Explain me why the Maritime & Coastguard Agency, or British Airways, or even the Australian Railcorp connects their computers to the global network we call the internet ? Explain me why they use an untested system (Windows) to operate potentially life-threatening services ?
This is downright stupid. This is not your mom and pop shop we're talking about. These are agencies, corporations, that should have security of their people or the people they serve as their first rule. You do not put in operation a system that you haven't tested for failure. There are well-known procedures to implement safety testing. I really think that the persons responsible for these systems should be at least fired, if not put on trial. This guy didn't put bricks on the track, didn't try to put a bomb in a plane, things that are clearly difficult to avoid by applying well-known methods. However, safety-testing of a computer system is possible and relatively easy, if you're not trying to be the cheapest. When I board a train I expect the wheels are checked regularly, the structure won't collapse from vibrations. We should also expect the computer system not to collapse without serious reasons.
As much as I'd like that to be possible, I really doubt it. Don't underestimate the level of moral corruption of those people sitting in Brussels. If they can sit on the parliament's decisions on software patents, I doubt they're going to have the balls to stand up to MS.
- First point, the expression: to be out on a limb isolated être isolé vulnerable être dans une situation délicate
(tiré du Grand Robert & Collins Electronique)
- Second point: you must be new here. This discussion is quite courteous, especially compared to what one could read about France on/. around 2 years ago.
- Third point: I'd wager those guys made a bet on publishing a stupid paper.
Baaaaahhh ! Come on ! I'm *also* French, but I actually live abroad since many years (and have been in different European countries), so maybe I have a better clue. The only people who believe their country is the most chauvinistic are really those who have not been abroad for a long time and cannot speak the language of the country they're in. Otherwise they'd quite get that people are not that much different in their way of thinking, at least accross Europe (indeed I believe all over the world). They'd read the local press, hear the local people, and see for themselves that the only real difference is that the French are just more *vocal*, so they chauvinism tends to show more.
On the contrary, I have a tendency to think that the French are the most self-flogging people on the planet (although some other countries are quite good at it too) ! It doesn't preclude being chauvinistic, however, I still haven't found a country with such a high level of pessimism about itself.
After reading your blurb on your website, I was thinking that if you are planning to reinstall Tiger, you really should do a personalized install, where you can chose which languages and printer drivers you want or not.
Well, I was assuming he was talking about recent movies. Of course, if you're talking about old or unsuccessful movies, then that is the case everywhere (and I'd venture in saying it's probably the case in the US as well). Currently I live in Denmark, and I recently bought "Citizen Kane" and "Dune" for less than 5 euros each. But really, I wouldn't generalize in saying that all DVDs sold in Denmark are cheaply made, have no bonus and no CSS, as it is definitely not the case.
Actually, you didn't offend me a single bit;-)
However, I felt the need to answer this post particularly (usually, I don't care that much about french bashing here, it's just too common - and yes I got it that you weren't bashing anybody), because it went a bit too far into the realm of conspiracy. You forgot about the Occam Razor, no need to find a complicated explanation: these discussions about copyright and "stealing" are all over in the western world, and all "customers" are getting (either consciously or subconsciously) pissed at the attitude of the content producers. The battle is fierce, rulings are sometimes against the consumer, sometimes for him (a few cases recently). But the main battle is in the media: content producers (music, movies, books) are very effective in their use of the media, and instill the ideas that you are not allowed to share, although it is one of the most natural things to do. And already I can see people having these unnatural ideas well inside their heads. A judge, putting some sanity into this, and applying the law, and only the law, is a very good thing, and is enough of an explanation to me.
Now onto this specific case, seen from France: the french movie industry was in a bad shape in the 80s, and was probably going to totally collapse like many of its neighbors', without the help it got (and not only state help, far from it, there's been a lot of private investments). It is true that there has been a lot of discussions about "countering" the American culture, about 15 years ago, and some kind of stupid fear than French culture would be completely assimilated (the French especially like to self-depreciate and are quite pessimistic, it's a very common French trait). However, I can assure you that nobody in France is currently afraid about having too many American movies on the market. The French movie industry is indeed healthy now, and has its fair share of bad movies (really, do not think that we don't have utterly stupid and bad movies, we have a lot of them, a huge majority indeed: it's not like the French have a special gift from God so that they produce only good movies). Therefore, given that there is currently no fear about American movies in France, I do not see a judge being so much into "getting those Yankees". Quod erat demonstrandum;-)
Oh yes, indeed, informative !
NOT !
I don't know on which flea market you bought your DVDs, but if you buy them at the legal resellers, they cost more than 10(??), and they definitely have CSS, and all the pizzaz come along too.
Oh, and by the way, it's a long time that Indo-China isn't a french colony anymore;-)
By the way, concerning this Yahoo! trial about nazi stuff, former Yahoo! CEO has been cleared of charges a few weeks ago. I submitted the story, but maybe my writing was shitty, or maybe the/. editors had a lot of slashvertisement to post that day.
Every morning, 60 million Frenchmen wake up and think about how they can annoy the Americans. Every single day of their lives. Even before taking their first glass of wine and heading to the bakery to get their freshly-baked baguette. This is really their single most important duty to fulfill every day.
Yes, I know it sounds stupid, but you guys here on/. make it sound like we have nothing else to do of our time than to think about the mighty US of America, how to annoy it, how to counter it. Believe it or not, it happens sometimes that we have ideas, rules, laws of our own, that are not just there to be "against" the US.
And by the way, even though you almost never see them in the US, there is actually a lot of movies produced in France. This ruling is going mostly to piss off the french movie producers. And there is absolutely no need for a "hidden agenda" to explain it.
There's a very simple explanation: you don't want people to eject the floppy while the system reads or writes to it. Especially, if, like on the first Macs, you actually load the system from a floppy. Letting the system manage the ejection of floppies (instead of the hurried user) was a simple way to avoid problems, loss of data, system crash, you name it.
Besides, one of the first times I encountered a floppy was sometime in the eighties on a friend's Commodore or Amiga. Believe me, he didn't like when I pushed the little button to eject the floppy while the system was writing to it. But for me, I had no clue the system was still using the floppy. All in all, the ejection of floppies on a Mac is surely unnatural, but is not something totally stupid as PC zealots would want you to believe.
Interesting question, as with 10.3, you get iPhoto 2, iMovie 3 (not totally sure it's this version though) and iTunes, but not the latest version of the iLife apps. So one might wonder if they'll still ship iPhoto 2 with Tiger, as that would spoil the experience a bit.
However, I doubt very much that you'll get GarageBand or iDVD with Tiger, as those were never free in the past.
Come on ! This is clearly a case where the guy's thought was ahead of his typing, so he typed Mac instead of Apple just because he was already thinking about the Macs he mentioned a few words later (of course he didn't bother to re-read what he wrote, or preview). Don't tell me it never happens to you !
Besides, it happens that people refer to Microsoft as "Windows".
Apple has a habit of providing security updates (among them the ones related to web browsing) both for Panther and Jaguar. Your post is misleading. And the latest iTunes is available for OX 10.1.5 onwards.
And for the OS updates not being worth the price, this is your own opinion. A lot of people have the opposite.
By reading this document, one learns that the guy was convicted for counterfeiting ("Guillermito est déclaré coupable de contrefaçon").
He won't even have to pay the fine (-> deferred sentence). The judge showed a lot of comprehension towards Guillermito, indeed. However, the full reasons are not disclosed as the judgment is not published yet (the court is late). Apparently reverse-engineering is only allowed if you own a legal copy of the software. So he was convicted for reverse-engineering a piece of code he wasn't entitled to use.
To the interpretation of the French account I referred to above, why Guillermito was probably convicted is that he used a pirated version of the Viguard anti-virus software for his research. It is questionable if the same outcome would be reached if a legimite version had been used.
These court papers are quite interesting. Apparently, one thing that Apple is worried about is the competition getting their hand on Tiger pre-releases, as they state:
"Maintaining pre-release software as a trade-secret is essential to Apple's ability to compete in the markets for personal computer hardware and software. If Apple's competitors had access to Apple's Pre-Release software, those competitors could benefit economically from the knowledge gained from that access by directing their development or marketing efforts to frustrate Apple's plans." (this is on page 5, point 18)
Now, I would understand this if they were actually not providing pre-release software to anybody. But really, what stops any Microsoft employee from getting into the ADC and distributing it to the Longhorn development team ? Does Apple have a list of all Microsoft employees so that they can prevent them from entering the ADC ? I'm puzzled...
I'm surprised that nobody took the time to browse around the website where the pdf is. If you go to the front page of Think Computer Corp., you find a link to a press release telling that the flaws have been fixed.
Obviously the guy didn't publish the pdf before ensuring that all was well.
Well, I hook my PowerBook everyday to the network here at work, and I exchange constantly files between it and the P4-2.6 GHz Windows desktop. Be it by ssh'ing into the PB from the desktop or smb'ing from the PB to the desktop. You could also activate the FTP server on the Mac and use your prefered FTP-client on the PC. Or even activate "Windows sharing" on the Mac and make it an smb server. All this is simply done by clicking in checkboxes in OS X's sharing preference pane.
Sometimes I even use the PB's keyboard and mouse to access the desktop's screen 1m away with osx2x and VNC.
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So what ?
Explain me why the Maritime & Coastguard Agency, or British Airways, or even the Australian Railcorp connects their computers to the global network we call the internet ? Explain me why they use an untested system (Windows) to operate potentially life-threatening services ?
This is downright stupid. This is not your mom and pop shop we're talking about. These are agencies, corporations, that should have security of their people or the people they serve as their first rule. You do not put in operation a system that you haven't tested for failure. There are well-known procedures to implement safety testing. I really think that the persons responsible for these systems should be at least fired, if not put on trial. This guy didn't put bricks on the track, didn't try to put a bomb in a plane, things that are clearly difficult to avoid by applying well-known methods. However, safety-testing of a computer system is possible and relatively easy, if you're not trying to be the cheapest. When I board a train I expect the wheels are checked regularly, the structure won't collapse from vibrations. We should also expect the computer system not to collapse without serious reasons.
As much as I'd like that to be possible, I really doubt it. Don't underestimate the level of moral corruption of those people sitting in Brussels. If they can sit on the parliament's decisions on software patents, I doubt they're going to have the balls to stand up to MS.
- First point, the expression: /. around 2 years ago.
to be out on a limb
isolated être isolé
vulnerable être dans une situation délicate
(tiré du Grand Robert & Collins Electronique)
- Second point: you must be new here. This discussion is quite courteous, especially compared to what one could read about France on
- Third point: I'd wager those guys made a bet on publishing a stupid paper.
Baaaaahhh ! Come on ! I'm *also* French, but I actually live abroad since many years (and have been in different European countries), so maybe I have a better clue. The only people who believe their country is the most chauvinistic are really those who have not been abroad for a long time and cannot speak the language of the country they're in. Otherwise they'd quite get that people are not that much different in their way of thinking, at least accross Europe (indeed I believe all over the world). They'd read the local press, hear the local people, and see for themselves that the only real difference is that the French are just more *vocal*, so they chauvinism tends to show more.
On the contrary, I have a tendency to think that the French are the most self-flogging people on the planet (although some other countries are quite good at it too) ! It doesn't preclude being chauvinistic, however, I still haven't found a country with such a high level of pessimism about itself.
After reading your blurb on your website, I was thinking that if you are planning to reinstall Tiger, you really should do a personalized install, where you can chose which languages and printer drivers you want or not.
Well, I was assuming he was talking about recent movies. Of course, if you're talking about old or unsuccessful movies, then that is the case everywhere (and I'd venture in saying it's probably the case in the US as well). Currently I live in Denmark, and I recently bought "Citizen Kane" and "Dune" for less than 5 euros each. But really, I wouldn't generalize in saying that all DVDs sold in Denmark are cheaply made, have no bonus and no CSS, as it is definitely not the case.
You damn Anglo-Saxon pigs, I fart in your general direction !
If I offended you, then I apologize.
;-)
;-)
Actually, you didn't offend me a single bit
However, I felt the need to answer this post particularly (usually, I don't care that much about french bashing here, it's just too common - and yes I got it that you weren't bashing anybody), because it went a bit too far into the realm of conspiracy. You forgot about the Occam Razor, no need to find a complicated explanation: these discussions about copyright and "stealing" are all over in the western world, and all "customers" are getting (either consciously or subconsciously) pissed at the attitude of the content producers. The battle is fierce, rulings are sometimes against the consumer, sometimes for him (a few cases recently). But the main battle is in the media: content producers (music, movies, books) are very effective in their use of the media, and instill the ideas that you are not allowed to share, although it is one of the most natural things to do. And already I can see people having these unnatural ideas well inside their heads. A judge, putting some sanity into this, and applying the law, and only the law, is a very good thing, and is enough of an explanation to me.
Now onto this specific case, seen from France: the french movie industry was in a bad shape in the 80s, and was probably going to totally collapse like many of its neighbors', without the help it got (and not only state help, far from it, there's been a lot of private investments). It is true that there has been a lot of discussions about "countering" the American culture, about 15 years ago, and some kind of stupid fear than French culture would be completely assimilated (the French especially like to self-depreciate and are quite pessimistic, it's a very common French trait). However, I can assure you that nobody in France is currently afraid about having too many American movies on the market. The French movie industry is indeed healthy now, and has its fair share of bad movies (really, do not think that we don't have utterly stupid and bad movies, we have a lot of them, a huge majority indeed: it's not like the French have a special gift from God so that they produce only good movies). Therefore, given that there is currently no fear about American movies in France, I do not see a judge being so much into "getting those Yankees". Quod erat demonstrandum
Oh yes, indeed, informative ! ;-)
NOT !
I don't know on which flea market you bought your DVDs, but if you buy them at the legal resellers, they cost more than 10(??), and they definitely have CSS, and all the pizzaz come along too.
Oh, and by the way, it's a long time that Indo-China isn't a french colony anymore
By the way, concerning this Yahoo! trial about nazi stuff, former Yahoo! CEO has been cleared of charges a few weeks ago. I submitted the story, but maybe my writing was shitty, or maybe the /. editors had a lot of slashvertisement to post that day.
Every morning, 60 million Frenchmen wake up and think about how they can annoy the Americans. Every single day of their lives. Even before taking their first glass of wine and heading to the bakery to get their freshly-baked baguette. This is really their single most important duty to fulfill every day.
/. make it sound like we have nothing else to do of our time than to think about the mighty US of America, how to annoy it, how to counter it. Believe it or not, it happens sometimes that we have ideas, rules, laws of our own, that are not just there to be "against" the US.
Yes, I know it sounds stupid, but you guys here on
And by the way, even though you almost never see them in the US, there is actually a lot of movies produced in France. This ruling is going mostly to piss off the french movie producers. And there is absolutely no need for a "hidden agenda" to explain it.
the leak is Phil Schiller, or another high level executive ?
After all, who knows ? And really, that'd be damn funny.
There's a very simple explanation: you don't want people to eject the floppy while the system reads or writes to it. Especially, if, like on the first Macs, you actually load the system from a floppy. Letting the system manage the ejection of floppies (instead of the hurried user) was a simple way to avoid problems, loss of data, system crash, you name it.
Besides, one of the first times I encountered a floppy was sometime in the eighties on a friend's Commodore or Amiga. Believe me, he didn't like when I pushed the little button to eject the floppy while the system was writing to it. But for me, I had no clue the system was still using the floppy. All in all, the ejection of floppies on a Mac is surely unnatural, but is not something totally stupid as PC zealots would want you to believe.
Interesting question, as with 10.3, you get iPhoto 2, iMovie 3 (not totally sure it's this version though) and iTunes, but not the latest version of the iLife apps. So one might wonder if they'll still ship iPhoto 2 with Tiger, as that would spoil the experience a bit. However, I doubt very much that you'll get GarageBand or iDVD with Tiger, as those were never free in the past.
Come on ! This is clearly a case where the guy's thought was ahead of his typing, so he typed Mac instead of Apple just because he was already thinking about the Macs he mentioned a few words later (of course he didn't bother to re-read what he wrote, or preview). Don't tell me it never happens to you !
Besides, it happens that people refer to Microsoft as "Windows".
Apple has a habit of providing security updates (among them the ones related to web browsing) both for Panther and Jaguar. Your post is misleading. And the latest iTunes is available for OX 10.1.5 onwards.
And for the OS updates not being worth the price, this is your own opinion. A lot of people have the opposite.
Är du Chalmerist (kemi), eller ??
By reading this document, one learns that the guy was convicted for counterfeiting ("Guillermito est déclaré coupable de contrefaçon"). He won't even have to pay the fine (-> deferred sentence). The judge showed a lot of comprehension towards Guillermito, indeed. However, the full reasons are not disclosed as the judgment is not published yet (the court is late). Apparently reverse-engineering is only allowed if you own a legal copy of the software. So he was convicted for reverse-engineering a piece of code he wasn't entitled to use.
It says, right there, in TFA:
To the interpretation of the French account I referred to above, why Guillermito was probably convicted is that he used a pirated version of the Viguard anti-virus software for his research. It is questionable if the same outcome would be reached if a legimite version had been used.
Man, that is stupid !
I'm not sure what your question really is (or even if you're just trolling), but if you don't like iTunes, there are alternatives:
- for Linux, there is gtkpod
- for Mac OS X, there is Audion
- for Windows, there is ephpod
If you just don't like the iPod, well there's too much choice to even start discuss it. Google will be your friend for that.
These court papers are quite interesting. Apparently, one thing that Apple is worried about is the competition getting their hand on Tiger pre-releases, as they state:
"Maintaining pre-release software as a trade-secret is essential to Apple's ability to compete in the markets for personal computer hardware and software. If Apple's competitors had access to Apple's Pre-Release software, those competitors could benefit economically from the knowledge gained from that access by directing their development or marketing efforts to frustrate Apple's plans." (this is on page 5, point 18)
Now, I would understand this if they were actually not providing pre-release software to anybody. But really, what stops any Microsoft employee from getting into the ADC and distributing it to the Longhorn development team ? Does Apple have a list of all Microsoft employees so that they can prevent them from entering the ADC ? I'm puzzled...
So, all that research... and it never occured to you to contact the vendor?
Pot meet kettle ?
Rather, the rush, appeared to be in publishing a PDF and linking it on this forum.
Unfortunately, this is not true.
I'm surprised that nobody took the time to browse around the website where the pdf is. If you go to the front page of Think Computer Corp., you find a link to a press release telling that the flaws have been fixed.
Obviously the guy didn't publish the pdf before ensuring that all was well.
Well, I hook my PowerBook everyday to the network here at work, and I exchange constantly files between it and the P4-2.6 GHz Windows desktop. Be it by ssh'ing into the PB from the desktop or smb'ing from the PB to the desktop. You could also activate the FTP server on the Mac and use your prefered FTP-client on the PC. Or even activate "Windows sharing" on the Mac and make it an smb server. All this is simply done by clicking in checkboxes in OS X's sharing preference pane.
Sometimes I even use the PB's keyboard and mouse to access the desktop's screen 1m away with osx2x and VNC.