I suggest you go find the most informative post I wrote a bit earlier which explains just how non-christian the holiday really is. Christmas should be for everyone, As far as I know every major religion and most minor ones has a holiday around that time. Christmas is about being good people for once, the way we should be all the time..
She and I are of, shall we say, a religious belief that isn't mainstream. Yet we celebrate Christmas, because we have friends and family who do, and we enjoy giving them presents and being part of their celebrations. Our religion celebrates Yule.
Yer a Wiccan, yippy, just say it, no need to beat around the bush and pretend your ashamed of it... My GF is a Wiccan, I'm a Baptist, point out to your christian Cow-Worker that Christmas was moved to where it is in the calendar precisely to encourage the Pagan populace to celebrate it,and that the Christmas Tree, mistletoe, and Holly are all druidic symbols. Anyone who is worried about celebrating 'Pagan' holidays needs to take a look at some of the bizarre rituals christians have built into their holidays, Easter Eggs (Druidic Fertility ritual), Christmas Trees, all manner of 'Pagan' characteristics.
Kintanon
Merry Fucking Christmas mister Pagan! (Nods to SP and Mr. Garrison)
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Again, your comparisons are misleading, Japan has the whole "honour" thing, if your business goes down, the honourable thing to do is to commit suicide.
Also read up on the previously posts in this thread, your chances of getting shot in a burglary situation is actually worse if you have a gun, not that's suicide of a different type!
Fine, The Netherlands has a higher suicide rate per capita than the US. And way less guns. Deal. And your chances of getting shot in a burglary situation will always go up when a gun is introduced, but your chances of preventing the criminal from going about his business goes up far more. And if people are properly educated on how to use firearms, and taught to respect them then you don't have accidental shootings. I grew up in an area where everyone was given a gun of some kind around their 10th birthday, they were taught to use and respect guns as soon as they could walk. We have had 0 accidental shootings in the last 45 years in an area with a population of around 10 thousand people, 99% of whom are armed. We also have a crimerate that is near nonexistant. The presence or absence of guns has nothing to do with how violent a society is. It's all about education and respect.
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I thought the majority of resulting injuries from guns was the result of guns being used against the owners family or friends ?
Recheck your statisitics. A large portion of the statistics included in that study are Suicides, and the lack of a firearm doesn't reduce the suicide rate (reference Japan) a vanishingly small # of injuries with firearms occur when they accidentally discharge. And that is FAR FAR outweighed by the # of crimes deterred by the mere brandishing of a handgun.
Just take a walk around your local Wal-Mart and see how many packages boast that the product inside was "Computer designed." I once saw an infomercial for a frying pan that was supposed to have been "Computer designed." What does that mean? Most likely, it means someone drew a picture of it in MS-Paint.:-) But to the average person, it means someone sat down in front of a magic box, typed the command "design perfect frying pan", and this product is the magical result. (I'm surprised they didn't also proclaim the pan to be "Internet ready" and "Designed for Windows98")
As we move into a world that becomes more and more dependant on computers every day, it is crucial that we eliminate some of the mystique around them.
That's not as bad as the 'iMac Compatible' power strips, printer cables, telephone cords, keyboards, mouses, and everything else that is Bondi Blue and hence 'iMac Compatible'. Yeesh....
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You have to ask yourself if a premise of "carry a gun or be shot" is better than a level playing field of nobody having guns at all, also it doesn't say much for your law enforcement or justice system when everyone is forced to take the law into their own hands.
Emphasis Mine.
That is a fallacy. The mere fact that the firearm was invented in the first place means that it will be reinvented by the first ingenious person that needs it even if every gun in existance is destroyed today. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS, some people don't seem to understand that. I can, with a few parts from a hardware store and a bag of marbles, build a fully automatic weapon that will put a glass marble through your chest at 50 yards and weighs only 20lbs or so. Outlawing Guns WILL NOT make them go away, they will only take the guns away from the responsible, law abiding populace. You can not 'level the playing field' because criminals will always be able to get guns when they need/want them or to construct the equivelant device.
I walked slowly to my car looking around the garage and checking for passengers in the car.
I broke into a car by breaking a window, using a hanger, or stooped over a lock to pick it.
I stood still with my hands in the air.
I bumped into someone and started running away.
I sat down at an airport, checked my bag, and got up calmly and walked away without it.
I walk around with a paper, briefcase, or other object hiding my face.
I stood at the edge of the tracks and watched 5 trains go by.
I stood on or climbed onto the railings of a bridge, skyscraper, or other tall structure.
What other suggestions?
Only 2 of those are illegal. The rest are none of the fucking pigs business. And I've done several of them, including the Airport bag thing, I reached in, got 3$ out, then walked to the wendy's across the aisle from where I was sitting and got a burger. And if I had been hassled by a security guard for that I'd have seriously thought about telling him to fuck himself....
England is so full of CCTV's because in some areas of England, crime rates are ridiculously high. One of the researchers who did this stuff is from Leeds University. I did my PhD there and my car was broken into twice, my house three times and I was attacked once. All that in 4 years. When things get out of hand, special measures have to be taken. I now live in a much quieter part of the world where when a car is stolen, it's headlines in the newspapers. I'd be really pissed off if they start putting CCTV's everywhere here. It all depends on what measures are necessary to keep life livable. That's another way to see things anyway.
Gee, this is what happens when you disarm your citizenry.
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Well thanks for the strength of your convictions in posting anonymously;)
I don't think Blair has any idea of making the UK a police state - the media runs the country more than the government anyway...
... as a side note, we have far far less death due to accdental shootings, children getting hold of guns etc....
... a civilized society has no need for killing tools....
I've yet to see a civilized society on this miserable mud ball.
If you're not doing anything illegal, why would it matter if they ended up watching you? Accidently watching you while you are not doing something illegal will not hurt you in any way, shape or form. However it seems this system could help stop more criminals. So what is the problem? It doesn't hurt you in any way, but it does hurt criminals... ??? This isn't guilty until proven innocent --- they're not saying you committed a crime just because they're keeping an eye on you. You're innocent until they see you do something illegal. If you don't plan on committing any illegal activities then you shouldn't have anything to worry about if they are looking at you. The only 'freedom' I can see that is being stripped away is the ability to get away w/ committing a crime.
How about the freedom to walk around naked in my fenced in yard without being watched by strangers? Perfectly legal, but not exactly something I want other people watching, what if I decide to go skinny dipping in the pool with my GF? Should they get to watch that because it isn't something 'normal' people do? I don't want some overweight dirt stupid rent-a-cop jacking off in his little booth to me and my GF taking a quick swim.
Bruce Lee actually used to do that, but by hooking up electrodes to his pecs. If you've ever undergone electrotherapy (not the psych kind) for a muscular injury, you know what I'm talking about. It feels weird, to say the least
This URL has links to some EMS (Electronic Muscle Stimulation) equipment you can buy fairly cheap. http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/ems.htm
And in fact, I'm buying a couple of sets of these to help me get back into my Martial Arts training since I haven't been to class in over a year now. My girlfriend and a couple of my friends will be using them to help themselves lose some weight and add some muscle tone. I've also talked to a few people who have used them before, according to them if you leave them on for about 2 hours a day you can see results in 2 weeks, but if you leave them on for much longer than that at once you will hurt like hell the next day. One guy I know is up to using them in 4 sets of 2 hours with 2 hour breaks throughout the day. He says they are helping a lot for him... Hopefully I'll see nice results with them as well.
I never heard that story. I recall the McDonald's coffee. When I heard that story, I figured the lady never had a childhood where most people learn what HOT! means. I'm curious to know what someone hasn't learned in a bathroom.
Some guy had his 'member' mangled by the toilet seat, so is suing for quite a large sum, his wife is suing as well for ummm, obvious reasons...
Where they standing over his shoulder whispering, '23 Black! Take another hit! He's bluffing, your pair of 6's can take this hand!' ??!
How can you POSSIBLY claim that your credit card company 'Helped' you lose money? If he wins does that mean I can get a bunch of credit cards, charge a bunch of shit, and then claim that the credit card company 'helped' me go into hopeless debt?! Geez, some people are just total morons.
No one with a gamepad will ever be able to stop the Mouse+Kbd (Or in my case, ergonomic Cyberman 2 pad) fraggers. I know because I tried. I am actually using only the buttons on the Cyberman with my left hand, and my right hand on the 3 button mouse. It works perfectly, and no hand cramps.>:) Dreamcast is all good for fighting games like Soul Caliber (Bought DC and SC at once, MMMmmm!), but for FPSs and strategy games like Civ, or Warcraft you just can't beat the mouse. Of course, when the DC mouse and Kbd get popular over here... Well... Who needs a PC? >:)
You again don't quite understand. You act as if this is something out of the blue, that I have not thought about to a great extent. I have tried to refuse their so-called "help". Several times. It simply had no effect. The only option left was violence. Ignoring them completely didn't work, because these are the kind of bastards that simply can't be ignored. Continually pestering you about it for weeks on end. At least smacking them makes them leave me the hell alone, even if it does earn you a bad reputation. I mean, you reach a breaking point. It's not like this guy walks up, says "have you heard the word of jesus", and then I kick his ass. It's a continual pain in your side for weeks and weeks and weeks until you just can't stand the sight of the guy anymore. Finally, you just snap, alright? I'm not proud of it, but it works.
Actually, I know exactly the kind of christian you've had to put up with. And believe it or not I've had the same kind try to convert me, because I have long hair. They are the ones who won't listen when I tell them I *AM* a Christian, that I *AM saved. They just keep insisting that because I have long hair I'm evil and hell bound. I know exactly how you feel. Since you tolerate them for weeks while trying to make them go away I can forgive smacking them after a while. I probably would too eventually... It's a pitty that those people don't understand that they have NO CHANCE of converting someone with that approach and attitude.
They are not suing over rights to the name, they are suing over losing customers who mistype the name and see profanity. For the first time in one of "these" cases, I think the plaintiff is right. And I don't think it violates anyone's "free speech" rights to insist that they keep the root of their domain "clean", especially when they know full well that there is a potential for lots of young kids to be going there by mistake. Plenty of room on the other pages for breasts, F-words, etc.
etoy.com existed 2 years before etoys.com, whatever etoy wants to put on their front page is their own business. If Etoys wanted to avoid domain confusion they should have picked a name that wasn't so close to one already in use.
Anyone trying to convert me (or educate if you prefer that term, as it amounts to the same spiel from a religious freak) is liable for a punch in the face as a response. If that's what it takes to shut the preaching bastard up, that's what I do. Usually, I can freak the guy preaching out enough with an offhand comment so that it doesn't come to that, but I have had to resort to that method twice in my lifetime.
My my my, aren't we bitter? So you would resort to violence to stop someone from speaking to you just because you disagree with what they say? You admin that you don't respect their beliefs, then you turn around and expect them to respect yours by not espousing their views to you. Stop being such a hypocrite, be a little open minded. Learn how to discuss things rationally. Most people will listen and leave you alone if you give them a good reason. I would have to say that anyone who resorts to hitting someone who is trying to help them (whether you believe it or not) has no right to denounce the actions of anyone else.
Personally I think I'll write up a quick Delphi prog that sits and reloads the page a few million times. Only takes about 30 seconds to make, but my cable modem can eat a lot of bandwidth...
Heck, if 5 thousand people did that their site would crash and stay crashed.
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I suggest you go find the most informative post I wrote a bit earlier which explains just how non-christian the holiday really is. Christmas should be for everyone, As far as I know every major religion and most minor ones has a holiday around that time. Christmas is about being good people for once, the way we should be all the time..
Kintanon
She and I are of, shall we say, a religious belief that isn't mainstream. Yet we celebrate Christmas, because we have friends and family who do, and we enjoy giving them presents and being part of their celebrations. Our religion celebrates Yule.
Yer a Wiccan, yippy, just say it, no need to beat around the bush and pretend your ashamed of it... My GF is a Wiccan, I'm a Baptist, point out to your christian Cow-Worker that Christmas was moved to where it is in the calendar precisely to encourage the Pagan populace to celebrate it,and that the Christmas Tree, mistletoe, and Holly are all druidic symbols. Anyone who is worried about celebrating 'Pagan' holidays needs to take a look at some of the bizarre rituals christians have built into their holidays, Easter Eggs (Druidic Fertility ritual), Christmas Trees, all manner of 'Pagan' characteristics.
Kintanon
Merry Fucking Christmas mister Pagan! (Nods to SP and Mr. Garrison)
Kintanon
Again, your comparisons are misleading, Japan has the whole "honour" thing, if your business goes down, the honourable thing to do is to commit suicide.
Also read up on the previously posts in this thread, your chances of getting shot in a burglary situation is actually worse if you have a gun, not that's suicide of a different type!
Fine, The Netherlands has a higher suicide rate per capita than the US. And way less guns. Deal.
And your chances of getting shot in a burglary situation will always go up when a gun is introduced, but your chances of preventing the criminal from going about his business goes up far more. And if people are properly educated on how to use firearms, and taught to respect them then you don't have accidental shootings. I grew up in an area where everyone was given a gun of some kind around their 10th birthday, they were taught to use and respect guns as soon as they could walk. We have had 0 accidental shootings in the last 45 years in an area with a population of around 10 thousand people, 99% of whom are armed. We also have a crimerate that is near nonexistant.
The presence or absence of guns has nothing to do with how violent a society is. It's all about education and respect.
Kintanon
I thought the majority of resulting injuries from guns was the result of guns being used against the owners family or friends ?
Recheck your statisitics. A large portion of the statistics included in that study are Suicides, and the lack of a firearm doesn't reduce the suicide rate (reference Japan) a vanishingly small # of injuries with firearms occur when they accidentally discharge. And that is FAR FAR outweighed by the # of crimes deterred by the mere brandishing of a handgun.
Kintanon
Just take a walk around your local Wal-Mart and see how many packages boast that the product inside was "Computer designed." I once saw an infomercial for a frying pan that was supposed to have been "Computer designed." What does that mean? Most likely, it means someone drew a picture of it in MS-Paint. :-) But to the average person, it means someone sat down in front of a magic box, typed the command "design perfect frying pan", and this product is the magical result. (I'm surprised they didn't also proclaim the pan to be "Internet ready" and "Designed for Windows98")
As we move into a world that becomes more and more dependant on computers every day, it is crucial that we eliminate some of the mystique around them.
That's not as bad as the 'iMac Compatible' power strips, printer cables, telephone cords, keyboards, mouses, and everything else that is Bondi Blue and hence 'iMac Compatible'. Yeesh....
Kintanon
You have to ask yourself if a premise of "carry a gun or be shot" is better than a level playing field of nobody having guns at all, also it doesn't say much for your law enforcement or justice system when everyone is forced to take the law into their own hands.
Emphasis Mine.
That is a fallacy. The mere fact that the firearm was invented in the first place means that it will be reinvented by the first ingenious person that needs it even if every gun in existance is destroyed today. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS, some people don't seem to understand that. I can, with a few parts from a hardware store and a bag of marbles, build a fully automatic weapon that will put a glass marble through your chest at 50 yards and weighs only 20lbs or so. Outlawing Guns WILL NOT make them go away, they will only take the guns away from the responsible, law abiding populace. You can not 'level the playing field' because criminals will always be able to get guns when they need/want them or to construct the equivelant device.
Kintanon
I walked slowly to my car looking around the garage and checking for passengers in the car.
I broke into a car by breaking a window, using a hanger, or stooped over a lock to pick it.
I stood still with my hands in the air.
I bumped into someone and started running away.
I sat down at an airport, checked my bag, and got up calmly and walked away without it.
I walk around with a paper, briefcase, or other object hiding my face.
I stood at the edge of the tracks and watched 5 trains go by.
I stood on or climbed onto the railings of a bridge, skyscraper, or other tall structure.
What other suggestions?
Only 2 of those are illegal. The rest are none of the fucking pigs business. And I've done several of them, including the Airport bag thing, I reached in, got 3$ out, then walked to the wendy's across the aisle from where I was sitting and got a burger. And if I had been hassled by a security guard for that I'd have seriously thought about telling him to fuck himself....
Kintanon
England is so full of CCTV's because in some areas of England, crime rates are ridiculously high. One of the researchers who did this stuff is from Leeds University. I did my PhD there and my car was broken into twice, my house three times and I was attacked once. All that in 4 years. When things get out of hand, special measures have to be taken. I now live in a much quieter part of the world where when a car is stolen, it's headlines in the newspapers. I'd be really pissed off if they start putting CCTV's everywhere here. It all depends on what measures are necessary to keep life livable.
That's another way to see things anyway.
Gee, this is what happens when you disarm your citizenry.
Kintanon
Well thanks for the strength of your convictions in posting anonymously ;)
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I don't think Blair has any idea of making the UK a police state - the media runs the country more than the government anyway
... as a side note, we have far far less death due to accdental shootings, children getting hold of guns etc....
... a civilized society has no need for killing tools
I've yet to see a civilized society on this miserable mud ball.
Kintanon
If you're not doing anything illegal, why would it matter if they ended up watching you? Accidently watching you while you are not doing something illegal will not hurt you in any way, shape or form. However it seems this system could help stop more criminals. So what is the problem? It doesn't hurt you in any way, but it does hurt criminals... ??? This isn't guilty until proven innocent --- they're not saying you committed a crime just because they're keeping an eye on you. You're innocent until they see you do something illegal. If you don't plan on committing any illegal activities then you shouldn't have anything to worry about if they are looking at you. The only 'freedom' I can see that is being stripped away is the ability to get away w/ committing a crime.
How about the freedom to walk around naked in my fenced in yard without being watched by strangers?
Perfectly legal, but not exactly something I want other people watching, what if I decide to go skinny dipping in the pool with my GF? Should they get to watch that because it isn't something 'normal' people do? I don't want some overweight dirt stupid rent-a-cop jacking off in his little booth to me and my GF taking a quick swim.
Kintanon
1.Createive labs makes 0$ from their Drivers.
Createive = Creative.
2.The more people who can purchase and use their hard drive the better.
Hard Drive = HARDWARE
3. the better the drivers for their hardware are the more people will want to buy their hardware.
That one had no mistakes.
Sorry for correcting my own post...
Kintanon
Taco seemed surprised that the drivers would be open sourced, but if you look at it from a Creative Labs point of view it's obvious.
1.Createive labs makes 0$ from their Drivers.
2.The more people who can purchase and use their hard drive the better.
3. the better the drivers for their hardware are the more people will want to buy their hardware.
So it's an excellent business move on their part.
Kintanon
Bruce Lee actually used to do that, but by hooking up electrodes to his pecs. If you've ever undergone electrotherapy (not the psych kind) for a muscular injury, you know what I'm talking about. It feels weird, to say the least
This URL has links to some EMS (Electronic Muscle Stimulation) equipment you can buy fairly cheap. http://www.vitalityweb.com/backstore/ems.htm
And in fact, I'm buying a couple of sets of these to help me get back into my Martial Arts training since I haven't been to class in over a year now. My girlfriend and a couple of my friends will be using them to help themselves lose some weight and add some muscle tone. I've also talked to a few people who have used them before, according to them if you leave them on for about 2 hours a day you can see results in 2 weeks, but if you leave them on for much longer than that at once you will hurt like hell the next day. One guy I know is up to using them in 4 sets of 2 hours with 2 hour breaks throughout the day. He says they are helping a lot for him... Hopefully I'll see nice results with them as well.
Kintanon
I never heard that story. I recall the McDonald's coffee. When I heard that story, I figured the lady never had a childhood where most people learn what HOT! means. I'm curious to know what someone hasn't learned in a bathroom.
Some guy had his 'member' mangled by the toilet seat, so is suing for quite a large sum, his wife is suing as well for ummm, obvious reasons...
Kintanon
Where they standing over his shoulder whispering, '23 Black! Take another hit! He's bluffing, your pair of 6's can take this hand!' ??!
How can you POSSIBLY claim that your credit card company 'Helped' you lose money? If he wins does that mean I can get a bunch of credit cards, charge a bunch of shit, and then claim that the credit card company 'helped' me go into hopeless debt?! Geez, some people are just total morons.
Kintanon
If they find evidence of a long dead high technology martian civilization, does it make a difference?
"The Human empire rejoices as its scientists have uncovered the secrets of 'Mass Driver' from an ancient alien spaceship"
Kintanon
No one with a gamepad will ever be able to stop the Mouse+Kbd (Or in my case, ergonomic Cyberman 2 pad) fraggers. I know because I tried. I am actually using only the buttons on the Cyberman with my left hand, and my right hand on the 3 button mouse. It works perfectly, and no hand cramps.>:)
Dreamcast is all good for fighting games like Soul Caliber (Bought DC and SC at once, MMMmmm!), but for FPSs and strategy games like Civ, or Warcraft you just can't beat the mouse. Of course, when the DC mouse and Kbd get popular over here... Well... Who needs a PC? >:)
Kintanon
You again don't quite understand. You act as if this is something out of the blue, that I have not thought about to a great extent. I have tried to refuse their so-called "help". Several times. It simply had no effect. The only option left was violence. Ignoring them completely didn't work, because these are the kind of bastards that simply can't be ignored. Continually pestering you about it for weeks on end. At least smacking them makes them leave me the hell alone, even if it does earn you a bad reputation. I mean, you reach a breaking point. It's not like this guy walks up, says "have you heard the word of jesus", and then I kick his ass. It's a continual pain in your side for weeks and weeks and weeks until you just can't stand the sight of the guy anymore. Finally, you just snap, alright? I'm not proud of it, but it works.
Actually, I know exactly the kind of christian you've had to put up with. And believe it or not I've had the same kind try to convert me, because I have long hair. They are the ones who won't listen when I tell them I *AM* a Christian, that I *AM saved. They just keep insisting that because I have long hair I'm evil and hell bound. I know exactly how you feel. Since you tolerate them for weeks while trying to make them go away I can forgive smacking them after a while. I probably would too eventually... It's a pitty that those people don't understand that they have NO CHANCE of converting someone with that approach and attitude.
Kintanon
They are not suing over rights to the name, they are suing over losing customers who mistype the name and see profanity. For the first time in one of "these" cases, I think the plaintiff is right. And I don't think it violates anyone's "free speech" rights to insist that they keep the root of their domain "clean", especially when they know full well that there is a potential for lots of young kids to be going there by mistake. Plenty of room on the other pages for breasts, F-words, etc.
etoy.com existed 2 years before etoys.com, whatever etoy wants to put on their front page is their own business. If Etoys wanted to avoid domain confusion they should have picked a name that wasn't so close to one already in use.
Kintanon
Anyone trying to convert me (or educate if you prefer that term, as it amounts to the same spiel from a religious freak) is liable for a punch in the face as a response. If that's what it takes to shut the preaching bastard up, that's what I do. Usually, I can freak the guy preaching out enough with an offhand comment so that it doesn't come to that, but I have had to resort to that method twice in my lifetime.
My my my, aren't we bitter? So you would resort to violence to stop someone from speaking to you just because you disagree with what they say? You admin that you don't respect their beliefs, then you turn around and expect them to respect yours by not espousing their views to you. Stop being such a hypocrite, be a little open minded. Learn how to discuss things rationally. Most people will listen and leave you alone if you give them a good reason. I would have to say that anyone who resorts to hitting someone who is trying to help them (whether you believe it or not) has no right to denounce the actions of anyone else.
Kintanon
Heh, silly me then, I something to do with them is in the Baltimore-Washington area... Just can't remember what it is.>:)
Personally I think I'll write up a quick Delphi prog that sits and reloads the page a few million times. Only takes about 30 seconds to make, but my cable modem can eat a lot of bandwidth...
Heck, if 5 thousand people did that their site would crash and stay crashed.
Kintanon
That's the date it will be published and on the news stand, not the date it was written.
Kintanon
My personal favorite Katzism:
Hackers - Experience It!
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Having never even been on the same side of the Mississippi as Rob and Jeff, I'd pay for it... :)
Hah! I mock you! I live about an hour away from them, I could visit the compound any time, if I could only FIND it....
Kintanon
(That is assuming the live where I think they do, ie the Baltimore-Washington area)