Yes, but there is a big difference between not supporting a platform and actively banning it's use. Even worse, their shutting down accounts of people who have done nothing wrong! So if one day you try to log in and it says "sorry, you are using an unsupported operating system, go buy Windows or a Mac" (can you imagine doing that just to play a game? damn you must be addicted to do that if you run Linux/BSD) it would be acceptable, but IMO they should keep the closing of account for people who actually hurt the game.
But to be fair, don't you think you should lsiten to the people that STAYED in Cuba?
Because by definition the people that left (I'm not saying "fled" on purpose because of what I said before, lots of those Cubans that went to the US didn't go there because they were true political refugees) would think very negatively about the system in their country.
But to be honest I didn't encounter many Cubans who where extremely positive about the system they live under either (which isn't surprising of course because it functions quite badly), but what I did notice is:
a) young people want to leave or want the system to change. Why? Because they want to be able to buy the same Nike shoes that the foreign tourist wear.
b) older people remember the way it was before and some of them feel that they "owe" Fidel somehow for at least getting rid of a system that was measurably worse.
In talking to some older people they told me how difficult it was to educate young people about what the important things are in life when the Cuban don't have anything, nothing to spend, nothing to build with, nothing. And at the same time the island is filled with these foreigners that sometimes don't even blink when they lose a $5 bill which is a month's salary to some of these people.
So young people are saying: what's the use? why go through all the trouble of going to school and university, for what? When I can earn as much as my parent in one day in a hotel or restaurant if I get lucky and get a good tip from a tourist?
So in the end I can't blame them for wanting to leave, but none of THOSE are political refugees of course (who DO exists of course, I'm not denying that!!)
No no, I'm absolutely NOT saying that I think the people in Cuba live well!!! Far from it! I've seen people living in situations that made me want to cry. And the system is definitely corrupt and allows for very little freedom.
But that was not what this discussion was about, wasn't it? So I'm going to leave it at that.
You're actually able to determine the exact amount CO2 that get scrubbed due to rain only by analyzing what you see with your own eyes? What, no need for yearlong studies, theorizing and experiments?
So you're saying we should definitely NOT look at your degree and the amount of experience you have when deciding if what you're saying is worth listening to?
Come on! This is science we're talking about, not the local debating club.
(And the part about argumentum ad hominem I don't get, I seen no relevance to the remark made by the GP)
Yes but who gives a damn about the compiler? Compilers are a dime a dozen, it's all the other stuff that's interesting. Neither Java nor C# are particularly interesting languages and Sun's specs have always been open enough to implement you're own version. But it's all the libraries and packages that make it all interesting, without those nobody would probably look twice at those languages. And it's with those libraries that you can run into patent-trouble. The fact that Sun is now GPLing all of that basically means that you don't have to worry much about that anymore (at least not from Sun). The fact that MS put some specs up for standardization means no such thing, something that could definitely be a problem for FLOSS projects.
The sanctions aren't that obvious, see the quote I made "Ships are prohibited from entering U.S. ports for six months after making deliveries to Cuba". (This quote I got from wikipedia which isn't the most reliable resource of course, but I got it there becuase I knew it existed.)
Anyway, there are countries that trade with Cuba, especially their latin american neighbours, but the blockade does make it a lot more difficult. And if a company wants to do a lot of business with Cuba they'll probably notice it if they want to do business in the States as well.
About that those comic books, you should get out more and see a bit of the world, those examples I gave you? You know what? They actually exist! Go figure.
And justice for the NA people? JUSTICE? Omg, talk about comic book representations.
Anyway the NA people are not a good comparison here, let's talk about the f-ing land you stole from US! Yes us Europeans! We're the ones that made all the initial investments so when will you repay us for everyhting we lost when you decided to go independent?
Now I'm pretty sure you won't suddenly say "shucks, you're right" but I'm just pointing out that the US citizens probably felt they had earned the right to stay where they were and do things by themselves. They probably also felt justified keeping whatever the English, French etc left behind because they had been doing all the hard work afterall!
So you shouldn't be surprised when the Cuban people feel the same way.
And in the end it's all about proportion, Germany and Japan have done a lot worse during the 2nd World War and look where they are now! They didn't get there because they had to "repay" all the victims (they tried that in the 1st World War and the results basically led to the 2nd).
That the US got pretty pissed off about the whole Cuban missile thing is understandable, but there are limits, it's a whole population that is suffering for something that happened already quite some time ago. We've opened up relations with just about every country in the world (think China), a big exception is Northern Korea... and somehow Cuba is one too?
Oh come you damn well know that there is a US economic blockade going on that goes way beyond not being able to buy cigars. And if that's not enough the US will threaten anyone else with economic sanctions as well if they do business with Cuba ("Ships are prohibited from entering U.S. ports for six months after making deliveries to Cuba") So basically the only real money going in is due to tourism.
And I never said they are leading "the good life" but at least they are not worrying about where to live and what to eat tomorrow while there are more than enough democratic countries in the world where there is an upper class of immensely rich people who seem perfectly happy living next to people who have nothing more than a cardboard box (well, the rich of course make sure they live in places where they never have to see the poor, it would ruin their appetite). And the thing is, you don't even have to go to some corrupt latin american banana republic to see all this.
Hahaha yes, desperate enough to have any kind of future you mean! If you really think all those people are leaving because of their political beliefs you are pretty naive! Most of those people are leaving for economical reasons, because they want to be able to have some kind of future, a future which is made impossible by US sanctions BTW.
You just have to look at the influx of Africans into Spain for example to see what people will do to have just a glimmer of hope of a better future. Those people aren't fleeing a brutal political system. Those people often aren't even fleeing starvation. They are fleeing an existence without future and will do just about anything to make it better.
And yes, I've been to Cuba and in my opinion those people still live better than lots of people in so-called democracies, there are no people dying in the streets at least.
Who was it that said (paraphrased) that the GPLv3 was a solution looking for a problem?
Looks like dear Mr. Stallman was right yet again, we need all the protection we can get against sharks like Microsoft.
So at what point does the expression of a "different perspective" become an incitement to violence or intimidation?
Well if posting photos, names and addresses is "not quite crossing the line perhaps" then I don't know what is. Shall we just wait until they killed the first one?
In these cases Free Speech be damned, I'm pretty sure those people who have their info on that website are not sleeping well at night. I also think people should not be allowed to hide behind "Free Speech" rights and be able to do something like that.
No, I'm not American and yes I do believe in Free Speech, just not in your extremist version of it.
That's just speculation, there are no numbers quoted at all in the article so it could very well be that domestic violence has increased a lot.
Problem is exactly that most domestic violence is "behind closed doors" which means it will be difficult to get any numbers on them because most people won't want to talk about it.
Which is okay with the politicians of course because they can show the numbers and ignore these vague rumours about an increase in domestic violence.
So, yes, I would prefer random alcohol related violence in the pubs and in the street, at least it's out there, we can all see it and we can do something about it.
I think the "public" was only meant for the "recommendation", not for the "honour" part;-)
So they might not care much for "public honour" (in the meaning of being decently clothed in a public place) but they might care very much about being "honorable" (as in paying their actors enough for the job they're doing).
"A person who has successfully quit smoking generally has a great deal more empathy for people who have trouble kicking the habit than people who have no frame of reference."
Strange, my personal experience is almost exactly the opposite. Although I know non-smokers who look down on smokers who _say_ the would like to stop but in the end never even (really) try I know many more ex-smokers who really have no patience with smokers telling how many times they tried to stop but just weren't able to get rid of the habit.
For them it's "I was able to do it so don't give me that "oh it's too difficult crap"!"
But like I said, this is my personal experience, it might very well be that you are (statistically) right.
Well besides the fact that I'm not British, it would like to point out that WE aren't the ones telling everybody all the time that we can say whatever we want.
I must say I don't understand Americans much. Always touting their Free Speech and how you should be able to say whatever you want, thinking us Europeans backward for not allowing hate-speech and not allowing anyone to deny that the Holocaust ever took place. But at the same time you can't just simply say that you think somebody is a crook and a thief. You guys are weird;-)
Ok, that might happen, but then we're talking about a whole different set of laws and regulations and none of them will get you thrown in jail. Anyway, just wanted to disabuse any americans from the idea that saying "nigger" would get you thrown in jail in Europe, which is of course ridiculous.
I don't know about the UK, but I never heard of any movement in Holland that wanted to get rid of this law.
I must admit that I have no idea what you'd have to write on a website to get you in that much trouble, but I'm pretty sure that if you'd go around spreading leaflets about how the Holocaust was an okay thing to do and that we should in fact continue to send Jews to their deaths you'd wind up in jail pretty soon and most people would be relieved to have you off the streets.
But of course I'm not The Dutch People so I might be wrong:-)
Just to make this clear, nobody here goes to jail for saying "nigger". You might lose your job if you'd say it to a colleague, but this would be due to company policy, not because you broke any laws.
Being obnoxious is not the same as "inciting racial hate" which has to go a LOT further than just say the "n-word".
Of course the same way you like your freedom we tend to think there are limits to what you should be able to get away with. The fact is that in Europe there exist political parties whose only reason of existence seems to be to get rid of anyone who is "different". Unfortunately it has been shown that if there are people in the public eye who are allowed to spout dangerous ideas about foreigners and people of other races that there are listeners who feel empowered to do something about it themselves.
So lots of European countries have limits on what you can say in public and most of those limits have to do with assuring the safety of the State and ALL of the people living under its protection.
Well no, I'm sorry but we'll just have to agree to disagree because you are twisting my word around and explaining them differently than I did:-)
I agree comlpetely that bringing out a version 2.0 of a certain application and saying "hey, Mark, i wrapped up 2.0 today" would definitely be called "dubbing", but I explained that calling a car "diesel" is NOT the same. You can say that you bought "a diesel" referring to a certain type of car but that's not the same as "dubbing" it. If you can't see the difference I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on this.
Ah well, life goes on even without us agreeing, doesn't it?:-)
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Really good news. The best being that the a) confirm that running Cedega is not a problem and b) that they're actively testing with Cedega.
Two thumbs up.
You and all the ones responding to you must be really young to forget the utter disaster called Laser Disc. God I feel old now ;-)
Yes, but there is a big difference between not supporting a platform and actively banning it's use. Even worse, their shutting down accounts of people who have done nothing wrong! So if one day you try to log in and it says "sorry, you are using an unsupported operating system, go buy Windows or a Mac" (can you imagine doing that just to play a game? damn you must be addicted to do that if you run Linux/BSD) it would be acceptable, but IMO they should keep the closing of account for people who actually hurt the game.
But to be fair, don't you think you should lsiten to the people that STAYED in Cuba?
Because by definition the people that left (I'm not saying "fled" on purpose because of what I said before, lots of those Cubans that went to the US didn't go there because they were true political refugees) would think very negatively about the system in their country.
But to be honest I didn't encounter many Cubans who where extremely positive about the system they live under either (which isn't surprising of course because it functions quite badly), but what I did notice is:
a) young people want to leave or want the system to change. Why? Because they want to be able to buy the same Nike shoes that the foreign tourist wear.
b) older people remember the way it was before and some of them feel that they "owe" Fidel somehow for at least getting rid of a system that was measurably worse.
In talking to some older people they told me how difficult it was to educate young people about what the important things are in life when the Cuban don't have anything, nothing to spend, nothing to build with, nothing. And at the same time the island is filled with these foreigners that sometimes don't even blink when they lose a $5 bill which is a month's salary to some of these people.
So young people are saying: what's the use? why go through all the trouble of going to school and university, for what? When I can earn as much as my parent in one day in a hotel or restaurant if I get lucky and get a good tip from a tourist?
So in the end I can't blame them for wanting to leave, but none of THOSE are political refugees of course (who DO exists of course, I'm not denying that!!)
So what is it you're saying? I can't recall having said that NO company can do business in both Cuba and the US.
And do you work for that company? Do you know for sure that they did NOT have problems because they have a factory in Cuba?
No no, I'm absolutely NOT saying that I think the people in Cuba live well!!! Far from it! I've seen people living in situations that made me want to cry. And the system is definitely corrupt and allows for very little freedom.
But that was not what this discussion was about, wasn't it? So I'm going to leave it at that.
You're actually able to determine the exact amount CO2 that get scrubbed due to rain only by analyzing what you see with your own eyes? What, no need for yearlong studies, theorizing and experiments?
So you're saying we should definitely NOT look at your degree and the amount of experience you have when deciding if what you're saying is worth listening to?
Come on! This is science we're talking about, not the local debating club.
(And the part about argumentum ad hominem I don't get, I seen no relevance to the remark made by the GP)
Yes but who gives a damn about the compiler? Compilers are a dime a dozen, it's all the other stuff that's interesting. Neither Java nor C# are particularly interesting languages and Sun's specs have always been open enough to implement you're own version. But it's all the libraries and packages that make it all interesting, without those nobody would probably look twice at those languages. And it's with those libraries that you can run into patent-trouble. The fact that Sun is now GPLing all of that basically means that you don't have to worry much about that anymore (at least not from Sun). The fact that MS put some specs up for standardization means no such thing, something that could definitely be a problem for FLOSS projects.
The sanctions aren't that obvious, see the quote I made "Ships are prohibited from entering U.S. ports for six months after making deliveries to Cuba". (This quote I got from wikipedia which isn't the most reliable resource of course, but I got it there becuase I knew it existed.)
Anyway, there are countries that trade with Cuba, especially their latin american neighbours, but the blockade does make it a lot more difficult. And if a company wants to do a lot of business with Cuba they'll probably notice it if they want to do business in the States as well.
About that those comic books, you should get out more and see a bit of the world, those examples I gave you? You know what? They actually exist! Go figure.
And justice for the NA people? JUSTICE? Omg, talk about comic book representations.
Anyway the NA people are not a good comparison here, let's talk about the f-ing land you stole from US! Yes us Europeans! We're the ones that made all the initial investments so when will you repay us for everyhting we lost when you decided to go independent?
Now I'm pretty sure you won't suddenly say "shucks, you're right" but I'm just pointing out that the US citizens probably felt they had earned the right to stay where they were and do things by themselves. They probably also felt justified keeping whatever the English, French etc left behind because they had been doing all the hard work afterall!
So you shouldn't be surprised when the Cuban people feel the same way.
And in the end it's all about proportion, Germany and Japan have done a lot worse during the 2nd World War and look where they are now! They didn't get there because they had to "repay" all the victims (they tried that in the 1st World War and the results basically led to the 2nd).
That the US got pretty pissed off about the whole Cuban missile thing is understandable, but there are limits, it's a whole population that is suffering for something that happened already quite some time ago. We've opened up relations with just about every country in the world (think China), a big exception is Northern Korea... and somehow Cuba is one too?
Oh come you damn well know that there is a US economic blockade going on that goes way beyond not being able to buy cigars. And if that's not enough the US will threaten anyone else with economic sanctions as well if they do business with Cuba ("Ships are prohibited from entering U.S. ports for six months after making deliveries to Cuba") So basically the only real money going in is due to tourism.
And I never said they are leading "the good life" but at least they are not worrying about where to live and what to eat tomorrow while there are more than enough democratic countries in the world where there is an upper class of immensely rich people who seem perfectly happy living next to people who have nothing more than a cardboard box (well, the rich of course make sure they live in places where they never have to see the poor, it would ruin their appetite). And the thing is, you don't even have to go to some corrupt latin american banana republic to see all this.
Hahaha yes, desperate enough to have any kind of future you mean! If you really think all those people are leaving because of their political beliefs you are pretty naive! Most of those people are leaving for economical reasons, because they want to be able to have some kind of future, a future which is made impossible by US sanctions BTW. You just have to look at the influx of Africans into Spain for example to see what people will do to have just a glimmer of hope of a better future. Those people aren't fleeing a brutal political system. Those people often aren't even fleeing starvation. They are fleeing an existence without future and will do just about anything to make it better. And yes, I've been to Cuba and in my opinion those people still live better than lots of people in so-called democracies, there are no people dying in the streets at least.
Who was it that said (paraphrased) that the GPLv3 was a solution looking for a problem? Looks like dear Mr. Stallman was right yet again, we need all the protection we can get against sharks like Microsoft.
Jeez, after seeing that i don't need to RTFA!
Now why on earth should I believe expert scientists on the matter when I've got a right-wing policy advisor to believe? And he even was a journalist!
Well if posting photos, names and addresses is "not quite crossing the line perhaps" then I don't know what is. Shall we just wait until they killed the first one?
In these cases Free Speech be damned, I'm pretty sure those people who have their info on that website are not sleeping well at night. I also think people should not be allowed to hide behind "Free Speech" rights and be able to do something like that.
No, I'm not American and yes I do believe in Free Speech, just not in your extremist version of it.
That's just speculation, there are no numbers quoted at all in the article so it could very well be that domestic violence has increased a lot.
Problem is exactly that most domestic violence is "behind closed doors" which means it will be difficult to get any numbers on them because most people won't want to talk about it.
Which is okay with the politicians of course because they can show the numbers and ignore these vague rumours about an increase in domestic violence.
So, yes, I would prefer random alcohol related violence in the pubs and in the street, at least it's out there, we can all see it and we can do something about it.
I think the "public" was only meant for the "recommendation", not for the "honour" part ;-)
So they might not care much for "public honour" (in the meaning of being decently clothed in a public place) but they might care very much about being "honorable" (as in paying their actors enough for the job they're doing).
You might want to take a look at Twinkle (www.twinklephone.com). I can't exactly say that it is a thing of beauty, but it sure works for me.
"A person who has successfully quit smoking generally has a great deal more empathy for people who have trouble kicking the habit than people who have no frame of reference."
Strange, my personal experience is almost exactly the opposite. Although I know non-smokers who look down on smokers who _say_ the would like to stop but in the end never even (really) try I know many more ex-smokers who really have no patience with smokers telling how many times they tried to stop but just weren't able to get rid of the habit.
For them it's "I was able to do it so don't give me that "oh it's too difficult crap"!"
But like I said, this is my personal experience, it might very well be that you are (statistically) right.
Well besides the fact that I'm not British, it would like to point out that WE aren't the ones telling everybody all the time that we can say whatever we want.
:-p
And at least we can show nipples on TV
I must say I don't understand Americans much. Always touting their Free Speech and how you should be able to say whatever you want, thinking us Europeans backward for not allowing hate-speech and not allowing anyone to deny that the Holocaust ever took place. But at the same time you can't just simply say that you think somebody is a crook and a thief. You guys are weird ;-)
Ok, that might happen, but then we're talking about a whole different set of laws and regulations and none of them will get you thrown in jail. Anyway, just wanted to disabuse any americans from the idea that saying "nigger" would get you thrown in jail in Europe, which is of course ridiculous.
I don't know about the UK, but I never heard of any movement in Holland that wanted to get rid of this law.
:-)
I must admit that I have no idea what you'd have to write on a website to get you in that much trouble, but I'm pretty sure that if you'd go around spreading leaflets about how the Holocaust was an okay thing to do and that we should in fact continue to send Jews to their deaths you'd wind up in jail pretty soon and most people would be relieved to have you off the streets.
But of course I'm not The Dutch People so I might be wrong
Just to make this clear, nobody here goes to jail for saying "nigger". You might lose your job if you'd say it to a colleague, but this would be due to company policy, not because you broke any laws.
Being obnoxious is not the same as "inciting racial hate" which has to go a LOT further than just say the "n-word".
Of course the same way you like your freedom we tend to think there are limits to what you should be able to get away with. The fact is that in Europe there exist political parties whose only reason of existence seems to be to get rid of anyone who is "different". Unfortunately it has been shown that if there are people in the public eye who are allowed to spout dangerous ideas about foreigners and people of other races that there are listeners who feel empowered to do something about it themselves.
So lots of European countries have limits on what you can say in public and most of those limits have to do with assuring the safety of the State and ALL of the people living under its protection.
Well no, I'm sorry but we'll just have to agree to disagree because you are twisting my word around and explaining them differently than I did :-)
:-)
I agree comlpetely that bringing out a version 2.0 of a certain application and saying "hey, Mark, i wrapped up 2.0 today" would definitely be called "dubbing", but I explained that calling a car "diesel" is NOT the same. You can say that you bought "a diesel" referring to a certain type of car but that's not the same as "dubbing" it. If you can't see the difference I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on this.
Ah well, life goes on even without us agreeing, doesn't it?