guys and their bikes riding inside.
If you have 5 guys in a Prius, you would use a bike rack to hold the bikes (not inside). Which you would have understood if you had read my posts in this thread.
On the terrain which the Hummer is designed to cover, there is little that will outhandle it. Or actually be able to cover it without being destroyed in one way or another. The Hummer is designed for sand and brush at relatively high speeds.
True, but most people with Hummers are not using it for those purposes.
So because you can understand the sports car, that's okay, but the Hummer is wrong?
Pre-C5 Corvettes and all Vipers handle like dogshit... are those not okay because they don't handle?
I would say, even though I understand why people buy sports cars, they should take one for the team and get a low-emission vehicle for their next car purchase, as should everyone who is in the position to do this.
With Hummers, I just don't understand why anyone would want one, unless they are seriously using it for its purpose which most of them aren't. Even if they are, they should have another low-emission vehicle for city driving. Most people are just commuting to work in these things (especially those that bought them as company vehicles to get a tax break).
Then there is the whole H2 thing, but I think the rest of this thread has that covered.
Wondering if you are just trolling here, I looked at your comment history and discovered you are disbeliever of the whole man-made global warming thing. That's fine, I'm actually a skeptic of that myself. But with vehicle emissions I am more worried about local air pollution than a global threat. I live in a city that does have poor air, and in these areas we do need vehicles that produce lower emissions. In my city at least half the people here drive huge trucks or SUVs so its especially disgusting.
I just priced the touring model at Edmunds with all the stuff *I* want, and it came to just under $30k
I don't understand how you are getting it to $30k. As in my other reply, I priced it on Edmunds with the most expensive package (#6) along with the touring edition and it wasn't even close to $30k. What other options are you adding?
I don't have student discounts, or anything, and I do have to transport 5 adults or near adults, plus associated impedimenta. No folding or spindling of seats or passengers allowed.
The Prius is not a small car and 5 tall adults fit easily. I'm 6'3" and I have room to spare in the back seat, even with the front seat pushed all the way back. Trunk space is not huge, but its adequate.
You can install a trailer hitch for use with a bike rack.
If you actually care about emissions, there is of course SUV hybrids that are available now or will be available soon. The Prius is not the only option and if you must drive an SUV, a hybrid SUV is a great compromise.
On carmax.com, right now, I can buy a two-year-old Ford Explorer, nicely equipped, for @22k. A decently-equipped Prius (sorry, no hairshirt for me) is going to run around $30k. There are no second-hand Prii for sale at Carmax.
Who is paying $30k for a Prius these days? A fully loaded Prius (Touring edition w/ Package #6) has a MSRP of $27,865, invoice of $21,791, and Edmunds says people are currently paying $26,497. There was even a $2000 rebate on that package last month (don't know if its still available). How can you compare the price of a two year old car with a new car? Carmax in my area has used Priuses. There is a 2005 model for about $22k. Maybe this is just a problem with your area.
Paying $8k more for a car with a much smaller load-carrying capacity doesn't cut it for me. I can offset current spending on gasoline against the principal and interest on $8k, and easily carry five people, all their luggage, and four bikes to the beach (e.g., Atlanta to Pensacola), and know that the technology under me is fairly well-understood and easily-maintainable.
Does that scenario (5 people and four bikes) actually occur very often? If not, you can always rent a larger vehicle when you really need to do that. The Prius is not a small car, and can actually fit quite a bit of cargo. You can fit 2 people + 2 bikes easily and that's IN the car, no bike carier. Five very tall people will have no problem fitting (the rear seating is very spacious), and with a bike rack you could do 4 bikes with no problem. There is even a trailer hitch available that will support a bike rack. It's not the monstrosity that an Explorer is, but it does have a very usable cargo area.
My next car will be an Explorer as well.
And you next car, unless its a hybrid or uses alternative fuels, will probably put out 10-11 tons of greenhouse gases a year (compared to the 3.4 tons a Prius puts out). See this site: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/bymakemodel NF.shtml
Maybe it's a geek thing you guys have goin on, but I have no flippin' idea what kinda mileage my non-hybrid car gets. I mean, seriously - who the heck cares? I get regular maintenance, make sure the tires are inflated, and fill it up when its low on gas. What exactly would I do with this mileage number if I took the time and effort to log my miles at every fillup? Brag about it? Post it on slashdot? Worry about why it is 5mpg below what was on the sticker? I have better things to do with my time.
Well for one thing, I want to make sure there is nothing wrong with my car that I am getting much worse mileage than expected. I don't check it every time, but I do check it periodically to make sure its consistent. I also care about the environmental effect, so I want to make sure my car isn't burning up excess gas and thus putting out more emissions than it normally should. Sure, regular maintenance should take care of most things, but other things can and do go wrong with peoples' vehicles that adversely affect their fuel consumption.
I mean, is it really that hard to divide two numbers with a calculator? Does it really take that much of your time to write down your miles traveled on your gas receipt and then calculate it later with a calculator? It takes me all of 30 seconds maybe. Is 30 seconds really such a huge chunk of your important time?
No, it is simply a matter of some people loving driving, especially at high speed. Goddamn boring worker bees/drones can just take the bus/subway/etc. It is something I love in life. Given the choice I prefer to drive my sports car, I don't care about the cost.
The discussion was about Hummers which are definitely not fast cars and handle like shit. I can understand the appeal of a fast sports car, but not a Hummer.
I thought the key to getting good mileage with a hybrid was understanding how to drive it properly and, when that was done, folks were getting close to the listed mileage.
The current (old) EPA tests are flawed in that they give hybrids an unfair advantage and aren't realistic. The simple fact of the matter is that the current EPA tests are far from real-world driving conditions. The new tests will be closer to real-world and will cause lower MPG numbers for ALL cars.
Yes, you can get better mileage in a hybrid (or any car) by driving to maximize MPG (and with special techniques for a car like the Prius), but the EPA numbers were just unrealistic for real-world driving, even with a little bit of effort to improve MPG.
60 MPG for the Prius for city driving is just way off. There may be a few people who can get 60 on occasion, but they have their tires inflated near maximum, they drive on flat terrain only, use the "Pulse and Glide" technique frequently (which is a nuisance if done in traffic), and drive dangerously slow. The EPA tests should reflect what normal drives do, not people obsessed with their MPG numbers.
My take on it is he isn't going to allow Dell to preload WINE AND Windows software. So you can't get a Ubuntu Dell preloaded with, say, Microsoft Office running in WINE (if that even works). I'm not sure I understand how he will control what Dell does, maybe the agreement they have gives him that control.
I can't imagine that it won't be available as a package. I really see this only as something to do with what is preloaded on the machine and probably what is supported.
That is GAIM, version 1.5 of this project. We're talking about Pidgen, version 2.0 of the same. I don't think there is any version of Pidgen yet available. In any case, yeah it would be nice if it supported all three major desktop OS's with their native UIs.
Ah, my bad. Though I don't see why you can't build Pidgin on the Mac (if someone hasn't already). The wiki page says it runs on the Mac (in X11 of course).
Expecting the Gaim developers to write native UI's would be a bit much considering its a GTK+ app and that is what the developers' backgrounds probably are in (as well as the existing codebase). GTK+ for Windows works great and is integrated well, that's why Pidgin in Windows works well and I see no reason to make that native when it looks and acts completely like a native app. OS X is different enough that what you'd really need is a GTK+ version that is specifically integrated with OS X's native GUI (rather than X11). That would be nice, but is no small undertaking.
OS X is different enough that its just rare that you have a cross-platform app that is well-integrated and behaves like a normal native OS X app. I mean look at Firefox, it took them quite a while to get it to where it is on OS X, and it still kinda sucks. And no, I don't want to use Camino (or Safari), I want to use Firefox.
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I thought it supported Jabber? Then again, I haven't used Trillian since version 0.60something...
The Pro version does support Jabber, which costs $25.
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Compare this it to Visual Studio (on MS-Windows) or Interface Builder (on MacOS X) which both generate binary resource files indicating how things should be laid out. With Interface Builder you design your GUI and then tell which are the handlers in the source code for handling the UI even.
Is that the same Visual Studio I am using? I have used Visual Studio 2003/2005 to create GUI's in C#.Net and it does not generate any resource files. It generates source code just like any other similar tool. Yes, there are resource files, but they don't contain the layout, nor are they binary, they are XML!
Maybe you are talking about C++ of which I don't have experience. Or maybe VB6?
In any case, I'd like all of my GUI to be in human readable code, thank you very much. Having binaries for such things is an incredibly stupid idea (except for things like images of course that need to be binary, but even then something like SVG is better).
Well, you could just buy a Mac.... It's more expensive, but so are wives... *sigh* (My motives for not buying a Mac were explained already)
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Is there anyone that made a TCO study on wives versus girlfriends?
Funny thing is that I did just buy a Mac Pro to give it a fair try to see if I like it better than Linux and to replace a G4 Mac Mini that was too slow. But I'm spending so much time trying to get it setup to my satisfaction, getting things moved from my Linux machine, and learning how to use OS X properly, that my girlfriend is getting pissed that I'm spending so much time on it. Now I'm having a bit of buyers remorse (the Mac Pro was expensive) and wishing I had just bought a MacBook instead and kept using my Linux workstation as my main machine. I really got used to Linux and developed habits around it, and I'm actually missing it quite a bit. I'll eventually move my Linux setup to a VM, but that's another thing that is going to take time.
I guess when you get serious with a woman, time for hobbies shrinks closer and closer to zero. I'd also be interested in that TCO study
Wonder what percentage of the software downloaded via OSS P2P is actually Open Source itself?
I guess you wouldn't necessarily need to download software via P2P if it was actually free to begin with.
Granted, it is a smaller percentage, but in the case of Bittorrent it is being used more and more for legitimate software downloads. Bittorrent is really just another file transfer protocol that happens to be P2P. I download a lot of larger open source apps via P2P when I can because its generally faster, especially for new releases. Podcasts, especially video podcasts, are especially good to use Bittorrent for. Since it is subscription based, you have huge swarms trying to download the podcast at once, so Bittorrent is especially effective in that case.
I know, I know, you're going to blame my familiarity with Windows. I accept that, but if I want Linux "my way", I need to invest time in it. Time that my wife is going to complain about because I don't spend it with her.
Lesson learned: don't get married, it will turn you into a Windows user.
I am dumping my girlfriend as we speak.
I'm not sure that is the same issue I am having. Here is the issue and workaround: http://www.inertramblings.com/2006/03/09/mailapp-a nd-courier-imap-the-message-could-not-be-saved/
It is specifically with Courier IMAP, and it is using Maildir. I no longer have control over it since I switched to a hosting provider (Dreamhost) for IMAP. I had the same problem when I ran Courier w/ Maildir on my own server.
What IMAP server do you use?
As I said, you're lucky if you haven't had problems. My problem is related to the IMAP server I am using (which I don't have control over since its hosted), but I don't know if its a problem with the server or Mail.app, but the simple fact of the matter is that all other mail clients I have tried "just works" and Mail.app doesn't. Here is the problem and workaround: http://www.inertramblings.com/2006/03/09/mailapp-a nd-courier-imap-the-message-could-not-be-saved/
Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't work that well, and is useless for 2 accounts.
Seems its a problem specific to Courier IMAP. I don't know if its a configuration issue or not. Maybe I will try it with a local Courier IMAP server I used to run before I switched to hosting (had the same problem with that one, though the workaround did work in that case). Have you had luck getting Mail.app working specifically with Courier?
Ubuntu, unlike ordinary Linux distros, uses Gnome as opposed to KDE (Fedora / Red Hat also uses Gnome, but they have tweaked it to look like KDE). And precisely because Ubuntu is easy enough for n00bs to use, you get n00bs using it. This in turn means that Ubuntu users comment like n00bs, because they are n00bs. Meanwhile, Debian users -- yes, Dorothy, there are people who use Debian for other purposes than basing a new distro on -- get the short end.
Saying it uses Gnome isn't a valid criticism. Some people actually *prefer* Gnome. I always try out KDE whenever there is a significant new release (looking forward to trying out 4.0), but always end up coming back to Gnome because I like it better. I have used KDE for long periods of time, and I like it and think it absolutely kicks ass, but there is just a few minor things that make me prefer Gnome. If anything I consider the two desktop environments equals. I can run KDE apps (even preloading the KDE libs if I want to), so what difference does it make?
In any case, you can always install KDE in Ubuntu, or use Kubuntu.
As for the noob Ubuntu users, I know what you're saying, but you'll find there are a lot of Ubuntu users who aren't noobs that are just a little less vocal about how good Ubuntu is (but still vocal). I've been using Linux since 1995, and my desktop distro of choice is Ubuntu at the moment (its always subject to change). Before Ubuntu I was using Debian unstable for several years. I'm just happy there is a Debian-based distro with a 6 month release cycle. The fact that they have made it easier to use is a bonus. I like my software to be easy to use and powerful. As a software developer, I have enough challenges that I don't need my OS to be challenging to use.
Perhaps you meant Mail(.app). In that case, I'd have to rate your opinion-making skills as "weak". Mail is way better than Thunderbird.
Ever use Mail.app for IMAP? For multiple IMAP accounts? If you didn't have problems with IMAP you are lucky.
I've used Mail.app for a while with IMAP. There were workarounds I had to do to get it to work with 1 account and that was problematic enough even after the workaround. With 2 accounts it was unusable.
I switched back to Thunderbird as well, at least it has working IMAP support. It also has a few features Mail.app doesn't have, like tags.
I'll give Mail.app another chance with Leopard. But until then, I'll have to agree with the other guy, Mail.app is weak.
I've wanted to use Linux for music and video production for ages.
That's why I own a Mac (for music and video production). Though I like Linux much much better for everything else, especially coding. I can run Linux in a VM, but it just feels wrong having Linux as the guest OS and not the host OS.
I like to avoid Windows entirely, and there aren't any apps on it that I care for (that I can't get for OS X), so fortunately I don't need to use Windows. But I do have a Win2k VM if necessary.
So everything you said was irrelevant. My bad. I thought you were trying to add to the discussion, instead you were bragging about your (COMPLETELY LAME) car.
"SSSSttthaaanks.. I do my part for mother earth. (snifffff)"
Where did I say I own one? I don't own a Prius (or any hybrid for that matter), though I've done plenty of research on it including renting and driving them. I'd take a Prius over a fucking Ford Explorer any day of the week, even if I had to pay $30k for one.
I think the OP's argument for owning an Explorer and not a hybrid are not particularly compelling (poor excuses rather than valid reasons). Sure, there are valid reasons, but he didn't list any.
For someone who posts as frequently as you do, I expected a better rip on the Prius than "COMPLETELY LAME". I mean, come on, you can do better than that. And, yeah, we've all seen that South Park episode.
In any case, the OP was talking about Atlanta where my comments about air pollution would apply.
If it has an electric drive train, then yes it does mean no stick, other than maybe stop, forward and backwards. You are correct though they could create a gas/electric hybrid that has a typical standard/automatic drive train. When they say hybrid it could be any of a variety of configurations.
The Honda Insight and the earlier Honda Civic had manual transmissions. Of course that is an "assist" type hybrid and does not run on the electric motor alone. Those options are no longer available in the Civic, and the Insight has been discontinued. We'll see if they reintroduce these options in the future.
100% is a lofty goal. Is that just cars or does it include trucks & SUV's too?
Why not trucks and SUV's? It's easier to fit batteries into larger vehicles than it is smaller vehicles. There are already a number of hybrid SUV's on the market or that will be on the market soon.
Personally I think a truck hybrid is a no-brainer.
agreed. I had a stick hybrid. and IF I ever buy another hybrid, it's gonna be a stick again. Any car I get into that's not a stick never feels quite right.
I thought Honda discountinued their manual stick-shift hybrids and only do autos with the current hybrid models. That can change in the future, I suppose, since they are coming out with a replacement for the Insight in 2009. Especially if hybrids get really popular they may offer options for transmissions again.
With Toyota's hybrid system, a stick shift isn't even a possibility because there are no gears (or rather, only one gear).
I'm not sure about the other hybrids out there if they are offering manual transmissions.
I don't live in that city, neither does the large majority of the American population.
Why does the farmer in Oklahoma have to drive the same vehicle as the hippie in LA?
That's why I was talking about MY city, dipshit. Not everyone's situation is the same. And I don't live in California.
OT, I'd love to see the clown-car prius with 5 guys and their bikes riding inside.
If you have 5 guys in a Prius, you would use a bike rack to hold the bikes (not inside). Which you would have understood if you had read my posts in this thread.
On the terrain which the Hummer is designed to cover, there is little that will outhandle it. Or actually be able to cover it without being destroyed in one way or another. The Hummer is designed for sand and brush at relatively high speeds.
True, but most people with Hummers are not using it for those purposes.
So because you can understand the sports car, that's okay, but the Hummer is wrong?
Pre-C5 Corvettes and all Vipers handle like dogshit... are those not okay because they don't handle?
I would say, even though I understand why people buy sports cars, they should take one for the team and get a low-emission vehicle for their next car purchase, as should everyone who is in the position to do this.
With Hummers, I just don't understand why anyone would want one, unless they are seriously using it for its purpose which most of them aren't. Even if they are, they should have another low-emission vehicle for city driving. Most people are just commuting to work in these things (especially those that bought them as company vehicles to get a tax break).
Then there is the whole H2 thing, but I think the rest of this thread has that covered.
Wondering if you are just trolling here, I looked at your comment history and discovered you are disbeliever of the whole man-made global warming thing. That's fine, I'm actually a skeptic of that myself. But with vehicle emissions I am more worried about local air pollution than a global threat. I live in a city that does have poor air, and in these areas we do need vehicles that produce lower emissions. In my city at least half the people here drive huge trucks or SUVs so its especially disgusting.
I just priced the touring model at Edmunds with all the stuff *I* want, and it came to just under $30k
I don't understand how you are getting it to $30k. As in my other reply, I priced it on Edmunds with the most expensive package (#6) along with the touring edition and it wasn't even close to $30k. What other options are you adding?
I don't have student discounts, or anything, and I do have to transport 5 adults or near adults, plus associated impedimenta. No folding or spindling of seats or passengers allowed.
The Prius is not a small car and 5 tall adults fit easily. I'm 6'3" and I have room to spare in the back seat, even with the front seat pushed all the way back. Trunk space is not huge, but its adequate.
You can install a trailer hitch for use with a bike rack.
If you actually care about emissions, there is of course SUV hybrids that are available now or will be available soon. The Prius is not the only option and if you must drive an SUV, a hybrid SUV is a great compromise.
On carmax.com, right now, I can buy a two-year-old Ford Explorer, nicely equipped, for @22k. A decently-equipped Prius (sorry, no hairshirt for me) is going to run around $30k. There are no second-hand Prii for sale at Carmax.
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Who is paying $30k for a Prius these days? A fully loaded Prius (Touring edition w/ Package #6) has a MSRP of $27,865, invoice of $21,791, and Edmunds says people are currently paying $26,497. There was even a $2000 rebate on that package last month (don't know if its still available). How can you compare the price of a two year old car with a new car? Carmax in my area has used Priuses. There is a 2005 model for about $22k. Maybe this is just a problem with your area.
Paying $8k more for a car with a much smaller load-carrying capacity doesn't cut it for me. I can offset current spending on gasoline against the principal and interest on $8k, and easily carry five people, all their luggage, and four bikes to the beach (e.g., Atlanta to Pensacola), and know that the technology under me is fairly well-understood and easily-maintainable.
Does that scenario (5 people and four bikes) actually occur very often? If not, you can always rent a larger vehicle when you really need to do that. The Prius is not a small car, and can actually fit quite a bit of cargo. You can fit 2 people + 2 bikes easily and that's IN the car, no bike carier. Five very tall people will have no problem fitting (the rear seating is very spacious), and with a bike rack you could do 4 bikes with no problem. There is even a trailer hitch available that will support a bike rack. It's not the monstrosity that an Explorer is, but it does have a very usable cargo area.
My next car will be an Explorer as well.
And you next car, unless its a hybrid or uses alternative fuels, will probably put out 10-11 tons of greenhouse gases a year (compared to the 3.4 tons a Prius puts out). See this site: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/bymakemode
Maybe it's a geek thing you guys have goin on, but I have no flippin' idea what kinda mileage my non-hybrid car gets. I mean, seriously - who the heck cares? I get regular maintenance, make sure the tires are inflated, and fill it up when its low on gas. What exactly would I do with this mileage number if I took the time and effort to log my miles at every fillup? Brag about it? Post it on slashdot? Worry about why it is 5mpg below what was on the sticker? I have better things to do with my time.
Well for one thing, I want to make sure there is nothing wrong with my car that I am getting much worse mileage than expected. I don't check it every time, but I do check it periodically to make sure its consistent. I also care about the environmental effect, so I want to make sure my car isn't burning up excess gas and thus putting out more emissions than it normally should. Sure, regular maintenance should take care of most things, but other things can and do go wrong with peoples' vehicles that adversely affect their fuel consumption.
I mean, is it really that hard to divide two numbers with a calculator? Does it really take that much of your time to write down your miles traveled on your gas receipt and then calculate it later with a calculator? It takes me all of 30 seconds maybe. Is 30 seconds really such a huge chunk of your important time?
No, it is simply a matter of some people loving driving, especially at high speed. Goddamn boring worker bees/drones can just take the bus/subway/etc. It is something I love in life. Given the choice I prefer to drive my sports car, I don't care about the cost.
The discussion was about Hummers which are definitely not fast cars and handle like shit. I can understand the appeal of a fast sports car, but not a Hummer.
I thought the key to getting good mileage with a hybrid was understanding how to drive it properly and, when that was done, folks were getting close to the listed mileage.
The current (old) EPA tests are flawed in that they give hybrids an unfair advantage and aren't realistic. The simple fact of the matter is that the current EPA tests are far from real-world driving conditions. The new tests will be closer to real-world and will cause lower MPG numbers for ALL cars.
Yes, you can get better mileage in a hybrid (or any car) by driving to maximize MPG (and with special techniques for a car like the Prius), but the EPA numbers were just unrealistic for real-world driving, even with a little bit of effort to improve MPG.
60 MPG for the Prius for city driving is just way off. There may be a few people who can get 60 on occasion, but they have their tires inflated near maximum, they drive on flat terrain only, use the "Pulse and Glide" technique frequently (which is a nuisance if done in traffic), and drive dangerously slow. The EPA tests should reflect what normal drives do, not people obsessed with their MPG numbers.
You are not looking in the right forums if you think there aren't any Intel zealots.
My take on it is he isn't going to allow Dell to preload WINE AND Windows software. So you can't get a Ubuntu Dell preloaded with, say, Microsoft Office running in WINE (if that even works). I'm not sure I understand how he will control what Dell does, maybe the agreement they have gives him that control.
I can't imagine that it won't be available as a package. I really see this only as something to do with what is preloaded on the machine and probably what is supported.
That is GAIM, version 1.5 of this project. We're talking about Pidgen, version 2.0 of the same. I don't think there is any version of Pidgen yet available. In any case, yeah it would be nice if it supported all three major desktop OS's with their native UIs.
Ah, my bad. Though I don't see why you can't build Pidgin on the Mac (if someone hasn't already). The wiki page says it runs on the Mac (in X11 of course).
Expecting the Gaim developers to write native UI's would be a bit much considering its a GTK+ app and that is what the developers' backgrounds probably are in (as well as the existing codebase). GTK+ for Windows works great and is integrated well, that's why Pidgin in Windows works well and I see no reason to make that native when it looks and acts completely like a native app. OS X is different enough that what you'd really need is a GTK+ version that is specifically integrated with OS X's native GUI (rather than X11). That would be nice, but is no small undertaking.
OS X is different enough that its just rare that you have a cross-platform app that is well-integrated and behaves like a normal native OS X app. I mean look at Firefox, it took them quite a while to get it to where it is on OS X, and it still kinda sucks. And no, I don't want to use Camino (or Safari), I want to use Firefox.
I thought it supported Jabber? Then again, I haven't used Trillian since version 0.60something...
The Pro version does support Jabber, which costs $25.