I believe techpawn was establishing the point that given extraordinary and unethical powers, one can extrapolate further transgressions heaped upon previous transgressions. This was probably too subtle a point for you, Kohath.
With regard to: Life is not a conspiracy movie.
You might reflect upon reality for a change. Just the other day we who pay attention to reality witnessed the abrupt resignation of the Inspector General of the US State Department, Howard Krongard. Several days later we witness the news that a brutal gang rape of a Halliburton employee took place several years ago in Iraq by KBR thugs (along with her abduction/imprisonment afterwards) - an event which was obstructed/covered up by that resigning Inspector General Krongard ("coincidentally" the brother of Buzz Krongard, number three dood at the CIA - and career member of the investment firm Alex Brown - when those mysterious puts/shorts of the 9/11/01-involved airlines and WTC-involved companies took place - and whose investment firm did that small-change millions end up in? Whoa...Alex Brown!).
First several times illegal wire-tapping made the national news, shortly thereafter it was knocked out of the news by those Spanish-language radio station-organized national (illegal? undocumented?) immigration marches.
Who owned those Spanish-language radio stations? Blackstone Group. Who is a major donor to Bush campaign...brokered the quickest, largest deal in NYC's biz history - that would be the WTC deal - and was lease-holder on WTC Building 7? Whoa....Blackstone Group.
You might look up the stats on the number of criminal conspiracies (and criminal coporate conspiracies) individuals are found guilty of every week here in North America.....
Oh, come off it, dood. Let me repeat for the nth time: the first thing your corporate-owned senator does when she/he/it receives a letter/fax/phone call from a constituent is to compare your name/address to their donor database. If you have donated stratospherically high amounts to their campaigns, you may receive a response of some kind after a relatively short time. If you have never donated, or only donated small amounts, you will eventually receive a pre-canned response from them (if you are lucky). There are several exceptions to this rule (Sen. Feingold comes immediately to mind), but they are extremely few and extremely far-between.
Your vote doesn't count - deal with it!!! The corporate lobbyists control the votes - each one probably accounts for 1,000 to 100,000 votes. 'Nuff said.....
God Bless you, Great Citizen, DavidTC, for once again stating the frigging obvious!@!!!!!! IS almost everyone posting to/. lately permanently brain dead? Or maybe these are those typical Pentagon trolls again? Perhaps they are simply grade school flunkouts.....(Geez, I wish I could stop saying that stuff, I'm an atheist)
Charges? For what? Is there a law that says that telco's can't tap a line.
Here's the point, ArcherB, you consistently come up with the same exact nonsensical posts - there appears to be absolutely no knowledge nor educated background in anything you say (along with your alter ego, Sumdumass).
One is always tempted to respond to your mindless gibberish - but no one, simply no one living in the Western Hemisphere, or raised in Asia could be that ignorant. Something in your posts is truly amiss.....
"We must gang rape them over there 'cause we ain't supposed to gang rape them over here." Dick Cheney/Halliburton/KBR goons
ONCE AGAIN, this IS construed as propaganda and it is against federal law for any propaganda aimed at the citizenry of the USA by any member of the federal government and/or US armed forces. END OF STORY!!!!
And Venezuela also has the luxury of an honest president in Hugo Chavez (Viva Chavez!).
Here in America, after the coup of 2000 by the Bush Crime Family with the aid of those Opus Dei members of the Supreme Court, we can only fantasize about honest elections.....
North America technically encompasses Canda, the USA and Mexico, three countries whose citizens would find such books most enlightening. Were you to read these five books - and one must assume you haven't to pose such a clueless question - a fairly complete and accurate understanding of the modern history of the American Military-Industrial-Congressional-Entertainment-Academic-Prison-Security-Complex would be yours......and such an understanding most certainly corresponds to parasites, bacteria, viruses, etc., etc., etc....
Fantastic post, Good Citizen aminorex. Perhaps you're acquainted with one, or all, of the following books:
Books which should be mandatory reading for North Americans:
1) Against Empire by Michael Parenti, (2) Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, (3) American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, (4) John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker, and (5) Brothers by David Talbott
For anyone wondering, read these books and you are well on your way to comprehending reality.....
Because, xzvf, there exist binding federal laws AGAINST propaganda by the any office, agency or entity of the United States Government. End of story. (Although I fully realize that the Bush Crime Family has broken over 10,000 laws to date - and no, I'm not bothering to list them all as the more erudite/.ers have listed them repeatedly over the past four years - and realizing that I once again note that many of us voted for Ralph Nader back in 2000 - and no, that didn't cost the election for Gore according to all election result studies - and screw Gore and his pro-NAFTA, pro-GATT, pro-WTO stands, anyway - because of the way the present gutless, spineless, half-assed Dems are conducting themselves in Congress.)
Obviously someone came forward about these conspiracies eventually, otherwise we couldn't really take statistics on something we don't know about, can we?
You doofus! Obviously, a successful investigation proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the guilty parties....hence the name: forensic accounting.
What cave did you grow up in to be sooo completely lacking in ANY and ALL critical thinking skills? The percentage rate stands, dildo-head.....
""People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice."
Adam Smith
Perhaps you've heard of that fellow, Adam Smith???
Dude, if someone honestly thinks that the United States government can pull off such a horrible, large scale feet without a single person with inside knowledge ever blowing a whistle or leaking some sort of clue...
Dood, time for a dose of reality. First, there are numerous criminal conspiracies over the past hundred years where NO ONE came forward - maybe that's why they are called criminals. Comprehendo?
Check with the Association of Forensic Accountants and that association (I forget their exact title) of Fraud Examiners: turns out that in over 97% of cases where "normals" are involved along with criminals in corporate conspiracies - NO ONE ever comes foward. Data and facts - it's what us critically thinking humans grapple with!
Now, no one (other than yourself, perhaps) believes 9/11/01 was pulled off by the US government - simply elements within the government which had elaborate control and power over specific aspects of the DOD and Transportation...oh, people like the Office of the SecDef (Rumsfeld) and the Office of the Vice Presidency (Cheney).
Now, I'm unaware of your military experience - assuming you have any and I suspect you don't - but as one who has experience in military air/sea rescue and military command/control/communictions - there were far too many anomalies regarding those "crashes" at Skanksville and the Pentagon. Also, the probability of over 1,001 "coinicidences" occurring that day (to those of us who've had the higher maths) goes to inifite improbability. Including that coincidence of said 9/11/01 attacks occurring not only within the same timeframe, but the same exact hour as those three military exercises taking place that day and time: Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian and Global Guardian.
Now these three exercises involved the forward positioning of the majority of US fighter-interceptors to Alaska and Northern Canada (unheard of in US military history), and multiple hijackings and the third exercise involving the use of planes flying into the NRO building in Northern Virginia, a building scant miles from the jet runways of Dulles Airport - where one of those 4 airliners took off from. Also, you might research the backgrounds of those government contractors and federal appointees aboard those jets that day (two of said airliners don't show up in the FAA registry - which tracks all commercial flights - as they were special DOD-chartered flights - which have confidentiality and must take off at the proscribed time and to the proscribed place - although with a limited number of DOD people aboard - tickets are routinely sold to civilian pax).
"..does anyone think the US government, the CIA or the Vatican would be stupid enough to get caught if they actually wanted to influence a wikipedia article?
Hmmm....let's see now, how many Republican clowns have claimed military service which it turned out they didn't have? I've lost count over the years, but when I was a volunteer worker with the VVA in Washington, D.C., I recall quite a sizable number. John Boehner (pronounced BONER!) is still in the House of Reps, and he used to claim "service" in the US Navy back in 1968. Said "service" amounted to almost going half-way through Navy boot camp (around 4 weeks) prior to being booted out for chronic bedwetting. This doesn't qualify either legally nor technically as military service - six months active duty are a legal requirement.
Does anyone think a member of the House of Reps would do such a thing on Wikipedia? Only us people capable of critical thinking, dood......
While both the study and article come across as quite intelligent and well thought out, one would never guess such results given the present electorate of the USA and the imbecile they put in the White House.....TWICE NOW.....
21st Century Reading List:
> The Bush Agenda by Antonia Juhasz, American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, Blood Money by T. Christian Miller, Hostile Takeover by David Sirota, Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast, Brothers by David Talbot, Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, No Place To Hide by Robert O'Harrow, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against The Middle Class Thom Hartmann, War is a Racket by General Smedley Butler, Licensed to Kill by Robert Young Pelton, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace by Gore Vidal, John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker
Ha..ha..ha, maxume, I was just about to suggest with the bunch of neocon neophytes now posting on/. over the past 4 years, it was likely they would claim that with a laptop all the world's impoverished and starving people would grow super-rich. You idiot,
there are lots(like tens of millions) of people that get enough to eat most of the time, but still live in poverty
your statement is soooo ignorant and ludicrous it deserves no response whatsoever.....MORON!
I'm afraid, QuickFox, you misconstrue the type of government America possesses. While Sweden is a civilized, socialist democracy, America is none of those things. Instead, it is now a Corporate Fascist State run as a criminal enterprise, in a state of artificial, perpetual war. The controlling entity is spread among the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Entertainment-Prison Complex - following a very similar agenda. Sadly, this can be traced back to the unheralded concentration of power in the hands of the Dulles brothers, and from there it degenerates.
It is a backward, regressive and anti-progress social construct, an abnormal offshoot of the Third Reich - not incidentally why we now have a president who is the grandson of a Hitler supporter, Prescott Bush, and also the great-grandson of the first president and one of the founding members of the most virulently anti-worker organization in America, the National Association of Manufacturers.....
Also, what's the comparison? There is no comparison...it is strictly relativistic. Such arguments make no sense to anyone with above-average abstract intelligence. I guess that's why they all voted for that mentally-handicapped clown in the White House - and no, I don't believe retards should be prez.....
On the more serious side, one must suspect the UAV field took a setback with the deaths of those UAV people (government contractors, I believe they were from Raytheon) aboard several of those four hijacked planes involved in the 9/11/01 attacks. Even recall one, or two of those guys were involved with the original remote piloting software development for commercial airliners.
The poster sumdumass is an obsessive-compulsive evangelist nut job who believes all science is "agenda driven" and the only "real" science is intelligent design.....(Can we all spell i-d-i-o-t?)
An excellent scholarly treatise on the bible is Mr. Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus, a most excellent account of how a fundamentalist researching the historicity of the bible loses his faith after actually examining the data, something sumdumass is probably mentally incapable of ever undertaking.
Such obvious instances of some of the gospels being written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus by people who never personally knew him, the origins of many passages of the bible (and the Ten Commandments) being lifted from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and numerous other instances of facts supplanting wishful thinking (e.g., Abraham's father a stone cutter who must sculpture thousands of gods, no doubt complained to his son Abe daily - Abraham then founds monotheism, thus making life easier for his daddy and future stone cutters.....)
I think because it's done by the same clown (Jeff Bezos) who lays off American (IT) workers and brings in foreign replacement workers from India and Pakistan. Sound familiar? Yes, Bezos knows Wall Street, but wasn't it considered illegal when he shipped non-ordered books to Europe so as to fraudulently impress his investors on the amount of (phony) business Amazon Con was doing back in the '90s?
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With regard to: Life is not a conspiracy movie.
You might reflect upon reality for a change. Just the other day we who pay attention to reality witnessed the abrupt resignation of the Inspector General of the US State Department, Howard Krongard. Several days later we witness the news that a brutal gang rape of a Halliburton employee took place several years ago in Iraq by KBR thugs (along with her abduction/imprisonment afterwards) - an event which was obstructed/covered up by that resigning Inspector General Krongard ("coincidentally" the brother of Buzz Krongard, number three dood at the CIA - and career member of the investment firm Alex Brown - when those mysterious puts/shorts of the 9/11/01-involved airlines and WTC-involved companies took place - and whose investment firm did that small-change millions end up in? Whoa...Alex Brown!).
First several times illegal wire-tapping made the national news, shortly thereafter it was knocked out of the news by those Spanish-language radio station-organized national (illegal? undocumented?) immigration marches.
Who owned those Spanish-language radio stations? Blackstone Group. Who is a major donor to Bush campaign...brokered the quickest, largest deal in NYC's biz history - that would be the WTC deal - and was lease-holder on WTC Building 7? Whoa....Blackstone Group.
You might look up the stats on the number of criminal conspiracies (and criminal coporate conspiracies) individuals are found guilty of every week here in North America.....
Your vote doesn't count - deal with it!!! The corporate lobbyists control the votes - each one probably accounts for 1,000 to 100,000 votes. 'Nuff said.....
God Bless you, Great Citizen, DavidTC, for once again stating the frigging obvious!@!!!!!! IS almost everyone posting to /. lately permanently brain dead? Or maybe these are those typical Pentagon trolls again? Perhaps they are simply grade school flunkouts.....(Geez, I wish I could stop saying that stuff, I'm an atheist)
Here's the point, ArcherB, you consistently come up with the same exact nonsensical posts - there appears to be absolutely no knowledge nor educated background in anything you say (along with your alter ego, Sumdumass).
One is always tempted to respond to your mindless gibberish - but no one, simply no one living in the Western Hemisphere, or raised in Asia could be that ignorant. Something in your posts is truly amiss.....
"We must gang rape them over there 'cause we ain't supposed to gang rape them over here." Dick Cheney/Halliburton/KBR goons
ONCE AGAIN, this IS construed as propaganda and it is against federal law for any propaganda aimed at the citizenry of the USA by any member of the federal government and/or US armed forces. END OF STORY!!!!
Here in America, after the coup of 2000 by the Bush Crime Family with the aid of those Opus Dei members of the Supreme Court, we can only fantasize about honest elections.....
Noted and agreed - although I still believe in Tribben's reasoning for dumping the auric standard.....
North America technically encompasses Canda, the USA and Mexico, three countries whose citizens would find such books most enlightening. Were you to read these five books - and one must assume you haven't to pose such a clueless question - a fairly complete and accurate understanding of the modern history of the American Military-Industrial-Congressional-Entertainment-Academic-Prison-Security-Complex would be yours......and such an understanding most certainly corresponds to parasites, bacteria, viruses, etc., etc., etc....
Books which should be mandatory reading for North Americans:
1) Against Empire by Michael Parenti, (2) Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, (3) American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, (4) John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker, and (5) Brothers by David Talbott
For anyone wondering, read these books and you are well on your way to comprehending reality.....
Because, xzvf, there exist binding federal laws AGAINST propaganda by the any office, agency or entity of the United States Government. End of story. (Although I fully realize that the Bush Crime Family has broken over 10,000 laws to date - and no, I'm not bothering to list them all as the more erudite /.ers have listed them repeatedly over the past four years - and realizing that I once again note that many of us voted for Ralph Nader back in 2000 - and no, that didn't cost the election for Gore according to all election result studies - and screw Gore and his pro-NAFTA, pro-GATT, pro-WTO stands, anyway - because of the way the present gutless, spineless, half-assed Dems are conducting themselves in Congress.)
You doofus! Obviously, a successful investigation proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the guilty parties....hence the name: forensic accounting.
What cave did you grow up in to be sooo completely lacking in ANY and ALL critical thinking skills? The percentage rate stands, dildo-head.....
Hey....isn't "malleability" spelled with two "ls"???
The 5 books which should be mandatory reading for North Americans:
1) Against Empire by Michael Parenti
2) Other People's Money by Nomi Prins
3) American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips
4) John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker
5) Brothers by David Talbott
Adam Smith
Perhaps you've heard of that fellow, Adam Smith???
Dood, time for a dose of reality. First, there are numerous criminal conspiracies over the past hundred years where NO ONE came forward - maybe that's why they are called criminals. Comprehendo?
Check with the Association of Forensic Accountants and that association (I forget their exact title) of Fraud Examiners: turns out that in over 97% of cases where "normals" are involved along with criminals in corporate conspiracies - NO ONE ever comes foward. Data and facts - it's what us critically thinking humans grapple with!
Now, no one (other than yourself, perhaps) believes 9/11/01 was pulled off by the US government - simply elements within the government which had elaborate control and power over specific aspects of the DOD and Transportation...oh, people like the Office of the SecDef (Rumsfeld) and the Office of the Vice Presidency (Cheney).
Now, I'm unaware of your military experience - assuming you have any and I suspect you don't - but as one who has experience in military air/sea rescue and military command/control/communictions - there were far too many anomalies regarding those "crashes" at Skanksville and the Pentagon. Also, the probability of over 1,001 "coinicidences" occurring that day (to those of us who've had the higher maths) goes to inifite improbability. Including that coincidence of said 9/11/01 attacks occurring not only within the same timeframe, but the same exact hour as those three military exercises taking place that day and time: Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian and Global Guardian.
Now these three exercises involved the forward positioning of the majority of US fighter-interceptors to Alaska and Northern Canada (unheard of in US military history), and multiple hijackings and the third exercise involving the use of planes flying into the NRO building in Northern Virginia, a building scant miles from the jet runways of Dulles Airport - where one of those 4 airliners took off from. Also, you might research the backgrounds of those government contractors and federal appointees aboard those jets that day (two of said airliners don't show up in the FAA registry - which tracks all commercial flights - as they were special DOD-chartered flights - which have confidentiality and must take off at the proscribed time and to the proscribed place - although with a limited number of DOD people aboard - tickets are routinely sold to civilian pax).
"..does anyone think the US government, the CIA or the Vatican would be stupid enough to get caught if they actually wanted to influence a wikipedia article?
Hmmm....let's see now, how many Republican clowns have claimed military service which it turned out they didn't have? I've lost count over the years, but when I was a volunteer worker with the VVA in Washington, D.C., I recall quite a sizable number. John Boehner (pronounced BONER!) is still in the House of Reps, and he used to claim "service" in the US Navy back in 1968. Said "service" amounted to almost going half-way through Navy boot camp (around 4 weeks) prior to being booted out for chronic bedwetting. This doesn't qualify either legally nor technically as military service - six months active duty are a legal requirement.
Does anyone think a member of the House of Reps would do such a thing on Wikipedia? Only us people capable of critical thinking, dood......
21st Century Reading List:
> The Bush Agenda by Antonia Juhasz, American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips, Blood Money by T. Christian Miller, Hostile Takeover by David Sirota, Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast, Brothers by David Talbot, Other People's Money by Nomi Prins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, No Place To Hide by Robert O'Harrow, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against The Middle Class Thom Hartmann, War is a Racket by General Smedley Butler, Licensed to Kill by Robert Young Pelton, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace by Gore Vidal, John Kenneth Galbraith by Richard Parker
Wow! You've just described the American economy, the World Bank and the IMF.....
there are lots(like tens of millions) of people that get enough to eat most of the time, but still live in poverty
your statement is soooo ignorant and ludicrous it deserves no response whatsoever.....MORON!
It is a backward, regressive and anti-progress social construct, an abnormal offshoot of the Third Reich - not incidentally why we now have a president who is the grandson of a Hitler supporter, Prescott Bush, and also the great-grandson of the first president and one of the founding members of the most virulently anti-worker organization in America, the National Association of Manufacturers.....
Also, what's the comparison? There is no comparison...it is strictly relativistic. Such arguments make no sense to anyone with above-average abstract intelligence. I guess that's why they all voted for that mentally-handicapped clown in the White House - and no, I don't believe retards should be prez.....
A coincidence no doubt......
The poster sumdumass is an obsessive-compulsive evangelist nut job who believes all science is "agenda driven" and the only "real" science is intelligent design.....(Can we all spell i-d-i-o-t?)
Such obvious instances of some of the gospels being written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus by people who never personally knew him, the origins of many passages of the bible (and the Ten Commandments) being lifted from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and numerous other instances of facts supplanting wishful thinking (e.g., Abraham's father a stone cutter who must sculpture thousands of gods, no doubt complained to his son Abe daily - Abraham then founds monotheism, thus making life easier for his daddy and future stone cutters.....)
I think because it's done by the same clown (Jeff Bezos) who lays off American (IT) workers and brings in foreign replacement workers from India and Pakistan. Sound familiar? Yes, Bezos knows Wall Street, but wasn't it considered illegal when he shipped non-ordered books to Europe so as to fraudulently impress his investors on the amount of (phony) business Amazon Con was doing back in the '90s?