It appeared sometime back (around either April or May of 2005) in the NY Times and other national newspapers. Sorry, but I no longer post links to articles appearing in the popular press - to much of a hassle and I feel that if someone in my low economic circumstances can keep up on current events, others should do so as well. It's part of being a citizen (along with serving one's full term honorably in the military, which deserter Georgie Bush has still failed to do and should ultimately face a court martial - prior to impeachment - for)....
Wow, dude! Is/. really fortunate to have a "sophisticated member" of the offshoring industry (a k a the "Benedict Arnold industry") respond so artfully to the topic. Wow, he is so up on what's happening in his beloved China - I guess all those free prostitutes provided to visiting biz and political dignataries (Oh those lucky Bush boys) must be doing the trick (pun intended). Yup, all them slaves is happy - see how theys all be smiling, massuh......
YES AND YES AND YES! By aiding the dictators in power - and M$ has been doing so considerably over the past decade, they are indeed aiding and abetting in those murders by the state.
So to is Nordstrom, Walmart, The Gap and so many other retail outfits aiding and abetting in the brutal murders of young Chinese girls when they knowingly purchase clothing, etc., from factories in China that unlawfully (by China's supposed laws) employ underage girls and, when they are injured on the production line, their employers bury them alive to avoid penalties from the local authorities. Corporate guilt must always be acknowledged......
First, unthinking one, when the criminals define the crimes (i.e., laws), your comment is completely arbitrary and nebulous at best. No further comment is required.
Of course, if Microsoft (or Google or Yahoo) existed around World War II, they would have lovingly welcomed a visit from Adolph Hitler to their respective campuses in the hopes of doing business with him.
The corpacracy is running the show and is to be despised. If any vestige of human freedom is to remain they - the corporations - will ultimately have to be destroyed - along with all other dictatorial entities. No person should have power over another - and no person should come under anyone else's power. The "Holy Bible" is the widest and longest selling publication of S & M. With the Old Testament being the sadism and the new testament being the masochism.
I fully agree with your assessment. While I bear no ill will towards Mr. Metcalf, he was suitably rewarded for his contribution to the field of computer science/networking; while others who contributed much more were not (life being unfair and all...). But the other components which make up the Web are equally crucial, and perhaps those creators have something more intelligent to add to the discussion than Mr. Metcalf......
Hey clown, in case you haven't heard, the Heritage Foundation is nothing more than a flim-flam mouthpiece for the Neocons - it is not, nor ever been truly a think tank. That is ignorance personified to use them as a reputable source - they represent the offshoring industry along with the Institute for International Economics - which has failed to provide me with any hard data supporting the claims of their paymasters (the various offshoring corps). Get a clue, dude, and google on "Offshoring backlash" and start reading actual sources of the numbers....
The problem remains - such information has been and will continue to be misused against the enemies of the politicians in power. When they acquiesce to having cameras trained on them (the politicians in power) then and only then would I even consider spy cams everywhere (i.e., where the working public goes). But even then I would be highly skeptical.....
Oh, how does one respond to a post that speaks volumes about shortsightedness...minimal attentional span....ignorance of history, both recent, long-term and ancient????
How about if a cokehead, deserter who claims to be a Christian comes into political office and decides to destroy your reputation? Your livelihood? Your entire life? You ever...ever...read the current news? Ever hear about a fellow named Scott Ritter? Probably heard something about those feebs in the FBI claiming him to be a child molester? Hear about the judge that rebuked those federal feebs/liars after hearing the case and throwing it out of court immediately??
Ever heard about politicians named McCain and Kerry? Please recall all those lies foisted by those architects of the right-wing (Diebold) coup about their war records. Of course, draft-dodger Dick(head) Cheney and deserter Bush don't have any war records - Bush can't even find a full-service copy of his DD214?????? What's up with that????
Dude - I'm not sure what country you hail from - but should it be the USA, perhaps you might read the newspapers over the past twenty years to see what the track record of those draft-dodging feebs in the FBI has been - traitors, child pornography, extortionists, murderers and accomplices, and general pervyness, etc., etc., etc.
All one need do is read the newspapers, both national and international, to realize that the number of jobs being offshored (both high tech and other categories) increases exponentially every year since 1999. This has been remarked upon numerous times by various well-known analysis firms. It has been remarked upon so frequently I have long stopped providing links for the mentally lazy and those who wallow in their self-sustained ignorance.
Dude, you obviously have a very limited awareness of your environment - and awareness of one's environment is a prerequisite to intelligence.
Five percent of the jobs is the lowest ballpark figure imaginable - it just ain't honest. And all those research centers opened overseas - employing foreign physicists, computer scientists, engineers, etc., aren't lowbrow jobs.
I've been tracking IT jobs from 2000 to 2004, and the decline is far greater than the article's author (and this poster) believe it to be.
Remember, such numbers are only voluntarily given by corporations (and the federal and local governments which do the same thing), and in each and every study by the GAO, and various other agencies and organizations, very few corporations and companies actually responded.
Just doesn't track.....here in Seattle, I see nothing but inferior white Project Managers who oversee Punjabis and Paks, either brought in to this region, or overseas.......Also, this supply and demand stuff is getting mighty old to people who've been around awhile and seen no competitive hiring taking place whatsoever. Far too many submediocre people are being hired as a security measure to ensure the job security of the people who've hired them (they can't be replaced by them, etc.).
Throughout the major cities public service announcements (paid for by the taxpayers) are proclaiming that the citizenry must not "depend" upon the government but should look to providing their very own "disaster" kits!!!!!
But government officials are paid big bucks putting out these nonsensical PSAs, while other government officials - both career and elected - are paid big bucks to act in such emergencies. Obviously, the freeloaders are not the victims, but those corrupt, pansies telling the victims that they should not depend upon those highly-paid, obviously useless, government freeloaders who serve no purpose whatsoever.
Thank you....thank you....thank you... for your most insightful, thoughtful and lucid comment - a truly noble and intelligent post.
The buzzword "innovation" has become nothing more than that - an empty buzzword. The popular business model of the day is based upon Jack Welch, former CEO of GE who is always being heralded as a business genius - but is the biggest loser around who should be the example of what not to do - disassembling a company - cutting costs (starting back in 1985) by offshoring as many jobs (including engineer's jobs, etc.) as possible, while ignoring the truly innovative stuff coming out of the company's research departments (which he continuously axed - thus not reaping the fruits of their labors). Interesting how many of the top execs he surrounded himself with ended up getting busted in public men's rooms for doing the dirty with young males (and sometimes underage males). Hmmmmm........
Today, the offshoring pundits say we must be ever more "innovative" to make up for our jobs we are forever being laid off of while they are being offshored. Perhaps they mean innovative in dumpster diving????? Oh yeah...and as far as education....what Republican congress and president just axed $13 billion from student loans????
In light of all the postings, newspaper articles in journals throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, anyone who hasn't figured out that the colossal offshoring of jobs and use of imported replacement workers (in America, in Europe, in Japan) has figured dramatically in the disappearance of "older" programmers must be either living in a cave or seriously unaware of their environment - and a very necessary ingredient of intelligence is awareness of one's environment.
Thanks for stating what should be obvious to most people: there exists a learning curve - and the more complex - usually the greater the curve. Corporate America (and elsewhere) have been treating its workers as easily replaceable modules and most unfortunately, this costs many companies and societies much turmoil as it isn't the reality.
For the last 20 or so years, there has been little validity between a corporation's stock valuation and the actual value of that corp's products (GE an excellent case in point). Furthermore, on a personal level, I don't know how many times I've gone into a company and saved them mucho dinero by immediately creating something or fixing something which has taken me many hours to learn elsewhere. This is the crux of experience, and why it pays off in both the short run and long run to a corporate entity. Alas, they will never learn......
Please consider yourself quite fortunate to have a position in the public sector - most states (certainly my own state of Washington) have been big in offshoring IT jobs for a number of years now (that would be 3 to 5, approximately).
Contrary to Indian propaganda, they DID NOT invent computer science, nor have they made any real appreciable contributions: M$ (Microsoft to the uninitiated) started running into even more major technical problems when they offshored a tremendous number of jobs to India (considerably higher than their official number as they don't count all those contractors and subcontractors they use over there) - prior to that move, many - if not most - of their inhouse fixes came from those North American contractors (including Indian-Americans and Chinese-Americans, of course) which they used and abused. Now they are having increasing difficulty in their fixes and getting anything out the door. Q.E.D.
I must counter with the obvious: Bill G. will bring the old BOB interface out of the closet as a gift to wifey Melinda and introduce it as the future of GUIs.
I hate to be the one to belabor the obvious, but considerable amount of research is no longer being done at the universities because the American corporations have offshored it to foreign universities.
Where's this "democratic" government you mentioned????
Last I heard, there's absolutely no way we have of verifying our national election results given the present state of the system (i.e., Diebold machines...).
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It appeared sometime back (around either April or May of 2005) in the NY Times and other national newspapers. Sorry, but I no longer post links to articles appearing in the popular press - to much of a hassle and I feel that if someone in my low economic circumstances can keep up on current events, others should do so as well. It's part of being a citizen (along with serving one's full term honorably in the military, which deserter Georgie Bush has still failed to do and should ultimately face a court martial - prior to impeachment - for)....
Wow, dude! Is /. really fortunate to have a "sophisticated member" of the offshoring industry (a k a the "Benedict Arnold industry") respond so artfully to the topic. Wow, he is so up on what's happening in his beloved China - I guess all those free prostitutes provided to visiting biz and political dignataries (Oh those lucky Bush boys) must be doing the trick (pun intended). Yup, all them slaves is happy - see how theys all be smiling, massuh......
So to is Nordstrom, Walmart, The Gap and so many other retail outfits aiding and abetting in the brutal murders of young Chinese girls when they knowingly purchase clothing, etc., from factories in China that unlawfully (by China's supposed laws) employ underage girls and, when they are injured on the production line, their employers bury them alive to avoid penalties from the local authorities. Corporate guilt must always be acknowledged......
First, unthinking one, when the criminals define the crimes (i.e., laws), your comment is completely arbitrary and nebulous at best. No further comment is required.
The corpacracy is running the show and is to be despised. If any vestige of human freedom is to remain they - the corporations - will ultimately have to be destroyed - along with all other dictatorial entities. No person should have power over another - and no person should come under anyone else's power. The "Holy Bible" is the widest and longest selling publication of S & M. With the Old Testament being the sadism and the new testament being the masochism.
I fully agree with your assessment. While I bear no ill will towards Mr. Metcalf, he was suitably rewarded for his contribution to the field of computer science/networking; while others who contributed much more were not (life being unfair and all...). But the other components which make up the Web are equally crucial, and perhaps those creators have something more intelligent to add to the discussion than Mr. Metcalf......
I must point out a major discrepancy here - the easiest way is with a Cadillac SLR in 1st gear...
Hey clown, in case you haven't heard, the Heritage Foundation is nothing more than a flim-flam mouthpiece for the Neocons - it is not, nor ever been truly a think tank. That is ignorance personified to use them as a reputable source - they represent the offshoring industry along with the Institute for International Economics - which has failed to provide me with any hard data supporting the claims of their paymasters (the various offshoring corps). Get a clue, dude, and google on "Offshoring backlash" and start reading actual sources of the numbers....
The problem remains - such information has been and will continue to be misused against the enemies of the politicians in power. When they acquiesce to having cameras trained on them (the politicians in power) then and only then would I even consider spy cams everywhere (i.e., where the working public goes). But even then I would be highly skeptical.....
How about if a cokehead, deserter who claims to be a Christian comes into political office and decides to destroy your reputation? Your livelihood? Your entire life? You ever...ever...read the current news? Ever hear about a fellow named Scott Ritter? Probably heard something about those feebs in the FBI claiming him to be a child molester? Hear about the judge that rebuked those federal feebs/liars after hearing the case and throwing it out of court immediately??
Ever heard about politicians named McCain and Kerry? Please recall all those lies foisted by those architects of the right-wing (Diebold) coup about their war records. Of course, draft-dodger Dick(head) Cheney and deserter Bush don't have any war records - Bush can't even find a full-service copy of his DD214?????? What's up with that????
Get a clue, dude!
All one need do is read the newspapers, both national and international, to realize that the number of jobs being offshored (both high tech and other categories) increases exponentially every year since 1999. This has been remarked upon numerous times by various well-known analysis firms. It has been remarked upon so frequently I have long stopped providing links for the mentally lazy and those who wallow in their self-sustained ignorance.
The term is mathematically-challenged - the numbers speak for themselves - regardless of what the corporate mcNews claims - hard data don't lie.
Five percent of the jobs is the lowest ballpark figure imaginable - it just ain't honest. And all those research centers opened overseas - employing foreign physicists, computer scientists, engineers, etc., aren't lowbrow jobs.
Remember, such numbers are only voluntarily given by corporations (and the federal and local governments which do the same thing), and in each and every study by the GAO, and various other agencies and organizations, very few corporations and companies actually responded.
Just doesn't track.....here in Seattle, I see nothing but inferior white Project Managers who oversee Punjabis and Paks, either brought in to this region, or overseas.......Also, this supply and demand stuff is getting mighty old to people who've been around awhile and seen no competitive hiring taking place whatsoever. Far too many submediocre people are being hired as a security measure to ensure the job security of the people who've hired them (they can't be replaced by them, etc.).
The synergy of the moment catapulted what should have been a rather mediocre company into the stellar limits of finance. Such is life....
Throughout the major cities public service announcements (paid for by the taxpayers) are proclaiming that the citizenry must not "depend" upon the government but should look to providing their very own "disaster" kits!!!!!
But government officials are paid big bucks putting out these nonsensical PSAs, while other government officials - both career and elected - are paid big bucks to act in such emergencies. Obviously, the freeloaders are not the victims, but those corrupt, pansies telling the victims that they should not depend upon those highly-paid, obviously useless, government freeloaders who serve no purpose whatsoever.
The buzzword "innovation" has become nothing more than that - an empty buzzword. The popular business model of the day is based upon Jack Welch, former CEO of GE who is always being heralded as a business genius - but is the biggest loser around who should be the example of what not to do - disassembling a company - cutting costs (starting back in 1985) by offshoring as many jobs (including engineer's jobs, etc.) as possible, while ignoring the truly innovative stuff coming out of the company's research departments (which he continuously axed - thus not reaping the fruits of their labors). Interesting how many of the top execs he surrounded himself with ended up getting busted in public men's rooms for doing the dirty with young males (and sometimes underage males). Hmmmmm........
Today, the offshoring pundits say we must be ever more "innovative" to make up for our jobs we are forever being laid off of while they are being offshored. Perhaps they mean innovative in dumpster diving????? Oh yeah...and as far as education....what Republican congress and president just axed $13 billion from student loans????
In light of all the postings, newspaper articles in journals throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, anyone who hasn't figured out that the colossal offshoring of jobs and use of imported replacement workers (in America, in Europe, in Japan) has figured dramatically in the disappearance of "older" programmers must be either living in a cave or seriously unaware of their environment - and a very necessary ingredient of intelligence is awareness of one's environment.
For the last 20 or so years, there has been little validity between a corporation's stock valuation and the actual value of that corp's products (GE an excellent case in point). Furthermore, on a personal level, I don't know how many times I've gone into a company and saved them mucho dinero by immediately creating something or fixing something which has taken me many hours to learn elsewhere. This is the crux of experience, and why it pays off in both the short run and long run to a corporate entity. Alas, they will never learn......
Contrary to Indian propaganda, they DID NOT invent computer science, nor have they made any real appreciable contributions: M$ (Microsoft to the uninitiated) started running into even more major technical problems when they offshored a tremendous number of jobs to India (considerably higher than their official number as they don't count all those contractors and subcontractors they use over there) - prior to that move, many - if not most - of their inhouse fixes came from those North American contractors (including Indian-Americans and Chinese-Americans, of course) which they used and abused. Now they are having increasing difficulty in their fixes and getting anything out the door. Q.E.D.
I must counter with the obvious: Bill G. will bring the old BOB interface out of the closet as a gift to wifey Melinda and introduce it as the future of GUIs.
This post causes one to contemplate why and when parents stopped naming their sons Ebenezer?????
'Nuff said....
Last I heard, there's absolutely no way we have of verifying our national election results given the present state of the system (i.e., Diebold machines...).