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Ethics and Video Game Reviews

Obiwan Kenobi writes "Online Journalism has an excellent article on video game reviewers and the ethics of such a position. It includes comments from the editor of gamespot and insights from well-known movie critics who are subjected to the same junkets that try to influence reviewers into writing good things about terrible products (or just mediocre ones). Inside I talk about my limited experience in video game reviewing and the influence free stuff can have."

Obiwan Kenobi continues:

The junket used in the article as an example was Ubi Soft's recent Rainbow Six: Raven Shield launch, where the writers got to dress in SWAT garb and have a paintball battle against mock terrorists and disable a dirty bomb. Things like this happen all the time, even more so in the movie industry (which the gaming industry is quickly mirroring).

Not that I was a big-time reviewer or anything. Back in 1997 or so, I ran a small website of my own (hosted on my ISP webspace) called Obiwan Reviews. Since I was just getting out of high school and into college (read: broke), I reviewed Quake mods, such as AirQuake, Quake Rally, After the Fall and others. Soon I tried to spread my wings a little and get a gig at a real gaming site, which would give me the ability to review retail titles. I found that site, frag.com, and the position was given to me by Jonathon "ZyFly" Works after many requests. Though the site itself is no longer with us, the experience was certainly eye-opening.

Technically I only reviewed two retail titles, Tomb Raider 2 and the X-Men Quake mod. I also got Dungeon Keeper and its expansion, The Deeper Dungeons, though I never got around to writing about that one.

In my first "professional" review, I lavished praise on X-Men, which deserved about 75% of it, and the last 25% was, I fully admit (now that I'm nowhere near this "industry") given just because it was free and I'd never gotten a free game before. Yes, it was unethical as hell, but I was under the deluded thinking that if you trash a free game the free games stop coming. I wish I could tell you I knew better, but back then I did not.

An upshot of that bloated thinking came a week later when I got an email from the guys who made that X-Men mod. They thanked me for the kind words and the payoff for some of their hard work.

This is not something that a biased reviewer needs to hear.

This put me in the mindset that "everything is great, just tell em what they want to hear." That way I could get in the industry and be loved by all! Or...so I thought.

After Tomb Raider 2 dropped on my doorstep, I played it for a few days and was very disappointed. Terrible clipping, clunky controls, sometimes buggy levels and graphics. Not that it was all bad, I still had a good time with a few levels, but the majority of the game was a misfire.

But this didn't stop me from hyping it up, telling everyone it was the greatest thing to come out yet.

A week or so later I got another email. Not from the developer, but from a reader. And he was pissed.

While I don't have the email any longer, I certainly remember the gist of it: He bought the game and he saw through my candy-coated review in about thirty minutes. He had trusted my words and was out $50 thanks to me.

I felt terrible and conflicted. I wasn't sure I wanted to review any more at all, considering that I knew there would be others who would purchase titles based on my words. And if those words were false, who was gaining here? The studios producing the titles or myself? The guilt was tough, but the review had ran and a retraction of my gushing paragraphs would mean that nothing I did from then on would be taken seriously. Not that those who purchased TR2 because of my review would do so any longer, but hey, I've got the rest of the readership to worry about.

After some soul searching and mid-terms, I made my decision.

That was my last review for frag.com, and my last video game review. Though I have since written hundreds of movie and DVD reviews, I still look back on those reviews for a free humbling experience any time I need one.

The points that are brought up in articles like the one at Online Journalism are very much factual. If you let yourself be taken in by the free food, games, flights, and gala of a modern-day junket, your reputation is at stake. Roger Ebert has since stopped letting movie studios pay for anything in regards to press gatherings and interview sessions, and I highly commend him for it. Everyone else would be happy to throw a few hundred loving words toward a bad movie because they got to shmooze with the stars and eat an expensive meal alongside them.

This thing happens all the time.

Trust me, I know.

280 comments

  1. Quotes from the reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    "This game is a real piece .. !"

    "I've never played such .. astounding .. fun."

    "Incredible!"

    "This game exemplifies today's total lack of .. so many bad things to say!"

    "I will never have this .. much fun."

    1. Re:Quotes from the reviews by leifm · · Score: 1

      Fortunately for film studios they don't need to do this sort of editing, they can just hit up Ain't It Cool News for a great review of even the worst shit.

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  2. Not Just For Video Games... by E-Rock-23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    These junkets happen in almost every facet of the entertainment industry. Movies and TV especially. For more information, check out some of the features at Hollywood Bitchslap, they'll give you the straight dirt on that whole mess, including "quote whores" and tidbits on spin-meisters using message boards and chat channels to schill movies the rest of us wouldn't even consider seeing...

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    1. Re:Not Just For Video Games... by asparagus · · Score: 1

      Go look at all the positive reviews which 'somehow' made their way into that board. Bloody industry.

    2. Re:Not Just For Video Games... by ajakk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This doesn't only happen in the video game industry. CNN announced today that they did not report lots of things in Iraq during the past 12 years because they were afraid of the consequences against their journalists. As opposed to doing the ethical thing and leaving Iraq, they decided to keep their access and only report things approved by the Iraqi government. Thus, they were getting access to a very important news story if they would only report good news. Note that this did not only happen during the current war (when it was expected), but during the past 12 years.

    3. Re:Not Just For Video Games... by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      is it as crdible as www.moviepoopshoot.com ?

    4. Re:Not Just For Video Games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gene Shallot is pimp of the quote whores. His reviews are completele useless and he's an embaressment to an embaressing industry.

    5. Re:Not Just For Video Games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yep, I think one of the worst offenders is the audio industry. Its literally impossible to find a negative review of high-end audio equipment, actually many review sites have a policy where they will never give a negative review. So its almost impossible. (unless its Bose, where reviewers will compete to see who can put in the most negative review possible)

      But its not like there's ethics in the audio industry in the first place, selling $10000 cables based on fake science or stuff like this:

      http://www.virtualdynamics.ca/tech

  3. Only one real ethical question by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you still press XX OO Up Down Up down to get extra lives?

    1. Re:Only one real ethical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      More importantly, will your chick drought ever end, or will you die a pear-shaped virgin?

    2. Re:Only one real ethical question by lightspawn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Can you still press XX OO Up Down Up down to get extra lives?

      The Konami code (used for extra lives and such in many of their games) is actually: Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start.

      Geez, kids today.

    3. Re:Only one real ethical question by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, for two seconds I actually thought about looking that up, then I thought, nah... someone's bound to post the real code in fifteen minutes.

      I was one minute off.

    4. Re:Only one real ethical question by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it "select, start"?

      It's been 8 seconds since you hit 'reply'! Thanks /.!

    5. Re:Only one real ethical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you're playing two players.

    6. Re:Only one real ethical question by DonkeyJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Konami code (used for extra lives and such in many of their games) is actually: Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start.

      Wasn't it "select, start"?

      Actually, it's neither. Start or Select, start are not actually part of the code. But if you don't hit them, nothing happens. A good way to tell if someone has friends is to ask them what the Contra code was. If they don't say select, then they were playing it alone-- no friends. If they don't know the code, then I suggest killing them, they're probably an evil alien.

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    7. Re:Only one real ethical question by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      I actually learned it as up up down down left right left right b a b a select select start start, on Contra for the NES. I dont doubt others learned other convoluted versions, and I recall seeing at least one with an extra "b a" pair in it published in a gaming magazine years later. Ahh, for the good old days when console game cheats were spread by word of mouth!

    8. Re:Only one real ethical question by rabiteman · · Score: 1, Redundant

      It's "select, start" if you want a two-player game. For one player, you leave out the "select".

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    9. Re:Only one real ethical question by GweeDo · · Score: 1

      And if you have friends please put a "Select" before the start so you AND your friend gets loads o' lifes :)

    10. Re:Only one real ethical question by PunchMonkey · · Score: 1

      The Konami code (used for extra lives and such in many of their games) is actually: Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start.

      I remember how excited I was to pick up Super Gradius for my Super Nintendo, sat down and tried the code on the title screen, nothing happened. Started the game, paused it, entered the code, and my ship blew up!!! That was the best :-)

      Turns out they have you use the "L" and "R" buttons instead of pushing left and right :-)

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    11. Re:Only one real ethical question by Shads · · Score: 1

      Actually the NES Contra was UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A [SELECT] START. The code was very nearly that for life force and contra 2 also. I believe the code you are listing is for contra 2 on the nes.

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    12. Re:Only one real ethical question by XFriday · · Score: 1

      I think that is wrong. The actual code is:

      up up down down left right left right B A select start

      Notice the "select".. ;-)

    13. Re:Only one real ethical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, for Super C (or "Contra 2" as you put it), the code was Right Left Down Up A B [Select] Start. It only gave you 10 lives, though.

    14. Re:Only one real ethical question by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      You could insert random buttons at various points in the code, particularly before "UP UP" and after the "B A". This was mostly true for every game that supported the Konami Code. The code tended to evolve as people passed it, like the childhood game of "telephone".

    15. Re:Only one real ethical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was ... Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, A, B Start...
      Could be wrong

    16. Re:Only one real ethical question by falsified · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ.
      Look at us.
      Some of us have PhDs. Not me though. Contra RULES!

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  4. Reviewers are crooked, we know it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The good news is, most of us are aware of the keywords in game reviews.

    "Stylish"
    "Action Packed"
    "Best game of the year"

    Are just a few of the key phrases that send us into bullshit mode. Everything afterwards ends up sounding like a grown-up from peanuts.

    1. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by realdpk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heh. You want to see some bad reviews, watch G4TV some time. They have one show "Judgement Day" which says some negative things about games, but then every other show on there hypes 'em up. They had their "Christmas Shopping" specials and they listed almost EVERY game that was out at the time as games to buy. They did seem to order them from good to bad, but they didn't make that clear. Bizarre. I think it was the same guys that do Judgement Day, too.

    2. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by charlito · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I'll watch that porn channel, too. I'm curious as to how much money they get from microsoft and the various other companies just to be on the air. The amount that channel pushes the xbox is crazy, while nintendo gets left out in the cold (as a general rule). I have a feeling that the amount of payola they receive is probably illegal (but i think that's wishful thinking). But you're right, the only show on that channel with a hint of ethical behavior is Judgement Day.

    3. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by realdpk · · Score: 1

      I remember the months of "Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell". Nearly every damn show on there was talking about it, and then there were ads for it, too. That was so utterly blatant it was sick. It became a joke in our circle.

      I tried playing the game, it was an irritating FPS (most are on consoles, tho), too. I don't know what Judgement Day had to say about it.

    4. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by Galvatron · · Score: 1

      Probably they focus on the Xbox and ignore the Gamecube because of their target audience. They've decided to pitch themselves to teenaged gamers. Teen gamers are the one segment of the market that hates Nintendo's "cartoonish" games. Children, of course, love the games, and adults are old enough to not care what the game looks like. Image-concious teens, however, reject Nintendo games as being "for kids." Hence, the Gamecube does not fit the image that the channel is trying to create for itself.

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    5. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by NamShubCMX · · Score: 1
      Are you sure you played Splinter Cell because last time I checked this was a third person stealth game.

      Yes, you shoot things... mostly cameras. Most of the time you use your brain though...

      Anyway...

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    6. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by Aetrix · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well of course it sends us into Bullshit mode. Anyone who has an honest education and a college degree knows that "action packed" is supposed to be hyphenated.

      I hate game reviews with grammatical mistakes.

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      "One touch of Darwin makes the whole world kin." George Bernard Shaw
    7. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For an example of their xbox bias, watch Pulse, their "news" show. Also, watch the Pulse blurbs that they show during commercial breaks.

      "Microsoft has just sold over 800,000 of blah blah blah"

      "Nintendo has just held a press release CLAIMING that they have sold 800,000 of blah blah blah."

      G4 are also EB shills. Don't forget their damn PRINGLES codes show, either.

      G4's only worthwhile show is Cinematech, their game clips show. And that show involves maybe 5% original content, including fake Japanese characters and a fake Japanese voice pronouncing the word Cinematech as "See-nee-ma-tek-ku." Bah. But at least you don't deal with any of their on-screen "talent" on that show, and it's 95% GAMES instead of people yapping about games as if they know what they're talking about.

      Oh, and will somebody please kill Jim Downs already? Thanks.

    8. Re:Reviewers are crooked, we know it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most adults I know are sick of the same old franchises, which is why they don't want a Gamecube. Only adults I know who own a Gamecube are relatively new to Nintendo games (no N64), and only got it as a supplement to their existing Xbox...

  5. Online reviews by whoppers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you know the reviewer personally, never trust a reviewer that may have a conflict of interest, even Consumer Reports. Online reviews such as those at imdb.com, amazon.com, etc.. are usually the best for me. Newspapers prove this point best, it's not just the news anymore, too many (not all) writers spin the news to further their cause.

    1. Re:Online reviews by Shadowlion · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Online reviews such as those at imdb.com, amazon.com, etc.. are usually the best for me.

      The problem with online reviews for games and other technical/electronic items is that, in many cases, the people writing reviews have absolutely no clue as to what they're talking about.

      For instance, go look up wireless routers on Amazon.com, and read some of the reviews. In many cases, it's quite evident that these people have no concept of the limitations that can reduce signal strength on a wireless router, so you get these stories along the lines of, "One star!! This product is awful! I installed the wireless router in the backroom of my all-concrete basement, and I wasn't able to get 'excellent' quality signal strength on the third floor of my friends house next door! And [company name] told me that was expected!"

      Or you get game reviews along the lines of, "One star! I purchased [brand new game which requires top-of-the-line graphics card to run at high res with decent framerate], but it doesn't run on my practically-brand-new computer. I mean, I bought my system in 1999 and it has a PIII 800 with a GeForce2 -- I can't believe how bad this game runs on my system!"

      It's actually surprisingly hard to find unbiased reviews from people who are actually qualified to review the product in question (meaning, people who understand the limitations and can present a realistic portrait of the products strengths and weaknesses).

    2. Re:Online reviews by consumer · · Score: 1

      Companies often pay people to write positive reviews of their mechandise on sites like Amazon. If there are tons of reviews and they all love it, you're probably okay, but things with just a few reviews could be from company employees, or the CEO's sister, etc. Unlike Consumer Reports, these sites make no claims that the reviews are unbiased.

    3. Re:Online reviews by Belgand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah... can't believe a product wouldn't run acceptably on a system that's only a few years old. Dammit, if you want a game to run right you better have built a new system within the year or expect it to look like slowly oozing mud.

      That said, on technical matters it's a matter of seperating the wheat from the chaff. It's something you have to do with all reviews in order to get what you want. Read between the lines and try to understand more why the reviewer is saying it.

      I tend to seek out negative reviews and opinions far more readily as a result. Usually negative reviewers will either give away their bias very readily and inform you on the issue rather than gushing about why it's so good. Maybe it's my generally pessimistic worldview, but a critical review tends to show weak points about why you don't want it and it leaves it up to you to determine if they outweigh.

    4. Re:Online reviews by micromoog · · Score: 1
      ...never trust a reviewer that may have a conflict of interest, even Consumer Reports.

      or, say, Slashdot?

    5. Re:Online reviews by mcheu · · Score: 1

      For instance, go look up wireless routers on Amazon.com, and read some of the reviews. In many cases, it's quite evident that these people have no concept of the limitations that can reduce signal strength on a wireless router, so you get these stories along the lines of, "One star!! This product is awful! I installed the wireless router in the backroom of my all-concrete basement, and I wasn't able to get 'excellent' quality signal strength on the third floor of my friends house next door! And [company name] told me that was expected!"



      While I agree that this person may not know the strengths and weaknesses of a wireless router, the average consumer wouldn't either. In that respect, I'd consider myself in that league. Most of us rely to some extent on both reviews and statements made by company representatives. If someone in sales or tech support told this guy that it would work through a concrete bunker, then I'd say he's justified in being pissed that it doesn't.

      It's not just about technical knowledge. It's about truth in advertising. It doesn't take an expert to compare what something does to what the company and its agents say it does.

    6. Re:Online reviews by c_jonescc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about that. Seems anytime I look at reviews on amazon or yahoo! shopping there is very little middle. People usually either give 5 stars or 1 star.

      The five stars I don't trust often because:
      1) people frequently need to justify a purchase by believing that they got the best thing.
      2) fan boys
      3) companies that see no ethics violation in 'reviewing' their own product.

      The one stars I don't frequently trust because:
      1) idiots who can't plug something in, and blame the manufacturer for a shitty product.
      2) fan boys of the other team
      3) companies that see no ethics violation in 'reviewing' their competitors product.

      For things like movies and games I have a few reviewers that I generally align with, and know pretty well where our tastes differ.

      But with a new electronics purchase it is getting to be nearly impossible to get good unbiased reviews. I REALLY wish that all these companies would see the wrong in 'reviewing' their own or their competition's products automatically.

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    7. Re:Online reviews by Shads · · Score: 1

      I think the min specs on games are fairly a fair indication of the real requirements, minimum specs is the slowest speed the game will execute at and be playable if you dont mind turning down/off all effects and dont mind a low frame rate.

      However, the recommended spec is misleading, usually it's about 80% of what it should be. Recommended spec should be 100% full on maxed out and runs at a good speed or should just say "They've not made a pc yet that runs this game adaquetly. Check back in 2004."

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  6. i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but... by Transient0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...this is one of the reasons that their user review system is actually a Good Thing(disregarding problems with abuses of the system, which in the large scheme is pretty insignificant). Game reviews can be good to read, especially if you find someone who has a history of praising games that you have enjoyed and criticizing those which you did not. But really what you need to do before buying is harvest some information from amateur reviewers. Certainly some of them will be idiots and a lot of them will have different tastes from you, but at least they have no vested interest in saying that something is good.

    disclaimer: Of course, USENET is also great for this purpose and predates Amazon, but Amazon is more in the public consciousness these days than USENET is.

  7. I don't listen to em. by Muerto · · Score: 1

    I try my best to not pay any attention to reviews. They are usually incorrect... or maybe not incorrect, but I don't agree with them. All this it is, is one persons opinion that many people will probably disagree with. If I really want to know how a game is before I buy it... i just ask a friend.

    1. Re:I don't listen to em. by Skyshadow · · Score: 1
      I try my best to not pay any attention to reviews.

      So how the heck to you decide which games to buy? Maybe it's just me, but my friends are even more broke than I am and therefore not good for games not yet in the bargain bin...

      Personally, I gauge all reviews (games, gear, etc) on how detailed and well thought-out they seem. For example, if a review carefully goes over a game's premise, gameplay, controls, storyline and etc. it's going to get a lot more credibility from my mind than a short blurb about how great it is.

      Beyond that, all you can do is identify which reviewers you tend to agree with and which you don't -- I can usually tell if I'll want to see a movie by how badly Mr. Cranky hates it, while Ebert is useless as a barometer because he hates things I like and vice versa.

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    2. Re:I don't listen to em. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Ebert is useless as a barometer because he hates things I like and vice versa

      Sounds like he's actually quite useFUL - just do the opposite of his suggestions.

  8. Isn't it the same across all industries? by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

    Is this specific to reviewing computer games? Isn't a reviewer developing ethical conflicts the same for music, movies, fashion, etc.? Once you become part of the biz, you are socializing with these people and getting caught up in the scene, thinking that you are part of action. Probably the same for "consumer reports", for all I know.

    Everyone has an opinion, but going public with it is a risky thing. As pointed out, if you overinflate, you're going to upset those that purchase based on your review. If you knock down (unfairly), people lose jobs and you stop getting invited to the party.

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    1. Re:Isn't it the same across all industries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the article?

      "Things like this happen all the time, even more so in the movie industry (which the gaming industry is quickly mirroring)."

      It didn't say anywhere that it was limited to computer games. The article came up with the same points your post did. I wish I could log in so I could mod your post -1 redundant.

  9. Where is old man murray when you need him? by PylonHead · · Score: 1

    http://www.oldmanmurray.com/

    Don't bother going, it disappeared and turned into a "Coming soon" page until it eventually changed into a "Coming soonish" page. :(

    Best game reviews ever. Sniff.

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  10. wait, so you mean... by joeldg · · Score: 1

    all that free stuff I sent you didn't make you want to write this article? i am confused.

  11. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i ran a site for a few years from 98-2000 or so. i got alot of games for free... but most of them were just plain awful, and i didnt even want to take them out of the box let alone install and play for 3-4 hours to write a review.

    it was tough work for some really shitty games. although i did get a few cool ones :) and m$ sents me atleast 15 games i never asked to review, plus the optical mouse when it came out (i was quite happy it was nearly 100 dollars at the store and i get it from fedex by suprise)

  12. Do people still read game reviews? by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've bought enough computer games over the years that had rave reviews and turned out to be total crap that I don't even read reviews anymore.

    Black and White is a recent example. The reviews made it sound like the best game ever made. Then when I played it, I found out the UI is horrible, the gameplay is tedious, and the characters treat you (their god) like a child -- If you eat your vegetables, then you can have Ice Cream.

    I just take it for granted now that game reviewers are lying when they say a game is good. Jason
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    1. Re:Do people still read game reviews? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      IMHO if you wait for a few weeks and then get the consensus on the relevant usenet group, you cannot go wrong.

    2. Re:Do people still read game reviews? by NecrosisLabs · · Score: 1

      The _only_ time a review ever made me go and buy a game I hadn't thought of getting was when Old Man Murray said "No One Lives Forever, in many non-trivial ways, is a better game than Half-Life."

      Of course, OMM had spent so much time and creative energy bashing Jason Hall, that to get them to admit the game was good was a herculean task....

    3. Re:Do people still read game reviews? by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      I agree, but that is exactly my point; I can't trust professional reviewers. To get a good, unbiased review, I have to turn to a public forum. So why do the reviewers even exist?

      Jason
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    4. Re:Do people still read game reviews? by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      Funny. That comment right there will probably sway me to purchase it.

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  13. Britain by Photon01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is one of the bonuses of living in Britain and getting games later than everyone else, i can speak to my American friends who inevitably have the game months before its out here, and they will tell me if its worth buying or not.
    I generally will not trust a review unless i have read many, many others that agree with it.

    1. Re:Britain by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying the game coming out later has advantages? I can wait until the game has been out for a couple of months if I want. Just because it's on the shelves doesn't mean I have to buy it the first week. If my friends buy it and say it's good, then I can buy it right away and not have to wait a few months for it to be available to me. By waiting those few months and letting your friends get lots of extra practice, you'll always lose at multi-player games.

      Jason
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    2. Re:Britain by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying the game coming out later has advantages? I can wait until the game has been out for a couple of months if I want. Just because it's on the shelves doesn't mean I have to buy it the first week.


      Then you, my friend, are not the target demographic of the american video game industry.
    3. Re:Britain by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      Then you, my friend, are not the target demographic of the american video game industry.

      You'll get no arguement from me there, despite the fact that I do buy a few games a year. I also wait about a month after a movie comes out because I prefer as few people as possible in the theatre, and I don't even understand the "get it first" attitude for new DVDs.

      What I was commenting on is that taking away choice is not a benefit. If I don't want to buy the game for a few months, why is having the option taken away a perk?

      Jason
      ProfQuotes

    4. Re:Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also get a much more stable game, I can say for sure. Sony Europe is very strict about passing through TRC, plus you have the advantage of multi-thousand American testers posting bugs on various forums, working to make sure you get a solid game.

      Might get a couple GUIs mis-aligned though... damn PAL.

    5. Re:Britain by fobbman · · Score: 1

      The Mac folks say the same thing, if only to make themselves feel better about getting games 2 years after the PC folks do.

    6. Re:Britain by ASMprogrammer · · Score: 1

      That isn't an advantage to living in Britain. I live in America and I could do the same thing: wait until 3 months after the game's released to decide on whether or not to buy it. I too have plenty of American friends who will have tried it by then.

  14. "Best game ever!" by mao+che+minh · · Score: 1, Insightful
    A video game reviewer is just another critic. He or she holds no responsibility to abide by any philosophical rationalization of virtue in writing.

    If someone is gullible enough to base their decision to purchase a video game solely on how Dan "Shoe" Hsu at EGM thought of it, then that's their right. Dan is entitiled to his opinion about the game and should not be expected to alter it in any way "just to be fair".

    1. Re:"Best game ever!" by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      This is fine. I agree wholeheartedly, up until you reach the back pages of the review section in EGM, where they have about half to three-quarters of the reviews. There all you're getting is cheap one-paragraph reviews with no meat, no screenshots, and oftentimes serious inaccuracies.

    2. Re:"Best game ever!" by L-Train8 · · Score: 1

      I find the very concept of integrity in "entertainment journalism," be it movie, music or game news, to be a bit baffling. Writers are reporting about what is cool. There simply are no objective standards for that.

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  15. Hypocritical. by InnovATIONS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing I noticed was that the one publicaiton said that only their editors went to the events but that their writers could not. Who actually decides which reviews get published and which placement? The editors of course. If anything journalistic integrity is MORE important to an editor than a writer. Or maybe it was a matter that if the writers couldn't go to the junkets there would be more spaces available to the editors? "You guys can't go on these biasing publicity events" the editor says as his bags are packed for the airport.

  16. Re:but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA, idiot.

  17. Best review scheme ever. by Steveftoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was the scheme of time to barrel. How long it took to find a barrel / box in the game. It showed exactly when the developer ran out of creative juice and started to put in cliche elements.

    Funny because it was about as accurate as any other reviewing method for games.

    I did like that site.

    1. Re:Best review scheme ever. by joe_bruin · · Score: 1

      "time to crate" was the old man murray benchmark. how long can you play the game until you see a crate. the shorter the time, the worse the game is. omm was also known for despising the generic dungeon or sewer levels, that are the hallmark of poor game design.

      unfortunately, they are no longer with us. but in the immortal words of marvin (from the future), "stop being such goddamn fruits".

    2. Re:Best review scheme ever. by Shads · · Score: 1

      Yah pretty much. The only game it didn't really apply to was the very very very early FPS games... (W3D, Doom (first room!)) after that... yah.

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    3. Re:Best review scheme ever. by secolactico · · Score: 1

      Was the scheme of time to barrel. How long it took to find a barrel / box in the game. It showed exactly when the developer ran out of creative juice and started to put in cliche elements.

      Dang! And I just sank $50 for "Divine Divinity" (the name was so ridiculous that I couldn't resist).

      And what's the first thing my char sees upon waking up? A barrel and a crate. DOH!!

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    4. Re:Best review scheme ever. by RocketScientist · · Score: 1

      Yup. If you ever played Serious Sam 2, they actually put a bunch of little game developer caricatures riding around in crates that are roped together as a joke.

      If you haven't ever thought about the whole "crate" thing before you are missing out. With very few exceptions, crates are everywhere. Think about it. Quake 2: you start out staring at a crate. Half Life: You leave the room where things blew up and are staring at a crate in 45 seconds.

      It's mostly because game designers want to provide cover, but they don't want to actually design the things that really do provide cover in real life. Desks maybe. Overturned cars. Furniture. Machine parts. Things which are a lot less "cube" and therefore harder to model.

  18. Re:war and games by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

    playstation 2 game called "shock & awe"

    I think you're getting this mixed up with the dance game, Chaka Khan.

  19. gaming review industry corruption by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

    Most game magazines/websites are kept aloft by their advertisers. Corruption is much more rampant than traditional 'news'.

    You can usually still tell what's crap though...on a scale of "10", anything that gets below an "8" is not worth buying. Anything below a 7 might actually cause your computer/game console to blow up.

    An alpha elf can always browse the opportunity for Kung Fu, so let's exculpate!

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  20. Re:war and games by Hemorrhoids · · Score: 1

    I think you're getting this mixed up with the dance game, Chaka Khan.
    no, i'm positive that there is

  21. Re:war and games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i agree

    and your nickname is revolting

  22. There is another issue (Simcity 4) by ckokotay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes the reviewers do not take enough time with the game to get the full picture. A classic example is the progessive game like Simcity 4. This thing got practically glowing reviews, but come to find out it was a sluggish, bug ridden piece of junk as soon as the city got to any reasonable size. At that point certain buildings wouldn't show up and the frame rates dropped to around 1 fps - even on 2Ghz plus machines.

    While most of the issues have been addressed in a patch that was released almost 3 months after the game was - it should have been panned by anyone who took more than a few minutes with it.

    Chris...

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    1. Re:There is another issue (Simcity 4) by realdpk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. Maxis either got boned or boned us on this one. The minimum specs on the box are about 1/3rd of what is really required for playing the game over an hour.

      Wasn't there some sort of lawsuit against EA about requirements being way off?

    2. Re:There is another issue (Simcity 4) by j0nb0y · · Score: 2, Interesting
      A very related problem is that reviewers are often reviewing beta versions of games. Review copies will be sent out before a game goes gold, so that reviews can be published before a game comes out. The problem with this is that most reviewers will assume that any bugs in the game will be worked out before the game goes gold. They have no way to know if a problem won't be fixed, and they'll look awfully stupid if they complain about a problem that is fixed.

      It's hard to come up with a solution to this problem. Mine is to just not buy a game the day it comes out but wait at least a week or two until I hear from all the suckers who buy it on the first day.

      I made this mistake on Heroes of Might & Magic IV. Over a year has passed, and many patches have come out, but the game still crashes on me everytime I play. At most I can play for an hour or two before it crashes. I searched around for reviews after I discovered this, and no one mentioned anything.

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    3. Re:There is another issue (Simcity 4) by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      If not, there should have been! You can't just return a game to the store once it's been opened these days, so for them to outright lie about the system requirements is fraud plain and simple.

    4. Re:There is another issue (Simcity 4) by mgblst · · Score: 1

      ...and they'll look awfully stupid if they complain about a problem that is fixed.

      Sometimes you get stuck in doorways, but this little problem should be fixed by the time the game comes out.

      You don't have to look stupid.

  23. I've been there. by Stanl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I write for a mainstream, general circulation newspaper with a daily circulation of about 300,000 readers. The influences of freebies are mitigated by my newspaper's policy, as well as our shear size.

    In essence, the paper's policy says that if you review the game, you can keep it. We handle reviews of music CDs the same way. If you don't review the game, it goes in a charity auction that is held four times a year.

    I have never felt the need to give a game a better review than it deserved just because I knew I was going to be able to keep it. In fact, I've told PR flacks over the phone dozens of times that I thought their games were of poor quality, when that was in fact the case.

    In my situation, games from the industry have never stopped arriving, and if they did, I'd simply call and say I was interested in reviewing a specific title. I actually prefer that way to the flood of unsolicitated titles, which are inevitably followed up by an annoying phone call sniffing for coverage. I'd rather just review what I think my readers will be interested in, and leave the rest for what I call the "enthusiast" media.

    As a professional journalist, I am of the opinion that junkets where members of the "press" are invited to participate in spectacles such as a paintball outing are simply unprofessional. While having face time with game industry execs and developers is extremely valuable (that is what I use e3 for) I would never participate in anything that was clearly tied to covering the news, and I would suspect any journalist with any training in ethics would agree with me.

    Now that being said, there are gray areas. Sony, Microsoft and other big game publishers will be having receptions at e3 this year with free food and drinks. Will I attend these? Absolutely. Why? Because it gives me access to players in the industry I would otherwise not have. Will I drink a bottle of water while attending these receptions? Sure. Why? Because I will likely be thirsty.

    It's not just about avoiding impropriety -- it's about avoiding the appearance of impropriety, too.

    1. Re:I've been there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Given that you write for a mainstream, general circulation newspaper with a daily circulation of about 300,000 readers, allow me to point out it's your sheer size that blah blah blah.

      ;)

    2. Re:I've been there. by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      Geez, you'd think that a "professional journalist" would be able to spell words like "sheer" and "unsolicited".

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    3. Re:I've been there. by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1
      I write for a mainstream, general circulation newspaper with a daily circulation of about 300,000 readers. The influences of freebies are mitigated by my newspaper's policy, as well as our shear size.

      I'm not sure the size of your scissors should make a difference on how individuals can be influenced.

      I hope that big paper has an editor, or that you're embellishing your importance. The OP shows plenty of large organizations where this is an issue, anyway.

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    4. Re:I've been there. by haystor · · Score: 1

      A professional journalist probably doesn't have his editor review his /. posts.

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    5. Re:I've been there. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the old joke about the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the ethical journalist [lawyer]. Clearly this is karma whoring, because there's no such thing as an ethical journalist.

    6. Re:I've been there. by idontgno · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure the size of your scissors should make a difference on how individuals can be influenced.

      I'm sure the size of the scissors poised over certain Naughty Bits(tm) would influence me greatly. Well, if they were poised over my Naughty Bits(sm).

      Poised over the professional journalist's Naughty Bits(c), the shear size might influence the honesty of their review.

      By the bye, my lovely wife makes a pretty good living minding the spelling of several professional journalists. I bet she wishes she had shears of size to poise over their Naughty Bits(r), so that they might learn to spell and punctuate.

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  24. White House press secretary by dnoyeb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone that goes to interview at the White House has the same situation. Critisize and you will NOT be invited back. Be a hard nosed tough guy and you can forget it. The truth WILL make you free (from a job) after all.

    Look at Donahue.

    Honestly. I am an inner city Black Detroiter, and I will watch any stupid tear-jerker if Ebert says its good. He has been honest and only once was I ever disappointed. More should be like him. In general though he only does positive reviews...

    My mom always told me, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

    1. Re:White House press secretary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, another conspiracy theorist. More likely Donahue is gone because he is 80 years old and his act was tired 15 years ago when he retired the first time. Mod this crap down, jeez.

    2. Re:White House press secretary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is not! Our government has the best intentions and just wants to protect us from unamerican terrorists. If the white house press secretary doesn't want to talk about something, they have a good reason for avoiding the issue (national security?) and anyway, there's lots of other important shiny stuff to talk to the press about.

    3. Re:White House press secretary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donahue was canned because he was a hack who has no place in journalism at all. (Neither does Geraldo, so I don't condemn Donahue for trying to ride the same wave that inexplicably made Geraldo an OK person to have on a news station)

      The fact that Donahue's ratings were only marginally better than Nachman's didn't help him either.

    4. Re:White House press secretary by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      Donohue is better than whatever else they can come up with. So Thats why I think he was canned for his message. Not solely. But you can be sure they have fewer viewers now, and that does not make business sense. It makes some other kind of sense.

  25. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always love reviews of games that haven't shipped yet. Just a pile of regurgitated press releases and a few "golly-gee-whiz!"'s thrown in.

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  26. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the good read. I love games and took reviews with a "grain of salt". I look to newsgroups to give more realistic reviews.

  27. My two cents by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Currently, I'm helping out as a game reviewer at Netjak. However, I've been reviewing games since the late 1980s, and I have gotten my share of nasty e-mails, but very rarely have I seen a well-formed argument against my review. Most of the responses are from people who read only my review and trusted my word, without cross-checking with other reviews. While I am trying not to be influenced by the freebies I'm getting (yes, even such a small site as ours is a target of marketing campaigns, and yes, it is very hard to resist), I am the first person to admit that no single person can be objective. Thus, whenever one wants to make an informed purchase, he or she should consult various sources. Especially here, where the items cost up to $50 and most of the time cannot be returned to the store, relying on any single game reviewer is stupid and irresponsible.

    1. Re:My two cents by phorm · · Score: 1

      And not every reviewer is a big fan of every genre, regardless. What review sites need is a "feedback" or "comments" section. As long as you don't get too many trolls, then the users can add their own opinions to the review.

      If a reviewer says a game sucks, but isn't a fan of the genre... and then 5-15 people who have played the game and its predecessors rave... I'll check it out.

      If a reviewer says a game rocks, but the respondants say he made them waste their money, I'll save my $50.

    2. Re:My two cents by realdpk · · Score: 1

      You mean like http://www.gamespot.com/ ? They have a reviewer score and a separate "reader" score, which for some reason seems to be higher usually.

    3. Re:My two cents by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      where the items cost up to $50 and most of the time cannot be returned to the store

      you really need to move to a country, or state, with better commercial and/or consumer protection laws. Here in the good old USA the Uniform Commercial Code, as enacted by almost every state, says its illegal for a store to not give a refund if you arent allowed to inspect the product in full at the store, which includes being able to read the EULA and check the disc for scratches everywhere, and to actually try the software under some interpretations. Oh, and if you order it online instead of buying it at a store you have even more rights with regards to rejection.
    4. Re:My two cents by NetDanzr · · Score: 1
      To be honest, I know nothing about the Uniform Commercial Code. However, come here to New Jersey and try to return any kind of software that you opened and used at least once to any store. The best that can happen to you is that they would laugh at you, at worst (BestBuy example), they'll call security on you.

      The only exception they do (which they also state on their return policies) is that the stores would give you the same software in return. This facilitates the mechanical damage provisions, but does not cover the lack of quality of the product, which the article talks about.

    5. Re:My two cents by benzapp · · Score: 1

      You can sue in small claims court. The universal commercial code is not regulatory law, it governs how contracts and business relationships are recognized by the state. Thus, the poster was slightly wrong. Businesses don't HAVE to do anything according to the UCC, but you have the right to sue them.

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    6. Re:My two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, brilliant. Way to go, me. I apologize for the link of Doom, there.

    7. Re:My two cents by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      You can sue in small claims court.

      Around here, it costs $35 and two court appearances to sue somebody in small claims court, so it's mostly recovering wages and debt collection. Really, for $50, it's only useful if you want to irritate the store manager.

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    8. Re:My two cents by benzapp · · Score: 1

      Here in NYC its $15.

      It CAN be fun. And you recover $35. Better than nothing.

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    9. Re:My two cents by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      small claims returns filing fees in the judgement almost all the time. $39 fee to win a $500 judgement? they have to give you $539. etc. it would be worth $35 to get $85.

  28. Re:WOW, WHAT AN EXCELLENT FEATURE!!! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah. I can speak from experience. Was a writer for a prominent website, and reviewed Linux games. You're expected to throw ethics away. I reviewed Loki products. One particular product, I gave a very bad review. I had given glowing reviews to previous titles, but felt this one was poor, but did level most of the criticism at the original developer, NOT Loki.

    Loki contacted my editor to complain, and my editor tore me a new one. He made it quite clear that honesty was not what they expected in reviews. I had a BIG problem with this and eventually quit in disgust at the complete lack of ethics and honesty in the business.

  29. I've reviewed games & done interviews by fudgefactor7 · · Score: 5, Informative

    And I have to tell you, even in my really limited exposure to it all, that TRUTH and FACTS will get you farther than HYPE. I played a game that sucked, control=crappy; premise=retarded. I deemed it necessary to say so in my review (and no, I won't tell you what it was that I reviewed).

    Shock and horror! I got nasty emails from not only the site owner but from the manufacturer. Reviews like mine didn't sell games. Selling games makes money. Money that goes to making more games, which in a trickle-effect helps sites that do reviews, and the reviewers.

    But I didn't give a shit. Know why? Because I was unpaid. It didn't effect my bottom-line at all. I spoke the truth as I saw it. Still do.

    But notice I don't review games anymore.

    Ask Billy "Wicked" Wilson, he'll tell you the same thing. Why do you think he hasn't made a return yet? His new site is "ready to go" but he's lost the drive to do so: the shit you have to go through just isn't worth it.

    1. Re:I've reviewed games & done interviews by ziriyab · · Score: 1
      if the TRUTH and FACTS get your farther than HYPE then why aren't you and Billy "Wicked" Wilson reviewing games any more?

      Unfortunately, from your own account of things, people who write FACTUAL reviews get kicked aside and unethical people who know how to play the game are the ones still around.

    2. Re:I've reviewed games & done interviews by fudgefactor7 · · Score: 1

      I no longer write reviews mainly because I no longer care... Billy, on the other hand has had some relatively recent difficulties that he had to deal with. Once those were sorted out, he then sat back and decided that the daily drudge wasn't worth it any more. And you're right, pretty much all the remaining reviewers are kissing up in the name of freebies. When I read a review the first thing I do is subtract 1/3 of their total points--which brings it into reality--then I read the rest of the review, after that I read other reviews (following the same formula), then I see if I can catch a glimpse of it being played (at a store, or in the mall, wherever...) It's the only true way to be informed. But even doing all that you sometimes get burned. Some games just seem totally great until about a week after playing, then something slaps you in the face and you lose your taste for the game--Tribes 2 was like that for many (the infinite number of patches pissed a lot of people off--but not me, as I never had any problem, other than being a really lousy player.)

    3. Re:I've reviewed games & done interviews by RowdyReptile · · Score: 1

      Reviews like mine didn't sell games. Selling games makes money. Money that goes to making more games, which in a trickle-effect helps sites that do reviews, and the reviewers.

      How about the trickle-effect of writing honest reviews that encourage the game makers to make better games??

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    4. Re:I've reviewed games & done interviews by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, THAT happens a lot. The people from Medieval: Total War asked how I could critize their engine and give it the score I did, then they said they'd send me out another copy to review, in case I had a bad one and never did.

      At the SAME TIME they had GameRankings.com devalue all our reviews by constantly hammering the site owner with complaints about us. It's much easier to buy good reviews.

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  30. ummmm.. no I retract my last post.. by joeldg · · Score: 0, Troll

    gamespot and rainbow six asked you to write an article on slashdot so they would get some hits.
    I see through your clever marketing scheme..
    once bought, always bought.

  31. Re:FREAKY FRIDAY! i am taco, taco is me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be nice if you could actually spell "trolling".

  32. State of the Game Reviewer Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Some games are hailed by the vast majority of critics as being exceedingly good or exceedingly terrible. Other games, such as MoO3 are regarded quite differently among different reviewers (even the more professional sites).

    It is good that sites such as Team Xbox aren't afraid to give a mediocre game a mediocre score. But notice how harsh GameSpot can be on the same game.

    Although there are a lot of "cookie cutter" game review sites out there that don't post quality articles there is nonetheless a growing number of quality sites whose opinions you should expect.

    The big three (GameSpot, IGN, and GameSpy) generally have the most clout among gamers. How long will that last?

  33. reviews suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I worked for a small (6 employees) developer. We made low-budget ($150k or so) titles, but they were solid, fun to play and a good value, IMO. But plenty of reviewers felt free to completely slam us. Some reviews were positive and fair, some were negative but fair, but a good number were excessively negative to the point of being completely unfair. Some looked like they hadn't really played the game much, or had maybe only played the demo. Some had plagiarized stuff from other reviews. At least one reviewer was clearly having hardware problems, which are as likely to be the drivers fault as not. Also, many of the reviews have suggestions that would be impossible or very expensive to implement.

    The reviews that are the most objective, I think, are the ones in PC Gamer, and Computer Games magazine. Gamespot is usually ok too. The rest of the stuff on the web could just be any 14 year old with an agenda.

    1. Re:reviews suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe you could just stop writing crappy games.

    2. Re:reviews suck by c_jonescc · · Score: 1

      I use Gamespot reviews on occasion; a rule of thumb that has worked for me:

      Don't buy any game you haven't personally played, or have a good friend who has played unless it gets:

      An 'excellent' rating in the review

      AND

      User ratings are pretty matched with the reviewers after a couple weeks.

      I've seen a few posts today about USENET, but I've never used it as a review forum.

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    3. Re:reviews suck by Nept · · Score: 1

      The rest of the stuff on the web could just be any 14 year old with an agenda

      What 14 year old is going to have an agenda? If they say it sucked, chances are that's what they meant.

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    4. Re:reviews suck by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Go read Gamespot or EBGames' user reviews of Zelda: the Wind Waker. While most of them might not have an agenda, per se, most of them made up their minds before even playing the game.

      I don't think it's that much different in game reviews. I remember a review of Mischief Makers for the N64 started out as, basically: "you are a maid with a vacuum cleaner, this game sucks." Personally, I found it to be a great action/platformer -- with no vacuum cleaners, ever, leading me to believe that the reviewer hadn't even played the first 2 levels of the game. How many more people might have bought the game if instead, he'd said "this game, while quirky, has great controls and a wide variety of levels. The humor in the game is tough to swallow, but you won't care while you're blasting your way through the 50 stages"?

      Fortunately, most reviewers have the sense to give Wind Waker the praise it deserves. But imagine that it was instead developed by Treasure, and wasn't called Zelda: do you think they'd have still given it the playtime necessary to see how good a game it is?

      --Jeremy

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    5. Re:reviews suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd guess their agenda would be something along the lines of:

      w00t! fr33 G4m3Z!

      At 14 I'd probably have said just about anything to keep the free games coming. Now that I'm older it takes more to get me to sell out.

      Like booth babes and SWAT gear. Or booth babes in SWAT gear. Yeah baby. Disarm this dirty bomb...

      Oh, fuck it. Who am I kidding. I'm still 14. w00t!

  34. I don't know... by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I expect a reviewer to be honest. I know that's like expecting a three-year old not to eat the donut the minute you leave the room, but that's how I feel.

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  35. Ebert by DG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Something has happened to ol' Ebert in the last year or so... I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but there's a definate change in him.

    He's telling it like it is, big time. He pulls no punches, and isn't afraid to venture into some deep and muddy waters.

    As a consequence, I've found myself paying much more attention to him lately, and mostly agreeing with him after the fact too.

    Ebert rocks.

    BTW, hi from Windsor.

    DG

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    1. Re:Ebert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always check out what Ebert has to say before going to watch a movie. Sometimes I disagree with what he has to say about movies, even though I might understand his complaints. He was particularly hard on Zoolander, which I thought was hilarious.

      In general, we agree except when it comes to comedies and David Lynch.

    2. Re:Ebert by charlito · · Score: 1

      Here, here. I dig Ebert as well. He's always given fairly accurate reviews, although we might not share the same tastes. Check out his little Answer man column on his website (sorry too lazy to get it). His comments on that are usually very good. My favorite Ebert review... Dazed and Confused "art crossed with anthropology", but then I'm biased.

    3. Re:Ebert by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      from Windsor...? where? Canada? UK?

    4. Re:Ebert by Galvatron · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't know that he's changed. It seems to me he's always been pretty honest. All his reviews since '85 are up for perusal on the Sun Times site. Indeed, if you're ever bored, go through and read his half star reviews, they're hilarious (the 0 star reviews are less funny, generally because he's reviewing comedy movies, or he has something against a specific movie).

      I don't always agree with his reviews, but I nearly always understand his criticisms or praises. He does seem rather softhearted on movies about slavery, though (his review of Amistad was very overgenerous, and one of his main criticisms of Gods and Generals was that it didn't focus enough on how the Confederacy was evil for having slaves). It's a shame Siskel died, the two counterbalanced each other brilliantly. This new guy, Roper, is a moron.

      Actually, one thing which I think is kind of cool is that when my mother attended the University of Illinois, Ebert was doing the film reviews for the student paper. That's a goddamn long time to be reviewing movies!

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      "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
    5. Re:Ebert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent of that post mentioned that he's in Detroit. Windsor, Ontario is just across the lake from Detroit. I'm betting the Ontario Windsor was being referred to.

  36. Today I Became A Man! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This thing happens all the time

    Well, of course it does! The only thing peculiar here is that a weepy coming-of-age story about it makes it to the front page of SlashDot!

    The bar is so much lower for Game reviews, as opposed to other consumer products, because the reviewers for the most part are poorly-paid and impressionable kids with even less experience (if this is possible) than music reviewers. Does anyone read the reviews of game software, especially those on Websites, and believe for a heartbeat there is some kind of Wisdom of The Ages being levied there? Can you imagine how they must have read before the adult edited them? Yipes!

    These junkets, freebies, tsotchkes, payolas, etc etc yadda yadda all comprise the grease for the wheels for a whole caste of underpaid newbie journalists looking for real writing jobs. Consumers all know this... don't they?

    Obiwan, if you really felt so emotionally scarred by the whole episode, what you should have done was stuck it out and become a Trusted and Uncorruptible Force for Game Reviewing Goodness.

    You've gone and let the Dark Side win, Bunky!

    1. Re:Today I Became A Man! by mrpuffypants · · Score: 1

      These junkets, freebies, tsotchkes, payolas, etc etc yadda yadda all comprise the grease for the wheels for a whole caste of underpaid newbie journalists looking for real writing jobs. Consumers all know this... don't they?

      I present, for your consideration, Kangaroo Jack

  37. Re:war and games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do shut up. Hollywood has been begging for another war. How many times can you retell WWII?

  38. I trust Consumer Reports pretty well.. by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They don't accept any form of advertisement, and (unlike any other review source of any kind I know of) do not allow ANY of their reviews or material to be used in ANY advertising campaigns. They instantly go after any company that attempts this. Also they aren't afraid to pull punches, and are often instremental in getting things recalled that have saftey implications.

    Not only that, but they lobby the government for lots of consumer protection and saftey regulations from everything from auto saftey, and childrens toys, to DRM (yes, consumer union is fighting for us in the DRM arean as well).

    1. Re:I trust Consumer Reports pretty well.. by ShawnDoc · · Score: 2
      You can't just look at the ratings, you have to read how they tested the items and what they are looking for. Often times Consumer Reports is weighing certain things heavily that you might not think are important, and some times I don't really think the reviewers really know what to look for. I remember them giving Packard Bell computers "Best Buy" (Or whatever CS calls it) ratings consistantly despite the poor workmanship and inadequate power supplies.

      In addition I've noticed brand preferences crop up in their auto reviews. In one review, they slammed Brand A's car for having too small of a trunk. However in the same review, they praised Brand B (Which always gets glowing reviews from them)'s trunk which from their own figures was smaller than Brand A's, and from real life experience is also less usable do to door hinges which fold into the trunk.

      So I guess what I'm trying to say, is that even Consumer Reports shouldn't be taken as a bastion of "Correct Opinion". Instead, you should always read reviews from multiple sources, and be sure to actually read the reviews to see why they rated the game/movie/product the way they did.

      For me, often times movie reviews that rate a movie poorly make me want to see the movie because I'm looking for in a movie tend to go against the values that most "professional reviewers" look for. What they lament I might be craving.

    2. Re:I trust Consumer Reports pretty well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever read a computer review in Consumer Reports? You might have noticed that they don't do a very good job of covering what's really important, right? Well guess what: all of the reviews in there are like that--well meaning text written by people with a passing knowledge of the field. If you dig into any review CR publishes, you'll find that anyone who is knowledgable in the field laughs at it. Try it some time: find something in CR you know a lot about and see what they write. You'll likely scoff at it. All of the rest of the reviews deserve a dismilar scoffing, because they're all like that, you just don't necessarily know it unless you're informed on a topic already.

      The only thing I find Consumer Reports useful for are the used car reliability data they collect. That has some bias because it's being collected from CR readers, but over the years I've found they correlate rather well with real-world experience.

    3. Re:I trust Consumer Reports pretty well.. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The thing is that CR's audience is not the experts in a particular field. Expert computer users have a different set of needs than the average consumer. So too with just about everything else they review - cars are reviewed for the typical soccer mom or the typical 9-to-5 commuter, not the hardcore driving enthusiast. Home theater equipment is not reviewed for the a/v geek with a $20K system, the audience is the average joe who rents a DVD from blockbuster every few weeks and has a regular sized tv. Etc, etc.

      Beyond reviewing things for the average consumer they spell out their ratings critieria. Hardly any other publication is so candid. You may not agree with their criteria, but at least you know exactly what it is. With other reviews you are often left guessing as to exactly why one particular brand/model was preferred over another one. And, if you get two different reviewers in other magazines, their biases are likely to be both hidden and very different. So you can't even compare between them. CR is as close to an unbiased, level playing field you are going to get in this world.

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    4. Re:I trust Consumer Reports pretty well.. by brunes69 · · Score: 1
      Of course they are reviewed for the average consumer.. hence "Consumer Reports". But if you are a hard core PC'er (like me) then you don't need some reveriers opinion in the first place, you should have enoughe xperience and be well enough versed in the technicalities to choose products youself. I would never buy a PC from *ANYWHERE* just because *ANYONE* said it was "#1", I would look at the specs, see if they're in line with what I want, the manufacturers of the cards, OS support, etc etc.

      The same is true of any other consumer product, but thing is, no one is an *expert* at *everything*. When I want to buy a coffee maker or a toaster oven, I am not really interested in tweaking it out, or how many BTUs it puts out at -20 in an igloo, or if the coffee maker supports RFC 2324. I want to know how it stood up to their tests of what an average Joe uses it for, and how these compar ein terms of price, so I can get the best machine for my money. Belive it or not, this is what most people want out of their computers as well... they don't care if the modem is a winmodem that doesn't work in linux, or if the sound cards is software based... all theyc are about is "when I turn it on, does it not crash" and "is the support good" and "how much is it".

  39. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Stiletto · · Score: 1


    Insightful? Please.

    I'd be willing to bet CASH that more than 50% of Amazon's "user reviews" are either:

    1. Hype from the publisher's marketing department or professional reviewers with a stake in the product

    2. Astroturfing sponsored by the publisher or author.

    3. So-called "bulk reviews" which are basically madlib-like cut-and-paste jobs with the product and company's name inserted throughout a standard "praise review" document

    The last one is Amazon reviewers' insideous form of karma-whoring! It's like finding a well-thought-out, reasonable and informative post on slashdot, only to find that it's a cut-and-paste of 200 identical other posts sent to different articles (We've seen them here).

    BEWARE AMAZON SO-CALLED USER REVIEWS. MOST ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY BOGUS!

  40. text of article by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ethics in Video Game Journalism

    Credibility is a high stakes concern in this multimillion dollar industry.

    Justin Hall
    posted: 2003-04-10

    The video gaming industry has come a long way.

    Starting with the simple Pong game three decades ago and evolving into lavishly drawn interactive epics, the scale of games and the size of their audience has grown exponentially, with sales in the billions of dollars and major multinational corporations clamoring for a piece of the action.

    But despite these signs of a fast-growing industry, the print and online publications that cover video games often employ fans who unwittingly make poor ethical choices.

    The first print magazine covering video games Electronic Games was co-founded by Bill Kunkel in 1981. Kunkel describes those early days in a recent interview: "To an extent, we were cheerleaders for the industry -- we loved these games, we wanted to see more of them, we wanted to keep writing about them."

    Not much has changed in the past 20 years. Game publications and Web sites still mostly employ low-paid hobbyists who are easy targets of lavish marketing events that encourage inappropriate ties between game makers and game critics.

    These unwholesome relationships were put under a spotlight by an article in the Los Angeles Times last August "Gamers' Perks, or 'Playola'?" by Alex Pham. In an interview with Online Journalism Review, Pham said she was motivated to write the piece when she discovered that game journalists "get to do outrageously fun things." She noted that software publishers arranged for journalists to shoot guns, skydive and race cars -- all under the pretense of researching video games.

    Nowhere was Pham's article discussed more than FatBabies.com. Fatbabies traffics in stories of outrage in game development and game publishing -- gossip for game industry employees. Responding to Pham's story, a Fatbabies writer "FatGameSpotGuru" savagely derided most game journalists as biased amateurs who "wouldn't understand the concept of journalistic integrity if it came and bit them in the ass."

    Into the Breach

    I recently attended a game industry junket hosted by Ubi Soft to promote their Tom Clancy military-industrial techno-thriller video games. Editors and writers from a wide range of game industry and mainstream media were invited to the Presidio, a defunct military base in San Francisco. There, we had a chance to play the latest games, mingle with some of the game developers, eat delicious sandwiches and drink at an open bar. And a lucky few of us were chosen to "undergo real counterterrorist operative training" from a decorated federal marshal and close-quarters battle instructor.

    One game on display, Rainbow Six 3, included a portion modeled after part of the Presidio -- we were going to play that level in real life. We were suited up in flak jackets and received air rifles loaded with plastic pellets. In small groups, we were sent out to storm a building, shoot hostiles, liberate hostages and neutralize a dirty bomb. It was an event lifted straight from the screen, a real-life game action. The other journalists, all men, all looking under 35, were psyched. And when I left in an unmarked white van in a black suit with a black gun and a black Rainbow Six 3 balaclava over my head, preparing to move through a darkened building with broken windows lead by a gruff middle-aged SWAT team member, shooting terrorists with glowing plastic pellets, I was completely enthralled as well.

    Credibility

    Junkets are nothing new in entertainment journalism. Writers covering the movie industry are invited to nice hotels to confer with stars over expensive meals. Pulitzer-prize winning film critic Roger Ebert says that when he first started working at the Chicago Sun-Times, reporters would accept any trip they were offered. Now, he says he pays his own expenses when attending industry events.

    Aaron Boulding, editor in charge of IGN's Xbox coverage,

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  41. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Brooks+Davis · · Score: 1

    I have to disagree on the usefullness of Amazon reviews. The number of products with high and low, but no middle scores is astounding. Most reviews seem to come from someone who loved the product, some who hated it, or someone who decided to randomly review several hundred unrelated things one day.

    -- Brooks

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  42. php... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fastest web pages evar! Hi mom!

  43. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    disclaimer: Of course, USENET is also great for this purpose and predates Amazon, but Amazon is more in the public consciousness these days than USENET is.
    Would you rather go by the review of somebody similar to yourself (who knows about and uses usenet) or some 13 year old kid?
  44. Re:war and games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    American and muslim? Since when is "muslim" a nationality? You're probably an Arab Fascist pig.

  45. Hey by inerte · · Score: 1

    Don't worry about me. You would never piss me off.

    *cough* Emule *cough*

  46. I pirate to review. by forgetmenot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only movie reviewer I pay any heed to is the filthy critic.
    His diatribes are a little tiring after a while, but at least the reviews are honest. Sadly he doesn't review games. The best form of review for games is a pirated copy of the full version. Seriously. I only buy games that I've played pirated first (and I DO go out and buy the game if I really like it) or belong to a series that I've enjoyed before. Even then, you get the odd stink-fest (panzer general 3 and warlords 3 come to mind).

    Is there a filthy critic of the game world?

    1. Re:I pirate to review. by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      That's about the only way to actually test PC games these days, sadly.

      You can't rent 'em, that's illegal too. You can't return them once they've been opened. The demos are often nowhere near representative of the product itself (for instance UT2003-- the final game had three patches before they updated the demo. The demo had completely untuned gameplay.)

      Annoying moral dilemma made possible because you really don't want to waste money.

    2. Re:I pirate to review. by ArmyOfFun · · Score: 1

      This is a honest question, is there any reason to pirate games when there are almost always free demos available? There may be the odd case where what you can play in a demo is way better than the rest of the game, but this usually isn't the case. The demos almost always give a very real sense of what the rest of the game will be like.

      And when you only sorta like the game you pirated, do you go out and buy it, or do you delete your pirate copy and never play again? Or maybe you like the game just enough to keep the illegal copy but never pay for the real thing?

    3. Re:I pirate to review. by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      I must amend that comment.

      You _can_ look at reviews, but half the time that doesn't tell you about how it'll run on your hardware.. and you have to question the bias of the reviewers and editors.

      In the end, it would SEEM to be sadly easier to pirate for testing.

      Me? I just wait a week on my purchase unless it's something I've really been waiting for.

    4. Re:I pirate to review. by forgetmenot · · Score: 1

      Both good points, especially considering I have a gamespy account and can download all the demos I want (though I never have... but that's another issue). Oddly enough, the only demo version of any game I have ever played is the doom demo. But I guess that sort of leads to the answer to the next point: working fulltime and being a parent doesn't leave me a lot of time to actually play anything. So I either like a game enough to go buy it and commit whatever free time I have to it, or it just isn't worth my time and it gets uninstalled never to see the light of day again. I give the pretty-colored cd's to my 3 yr old daughter who mangles them up pretty good.

    5. Re:I pirate to review. by ArmyOfFun · · Score: 1

      Heh, don't get me wrong, while I was kinda sorta making a point I was also just curious. So thanks for replying.

    6. Re:I pirate to review. by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Filthy hates just about every single movie he sees. What makes him good, is the fact that most movies are crap to begin with, so he is usually pretty much correct. I was jaded before I met the critic, now I realise it is not me who is jaded, but the movie industry. And at least he explains his reasons for disliking a movie, in great, graphic detail.

    7. Re:I pirate to review. by rpillala · · Score: 1
      Is there a filthy critic of the game world?

      There used to be. By all accounts they'll be back but I stopped holding my breath about 6 months ago.

      Anyone know more?

      Ravi

      --
      When the axe came to the forest, the trees said, "Look out - the handle was once one of us."
  47. hello mr. critical thinking by WankersRevenge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Honestly, you should never just take one persons advice. Get a lay of the land first before you make a decision. That's why I love these sites:

    www.rottentomatoes.com
    www.gamerankings.com


    The same can be said about news media. If you just get your perspective from CNN or FOX, then you're only learning one perspective.

    1. Re:hello mr. critical thinking by SuperJim · · Score: 1

      Very good sites, and in the same spirit, there is also:

      www.gametab.com

    2. Re:hello mr. critical thinking by robson · · Score: 1

      Also Metacritic...

  48. Best submission I've read in a bit on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Great article and write up. I agree wholeheartedly with the submitters experience and the article. It is hard to break into the reviewers role and not get sucked in. That's one of the reasons I've tried to look for people who are not reviewers to give me an idea of what they like. For instance I read Tycho and Gabe's musings on Penny Arcade's news write ups and look at weblogs and such. Sure I am not immune to astro turfing but hey I try.

    At the same time though if you really do want to compete with cutting edge (as in time) reviews and get traffic (for whatever reason and there are a great deal more than just making money)you need a source for information and that usually means either a pirated, imported or reviewers copy of the game or product. Each has it's own problems some of which were mentioned in the article.

    The other problem I run into is the lack of consistency in say an anime series. What if you legitimately liked the first five episodes of the series but when the next five came along you just went blah. You already hyped the first five but should you spend the time to write another review to say the next five blew chunks? If you aren't being paid and don't feel strongly should you feel obligated to lavish negative criticism on a franchise? If you are being paid then there is that inertia that the submitter and article mention.

    The internet made possible so many methods to express our views and build communities but at the same time there is the whole journalistic approach and the personal approach ever in conflict.

    Just another poster over on animeusenet.org

    1. Re:Best submission I've read in a bit on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried to look for people who are not reviewers to give me an idea of what they like. For instance I read Tycho and Gabe's musings on Penny Arcade's news write ups

      Hate to burst your bubble there, pal. But Penny Arcade guys accept money from advertisers such as Nintendo. I would say this hardly qualifies them as objective when it comes to reviews and write-ups (not that there is a difference between the two as you seem to propose)

    2. Re:Best submission I've read in a bit on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hate to burst your bubble there, pal. But Penny Arcade guys accept money from advertisers such as Nintendo. I would say this hardly qualifies them as objective when it comes to reviews and write-ups (not that there is a difference between the two as you seem to propose)"

      No but they have a personality and tendancies that seem for the most part to dovetail on my own. Also I consider what they write to be more of a heads up on what's out there and what they like rather than an unbiased review. Also note I mentioned the total possibility that both I and those sources could be astro turfed ect.

  49. Some reviews aren't so bad by Winterblink · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Sites like Gamespot have the user rankings and reviews to go along with the editorial reviews (which, compared to drivel sites like IGN are fantastic). I find it great to go through and read not only the glowing player reviews but also the downright slamming ones. On more than one occasion I've played a game where the minority of players said it sucked -- and found my thoughts right in line with theirs after trying it out. I'm not saying this is the way to go for all games, but it's good to read the negatives.

    For editorial reviews, I head straight to Game Rankings or GameTab. They're great at showing all the editorials out there and averaging the scores. I usually find the averages are a more faithful indicator than the 100% fanboy review at the top of the pile.

    Just my 2c.

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    -Hoban Washburn
  50. Big, weepy, crocodile tears by writertype · · Score: 1

    Mea culpa, mea culpa! I, Obiwan, was young, an innocent lad of just 22, and I succumbed to the stinking moral quagmire that is the games industry. But look! I've recovered, I've seen the error of my ways, ansd have come asking for forgiveness...Hallelujah!

    Oh, for Chrissake. Just link to the damn story, and then add a comment in the forums. Or at least make it an amusing tirade, such as the awful darkness of caffeine addiction.

    Talk about a cry for attention.

  51. Real Videogame Reviewers Are Not Biased by GamezCore.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have worked in the videogame industry for over 4 years now, and I am the owner of a 100% independent Playstation 2 website GamezCore.com

    I can honestly say that any REAL, professional, videogame reviewer, not the I-wanna-review-games-cuz-I-get-em-free reviewers are about as non-biased as they come. As the poster of this article found in only *TWO* reviews, reader's will quickly smell bullshit reviews and your credibility is lost forever. For a professional in the industry, this would spell the end of a career.

    In the end, however, reviews do come down to personal opinion... they are not scientific. I may find great joy in subtle nuances of a particular title, where another may not even notice. It is the same as an untrained eye viewing a work of art and an art historian... they will see two wildly different things. This is not bias, it comes from a deeper understanding of the material at hand. I tend to step back and review a game from a more general sense, rather than from my trained eye.

    Where I think the videogame reviewing industry needs to change is in the scoring. On a scale of 1-10 almost 90% of games will fall in the 7-10 area. This span of three points is hardly a good way to evaluate 90% of the games out there, but it is where almost all game reviews fall. However, if I would give a game a 5 (which would be average) no one would ever even think of buying it... but 5 would be where many games would sit on a truly even scale.

    Not too many professionals are going to risk credibility over a $40.00 game, and we at GamezCore have lost publishers over bad reviews, no big deal... we'll purchase the games if we have to and still review them as honestly as if we had received them directly. Bias is more to be found in the print media world, where hidden ties and money trails tend to cross more often than realized.

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    1. Re:Real Videogame Reviewers Are Not Biased by Shads · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bullshit. Hands down bullshit, I know professional reviewers, they won't even get stuff past the editors if they give an a-list title below a 7. You can't tell me (especially after MOO3) that all a-list titles are worth a 7.

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      Shadus
    2. Re:Real Videogame Reviewers Are Not Biased by GamezCore.com · · Score: 1

      umm... did you read what I said? my quote "However, if I would give a game a 5 (which would be average) no one would ever even think of buying it... but 5 would be where many games would sit on a truly even scale." I am saying exactly what you stated... in a perfect world the rating system would change because too many games get a 7-10 rating. I am saying that most games deserve a 5, however due to the current rating structures these are the games that would be given a 7.

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      www.GamezCore.com For Hardcore PS2 Gamerz : By Hardcore PS2 Gamerz
    3. Re:Real Videogame Reviewers Are Not Biased by Shads · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree, but if someone is given the game to review the editor should be required to run the review they turn in. They should not be able to pay the reviewer a killfee and shitcan the review because they don't want to put a review up about x game under x rating.

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  52. good reviews != free goodies?!? by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yes, it was unethical as hell, but I was under the deluded thinking that if you trash a free game the free games stop coming. I wish I could tell you I knew better, but back then I did not.

    ...said as if to imply that manufacturers don't bias the samples(or access, especially pre-release, and especially with expensive goods) to people who gloat about them.

    I know that the digital camera review sites pretty much gloat about every single camera they get- if there's anything negative, its little nitpicky things; "oh, I didn't quite like the texture on the grip". Sometimes they toss in a disclaimer about the camera being pre-production and thus 'things might be different'.

    To memory, not a single review on any of the big digicam review sites mentioned the horrible focusing problems on the Canon D60 until well after they were on the market; a lot of D60s had front/back focusing problems, and the focusing system itself was quickly found to be slow as shit.

    Reviewers gushed about the Canon Powershot G1; when I bought mine, 8 months later, I found there were all sorts of oddball restrictions on what combinations of modes and features you could use that none of the reviewers had mentioned. It was slow as shit to operate. It always seemed to generate noisy, out of focus pictures. While they mentioned the horrible bleed-over on bright spots from the CCD, they didn't mention the horrible washed-out look you'd get in a lot of pictures where anything even remotely bright was in the frame(it looks like you're in a cloud of fog, basically.) Every 'sample' picture I saw posted looked picture-perfect, and after shooting thousands upon thousands of frames with my camera, I have rarely, if at all, been able to duplicate the quality I've seen in many sample pictures posted on review sites.

    I learned my lesson: wait until others have bought whatever you're looking at, see what comes up on the message boards in places like photo.net, and go to a store and try it out yourself(in many cases with digicams for example, you can even rent them- and sometimes the store gives a credit towards the purchase price for money you drop on renting). Similar things can be said about games- try before you buy(many stores have systems set up with demos), and see what people in the messageboards say, taking what they say with a BIG grain of salt. Most people on the message boards and mailing lists:

    • Don't have to worry about pleasing Company A so they get an advance copy of The Next Big Thing(or at all)
    • Don't have to worry about having the Next Big Thing so they can draw hits to their site
    • Don't have to worry about keeping advertisers happy by drawing hits to the site
    • Don't have to worry about displeasing advertisers who might be selling the product that's being reviewed(hello- lots of review sites sell adspace to online sites etc that sell the very products they review!)
    • Don't have to worry about enticing people to buy through affiliate links/banner ads. Are you going to write a bad review if you've got 5 links at the bottom for affiliates where people can buy Product X and you get some money? How could you POSSIBLY be objective?!?

    ...but that doesn't mean they're not, say, someone in Company A's marketing department, hyping up the product- it's been proven to happen, and those were just the morons who were too blatant about it.

    Reviewers are con-artists, and cheats- there are FEW honest ones among them, and the story author admits to being one, and even tries to make us feel sorry for him. Sorry, I don't. The whole setup is loaded with wash-my-back-I-wash-yours deals.

  53. Hmmm by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

    Does make sense, though, for people who are going to be reviewing Rainbox Six 3 or whatever to actually try out counter-terrorist operations; gives them something to compare the gameplay to, other than, oh, Quake.

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  54. If you just read the stars... by FredFnord · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then you deserve what you get.

    There are two forces at play here: first, if you take a spectrum of people and have them review an item, and have a 5 star rating system, three stars will always be the least frequently given rating. Why? Because everyone always leans one way or the other, and if they don't lean far, then they just narrow their spectrum.

    Second, if you don't care much one way or the other about an item, how likely are you to spend the time to review it.

    So don't look at the scores! Read the reviews instead. I frequently do find them useful.

    -fred

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    1. Re:If you just read the stars... by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I see this again and again on online forums (with a few exceptions) You only get the extremes of opinions, either posts by fanboys extolling the virtue of the product beyond all reason, or flamers spewing vitriol. However, the reviews aren't that much more insigtful, since the fanboys tend to praise everything about the game, or gloss over the rough spots, whereas the flamers tend to nitpick to extremes. Add to the fact that reviews in general are highly subjective dependent on individual tastes, and you're left with quite a quandary.

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  55. Of course ethics and integrity are important but.. by saiha · · Score: 1

    I know that in order for you to be cool you have to have the game the day it comes out, but seriously is it that hard to wait a day or two for user reviews to be written? Personally I look at professional review sites for screenshots, etc, and user reviews for actual gameplay impressions. Actually on second thought disreguard this, go out and buy the game the day it comes out so you can review it for me. saiha

  56. OOOoo by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    i always thought it was "Up, up, down, down, left, right, Left, right, B, A, Select start.". i wonder if that caused any problems-~

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    1. Re:OOOoo by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it was ab select start.

      I haven't played life force for ages though.

      my favorite code was the sonic up c down c ... codes.

      I alsways though people were being cute like upsy daisy and never got the codes right (well obviously I did eventualy, damn ypou hyperboly)

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  57. I reviewed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote reviews for Wewp! at one time (www.wewp.com) and I was honest. I did try to approach games with a positive attitude, but I gave my fare share of mediocre and bad scores.

  58. TROLL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't spell, crappy writing -- but the real giveaway that he's a troll -- He's pretending to be a journalist with ETHICS!!!!!
    Oh, that's rich.

  59. Re:Let's face it.... by SoftCoreHonesty · · Score: 1

    I have been playing the beta of Rise of Nations for the last week or so and I can tell you that it is the best thing to come out since Civ II. It still has a ton of bugs right now but hopefully those will be worked out. As odd as it may seem to some Microsoft has a pretty good record with releasing "finished" games.

  60. If you review my online games .... by mustangdavis · · Score: 3, Funny



    If you review my online games, and give them a good review, I will give you a "premium" account for free ....


    If you give them a not so favorable review, I'll change the name of your character to "Pink Fuzzy Bunny of Teletubby Land", and amybe take away a few of your ships or tanks (depending on which game you choose) ...



    http://war.coldfirestudios.com - WWII, War of Supremacy

    http://space.coldfirestudios.com - Space, Glory Through Conquest


    :)


  61. negative reviews by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't be the only one who looks for negative reviews, can I? There are too many ways that corporations could rig reviews, even at sites with paid reviewers (as opposed to reader/user reviews). My goal is to always find the negative reviews and see what they said. On any good product, you'll find that the majority of negative reviewers fall into 2 categories...people for whom the reviewed item didn't meet their need or people for whom the item was never intended, either because of the target audience or the reviewer was just plain stupid.

    Positive reviews only help to accent features that I haven't read about before. If I'm already looking at a review of something, chances are I know I want it so a positive isn't going to sway me into buying it.

    --trb

    1. Re:negative reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must get taken in by fanboys who have aligned themselves with competing products and are intentionally posting negative reviews/low scores.

      Witness the laughably low ebgames.com scores for the gamecube's best games and you will see that the low scores are posted by users with the word "xbox" practically IN THEIR USERNAMES disturbingly often.

  62. Gamespot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i used to listen to what that site had to say until i saw the ZDnet icon proudly displayed on the bottom... bringing the tradition of corporate funded reviewing and advertisement overflow to the web. thank you Ziff Davis for making 100 different magazines and web sites all read the same.

  63. yup! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    It wasn't just funny- it was true and rather sad.

    That being said, I can't wait to eat dinner tonight. I'm so hungry, I'm going to break open TWO barrels of food! (probably a chicken drumstick in each barrel)

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  64. Gametab is evil? by FredFnord · · Score: 1

    Gametab detects what browser you're using and doesn't allow you to view their site if it isn't IE, Netscape, or Opera.

    Just blanks it out. I tried it with Safari and a couple of others.

    Loverly.

    -fred

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    1. Re:Gametab is evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW,
      I had no problem with Konqueror 3.1, without messing with the User-Agent settings

      If you have mozilla, can't you make that tell the site you're using another browser?

      --localroger

    2. Re:Gametab is evil? by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      No problem with Safari.

  65. People Who Lie Suck. by Alkaiser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been writing game reviews on and off for 5 years now. I try to be as fair as I can, and I tell you for sure that freebies don't really influence my review.

    I used to work for the now defunct Gameplayer.com, and I reviewed a title from Take 2 Entertainment called "Reah". I gave it a -3 on a scale of 1 to 10. It was Myst/Riven clone, only it was exceedingly lame with weak graphics, and the controls very nearly made me vomit.

    I called up by Take 2, who complained about it. I didn't give a crap. I kept the score at -3. The other two times I got called were for slamming Titus' 1-button fighting game, "Evil Zone", and for ripping on Medieval: Total War, because I gave it the lowest score of all reviewers on Gamerankings.com.

    If you're going to pick up a game, do this first. Go to GameRankings.com, a site which will give you an instant look at all the main reviews/scores for a particular product, as well as their user's rating for the game. Read a couple of the reviews from there. Then make your decision.

    I'm honestly shocked at these people who are saying they were all up on some company's nuts just for a free game. Do you realize how much it costs them to send you a copy of the game? 50 cents for the disc and packaging and $4.50 for shipping. I appreciate not having to buy or rent your game, but if your game sucks, I probably wasn't going to buy it anyway.

    I'm not selling my soul for $5, so I can get some poor kid in high school or college, who probably doesn't have so much disposable income, to dump $50 on a game I honestly think is mediocre just so I can get more mediocre games for free.

    There are some people who praise game because they like the free stuff. There are others who rip games because they think it's fun or a power trip.

    Then there are others, like me, who remember what it was like to finally have scrounged up $40 and walking into Fry's to see that there 10 new games that sounded interesting and knowing they could only buy one. We've been burned more than enough times by companies who release software that doesn't work without a patch, promises to have features that got stripped out just before launch, or just simply sucks. I don't want a company getting rich off of misleading the customer. If that sounds good to you...check out our site as one of the two or three you use to get an idea of what a game's all about. And, as always...rent before buying if you have your doubts. When you do buy, use Ebay. The testers on the game are always trying to unload their free copies.

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  66. Re:Douchebag Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right about donahue, but you're still an ass.

  67. IGN by dnixon112 · · Score: 1

    Back when IGN wasn't filled to the brim with adverts and flash pop-overs I found their reviews to be especially good and for the most part without bias. I especially like how (and they still do this) two reviewers will review every game to get a second opinion. These days however, I'm just fed up with that site and stick to peer reviews online and from friends.

  68. Kevin Baird of videogamenews.com by Nurlman · · Score: 1

    ... has a well-considered, well-written piece (Google cache link, since I can't get the real VGN page to come up) on this subject.

    Kevin is one of the authors of the (tongue-in-cheek, in case you're an idiot) "crate rating" system, in which games are rated based on how long it takes to come across a crate to smash or jump on.

    The short answer: don't trust reviews.

  69. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by rabtech · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't point to Amazon as a bastion of integrity if I were you; many former staff members have confirmed that they edit reviews to be more positive. You can also find users who have gone back later to find their comments edited to say something completely different. The thing is, most users don't go back and look at the same items they've bought a month after to see if their review text was changed, so many don't even know that their name is attatched to completely different words.

    So take the Amazon reviews with a grain of salt here... you don't know if the review is legit or not, or how much it has been edited.

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  70. Thanks for all those crappy hunting games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asshole.

  71. That's just funny as hell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought I was the only one that noticed that some games are simply rich with texture for half the scenes, and vaguely more interesting than Castle Wolfenstien in others.

    I guess that was probably what I most liked most about MaxPayne. Creative throughout.

  72. As a former freelance game reviewer... by sharv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... I reviewed plenty of drek, and wasn't afraid to describe it as such.

    I used to write freelance reviews, maybe 5 or 6 years ago, for an site called "Online Gaming Review" - they've since gone belly-up.

    They would send me a game, sometimes a commercial copy, sometimes a gold-mastered final beta. I'd play it for a week or two, write a couple short pages, and they'd send me a check for $100. It was a great deal while it lasted.

    However, they did send me more than a few utterly worthless titles that never deserved to see the light of day. And that was my review. I didn't skimp on the details, I didn't play it only for a single day and make up a half-assed opinion. I took it seriously and tried to be a professional while slogging through some truly awful games.

    Some of my best reviews were on games I'd purchased myself (those spare hundreds came in handy) - I reviewed the original Fallout, and correctly predicted in my review that it would named Game Of The Year.

    So, no - I never got any great free stuff, unless you count those $100 checks for playing computer games "free stuff".

    Man, I'd love to have that side gig again!

    1. Re:As a former freelance game reviewer... by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
      I had a similar gig with GameSpot a few years ago, where we made gameplay movies for their website. We didn't have to do reviews, just make movies of us playing, put a soundtrack to it, add the GameSpot intro, etc. They saw our work at Now-Playing Games (npgames.com, no site there but I own it and quit it once I did so much work on it and never got a dime) and hired us as consultants to do the movies. They not only gave us (two of us) free gaming rigs to play the games, but they'd send us the actual games to make movies of (which we had to send back most of the time, and we did) and they paid us each $1000 a month for our trouble.

      Man, I would love that gig again. It all ended when our year contract was up and they had to make cuts. Then there was the issue of my partner refusing to send his gaming rig back at the end of the contract, which I'm sure put us on the "GameSpot Shit List Hall of Fame" for eternity. *sigh*

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  73. What bothers me by Apreche · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What really bothers me is graphics. Every video game magazine I've read, and every website, takes graphics into consideration when reviewing a game. If a game doesn't have amazing graphics then it usually gets bad review. The best video games ever all had terrible graphics. Mega Man 2, Zelda 1, Mario 3, River City Ransom, Combat, Breakout, Galaga, Missile Command, Pac-Man, Tetris. All these games had terrible graphics, but they are some of the best video games ever created.
    Video Game reviewers should only take the following things into consideration when reviewing a game.

    1) Is it fun?
    2) Will it provide fun for a long period of time, or is it a renter?
    3) Does anything in the game annoy you. Are there stupid puzzles. Do the controls not resdpond well.
    4) Is the music memorable? Will the player also want the soundtrack?

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    1. Re:What bothers me by tuffy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If a game doesn't have amazing graphics then it usually gets bad review. The best video games ever all had terrible graphics. Mega Man 2, Zelda 1, Mario 3, River City Ransom, Combat, Breakout, Galaga, Missile Command, Pac-Man, Tetris. All these games had terrible graphics, but they are some of the best video games ever created.

      For their time, each of those games (with the exceptions of Tetris, Combat and Breakout) had some of the best graphics around. Really. Mega Man 2 and Zelda 1 were early NES titles and hold up quite well, even compared to later titles like Super Mario Bros. 3 (whose own graphic goodness was rarely exceeded on the NES). Heck, even Pac Man offered an impressive amount of fluidity and animation compared to other offerings at the time.

      Graphics aren't everything, naturally, but few "classic" titles didn't offer impressive (or at least acceptable) graphics alongside excellent gameplay.

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    2. Re:What bothers me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm shocked -- shocked! -- that you actually said that. To imply that graphics should not be even considered.

      Tell me, how stunning a film would The Lord of the Rings (geek example here; I know my audience) be without the sweeping vista shots of New Zealand, the immersive fluidity of Gollum's movements, the piercing shrieks of the Ring-Wraithes? Or without even the swelling, well-orchestrated epic soundtrack?

      The quality of a game -- or equivalently, the quality of fun -- is the sum, or greater than the sum of its parts. That includes those parts that appeal directly to your senses.

      To suggest that these parts do not even deserve consideration is as irresponsible a form of journalism as the PR-influenced reviews this article discusses.

    3. Re:What bothers me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am shocked too, but I wonder if what he really meant was what you said... taking the whole immersion into perspective. I also think reviews should have an extra wildcard category that the reviewer defines, based upon the main theme/genre of the game. For example, a Myst type of game would have a category for graphics while a FPS would have sound and graphical capacity (not prettiness). I myself feel that too often reviewers do not do an adequate of reviewing the game for what it is. I remember once a review for an RPG that only mentioned graphics as an afterthought. It did however focus on character customization and development as well as total immersion and player choice (e.g. non linear plot and multiple solutions).

  74. Re:WOW, WHAT AN EXCELLENT FEATURE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was a writer for a prominent website, and reviewed Linux games.

    Wow, you must have had to write a whole 4 or 5 articles in about ten years.

  75. Re:war and games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is "muslim" implied as a nationality? You can say, "CmdrTaco likes to have sex with niggers and little boys." "Since when are 'little boys' a skin color!" So please shut up, Mr. Pebblenutz.

  76. Game Developer & Writer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a game developer and also a writer I've had experience from both sides of the coin. I've had reviewers write a six-page puff piece on the latest & greatest game I was working on only to leave me anticipating the game's publication so that I could play it because it sounds so cool and I'm wondering why I didn't think of all those cool features it's going to have. Also as a writer I've reviewed games, movies, restaurants and development software. Some it has been free, some of it has been bought, and some co-opted through the company. I'd like to think that I'm pretty much un-influeced by "free stuff", sure it's neat to get a new package in the post of some cool new piece of software but I also need to be objective. I just wrote a review of an SDK that costs several tens of thousands of dollars, the company was very helpful, and I gave it a good-ish review, not because the company went out of their way to lavish attention on me, but because the product is actually pretty good and I'd had positive experience with it in the past, before I decided to review it, and thefore draw the attention of the publishing company. Previously I reviewed an IDE & compiler from a well known embedded tools publisher and I had a lot of negative things to say about it, and now I'm interested in reviewing another of their products, which this particular company understandly doesn't want me to do, so they won't send me the software. The review is still going to get written, it just won't be with their "blessing." The short of it is, all writers have a personal agenda, some make it more obvious than others, but all professional writers have an obligation to their readers, and that's what separates the Siskels and the Eberts from the quote whores of the review writing world.

  77. I think IGN has a nice balance by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

    like when they gave starwars star fighter something over a 9.0 and then after it sold a lot the dropped it down to the score that POS deserved. Yeah, IGN is real ethical, gotta love the links to buy the game (with a nice fat commission for IGN) right there beside the reviews.

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  78. How to spot a bad review site by TobyWong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look up what they gave daikatana. A few of the big name sites actually gave this reeking pile of shit a decent review. Kinda shows you exactly who romero had in his back pocket.

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    1. Re:How to spot a bad review site by EvilAlien · · Score: 1

      ... like pictures of Killcreek?

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  79. Re:war and games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about "showing respect" to those victims who are neither American nor Muslim?

    Like Saddam Hussein.

    Not to mention all the British and Australian troops (I'm not sure if any aussies have died yet though...).

    Then there's all the Non-Muslim Iraqis and anyone who happen to be touring the country/held prisoner/human shields.

  80. Junkets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The junket used in the article as an example was Ubi Soft's recent Rainbow Six: Raven Shield launch, where the writers got to dress in SWAT garb and have a paintball battle against mock terrorists and disable a dirty bomb.

    No wonder the GTA: Vice City reviews were so good. That junket must have been a doozy.

  81. I wonder how many people start reviewing games by TerryAtWork · · Score: 1

    just for the dosh...

    Maybe *I* should....

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  82. Patch 2 by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    Patch 2 was recently released, addressing many performance issues and squashing bugs: http://www.simcity.com Still no multi-lane roads, sadly...

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    1. Re:Patch 2 by ckokotay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they really dopped the ball on transportation, which is widely regarded as the most desire place of improvement since sc2000. I think it was an attempt to sell an expansion pack, which is based on the Sims similar success. But, it had better offer a lot more than 4 lane roads. I am talking ground-level highways, more interchanges (including a T and a Y, clover 1/2 clover to regular roads, stack, flyover, etc...), and multiple types of avenues. One way streets, l-trains, and subway to rail connectors.

      Clearly the designers of this game had no clue, despite the fact that the message boards were driving the cluetrain straight down their hallways daily about the lacking transportation.

      Chris...

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    2. Re:Patch 2 by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      And flying cars! Where the heck are the flying cars?? They had those lame arcologies and microwave power plants, but their transportation systems were all old news as of the 1920s.

      They should have all kinds of stuff in there. Better mass transit options and greenways (bike paths essentially) and like you said, more kinds of roads (especially working multi-lanes and one-ways). Sigh. And how about better tax options to encourage certain modes over others?

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    3. Re:Patch 2 by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      A participant of an EA focus group session posted to a SimCity board and mentioned that EA has several expansion packs planned. The first is a transportation expansion that adds multi-lane roads, bike paths, better bus, subway, and railway controls, and one way traffic.

      The other expansions involved a terrain expansion, adding snow-capped mountians and ski slopes, surface water, weather, and more. Another involved more disasters, police and fire control, and SWAT teams. The final one was a futurist expansion that changed building graphics, added hoverrails, etc.

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  83. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Black_Logic · · Score: 1

    Not to be inflamatory but, most user review sites that I've read are all but worthless except for getting a very general feeling of overall quality. I'm a big console RPG fan and even inside that genre people have widely differing opinions on the same game. In my experiance, a good reviewer will critique overall quality along with what type of person is going to like that game. (i.e. If you liked $game you'll like this $reviewed_game, type of stuff) So, when I read a review to find out whether I'll like the game or not I pretty much ignore their analysis of whether the game was enjoyable to them. I'm looking for an indication that the game would suit my tastes.

    Either that or I find a reviewer who consistantly agrees with me (hint: read old reviews of games that you've played before) Slightly OT, I've found that I usually agree with The Filthy Critic's movie reviews.

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  84. Yeah, Game reviewers are great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *cough*MasterofOrion3suckedass,despitewhattherevie wssaid*cough*

    1. Re:Yeah, Game reviewers are great... by gheidorn · · Score: 1

      Amen.

      Though I was hoodwinked by how good MOO2 was, and overlooked the few negative reviews with good faith in series.

      I learned my lesson.

  85. I never would have guessed.... by kid_wonder · · Score: 1

    after seeing reviews for Time Splitters 2 and the fact that there demo is on every demo disc ever sent out.

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  86. reviewing pc titles by Phusion0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had kind of a similar experience in highschool, I worked for a small tech news site called Geeknews, they were owned by a giant asshole of a company called eFront.. I started a gaming section on the site and began receiving titles like Max Payne, Gunman: Chronicals and Homeworld: Cataclysm.. fortunatly I got a lot of genuinly good titles but I made sure to note in the reviews what bothered me about the title and what other people might be bothered with. Anyway.. most of the entertainment industry has been doing this for ages.. it's nothing new. We're just seeing it on the web more and more now because we're so used to seeing "Best Product Ever!" "Killer Buy!" and so on and so forth plastered over everything in sight.

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    1. Re:reviewing pc titles by KiahZero · · Score: 1

      You worked for eFront too? They bought out RPGamer while I still worked there, and let me tell you... they were assholes. Did you ever hear about why they went under? =D

      I'll give you a clue... it involved fraud and hookers.

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    2. Re:reviewing pc titles by Phusion0 · · Score: 1

      Yes I do know about a lot of what went on in eFront's offices.. pressuring clients.. theft.. all sorts of fun stuff! I had fun there and eventually moved on to The-Ctrl-Alt-Del.com which was famous for very early detonator leaking hehe.. and now GamingGroove.. we're still not back up *sigh*.

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  87. Re:Of course ethics and integrity are important bu by cens0r · · Score: 1

    But if everyone did this then there would be no user reviews because everyone would be waiting. The game companies would probably catch on and start giving out games to a few select users... of course those guys are going to have good reviews. The vicious cycle begins again.

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  88. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by stanmann · · Score: 1

    Ok, you are posting on slashdot, reading reviews at Amazon and you seem surprised that there is Bullshit on the internet.
    I would venture to guess, that there is no better source of information than Amazon reader reviews. BUT, if you don't have a functional filter(on your mind) you don't belong on the internet unattended.

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  89. Individual reviewers should be mistrusted by analog_line · · Score: 2, Informative

    What people who actually want to know what's up with a game need to actually do some research. As with the rest of life, you reap what you sow. Unless your taste runs to whatever's "cool" at the moment (and obviously a lot of people have such taste) just picking up a copy of insert gaming magazine here] or browsing to [insert game review site here] isn't going to tell you squat.

    You need to look at a range of review sites. It doesn't take long to figure out which magazines and web sites are schills for whatever game publisher gave them the most cash/best junket. You learn how to read them, and what filters you need to deal with. Check gaming fan sites and message boards. Yes, there are going to be fanboys and schills on the a publisher's payroll, but again, don't take one person's word for it, for goodness sake. Common freakin' sense people. Look at the gestalt.

    Be patient. Even if the game sells out on the first day, they _will_ make more copies of them. Don't buy a game the first day unless you're willing to throw that $50 in the trash, because no matter what the previews may have said about it, there's an even chance at best that you are going to hate it. I've done my share of camping out in a game store waiting for FedEx to get in with the new shipment of whatever spiffy new "Popular Video Game Concept" is coming in that day. I've had some successes, and my fair share of disasters (in other words, most of them). The most recent and painful experience being Master of Orion 3: How The Hell Do I Do Anything Here?.

    The game publishing industry certainly is able to shove crap out the door, but there will always be plenty of other gamers out there without the ethical handicaps that the commercial reviewers have, who are going to be more than willing to give you and anyone else who will listen the straight poop. Also, not all commercial reviewers are alike. Sometimes you'll find one whos taste aligns with yours, and if so go for it. But even then, you owe it to yourself to look at a lot of opinions before you buy.

    Personally, I've found sites like MetaCritic and GameFAQs are great places where a lot of different opinions about a game are collected under one roof, and the people who run those sites don't write any of the reviews that appear there. You usually can get the gist of what a game is going to be like, what the bugs are, etc, but it requires waiting until a critical mass of reviews comes in.

  90. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Hanashi · · Score: 1
    You can't really just go by reviews posted to Amazon, or any of the other vendor sites. It's quite common for authors and publishers to solicit reviews of their products to be posted online. In theory, that's fine, except that the people they solicit are often people they know, sometimes the friends and family members of the author or publisher. Some of these folks actually go so far as to pull some rather unethical tricks.

    Your best bet is to find a small set of reviewers with whom you tend to agree, and stick with them unless they prove themselves untrustworthy. A good reviewer considers his or her reputation to be as precious as gold, and once it's lost, it's gone forever. They'll try very hard to provide consistently fair and balanced reviews.

    PS. I run a book review website, so this topic is something I naturally have an interest in.

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  91. An ex-reviewer speaks... by payndz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Huh. When *I* worked as a game reviewer (magazine editor, in fact) I never got invited on any fancy press junkets. Come to think of it, the head UK PR guy at [major American company well-known for attaching shoddy rush-job games to big licences] disliked me to the point where not only did I not get invited on press junkets, but he blew me out at E3 one year on the grounds that he was "too busy to see me". After all, I was only editing the #1-selling unofficial magazine in that sector of the market at the time...

    I did always try to be honest about my feelings in reviews, though (an advantage of being the editor is that your views don't get toned down by the subs). If I liked a game, I said so. If I hated a game, I said so. In no uncertain terms. Frequently at great length. I'd on occasion increase the amount of space allocated to truly shit games just so that I could *really* lay into them. Like the time I used three pages to give [unbelievably buggy and unplayable console conversion of well-known and respected PC violent racing game] a final score of 3%. Not 3 out of 10, but *three percent*.

    Ah, those were the days! Unfortunately, on most magazines now the PRs have taken control to the point where an 'average' score is considered to be 80%, and even giving that will often generate veiled threats and even open abuse from the software companies. Thank god I'm not doing that any more.

    Now I work on a movie magazine and have to deal with agents and managers and lawyers instead...

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  92. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is this "Rushdie" person and why does he/she/it talk like a fucking 'tard?

  93. Re:Douchebag Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical AC asshole. Grow a goddammed brain, fucktard.

  94. Extended Play by filmsmith · · Score: 2

    I've come to trust Extended Play's reviews a great deal. Sure, they're a little soft (some games clearly deserved a zero (don't think they give this) or one star) when it comes to crappy games, but they do a wonderful job of breaking down exactly what works and what doesn't work for a game. Without Extended Play, I would have passed over some very nice titles. Namely Resident Evil and Resident Evil: Zero AND would have made the mistake of continuing to buy the RE's...had it not been for EP. (For those who can't tell, I'm a GC son)

    Finding a reviewer you can trust is important, and I'm glad I've found EP for my games and Chicago Fats (li'l ol Ebert) for my movies.

  95. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by antiMStroll · · Score: 1

    Usenet has good and bad points. It's unimportant to marketing departments so they won't waste time astroturfing like they do on (cough.... cough) popular technology web forums. Normal users still have biases and product affiliations to read around, take a look at the ATI trolls on an Nvidia usenet forum. Most importantly, unless it's a regular there's no way to judge the quality of the source. A game could studder and balk for dozens of system-related reason completely unrelated to game code. I'd have to know the source very well before trusting a game review based on a KT133/Nvidia/SBLive review for example, a nasty combination of hardware to stabilize.

  96. Who do you trust? by Shalda · · Score: 1

    Game reviews are just like movie reviews. It's all about who you trust. For example, when a movie comes out, I read what Chris Hewitt of the Pioneer Press has to say. He generally doesn't whore himself out, and I can translate what he has to say into wether or not I'll like the movie.

    On a similar note, I generally trust what the Penny-Arcade crew has to say. Specifically Tycho. Plus, they're generally upfront about who's trying to buy their opinion.

    1. Re:Who do you trust? by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

      Filthy's the man for me.

      http://bigempire.com/filthy/

      About half the time he writes about a total piece of shit I'd never see anyway, and some of the time he sends me to something I would have missed.

      It's a little different from the Joe Bob Briggs schtick. I find the writing better, and because he actually digs good movies he is more than a 1-trick pony like Briggs.

  97. Graphics in games by raygundan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good graphics do not make a game. But that does NOT mean that all games with good graphics are bad. For every Asteroids, Tempest, Scorched Earth, or Lemmings there is a NOLF 2, Half-Life, or Mario 64 that proves great games CAN have great graphics. Too often, though-- artworks seems to take precedence over gameplay.

    In fact, most of a game's characteristics in this respect are irrelevant to whether it's actually fun. If it's fun, I don't care if the music is annoying and repetitive. I don't care if everything in the game is a big block of pixels.

    Fun is fun. Graphics are graphics. Music is music. If they're all there, super. But mostly I just want the fun.

  98. Totally unbiased game reviews? by gozar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out Bitsmack.com. The reviews are user submitted, and cover just about every videogame known (going back to the Fairchild F).

    If a game's crappy, it gets a bad review. If a game's good, it gets a good review. Pretty soon, you start to recognize other reviewers ratings and how they rank against your personal feelings to help you pick out games you will enjoy.

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  99. Uh huh by xihr · · Score: 1

    So some nobody game reviewer wannabe has admitted to acting unethically and declares that it's the industry standard. Like he'd know. I bet his real name isn't even Obiwan Kenobi!

    1. Re:Uh huh by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 1

      I bet his real name isn't even Obiwan Kenobi!

      Holy shit, how'd you get that information?!

  100. find the one that fits your taste... by hcduvall · · Score: 1

    That might be because he's the big man now, leader of the two man show. He's by far the best of big-name critics, with exposure and a wide range in his taste.

    On the other hand, I do find I disagree with him more often now, but he lays out how his opinions form most of the time.

    I do think he plays to level of his partner, though, and when it was Siskel, they kept each other honestand pretty sophisticated, whereas Roeper- lets just say that if he likes something I do, I start rethinking it.

    I like the Onion reviewers the most- they pan a lot, but usually its funny at least. They come as hard-core fans of any genre, so when they do come along to praise something, i always respect it.

  101. My unPayola story by Willard+B.+Trophy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In the late 1980s and very early 1990s, I freelanced as a reviewer for a few magazines in the UK. It was probably the time that magazine reviews held most sway in a game's future, since there was no internet for the masses. Some weird stuff went on.

    In those days, it was an unwritten rule of sales that if a game got <80%, it would lose money, or just scrape by. 80-90% would be a reasonable earner, and >90% meant a winner. Games publishers were desperate to find out what a game had got so they could judge sales, and plan advertising.

    So I got to review one of the earliest virtual world games, where you could play god to a civilization, and see it grow or fail. I thought it was okay, but not life-changing, so gave it a solid score in the 80%-range.

    Bad move. The publisher (enormous) had bet the farm on this game going huge. I'm told they faxed my editor a copy of their monthly advertising invoice from the magazine -- in the thousands of pounds -- along with a note saying something to the effect of "Want to lose this income?".

    By a strange coincidence, the game was reviewed again in the next issue, with some kind of placatory note saying that the reviewer didn't really like this kind of game. Lo and behold, the game got over 90%, and sold by the truckload. Whether people played it much after they bought it is not recorded.

    Being a freelancer at the other end of the country from the editorial office, I missed most of the excesses of the industry. My only perk was being sent a modest-sized bottle of champagne after reviewing a game I particularly liked.

    I did hear rumours of game publishers offering the services of, um, obliging young ladies to reviewers in exchange for good reviews. But the names and circumstances are long forgotten.

    But yeah, it was hard making up superlatives, or indeed saying anything charitable about some of the real dross games. At least we knew we could mess with the system; you're talking to the author of the first >100% game review ...

    1. Re:My unPayola story by payndz · · Score: 1
      I did hear rumours of game publishers offering the services of, um, obliging young ladies to reviewers in exchange for good reviews. But the names and circumstances are long forgotten.

      This genuinely happened? Hellfire and damnnation! Now I feel even more pissed off about my story above ^! What freebies did I get out of my seven or so years working on games mags? A couple of fucking t-shirts and a demo copy of PS1 Bust-A-Move!

      Either I was too naive to ask for this stuff, or the PRs really did hate me. ;) True story of the games biz, just a few weeks ago - a guy who used to work for me told me about a press trip he went on where he met an old workmate of mine who now freelances for [largeish London-based publishing company]. Old workmate and former writer were on a PR junket to [major European capital with world-famous tower]. In a cab back to the hotel, former writer was astonished to see old workmate (who he didn't know I knew until it came up in conversation afterwards) bring out his personalised press kit and snort a quick line from it, all provided for him at company expense...

      Clearly I worked for the wrong company. No drugs, no whores. Hell, hardly any free games, thanks to company policy! If you expect to get loads of freebies as part of your job, don't work for [South Coast-based UK publishing company]...

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  102. Gaming reviews by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 1

    Gaming reviews have gone down the toilet since Old Man Murray shut down. That was the only gaming review site I ever needed. Comparing playing a game to "swallowing a dixie cup full of fishhooks" was enough to dissuade me.

    Come back, Chet!

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  103. Re:Douchebag Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, eat my shit, brain-damage.

  104. Link to CNN Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/opinion/11JORD.h tml?ex=1050638400&en=ea21e8c88feae21c&ei=5062&part ner=GOOGLE

    It might be pointed out that alot of people's lives were at risk in this situation. Is there really any "moral" solution?

    Why have a single writer review a game anyways? Everyones taste differ. I've played plenty of games with drop-dead graphics, buggless gameplay, but they simply weren't fun. On the other hand, I've had tons of fun with alpha and beta tests. One would get a 90%, the other 60%, and I'd rather play the 60.

  105. Reader scores higher? by phorm · · Score: 1

    That's a problem with big sites. I think it probably has something to do with companies knowing what the sites are and thus being able to submit their own "responses" or "reviews." Watch for canned answers, and checked for more descriptive reviews (it's awesome, is not as good as it's awesome because XYZ) and you'll often do fine.

    I wish more games used shareware techniques, although I've still seen some good ones (I bought ORB based on the demo I played)

  106. Ebert has one bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I have noticed - anything with Angelina Jolie gets bonus points from him - even Gone in 60 Seconds managed 2 stars.

  107. Mr. Cranky by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
    I've often wondered why nobody takes the Mr. Cranky approach to reviewing video games the way they do movies. Instead of starting off telling you why the movie is good, you state right up front what sucks about the movie.

    I've found Mr. Cranky's reviews pretty funny, although I have to say he tends to refer to preferring things protruding through his scrotum/arsehole to sitting through the movie again more times than any man should ever admit.

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  108. Actually by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    i think you may be correct...
    it's been awhile :)
    *cheers*

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  109. Re:WOW, WHAT AN EXCELLENT FEATURE!!! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

    heheheh That was how many game reviews I wrote pretty much, but I covered all aspects of Linux, weekly column for two years.

  110. some of us were ethical by newsdee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was one of the "underpaid fanboys" reviewing games. My rule of thumb in grading was always the answer to my ultimate question: "would I pay $40-$50 to own this game?". The percentage was more or less an estimation of the answer, thinking that I would never buy any game with less than 50%, very rarely one less than 60%, and sometimes one less than 70%, quite often 80%, and always 90% or more.

    I gave scores ranging from 32% to 90%. I often didn't get to choose the games I reviewed, but in the rares cases I did, I sometimes picked bad games to show that we were not as biased as some might think. However it still provoked reader ire as some pestered on why we wasted space on reviewing crappy titles... :-) No way to make everybody happy... :-)

  111. Shallow Reviews by nathanh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Editorial reviews are too shallow. The reviewers will focus on the graphics, the special effects, the support for 5.1 surround sound, how neato the FMV scenes are, and any glitches they can find. This makes the review worthless because all too often they haven't bothered to discuss the GAMEPLAY.

    When all is said and done, the graphics and sound of a game are entertaining for 15 minutes but it is the gameplay that keeps me coming back. Just like how a movie with big-budget special effects is fun to watch once but I'll watch movies like Dr StrangeLove a dozen times. The great gameplay is the reason why I still play Doom, Quake, Starcraft, Star Control 2, Sam'n'Max, Final Fantasy 7, Galaga, etc. Admittedly those games were technically impressive when they were released but they date well because of their gameplay.

    And this is why most reviews are useless. I can understand why it happens; the paid reviewers have a big stack of games and not a lot of time. The review is simply a list of the "neato" effects the game offers. I could get the same info from the downloadable demo. I expect something a little deeper from a review. This is why I've turned to user reviews; sometimes they're just as shallow but at least I can expect the user of a game to have put some effort into playing it. Maybe.

    Games developers know that reviews are shallow so they produce games that have explosions and shiny things and big boom-boom noises. They know that those games will get the good reviews. So gameplay has taken a backseat to "production quality". It is exactly what happened to Hollywood. Sure, the occasional great game manages to slip through the system but it's the exception not the rule.

  112. Re:i hate to give amazon credit for anything, but. by mati · · Score: 1

    I'd like to take this opportunity to point out the user-submitted game ratings over at Shacknews. All games are rated according to user votes, and there are also many user-submitted reviews (which are also rated as useful or non-useful like Amazon). I find that the user ratings of most games there reflect my opinion, or at least more often than professional game reviews.

    (there is usually a factor of bias depending on how old the game is, however)

  113. Re:Douchebag Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha hA Ha hA Ha hA Ha! p00000000000000t
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  114. Gamespot Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Anyone notice that gamespot seems biased against the Xbox? Case in point: Splinter Cell. When it was reviewed it recieved a 8.6 (a very high rating from gamespot). What troubles me is the "blurb" right under the rating...

    Splinter Cell Xbox
    8.6
    Splinter Cell is a great game on its own merits, and it offers a slick and rewardingly suspenseful gameplay experience that's sometimes reduced to frustrating bouts of trial and error.

    Seems kind of odd that such a high review would recieve such a negative "blurb". Do a quick search of other titles rated 8 or above and you will find only positive "blurbs".

    The Gamecube review for the same game?

    Splinter Cell
    Gamecube
    8.4

    One of the most popular, most successful, and best looking games for Microsoft's Xbox is now on the GameCube, and in some respects it's better than the original.


    Where is the jab about frustrating bouts of trial and error? Did they change the gameplay when they ported it?

    The Playstation 2 review was identical to the Gamecube review, so they must have eliminated the trial and error there too.

    I read somewhere that Sony owned a chunk of Gamespot, is there any truth to that?

  115. There's more to it than payola by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Probably a little to late to post but what the hell :).

    It's not just a matter of not having to pay $40 bucks, if a magazine/website can't keep a good relationship with a developer, than it risks losing access to things like pre-release games, news, etc. In short, they get taken out of the loop. This happens all the time with ordinary news, so it's no surprise that game news deals with this too. Also, there's advertising. And let's face it, if a really hyped game doesn't do well it's bad for the industry as a whole, them included.

    My solution is to buy the best from last gen's games and leave shifting through the crap to others. For example, why waste time on crumy ps2 rpg's when I've got Valkyrie Profile?

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  116. Re: Netjak a biased site that disproves the theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That smaller, "independent sites" are less prone to manipulation and bias. I had Netjak bookmarked for a while, but I grew weary of the eternal bickering, illogical arguments for a pro-Microsoft editor, and the "My car is better than your car" side spats that seemed to go on between the editor and well, anyone who didn't like his curious slant on things.

  117. And you believe them so easily? by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't. Oh, you suddenly say you lied to protect your access for 12 years, but now you're telling the truth?

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, ...

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  118. That's why it's so important... by Post-O-Matic · · Score: 1

    That's why it's so important To "aquire" and "test" the game prior to buying it...

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  119. Really: Where is old man murray when you need him? by jqh1 · · Score: 1

    Answering that question would likely provide some valuable insight to this discussion. That site overwhelmingly rejected everything we're fussing about here, and now it's gone without much explanation.

    Can anyone post the story of what happened?

    Web hosting is cheap these days -- I bet 90% of the /.ers in this discussion are at least subconciously thinking of starting a review site in the hopes it could be half the quality of OMM. Wouldn't you want to know what happened to OMM first?

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  120. You must be the best writer ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You write for a major newspaper and you don't know the difference between "sheer" and shear"?

  121. Honest Game Reviews by modnoah · · Score: 1

    I have found that Game Revolution's reviews are as fair and unbiased as they come. In fact, sometimes the reviews paint a more accurate picture of games I have already purchased than I can... after having shelled out $50 for a crappy game, how easy is it to admit to your self that you wasted your money, or that the game you bought was less than perfect ?

  122. The real code is as follows... by Millennium · · Score: 1

    Up-Down-Up-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A

    No "Start" or "Select-Start" or "B-A-B-A-Start" or anything like that.

    Pressing A ends the code. After that, nothing else counts. This is why there are so many variants of the code floating around. B-A-B-A-Start works, but that's because the second B-A doesn't mean anything. Same with Select (actually, pressing Select happens to move the cursor down to the two-player option; this was how you could play with two players, 30 lives each).

  123. Ack; ignore that one... by Millennium · · Score: 1

    The real one is Up-Up-Down-Down-B-A, not Up-Down-Up-Down-B-A.

    That'll teach me not to use the preview button... :)

    1. Re:Ack; ignore that one... by Ciaran_H · · Score: 1

      First you said it ended with Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A, now Up-Up-Down-Down-B-A. Which do you mean? Is the code Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A, or Left-Right-Left-Right-Up-Up-Down-Down-B-A?

  124. Gamespot: Ultima 9/Ascension review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Argument most heard in defense of Gamespot's review: "This game should be judged upon its own merits not for die hard fans of the series"
    Most heard response: "OK, but then it sucks even more in its bug ridden pre-alpha state"
    Most heard comeback to this response: "No game is perfect"
    Most heard response to this comeback... well I will not post such profanity here. Needless to say, the 8.something review was changed eventually to a present 6.4. However I still cannot see how any game of such horrible design, implementation and followup support could ever receive anything but a 1.0 Give it a point or two simply because it IS indeed the last of the series perhaps... but really you should not if you are to be consistent. "Simplistic", "childish plot", "insulting gameplay", and "completely shallow and unimmersive" were words to describe not only the game itself but what led up to it. That Gamespot could play the part of the flaky "don't shake the boat" coward was just one of the many things that knocked them out of being a credible and dependable source of reviews. I don't know if they worried about EA or if the reviewers (and thus their superiors and the editors) simply did not have any business reviewing a game in this genre much less the ninth eagerly anticipated (6 years... 6) and concluding installation but the fact remains that many lost faith in reviews such as this.

    BTW, does anyone really understand what "EPIC" means?

  125. shadowbane review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    might be OT, but I found it at first amusing but at no point confidence inspiring as to a legitimate review by those with character names of "Hugo Knuttz" and "SexualHealing" (I assume it was a "healer" char). Plus the official reviewer seems to want a Diablo game. Just as Diablo was a great game it is NOT a RPG. A reviewer should realize this and reviewing a RPG and exclaiming that the constant level mill is ok because you are too "busy fighting" does not help gain any more credibility. Shadowbane may be a good or bad game but this review certainly did not help that much in making an informed purchase decision for me.

  126. Wired by freezervv · · Score: 1

    Obviously someone had wired ("To Live and Die in L.A." 11.05 - not on web yet) on their mind when they came across this. Hidden in between the typical fruit-cocktail-in-a-blender graphics was a story about insider tracking boards in the movie industry.
    It does illustrate an interesting point though. While movie people tend to enjoy playing CYA, evidently gamers prefer to shoot stuff... who woulda thunk?

  127. what are good consumer boards for games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and for that matter, any software and PC hardware?

  128. where to begin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I pictured in my mind those teenagers that wore shirts with a background of Africa and foreground of black Africans (and not even ones close to Egypt then) in Egyption garb and an ankh here and there. Of course it said, "Its a BLACK thing man, you wouldn't understand." Then they charactertistically got very militant and angry if anyone actually noticed what they were supposed to notice (hint: that the person was black and wanted to separate themselves from everyone else as black).

    Not surprised you slam the current white house... bet you didn't do that 4 years ago

  129. Re:FREAKY FRIDAY! i am taco, taco is me by DNA+Land · · Score: 0

    Smart ewes use wet rams.