Actually they need reasonable suspician to stop and question you, not probable cause.
Probably cause to believe that a specific crime was committed and that you specifically committed it would be a level of certainty next to impossible to obtain without knowing specifically who you are anyway (ie identifing you in some way) in a lot of situations. Specifically when crimes are witnessed by citizens instead of the police (which is how it works most of the time). 2.2 police officers per 1000 citizens in this country makes it impossible for them to witness much if any crime on their beat.
I honestly don't see police requirement of ID as the problem here. Most states have statues that require you to identify yourself to law enforcement. There are a number of good reasons for this.
First, it allows law enforcement to QUICKLY know if you are the person they are looking for. If you look similar to a wanted felon, and the police stop you. How are they to know you are not the felon unless you identify yourself somehow? If you don't ID yourself, they have to take you to the police station and put you in a line-up or find some other man-hour intensive task to find out who you are.
Secondly, every time that your ID is run through the FBI's CIC, a record is added to your file that says that this specific law enforcement branch checked your identification at such and such a physical location. There may be a legitimate privacy issue that I can not perceive, but primarily this has become a legitimate tool for law enforcement investigations. It allows law enforcement to do "offline" checks to see what stops were made in an area. Its especially useful in serial offender situations where often a blanket police action may have contact with the serial offender in the area of a crime, but at the time they didn't know he is the cause. But after three different officers in three different police agencies stop the same person in the area of crimes with similar MO's, they can narrow their investigation. This has been used successfully and legally to all of our benefit in the past.
That being said, police don't need probable cause to stop someone, they need reasonable suspician. A lot of times, police define reasonable suspician as something they call Just Don't Look Right (JDLR). It might not be the most reasoned way to do police work, but a well intentioned police officer can use this to his advantage to elimitate social chaos in his community.
I haven't examined this particular case in any kind of detail yet, but it sounds like the "individual" conduct of the police officer is what should be investigated. Not whether or not law enforcement needs to have the right to require you to ID yourself.
Law enforcement in the U.S. is mostly localized. As such, community input into policing policies is very strong today. You as a ciitizen need to decide if you want your police given the tools they need to ensure that felons are not walking the street. Taking this away from will definitely make it a major burden to perform this service for us.
Its also a false predication in that IBM is supposedly responsible for making Linux free. Because it couldn't be possible that IBM recognized a "successful" development community and positioned itself to gain financially by becoming an early adopter. Of course it's only slightly more amusing that SCO themselves tried to capitalize on "free" software... but failed.
The entire court filing is full of this type of crap.
In a military setting, I would imagine that individual and team performance would be monitored heavily. At the end of a scenerio, they will likely be criticed by their instructors and superiors. In other words, this would be taken seriously, at least on some level.
This would allow them alot more 'field' type experience than is currently available. The typical field exercises using real world assets costs alot of money and takes alot more time and manpower. This would essensually allow them to compress a field training exercise into hours with almost no specific planning. Not to mention much improved evaluation tools would be available in a simulated environment.
Maybe, but there have been a number of intelligence reports in the last year that reported terrorist organizations trading for good using both cut and uncut gemstones.
Your humorous quip aside, this was added for a very specific purpose--to provide at least some chance of catching such transactions.
Your last point is not completely factual. Many states also have statutes that create violent offender databases that are published on the internet as well. This is in addition to the sexual offender databases. The difference being that social sigma is greater for sexual offenders than it is for violent offenders.
As you pointedly noted, one of the main reasons for this stigma is that sexual predidation is sadly like a virus. Once this type of harm is visited upon a child, that child becomes more likely to turn to this type of external behavior when he/she becomes an adult. A lot more people know this information today than in years past, hence the negative animus toward sexual offenders.
But just because a sexual offender was a victem in the past doesn't give them license to commit crimes against the autonomy of others. After all, if the prediposition to being young, rich and white was drunk driving and rape, would we let such individuals slide? I hope not.
Personally, I would go as far as to say that it is in the best interest of any community to ensure that its members knows where convicted sexual preditors live in their geographical area. All in an attempt to protect a family's progeny, such as yourself.
Knowledge is power. And like all powers, power can be used both for good and for evil.
I highly encourage everyone to browse to the Yahoo News article written by Mr. Lyons, and vote it as a ONE (ie would not recommend this article to everyone).
Not many people use the feature, and maybe it will send Yahoo a message about posting drivel like this in the future.
Its the same kind of logic that makes you only count a handful of counties when the STATE'S vote count is in question. Why not recount ALL votes in Florida if 'every vote should count'. Under the assumption that hand counts are more accurate than a mechanical process it would seem logical to recount all votes instead of just that of a couple key counties. Well, maybe not all votes should count after all.
I'll just assume all politicians are out to screw everyone until they show(democrates or republicans) me they really care about us equally.
Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday November 26, @07:17PM(4 Imformative Troll)
from the course-it-ain't-over-yet dept.
Ravn0s noted that CNN has reported that Florida has certified Bush as the winner, which of course means that he'll get the 25 electoral votes, and the presidency. We haven't had enough fun: Gore still has the popular vote nationally, and there are zillions of Florida ballots in question (felons who voted, multi-punched ballots, dangling chads and the list goes on). I wish I could say it's over... closure with a President with the qualifications of a head of lettuce is still closure, but I suspect the mainstream media will continue to harp on this for awhile. But hopefully this is the end of the issue on Slashdot.
....Anyway, I have to agree with the poster above, when give the choice of evil or stupid, I'll take stupid any day. Congratz Bush, 6 out of 10 electorial votes think you da man!
I've been wanting a MMORPG based on Tradewars 2002 for some time now. And guess what? They have started such a game. Check out Xshipwars when you get a chance. Starting to look pretty good.
I've been wanting a MMORPG based on Tradewars 2002 for some time now. And guess what? They have started such a game. Check out Xshipwars when you get a chance. Starting to look pretty good.
Yes, OS/2 is doing very well. My company has been deploying it in the banking industry for some time as a server and desktop(much stabler than M$). And wouldn't most of you be supprised to find out you were using OS/2 every time you use that nifty ATM to get beer money!*grin*
I moved from Wichita, KS to Austin, TX for very similar reasons. Better job market, more money, more entertainment, better bandwidth. Very standard stuff I guess.
I wish they would give Debian a try on one of these tests. Hell, install debian with apt(apt-get etc) and it doesn't get any easier to upgrade your stuff. Add security.debian.org to your source.list file and you get all the security updates with one command.
First off this guy really shouldn't be installing any operating system period. It really sounds like he would have had a similar experience installing Windows 95 and he DEFINITLY isn't qualified to install Windows NT. So....how does this article have any technical backing? Simple. It doesn't.
Secondly isn't there a newer version of OpenLinux out? I installed the newest Caldera at work the other day and I have to say that is one of the best installation programs I had seen to that point. If he had used the newest distro I think he would have found himself in a much different place at the end of the article(loved playing tetris while the install finished copying!).
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Actually they need reasonable suspician to stop and question you, not probable cause.
Probably cause to believe that a specific crime was committed and that you specifically committed it would be a level of certainty next to impossible to obtain without knowing specifically who you are anyway (ie identifing you in some way) in a lot of situations. Specifically when crimes are witnessed by citizens instead of the police (which is how it works most of the time). 2.2 police officers per 1000 citizens in this country makes it impossible for them to witness much if any crime on their beat.
I honestly don't see police requirement of ID as the problem here. Most states have statues that require you to identify yourself to law enforcement. There are a number of good reasons for this.
First, it allows law enforcement to QUICKLY know if you are the person they are looking for. If you look similar to a wanted felon, and the police stop you. How are they to know you are not the felon unless you identify yourself somehow? If you don't ID yourself, they have to take you to the police station and put you in a line-up or find some other man-hour intensive task to find out who you are.
Secondly, every time that your ID is run through the FBI's CIC, a record is added to your file that says that this specific law enforcement branch checked your identification at such and such a physical location. There may be a legitimate privacy issue that I can not perceive, but primarily this has become a legitimate tool for law enforcement investigations. It allows law enforcement to do "offline" checks to see what stops were made in an area. Its especially useful in serial offender situations where often a blanket police action may have contact with the serial offender in the area of a crime, but at the time they didn't know he is the cause. But after three different officers in three different police agencies stop the same person in the area of crimes with similar MO's, they can narrow their investigation. This has been used successfully and legally to all of our benefit in the past.
That being said, police don't need probable cause to stop someone, they need reasonable suspician. A lot of times, police define reasonable suspician as something they call Just Don't Look Right (JDLR). It might not be the most reasoned way to do police work, but a well intentioned police officer can use this to his advantage to elimitate social chaos in his community.
I haven't examined this particular case in any kind of detail yet, but it sounds like the "individual" conduct of the police officer is what should be investigated. Not whether or not law enforcement needs to have the right to require you to ID yourself.
Law enforcement in the U.S. is mostly localized. As such, community input into policing policies is very strong today. You as a ciitizen need to decide if you want your police given the tools they need to ensure that felons are not walking the street. Taking this away from will definitely make it a major burden to perform this service for us.
Its also a false predication in that IBM is supposedly responsible for making Linux free. Because it couldn't be possible that IBM recognized a "successful" development community and positioned itself to gain financially by becoming an early adopter. Of course it's only slightly more amusing that SCO themselves tried to capitalize on "free" software... but failed.
The entire court filing is full of this type of crap.
In a military setting, I would imagine that individual and team performance would be monitored heavily. At the end of a scenerio, they will likely be criticed by their instructors and superiors. In other words, this would be taken seriously, at least on some level.
This would allow them alot more 'field' type experience than is currently available. The typical field exercises using real world assets costs alot of money and takes alot more time and manpower. This would essensually allow them to compress a field training exercise into hours with almost no specific planning. Not to mention much improved evaluation tools would be available in a simulated environment.
BTW, when you are in another country killing people, they are called natives.... not foreigners.
Lets look into this "volunteer" thing: we are looking for a person ready to give up their whole life, move to an almost 100% barren place...
Are we describing Mars or North Dakota?
But if our environment doesn't change, how will we ever evolve as a species? Don't fear change brother!
Maybe, but there have been a number of intelligence reports in the last year that reported terrorist organizations trading for good using both cut and uncut gemstones.
Your humorous quip aside, this was added for a very specific purpose--to provide at least some chance of catching such transactions.
Sure, but what will be said when we discover that this meteor is actually a frozen chunk of fecal matter dumped from a passing Alien Cruise Ship?
Your last point is not completely factual. Many states also have statutes that create violent offender databases that are published on the internet as well. This is in addition to the sexual offender databases. The difference being that social sigma is greater for sexual offenders than it is for violent offenders.
As you pointedly noted, one of the main reasons for this stigma is that sexual predidation is sadly like a virus. Once this type of harm is visited upon a child, that child becomes more likely to turn to this type of external behavior when he/she becomes an adult. A lot more people know this information today than in years past, hence the negative animus toward sexual offenders.
But just because a sexual offender was a victem in the past doesn't give them license to commit crimes against the autonomy of others. After all, if the prediposition to being young, rich and white was drunk driving and rape, would we let such individuals slide? I hope not.
Personally, I would go as far as to say that it is in the best interest of any community to ensure that its members knows where convicted sexual preditors live in their geographical area. All in an attempt to protect a family's progeny, such as yourself.
Knowledge is power. And like all powers, power can be used both for good and for evil.
Dave
I highly encourage everyone to browse to the Yahoo News article written by Mr. Lyons, and vote it as a ONE (ie would not recommend this article to everyone).
Not many people use the feature, and maybe it will send Yahoo a message about posting drivel like this in the future.
On the other hand, this might give them enough confidence to try this type of thing in the real world.
Its the same kind of logic that makes you only count a handful of counties when the STATE'S vote count is in question. Why not recount ALL votes in Florida if 'every vote should count'. Under the assumption that hand counts are more accurate than a mechanical process it would seem logical to recount all votes instead of just that of a couple key counties. Well, maybe not all votes should count after all.
I'll just assume all politicians are out to screw everyone until they show(democrates or republicans) me they really care about us equally.
Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday November 26, @07:17PM(4 Imformative Troll) ... closure with a President with the qualifications of a head of lettuce is still closure, but I suspect the mainstream media will continue to harp on this for awhile. But hopefully this is the end of the issue on Slashdot.
from the course-it-ain't-over-yet dept.
Ravn0s noted that CNN has reported that Florida has certified Bush as the winner, which of course means that he'll get the 25 electoral votes, and the presidency. We haven't had enough fun: Gore still has the popular vote nationally, and there are zillions of Florida ballots in question (felons who voted, multi-punched ballots, dangling chads and the list goes on). I wish I could say it's over
....Anyway, I have to agree with the poster above, when give the choice of evil or stupid, I'll take stupid any day. Congratz Bush, 6 out of 10 electorial votes think you da man!
I've been wanting a MMORPG based on Tradewars 2002 for some time now. And guess what? They have started such a game. Check out Xshipwars when you get a chance. Starting to look pretty good.
I've been wanting a MMORPG based on Tradewars 2002 for some time now. And guess what? They have started such a game. Check out Xshipwars when you get a chance. Starting to look pretty good.
I'd really like to see Everquest and
Rainbow Six: RogueSpear ported to linux
Yes, OS/2 is doing very well. My company has been deploying it in the banking industry for some time as a server and desktop(much stabler than M$). And wouldn't most of you be supprised to find out you were using OS/2 every time you use that nifty ATM to get beer money!*grin*
Dave
I can completely agree...
I moved from Wichita, KS to Austin, TX for very similar reasons. Better job market, more money, more entertainment, better bandwidth. Very standard stuff I guess.
I wish they would give Debian a try on one of these tests. Hell, install debian with apt(apt-get etc) and it doesn't get any easier to upgrade your stuff. Add security.debian.org to your source.list file and you get all the security updates with one command.
Dave
First off this guy really shouldn't be installing
any operating system period. It really sounds like
he would have had a similar experience installing
Windows 95 and he DEFINITLY isn't qualified to install Windows NT. So....how does this article have any technical backing? Simple. It doesn't.
Secondly isn't there a newer version of OpenLinux out? I installed the newest Caldera at work the other day and I have to say that is one of the best installation programs I had seen to that point. If he had used the newest distro I think he would have found himself in a much different place at the end of the article(loved playing tetris while the install finished copying!).
Dave