actually moore's law does include price. It stated that the amount of transistors on a chip would double every 18 months at the same cost, but more importantly (or so he thought) the current chip would cost half as much 18 months later. For example, if today if a 150e6 transistor chip costs $100 today; 18 months from now you will be able to get a 150e6 transistor chip for $50 and a 300e6 transistor chip for $100.
You can say the same things about novels. Just like every note I ever play is based to some degree off everything I've ever heard, every word I write is based off of every word that I've read.
The perfect example for this that I have is that when I was about 9 years old I decided I was going to write a song. I got out sheet music and using my saxaphone banged out a melody. I used a little casio keyboard to add rhythm and drums. I played it for my parents proud as punch and they told me I'd re-written amazing Grace. Now it wasn't exactly the same (only the first couple measures) and I don't know that I'd ever heard that song before, but I was able to come up with something similar just by chance.
The same thing can easily happen with novels. Can you copyright sentance structure? I'm sure you could find many novels that have identical sentences (structure and language) and quite possibly identical paragraphs. Now if the rest of the novels are different no one is going to complain.
In this particular case you've got a bass riff, played by two different people, on two different instruments, at two different times and used in two unmistakeably different songs. Why is that different from two novels having the same sentance? What if Dr. Dre had had the riff played on theremin instead of bass, would that have sufficed?
The fact that wannabe's spew forth homogenized electronic music just proves that it takes talent to use drum machines and synths. Sure it's easy to buy a korg triton and use the default sounds to create a song fairly quickly. It will probably be pretty generic sounding. However to actually edit the sounds and create new sounds using that technology is hard. When listening to electronic music, I can often pick out what equipment bands are using because they don't change the pre-sets. On the other hand listen to OutKast, Underworld, Boards of Canada, or Orbital. They use the technology to create entirely new sounds. This is not easy. If it was there would be more quality electronic artists. In fact the number of quality artists in all genres is probably about the same.
But not all of those work... there chords, scales, and chord progressions,. You can't play a C major and then a C minor in close progression and expect it to sound good. There are alot less combinations when you take this into account.
how is this any different than buying a record from a mom and pop store of a band who produces their own material and is on a independant label? Alot of the bands I buy are on their own labels. So when I buy these cd's (usually about $12) I'm not only supporting the band, I'm supporting the mom and pop store, and I'm getting the media, the jewel case, the art work and liner notes. Plus I'm getting out of the house and interacting with people.
they don't get 95% now... the artist may only get 5% but the other money gets divided between the label, the producer, the engineers, the mixers, the studio, the manufacturer, the distributer, and the record store. Now since the RIAA signed this deal we must assume that they wouldn't make this a worse deal for themselves than they already have. So we can figure that right now they get less than or equal to 65% of the sales of cd's to divide between the artist, the producer, the engineers, the mixers, the studio, and themselves. So what you're doing if you use apple's service is hurting the distributer, the manufacterer and the mom and pop record store that is already having trouble competing with best buy.
If I remember correctly the suits were against gun manufacturers who made guns that really had no other purpose except to kill alot of people very quickly (tech-9, mac-10, street sweeper) and advertised them in such away that they would appeal to criminals.
I'm not sure about you, but I can think of many more legitimate reasons for a search engine to exist than I can fro a tech-9 to exist.
People keep saying this, and I just keep shaking my head because I don't understand. If I buy and album, I'm buying an album. The artist put every song on there in a specific order for a specific reason. Even if one of the songs isn't my favorite I feel I should respect the artists wishes about the song.
I will contend that there are certain "artists" who just put out a collection of songs. In a situation like this when there is only one good song, what is the chance that you're going to want to hear it again in a week, a month, a year? I would contend that it's not very high. That kind of music I can easily get my fill of from clear channel (much more evil than the RIAA imho) and mtv.
Chances are unless the artist you like is a huge name, and is selling out an arena, they are loosing money when they tour. For instance I just saw the polyphonic spree here in seattle. 25 memebers in the band. Can you fathom how much money it takes to move them and all their equipment across the country? They played two shows in town before leaving for the next stop. each show maybe had 1200 people at it. On the surface 1200 people paying $15 a pop sounds good, but factor in expenses, the promotor the club and all the other shit and they probably aren't left with much. Hope they sell alot of t-shirts and cd's at the show.
how does using apple's service stop the RIAA? they get $.65 out of every $.99, for doing nothing except allowing apple to post the song. That seems like a sweeter deal for them than selling discs.
Most studies show that people who download songs of P2P networks actually buy more music than those who don't. I think that figure breaks down when the people download more than a 100 or 200 songs a month. Now I would wager that the person who downloads hundreds of songs a month was never going to buy the music anyway. The average file trader is probably someone like me. I generally download between 10 and 50 songs a month, and I probably buy 3 or 4 cd's every month. I also delete the music I don't buy, because if I actually liked it, I would buy it.
Lucas doesn't do DTS. He's a big supporter of Dolby. Besides a well done Dolby track should be just as good as a well done DTS track. The problem is that more often then not, people spend more time and effort to make a good DTS track; and even then on 99% of the systems out there, you won't realize the difference. Listen to the track on TPM or AOTC and you'll realize that DTS isn't really necessary.
I know that technically it's caused by a different thing. However, from my experience the same people who see the chroma bug in DVD players are also bothered by the rainbows on DLP projectors. I've never seen the chroma bug on a DVD and I've spent hours trying to see the rainbow effect on the samsung DLP RPTV's, and I can't see it. Now, I will admit that I can tell the difference between 3 chip DLPs and 1 chip models. But to my eyes DLP's look much better than LCD's.
Many DVD players have this effect as well... It's commonly refered to as a chroma bug. For some reason some people see it, others don't. I myself can never see it.
All the digital movie theaters I've ever been to use DLP technology and not LCD. That was the point of the study to prove that DLP would hold up better than LCD.
But how long ago were DVD burners 5k and the discs $30 a pop? If the BlueRay stuff falls in price nearly as fast DVD writers won't ever get the chance to penetrate like CD-R's did.
Don't all the HD and BlueLaser formats about to come to market make all this kind of a moot point. CDRom's are nice because everyone has a CD Player. DVD's aren't there yet because of all the different standards (My home DVD Player chokes on most burned DVD's). We already see this new formats coming to market, and they actually have enough space to be usefull. What would be nice would be to get a blueray drive of some sort for $300, that will also burn CD's and DVD's. Then you can use one disc for backup, one disc for CD's, and another for DVD's. You sacrafice no combatability. Of course that's a few years away. Until then, I'll stick to my CD-R.
Sorry, but I seriously doubt this. Most new CDs have a security sticker on them showing that they haven't been opened; you're saying that I may be buying a new CD from one of these "good record stores" that may have already been handled over and over again? No thanks.
I've never had them turn me down. But that might be because they know that if you listen to something, you probably want to buy it:)
So you're saying that you don't take full advantage of the system, and somehow it's the fault of the online store? There are numerous options for finding artists, songs, albums, as well as semi-random links between one artist and another. If you don't take the opportunity to browse, then I don't see how that's a failing of the system. That's like saying, "I don't like touching CDs that other people might have picked up. Therefore, brick-and-mortar stores are bad."
It's not that I can't browse the online stores, it just that it's so daunting. Netflix and Amazon have so much stuff, I find myself not knowing where to start. I try to browse those systems and it just doesn't seem effective to me. That is a failing of the system. If it worked better for me, I would be more apt to buy.
Then you're not using it right. Every time it recommends something you already have, just mark it "I already own this." Eventually, it will start recommending things you don't own.
I know how it works:) I just don't want to put that much effort into it. The record store is still more efficient for me.
Well, if you "never browse looking for stuff," what else do you expect? Browse around for a while! You can hear a clip of any song by any artist, and you don't have to ask a clerk to open the package for you! How is that not a good thing?
I think the problem is that amazon for instance as so much stuff, the signal to noise ratio becomes very low. I have to filter out all the crap just to find the very small number of cd's I would like. My local record store is set up for people who like the same kind of music that I do, it focuses on indie rock. There are also industrial, punk, goth, reggae, and jazz stores as well. This helps keep the signal to noise ratio much higher, and in turn makes it much more likely that I will find something I like in a short amount of time.
Really? They'll open an unopened CD for you, just so you can listen? And they'll do that for hundreds of CDs?
yes they will let me listen to anything. Most good records stores will. they just re-shrink wrap it if I decide not to buy it.
Well, it sounds like the only "link" between those two albums that you got at the brick-and-mortar store was essentially random. So, why don't you think that an online store will also have random "New Albums" lists that you mught see in passing?
they may, but if it's anything like most sites, it won't be effective. For instance I never browse amazon or netflix looking for stuff. Yet if I go to blockbuster or to a store I'm much more likely to buy something I just see. Tactile feel is important.
Better than whom? There are people on the Apple music store site who recommend music, and it also tracks most popular songs by a particular artist. So, for example, if you say, "Hey, what was that New Order song I remember from way back?", you can look up New Order, and chances are it will be one of the more popular downloads. Or, you can just click on each of the songs until you figure out which one it is. Easy, and something that you can't do in a brick-and-mortar store.
The only systems I've seen like this are like what they have at amazon. And I've very rarely had it recomend me anything I've wanted. It usually recomends me buy cd's that I already have. Maybe I'm different than most people (between my GF and I we have 600 or 700 CD's), but I have nearly every CD from the past that I could ever want. I'm more interested in finding new bands that I've never heard of and I think all online stores have failed to help me with that.
The point I was trying to make is that I went into the store only to buy one album. Because I heard an album in the background, I asked what it was... the clerk told me it was the new yo la tengo. I think brick and mortar stores give much better tactile feedback. I'm more likely to pick something up that I never would have at an online store. Plus since those two bands are on entirely different record labels, one a major and one an indie, I doubt any online experince would link those two albums.
The upside to the clerk is that they're much better at suggesting stuff. If I ask about a CD they can tell me what it sounds like etc.
And thankfully I only shop at indie record stores that have clerks who know something, and will let me listen to any CD.
I didn't say they were cheaper than bose... in fact they may be more expensive... but bose makes crap speakers everyone who knows anything about audio can tell you that.
Am I the only one that gets pleasure from going to the music store? I find I'm much more likely to pick up a cd from a band I've never heard before when I'm browsing in a record store versus browsing online. When I'm at the store I have the employee's top picks, the top sellers for the week, the preview stations (usually 15-20 different discs), people in the store to ask, plus they'll let me listen to anything I want. Buying stuff online is great when you know what you want, but some time a brick and mortar store is much more effective.
For example I was in my local record store, sonic boom, to pick up the newest flaming lips EP. I found it a good deal 8 tracks for 8.99 plus a trailer for their movie and a music video. While I was there I also noticed that the newest yo la tengo album had also been released on that day (it was playing in the store), so I picked that up for 11.99. A very good experience that I just don't see online shopping able to replicate.
I gurantee the vibration dampers and cables didn't make one bit of difference with your bose speakers. In fact, the frequency response of bose speakers are so bad I doubt you'd be able to pick out the difference between MP3 and CD. Now I'm not an audiophile by any means (I use klipsch refrence series and an outlaw audio reciver), but I know enough to ignore anyone who's bought into the bose myth.
But if everyone did this then there would be no user reviews because everyone would be waiting. The game companies would probably catch on and start giving out games to a few select users... of course those guys are going to have good reviews. The vicious cycle begins again.
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actually moore's law does include price. It stated that the amount of transistors on a chip would double every 18 months at the same cost, but more importantly (or so he thought) the current chip would cost half as much 18 months later. For example, if today if a 150e6 transistor chip costs $100 today; 18 months from now you will be able to get a 150e6 transistor chip for $50 and a 300e6 transistor chip for $100.
You can say the same things about novels. Just like every note I ever play is based to some degree off everything I've ever heard, every word I write is based off of every word that I've read.
The perfect example for this that I have is that when I was about 9 years old I decided I was going to write a song. I got out sheet music and using my saxaphone banged out a melody. I used a little casio keyboard to add rhythm and drums. I played it for my parents proud as punch and they told me I'd re-written amazing Grace. Now it wasn't exactly the same (only the first couple measures) and I don't know that I'd ever heard that song before, but I was able to come up with something similar just by chance.
The same thing can easily happen with novels. Can you copyright sentance structure? I'm sure you could find many novels that have identical sentences (structure and language) and quite possibly identical paragraphs. Now if the rest of the novels are different no one is going to complain.
In this particular case you've got a bass riff, played by two different people, on two different instruments, at two different times and used in two unmistakeably different songs. Why is that different from two novels having the same sentance? What if Dr. Dre had had the riff played on theremin instead of bass, would that have sufficed?
The fact that wannabe's spew forth homogenized electronic music just proves that it takes talent to use drum machines and synths. Sure it's easy to buy a korg triton and use the default sounds to create a song fairly quickly. It will probably be pretty generic sounding. However to actually edit the sounds and create new sounds using that technology is hard. When listening to electronic music, I can often pick out what equipment bands are using because they don't change the pre-sets. On the other hand listen to OutKast, Underworld, Boards of Canada, or Orbital. They use the technology to create entirely new sounds. This is not easy. If it was there would be more quality electronic artists. In fact the number of quality artists in all genres is probably about the same.
But not all of those work... there chords, scales, and chord progressions,. You can't play a C major and then a C minor in close progression and expect it to sound good. There are alot less combinations when you take this into account.
how is this any different than buying a record from a mom and pop store of a band who produces their own material and is on a independant label? Alot of the bands I buy are on their own labels. So when I buy these cd's (usually about $12) I'm not only supporting the band, I'm supporting the mom and pop store, and I'm getting the media, the jewel case, the art work and liner notes. Plus I'm getting out of the house and interacting with people.
they don't get 95% now... the artist may only get 5% but the other money gets divided between the label, the producer, the engineers, the mixers, the studio, the manufacturer, the distributer, and the record store. Now since the RIAA signed this deal we must assume that they wouldn't make this a worse deal for themselves than they already have. So we can figure that right now they get less than or equal to 65% of the sales of cd's to divide between the artist, the producer, the engineers, the mixers, the studio, and themselves. So what you're doing if you use apple's service is hurting the distributer, the manufacterer and the mom and pop record store that is already having trouble competing with best buy.
If I remember correctly the suits were against gun manufacturers who made guns that really had no other purpose except to kill alot of people very quickly (tech-9, mac-10, street sweeper) and advertised them in such away that they would appeal to criminals.
I'm not sure about you, but I can think of many more legitimate reasons for a search engine to exist than I can fro a tech-9 to exist.
People keep saying this, and I just keep shaking my head because I don't understand. If I buy and album, I'm buying an album. The artist put every song on there in a specific order for a specific reason. Even if one of the songs isn't my favorite I feel I should respect the artists wishes about the song. I will contend that there are certain "artists" who just put out a collection of songs. In a situation like this when there is only one good song, what is the chance that you're going to want to hear it again in a week, a month, a year? I would contend that it's not very high. That kind of music I can easily get my fill of from clear channel (much more evil than the RIAA imho) and mtv.
Chances are unless the artist you like is a huge name, and is selling out an arena, they are loosing money when they tour. For instance I just saw the polyphonic spree here in seattle. 25 memebers in the band. Can you fathom how much money it takes to move them and all their equipment across the country? They played two shows in town before leaving for the next stop. each show maybe had 1200 people at it. On the surface 1200 people paying $15 a pop sounds good, but factor in expenses, the promotor the club and all the other shit and they probably aren't left with much. Hope they sell alot of t-shirts and cd's at the show.
how does using apple's service stop the RIAA? they get $.65 out of every $.99, for doing nothing except allowing apple to post the song. That seems like a sweeter deal for them than selling discs.
Most studies show that people who download songs of P2P networks actually buy more music than those who don't. I think that figure breaks down when the people download more than a 100 or 200 songs a month. Now I would wager that the person who downloads hundreds of songs a month was never going to buy the music anyway. The average file trader is probably someone like me. I generally download between 10 and 50 songs a month, and I probably buy 3 or 4 cd's every month. I also delete the music I don't buy, because if I actually liked it, I would buy it.
Lucas doesn't do DTS. He's a big supporter of Dolby. Besides a well done Dolby track should be just as good as a well done DTS track. The problem is that more often then not, people spend more time and effort to make a good DTS track; and even then on 99% of the systems out there, you won't realize the difference. Listen to the track on TPM or AOTC and you'll realize that DTS isn't really necessary.
you really didn't just compare microsoft to hitler did you?
I know that technically it's caused by a different thing. However, from my experience the same people who see the chroma bug in DVD players are also bothered by the rainbows on DLP projectors. I've never seen the chroma bug on a DVD and I've spent hours trying to see the rainbow effect on the samsung DLP RPTV's, and I can't see it. Now, I will admit that I can tell the difference between 3 chip DLPs and 1 chip models. But to my eyes DLP's look much better than LCD's.
Many DVD players have this effect as well... It's commonly refered to as a chroma bug. For some reason some people see it, others don't. I myself can never see it.
All the digital movie theaters I've ever been to use DLP technology and not LCD. That was the point of the study to prove that DLP would hold up better than LCD.
But how long ago were DVD burners 5k and the discs $30 a pop? If the BlueRay stuff falls in price nearly as fast DVD writers won't ever get the chance to penetrate like CD-R's did.
Don't all the HD and BlueLaser formats about to come to market make all this kind of a moot point. CDRom's are nice because everyone has a CD Player. DVD's aren't there yet because of all the different standards (My home DVD Player chokes on most burned DVD's). We already see this new formats coming to market, and they actually have enough space to be usefull. What would be nice would be to get a blueray drive of some sort for $300, that will also burn CD's and DVD's. Then you can use one disc for backup, one disc for CD's, and another for DVD's. You sacrafice no combatability. Of course that's a few years away. Until then, I'll stick to my CD-R.
Sorry, but I seriously doubt this. Most new CDs have a security sticker on them showing that they haven't been opened; you're saying that I may be buying a new CD from one of these "good record stores" that may have already been handled over and over again? No thanks.
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:) I just don't want to put that much effort into it. The record store is still more efficient for me.
I've never had them turn me down. But that might be because they know that if you listen to something, you probably want to buy it
So you're saying that you don't take full advantage of the system, and somehow it's the fault of the online store? There are numerous options for finding artists, songs, albums, as well as semi-random links between one artist and another. If you don't take the opportunity to browse, then I don't see how that's a failing of the system. That's like saying, "I don't like touching CDs that other people might have picked up. Therefore, brick-and-mortar stores are bad."
It's not that I can't browse the online stores, it just that it's so daunting. Netflix and Amazon have so much stuff, I find myself not knowing where to start. I try to browse those systems and it just doesn't seem effective to me. That is a failing of the system. If it worked better for me, I would be more apt to buy.
Then you're not using it right. Every time it recommends something you already have, just mark it "I already own this." Eventually, it will start recommending things you don't own.
I know how it works
Well, if you "never browse looking for stuff," what else do you expect? Browse around for a while! You can hear a clip of any song by any artist, and you don't have to ask a clerk to open the package for you! How is that not a good thing?
I think the problem is that amazon for instance as so much stuff, the signal to noise ratio becomes very low. I have to filter out all the crap just to find the very small number of cd's I would like. My local record store is set up for people who like the same kind of music that I do, it focuses on indie rock. There are also industrial, punk, goth, reggae, and jazz stores as well. This helps keep the signal to noise ratio much higher, and in turn makes it much more likely that I will find something I like in a short amount of time.
Really? They'll open an unopened CD for you, just so you can listen? And they'll do that for hundreds of CDs?
yes they will let me listen to anything. Most good records stores will. they just re-shrink wrap it if I decide not to buy it.
Well, it sounds like the only "link" between those two albums that you got at the brick-and-mortar store was essentially random. So, why don't you think that an online store will also have random "New Albums" lists that you mught see in passing?
they may, but if it's anything like most sites, it won't be effective. For instance I never browse amazon or netflix looking for stuff. Yet if I go to blockbuster or to a store I'm much more likely to buy something I just see. Tactile feel is important.
Better than whom? There are people on the Apple music store site who recommend music, and it also tracks most popular songs by a particular artist. So, for example, if you say, "Hey, what was that New Order song I remember from way back?", you can look up New Order, and chances are it will be one of the more popular downloads. Or, you can just click on each of the songs until you figure out which one it is. Easy, and something that you can't do in a brick-and-mortar store.
The only systems I've seen like this are like what they have at amazon. And I've very rarely had it recomend me anything I've wanted. It usually recomends me buy cd's that I already have. Maybe I'm different than most people (between my GF and I we have 600 or 700 CD's), but I have nearly every CD from the past that I could ever want. I'm more interested in finding new bands that I've never heard of and I think all online stores have failed to help me with that.
The point I was trying to make is that I went into the store only to buy one album. Because I heard an album in the background, I asked what it was... the clerk told me it was the new yo la tengo. I think brick and mortar stores give much better tactile feedback. I'm more likely to pick something up that I never would have at an online store. Plus since those two bands are on entirely different record labels, one a major and one an indie, I doubt any online experince would link those two albums.
The upside to the clerk is that they're much better at suggesting stuff. If I ask about a CD they can tell me what it sounds like etc.
And thankfully I only shop at indie record stores that have clerks who know something, and will let me listen to any CD.
I didn't say they were cheaper than bose... in fact they may be more expensive... but bose makes crap speakers everyone who knows anything about audio can tell you that.
Am I the only one that gets pleasure from going to the music store? I find I'm much more likely to pick up a cd from a band I've never heard before when I'm browsing in a record store versus browsing online. When I'm at the store I have the employee's top picks, the top sellers for the week, the preview stations (usually 15-20 different discs), people in the store to ask, plus they'll let me listen to anything I want. Buying stuff online is great when you know what you want, but some time a brick and mortar store is much more effective.
For example I was in my local record store, sonic boom, to pick up the newest flaming lips EP. I found it a good deal 8 tracks for 8.99 plus a trailer for their movie and a music video. While I was there I also noticed that the newest yo la tengo album had also been released on that day (it was playing in the store), so I picked that up for 11.99. A very good experience that I just don't see online shopping able to replicate.
I gurantee the vibration dampers and cables didn't make one bit of difference with your bose speakers. In fact, the frequency response of bose speakers are so bad I doubt you'd be able to pick out the difference between MP3 and CD. Now I'm not an audiophile by any means (I use klipsch refrence series and an outlaw audio reciver), but I know enough to ignore anyone who's bought into the bose myth.
But if everyone did this then there would be no user reviews because everyone would be waiting. The game companies would probably catch on and start giving out games to a few select users... of course those guys are going to have good reviews. The vicious cycle begins again.