I also enjoy steps 2 and 3 of the old fashioned way. I can go with friends, we can show eachother new stuff. Browse the used CD's. Listen to what's on the store stereo. Talk with the clerks about local band, upcoming show, new and upcoming releases. Meet new people. Find a hidden rare out of print CD. Plus I get the CD case, the artwork, and the ability to rip into any format I want. Not to mention 9 times out of 10 the record store is more likely to have what I'm looking for (and often cheaper) than iTunes.
Burning your ACC to and audio CD. Ripping that audio CD to a different format (MP3). I doubt he would say this, as far as apple is conserned all other formats are crap why would you want anything but AAC.
But that's besides the point. He can say anything he wants. If it doesn't state that you have this ability in the license agreement, then you don't; because this would be a DMCA violation.
You cannot convert AAC bought from the iTMS into anything else. You can burn them to an audio CD and re-rip them, but the quality will suffer and the legality is questionable.
It is impossible to copy protect a CD and still have it play in a regular CD player. My CD player has SPDIF out... my computer has SPDIF in... if it plays I can make a digital copy. Copy protecting a regular CD is never going to work.
I'd have to disagree... Interpol is an excellent band. Not sure how they would come across live, but recorded they are quite good. Their lable is even RIAA free.
Tell me, does your SliMP3 understand the format that music is on on the raw CD?
Yes it does
Does it understand the format that music is in on Audio cassets? You mean to tell me you have to CONVERT your songs from CD or Audio Casset format to MP3 to play them on your SliMP3? The horror.
So I have to convert uncompressed audio to an mp3 to play in the player. Easy enough, I have CDex. Now how do I do this with something from iTMS? Oh wait, I can't. The songs are locked into AAC. I can't convert them to any other format without burning them to a CD first and further degrading the quality (not to mention the questionable legality of doing this).
Question, if you accidentaly throw away your CD, or if your CD gets scratched beyond repiar, or your CD catches fire, can you go to the store and get a new copy for free?
Question, if your hard drive goes tits up do you go to the iTMS and say, "Please let me have this file again for free?" No, if you didn't make a backup you're screwed. That's why I rip all my CD's to FLAC. I have them forever in a lossless format.
So the jewel case, liner notes, and the ability to store your music in any digital format you desire (FLAC) are worthless to you? They more than make up for any convenience I loose by having to go to a record store... of course I also quite enjoy going to record stores. Until the online music is signifigantly cheaper than physical media I'm not touching it.
But when it happens that an artist (And I use that term loosely here) puts out one track you like on a otherwise horrbile album, chances are you'll hear it enough times to thuroughly tire of it soon. That's what happens to me. If I find that I don't like the album something is on, I don't think it's worth my investment. Sure cry me a river is a decent song, but I gurantee I won't feel the need to listen to it a month from now. Would you ask to just buy one scene of a DVD and expect a discount?
Except most large school will sell you a copy of Microsoft Office Proffessional for about $20 on CDR. Student's are included in their site license. I went and got a new CD everytime MS released a new version when I was in school.
the man purse has changed my life... I can now carry all sorts of stuff with me and keep my pockets empty. you never know when you're going to need a pen, something to write on, a checkbook, a passport, etc. I rarely use most of the stuff in it, but it comes in handy. And my pockets are empty... no longer must i sit on a fat wallet.
I have two words for you: Man Bag. Of course if you carry a man bag having a phone, PDA, MP3, player, and camera isn't a big deal... I even have a couple extra sets of rechargeable batteries.
I think you missed my point completly. I have LP's, and I can convert them to CD with no loss (if you consider CD lossless) or any other compressed audio format. As long as I keep the LP I can do this to the end of time. I'm not conserned about iTunes ability to play my other files. I'm worried about storing my audio in a compressed format. As long as I have the CD or LP I can convert my music to whatever format I desire, and at worst get one generation of loss. If all my music is stored in AAC, I'm stuck with that unless I want another generation of loss.
That's all fine and dandy if AAC is a better compression scheme. What happens when 5 years from now there's something better? I can re-encode from my original CD's and take advantage. Just like I used to use MP3 but now use FLAC. With the iTMS, I'm stuck with AAC forever.
Easy Street Records is my preferred store. They seem to have the best prices, and unlike alot of indie stores they seem to have enough purchasing power to put stuff on major labels on sale. The cheaper CD's tend to be on indie labels. Most every SUB POP release is $9.99 for the first couple of weeks it's in stores. I guess that's why alot of the music I buy is cheaper, I'm mainly sticking to stuff on indie labels.
If something is cheaper, why not buy it at the iTMS? If you're getting something extra- like the DVD you mentioned, if it's important to you, buy it at the regular store. If you wanted to buy that other Outkast CD, why shouldn't I buy it at iTMS rather than buying it at the store and paying a lot more?
From my limited observations, I haven't really found anything that is cheaper (at least in terms of value to me). At most I'll save 3 or 4 dollars. But I'm also not getting artwork, the jewel case, the CD media, and uncompressed audio (I have a non iPod mp3 player, and want to go to mp3 without double loss). To me those are worth the money so nothing seems cheaper to me at iTMS. I've always treated downloading like the radio, I use it to hear before I buy and $.99 is too much to pay for that... maybe if they offered low quality 64 or 48 kbps files for a few cents I'd be in on it.
I mean, it's not like you own the freaking store- so why be so zealous about it?
No, I don't own the store... but if people don't support their independent record stores they won't stay in buisness, I think they provide a valuable service to the community (not just selling music) and I don't want to see them go under.
But why does it have to be some lifestyle choice to buy stuff at iTMS?
To me it's not a lifestlye choice to buy things at iTMS, it's a lifestyle choice going to a record store. Record stores are great places where you meet interesting people who may share alot of the same tastes as you. They're fun to go to with friends and browse. There is a certain tactile feel to it that I love. But if everyone moves to online distribution, they're going to dissapear and I think it would be a great loss to see that happen.
True, AAC is an open standard. But you still have to pay to license it. You're just able to see the standard before hand (same with MP3). WMA is a closed standard yes, but the licensing costs are miniscule... that's why you see WMA support on so many devices.
I like my flash based player, thank you very much. It lasts a whole week on one rechargeable AA battery. It's small, weighs nothing, won't ever skip, and holds more than enough music to get me through the day. All told I've invested about $100 in it (player, headphones, 128mb extra flash, notmad software). I don't see why I would want anything else (maybe a 3GB flash based player that supports flac?). And AAC won't play on my player... CD's I buy and rip will...
Where are you buying your CD's? The stores I shop in generally charge 9.99 - 12.99 for a disc. The last two full length albums I bought were the new outKast double disc ($17.98) and the new Dressy Bessy ($11.99). The outKast album is 19.99 at the iTMS and my Dressy Bessy album also came with a DVD. Tell me again why I'd want to pay more for less at iTMS?
I agree... it's usually cheaper for me (based on total value) to go to the record store... it may take me more time, but for me the trouble is less. I also get the benifits of browsing the used cd's, using the listening stations (i'm not limited to a 30sec clip), interacting with other shoppers, and seeing upcoming releases. Plus, at the records stores I shop at at 9 times out of 10 they have the disc I'm looking for. At the iTMS it's about 5 out of 10. Hell, they didn't even have the plyphonic spree; and they're the band playing in that VW Bug/iPod commercial.
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I also enjoy steps 2 and 3 of the old fashioned way. I can go with friends, we can show eachother new stuff. Browse the used CD's. Listen to what's on the store stereo. Talk with the clerks about local band, upcoming show, new and upcoming releases. Meet new people. Find a hidden rare out of print CD. Plus I get the CD case, the artwork, and the ability to rip into any format I want. Not to mention 9 times out of 10 the record store is more likely to have what I'm looking for (and often cheaper) than iTunes.
So he specifically said the following was legal:
Burning your ACC to and audio CD. Ripping that audio CD to a different format (MP3). I doubt he would say this, as far as apple is conserned all other formats are crap why would you want anything but AAC.
But that's besides the point. He can say anything he wants. If it doesn't state that you have this ability in the license agreement, then you don't; because this would be a DMCA violation.
You cannot convert AAC bought from the iTMS into anything else. You can burn them to an audio CD and re-rip them, but the quality will suffer and the legality is questionable.
It is impossible to copy protect a CD and still have it play in a regular CD player. My CD player has SPDIF out... my computer has SPDIF in... if it plays I can make a digital copy. Copy protecting a regular CD is never going to work.
The kicker to me is that they don't have The Polyphonic Spree, a band that is featured in the iPod/VW commerical!
I'd have to disagree... Interpol is an excellent band. Not sure how they would come across live, but recorded they are quite good. Their lable is even RIAA free.
And now you understand why the MPAA pushed for region codes so hard!
Yeah but we only needed one CDR for me an all my friends... it think it worked out to less than a $1. Technically it was all still legal too.
Tell me, does your SliMP3 understand the format that music is on on the raw CD?
Yes it does
Does it understand the format that music is in on Audio cassets? You mean to tell me you have to CONVERT your songs from CD or Audio Casset format to MP3 to play them on your SliMP3? The horror.
So I have to convert uncompressed audio to an mp3 to play in the player. Easy enough, I have CDex. Now how do I do this with something from iTMS? Oh wait, I can't. The songs are locked into AAC. I can't convert them to any other format without burning them to a CD first and further degrading the quality (not to mention the questionable legality of doing this).
Question, if you accidentaly throw away your CD, or if your CD gets scratched beyond repiar, or your CD catches fire, can you go to the store and get a new copy for free?
Question, if your hard drive goes tits up do you go to the iTMS and say, "Please let me have this file again for free?" No, if you didn't make a backup you're screwed. That's why I rip all my CD's to FLAC. I have them forever in a lossless format.
So the jewel case, liner notes, and the ability to store your music in any digital format you desire (FLAC) are worthless to you? They more than make up for any convenience I loose by having to go to a record store... of course I also quite enjoy going to record stores. Until the online music is signifigantly cheaper than physical media I'm not touching it.
Says who? Does it say in the licensing agreement you have the right to do so? If not then it is a violation of the DMCA.
I just found out that sub pop and matador safe... suprising as they're just about the biggest indie there are.
But when it happens that an artist (And I use that term loosely here) puts out one track you like on a otherwise horrbile album, chances are you'll hear it enough times to thuroughly tire of it soon. That's what happens to me. If I find that I don't like the album something is on, I don't think it's worth my investment. Sure cry me a river is a decent song, but I gurantee I won't feel the need to listen to it a month from now. Would you ask to just buy one scene of a DVD and expect a discount?
doesn't microsoft distribute a free office document viewer? I believe it plugins into IE and allows you to view all office documents.
Except most large school will sell you a copy of Microsoft Office Proffessional for about $20 on CDR. Student's are included in their site license. I went and got a new CD everytime MS released a new version when I was in school.
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Nice mixture of casual and dressier bags. I tend to call them man bags, and not purses... but if you prefer purse that's you're call.
the man purse has changed my life... I can now carry all sorts of stuff with me and keep my pockets empty. you never know when you're going to need a pen, something to write on, a checkbook, a passport, etc. I rarely use most of the stuff in it, but it comes in handy. And my pockets are empty... no longer must i sit on a fat wallet.
I have two words for you: Man Bag. Of course if you carry a man bag having a phone, PDA, MP3, player, and camera isn't a big deal... I even have a couple extra sets of rechargeable batteries.
I think you missed my point completly. I have LP's, and I can convert them to CD with no loss (if you consider CD lossless) or any other compressed audio format. As long as I keep the LP I can do this to the end of time. I'm not conserned about iTunes ability to play my other files. I'm worried about storing my audio in a compressed format. As long as I have the CD or LP I can convert my music to whatever format I desire, and at worst get one generation of loss. If all my music is stored in AAC, I'm stuck with that unless I want another generation of loss.
That's all fine and dandy if AAC is a better compression scheme. What happens when 5 years from now there's something better? I can re-encode from my original CD's and take advantage. Just like I used to use MP3 but now use FLAC. With the iTMS, I'm stuck with AAC forever.
Where do you shop?
Easy Street Records is my preferred store. They seem to have the best prices, and unlike alot of indie stores they seem to have enough purchasing power to put stuff on major labels on sale. The cheaper CD's tend to be on indie labels. Most every SUB POP release is $9.99 for the first couple of weeks it's in stores. I guess that's why alot of the music I buy is cheaper, I'm mainly sticking to stuff on indie labels.
If something is cheaper, why not buy it at the iTMS? If you're getting something extra- like the DVD you mentioned, if it's important to you, buy it at the regular store. If you wanted to buy that other Outkast CD, why shouldn't I buy it at iTMS rather than buying it at the store and paying a lot more?
From my limited observations, I haven't really found anything that is cheaper (at least in terms of value to me). At most I'll save 3 or 4 dollars. But I'm also not getting artwork, the jewel case, the CD media, and uncompressed audio (I have a non iPod mp3 player, and want to go to mp3 without double loss). To me those are worth the money so nothing seems cheaper to me at iTMS. I've always treated downloading like the radio, I use it to hear before I buy and $.99 is too much to pay for that... maybe if they offered low quality 64 or 48 kbps files for a few cents I'd be in on it.
I mean, it's not like you own the freaking store- so why be so zealous about it?
No, I don't own the store... but if people don't support their independent record stores they won't stay in buisness, I think they provide a valuable service to the community (not just selling music) and I don't want to see them go under.
But why does it have to be some lifestyle choice to buy stuff at iTMS?
To me it's not a lifestlye choice to buy things at iTMS, it's a lifestyle choice going to a record store. Record stores are great places where you meet interesting people who may share alot of the same tastes as you. They're fun to go to with friends and browse. There is a certain tactile feel to it that I love. But if everyone moves to online distribution, they're going to dissapear and I think it would be a great loss to see that happen.
True, AAC is an open standard. But you still have to pay to license it. You're just able to see the standard before hand (same with MP3). WMA is a closed standard yes, but the licensing costs are miniscule... that's why you see WMA support on so many devices.
I like my flash based player, thank you very much. It lasts a whole week on one rechargeable AA battery. It's small, weighs nothing, won't ever skip, and holds more than enough music to get me through the day. All told I've invested about $100 in it (player, headphones, 128mb extra flash, notmad software). I don't see why I would want anything else (maybe a 3GB flash based player that supports flac?). And AAC won't play on my player... CD's I buy and rip will...
30GB Nomad Zen $246.94
20GB iPod $399.87
I'm not going to argue whether the iPod or Zen is a better device, but the Zen is $150 cheaper, for 10 extra GB... it's definately ahead on value.
Where are you buying your CD's? The stores I shop in generally charge 9.99 - 12.99 for a disc. The last two full length albums I bought were the new outKast double disc ($17.98) and the new Dressy Bessy ($11.99). The outKast album is 19.99 at the iTMS and my Dressy Bessy album also came with a DVD. Tell me again why I'd want to pay more for less at iTMS?
I agree... it's usually cheaper for me (based on total value) to go to the record store... it may take me more time, but for me the trouble is less. I also get the benifits of browsing the used cd's, using the listening stations (i'm not limited to a 30sec clip), interacting with other shoppers, and seeing upcoming releases. Plus, at the records stores I shop at at 9 times out of 10 they have the disc I'm looking for. At the iTMS it's about 5 out of 10. Hell, they didn't even have the plyphonic spree; and they're the band playing in that VW Bug/iPod commercial.