Listen, f**kwit, and I get royally tired of stating this -- quit slinging all that disinformation and misinformation bullsh*t. Armitage read it off of a report from his old buddy, Scotter Libby, a report which legally and technically Scooty should never have received with such operational details. Everything you mention about this trial is wrong...wrong...wrong, yet you keep slinging that neocon bullsh*t. Your sig says it all, clown, as that was the corporation fined for price-fixing in the '90s.....
Gee, I guess that's why they managed to capture that anthrax assassin. NOT!!!!
Holy Cow! If those clowns at the FBI (who don't seem capable of ever obeying the law themselves) could even learn to find their butts when they are sitting on both hands???? And of course you are content, dood, which is why the last human I had an intelligent conversation with regarding the present and future of America was a Frenchman, back in 2002. Certainly few Americans have the intellectual wherewithal for said cognition....(PS - take a look sometime at the online federal wiretap report where the FBI posts the actual number of wiretaps (nondescriptive) they have legally installed - then note the incredible size difference in the amount they have purchased from private contractors.)
Odd? Where were these "overzealous agents" when the FBI was correctly tipped off to the "alleged" anthrax assassin (this was after 9/11/01 took place, mind you). Oh my! They were no where to be found as the FBI sat upon said tip for well over eight frigging months!!!! Once an investigative trail is cold, good luck, of course, but then wasn't that their intention?
The point is, not just all those tips pointing to 9/11/01 which the FBI ignored, but all those tips AFTER 9/11/01 which they still continued to ignore. Can you spell C O M P L E T E L Y C O M P R O M I S E D????
Excellent point! My only additional point is to recall that surgeon general who served during the Clinton administration, the one we laughed at when she suggested masturbation should be taught to teenage boys? As if any kid would need to be taught that.
Obviously, many of us were wrong and it turns out that the present president, George Weasel Bush, is the one f**kwit in existence who actually had to be taught how to masturbate. But who did the teaching?????
You missed the point entirely! The thesis is that the individual should earn their citizenship, not simply by handed it. The solution in Startship Troopers was that each citizen, in order to vote, and thus gain full rights of citizenship (or earn their franchise), would have due serve a term of duty. This could be in the military, some form of public service, etc. This conceivably makes for a more responsible electorate. And given modern-day USA as a prime example, I couldn't but agree - we vets have proven far more reliable as voters than virtually all other groups - simply note that the returning Iraqi vets who ran for office, 49 out of 51 ran as Democrats.....'nuff said!
I believe it might be more accurate to phrase it (although I appreciate your phraseology just fine) as the citizen must earn the right to citizenship.
Today, I hear far too many Americans claim it is not a "crime" to expose a covert CIA operation aimed at protecting their citizenry (Brewster Jennings) and get other Americans killed. These individuals who believe such should never, ever have the right to full citizenship (that is, the right to vote and decide all our futures).
[A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.]
Well said, Good Citizen Venona, well said. Anyone who reads Glory Road, Gulf, Green Hills of Earth, Waldo, Puppet Masters, Time Enough for Love, Stranger in a Strange Land (and those you mentioned) will certainly begin to gain a notion of the depth and breadth of the thinking Heinlein (and all his collected short stories are at least minor, if not major, masterpieces). He set the stage of provocative thought about the future - with a strong dose of cynicism - without really have access to all the historical information of his era. Few could make the business world, the world of spies, the fantasy world of magic, as enticing as he....
You're not listening - I take no issue with what you say - but America is not nationalistic as it is being run and controlled by transnational corporate interests....that's the reality, dood, and I have glimpsed reality.....(I do recommend better reading comprehension program for Canooks, though).
Heinlein is right up there with Asimov and Frank Herbert, IMO.
Puuuhhlease!!!! Heinlein was truly heads above everyone, especially Frank Herbert (and don't forget, RAH gave that charlatan L.Ron Hubbard his foundation for Scientology, believing he was providing Hubbard with a much need story line).
Truly sci-fi can be measured from Heinlein to Iain Banks (with asides to Poul Anderson, Asimov, Harlan Ellison's earlier work, Keith Laumer, and that cyber punk crew - Gibson's first three books great - but he just petered out after that...). Consider all the generalized predictions of Heinlein - not to mention that the US would begin to be balkanized around the early years of the 21st century - which truly is now taking place - with thanks to the 100% corrupt politicians/corps - and will eventually increase in speed. His Puppet Masters, Green Hills of Earth, and soooo many others truly established the bar for readable future fiction.
And for other posters confusted about Starship Troopers, it was - along with being an outstanding read for that time - an expression of the most equitable (i.e., merit-oriented) expression of self-government!
While you are correct on some things, others pertaining to economics, you are - as is predicatable - woefully wrong. But then, you Canooks, Brits and New Zealanders are a bunch of righteous, ignomonious pips. You can't help yourselves, and you Canooks are simply the descendants of America's first draft-dodgers (from the War of the Revolution, you Brit suck up!). While it is OK for others in the Americas to criticize America, Canooks have simply never, ever earned the right to do so (although I am in agreement with your overall cricitisms) as you are consistently too stupid, too ignorant and still are stuck in the mired nationalistic thinking. Please re-read my first post, nimrod.....
Your saying that Microsoft can't find employees because they don't pay enough because salaries are being held artificially low because of the flood of new employees from other countries.
Negative. Geez, can't anyone read. The poster is stating the obvious to anyone with a functioning neuronal complement: M$ seeks to hire predominantly only recent college grads and foreigners, with the emphasis on foreigners, and when possible, prefers to offshore.
I agree overall with everything you said, but it doesn't explain all the super-qualified technoids I have known who were laid off and replaced with Punjabis (nonvetted ones at that), or had their jobs offshored by unqualified managers. Perhaps it is due to all those HR droids, but I rather suspect it is far more the result of absolutely incompetent, shortsighted senior management....
It must be an utter nightmare for MS to bring in the smartest developers available around the world...
You appear to have a completely delusional grasp of the situation -- not surprising as you are, after all, a Canook. First, you are ascribing behavior to Americans in general what is really the behavior (both traitorous and fraudulent) of the transnational corporations - which neither recognize American citizenship nor American soveriegnty. Also, you suggest that M$ is importing the smartest developers available. Oh yeah! When will such actions translate to their software development, dood??? Can't answer that one, I'll bet.
You treat America as if it is still a country, instead of a wholly-owned fascist subsidiary of Transnational Corporate Global.
FYI, every day around or over 1 billion people use products I had a hand in developing. I, and many others like myself, are fortunate if we can obtain jobs as laborers (in many cases working beside illegals who frequently walk off the job in severe weather). You appear as delusional as most Americans - which usually stems from wallowing in delusion (watching too much TV and movies/vides and not enough reading and thinking).
NAFTA was supposed to incorporate the easy access of all North Americans (Canadians, Americans, Mexicans) between the three countries - guess that wasn't the real reason for it after all, huh? I, for one, am not upset if we have fewer Canadians in America. All the ones I've met in IT and at M$ are neocon/neofeudalists and Bush supporters. Nutjobs one and all....
Well thought out post, Good Citizen eln. What you state is correct on the face of it, but what it really shows is that either M$ is hiring the cheapest Legal Labor, or truly submediocre legal people. That Singapore Accords which was passed sometime ago has a loophole (i.e., purposively written subparagraph) the size of the Grand Canyon for this very type of situation. (I guess I'm the only one who read it through, and no wonder why Gates is now ONLY the second richest dood on the planet - assuming we are gullible enough to believe those official stats.....)
Aside from the technical fact he couldn't commute a city prison sentence (although I appreciate your sentiment in this matter), I am of the jurisprudence opinion that Ms. Hilton would never stoop to giving a BJ to Bushie Wushie, which is the only reason he would commute a prison sentence as I'm sure that would pose no problem for the Scooter Libby clown. Neocons, as we've seen in the news, normally prefer either other men or young boys. Armitage was supposed to have been very fond for young Vietnamese boys, from what I've heard of him. We know that the father, psychologically speaking, steers the children towards their sexual preference, which is why Mary Cheney prefers girls.
Bush has actually given one, and only one, limited pardon in the past - as governor he gave that notoriously vile serial killer, Henrey Lee Lucas a pardon, changing his death sentence to a life prison sentence. Those Republicans always seem to have a fascination for serial killers - please note how comfortable that Dobson character appeared when he was interviewing serial killer Ted Bundy....
It's not that prison rape is funny, per se, it is the concept of Libby receiving his just desserts for the monumental criminal conspiracy he is a part of, namely: shutting down the CIA's ongoing counter-proliferation operation, Brewster Jennings.
Not too long ago, just several days after the public release of NSPD #51, Cheney gave a speech stating that it was a certainty that the US would be nuked by terrorists. Well, Cheney certainly paved the way for such a thing to occur - but this time, hopefully, not as many Americans will be taken in by another pseudo-terrorist event.....
Does anyone really, really believe it was just a coincidence that Ted Bundy, torturer, serial killer and necrophiliac cannibal was a Republican?
No, no, no. She was no longer operating actively outside the country,..
I am in full agreement with you Good Citizen Copid, but would like to clear up this one misunderstanding: while she was based in mainland USA, according to her testimony before congress recently (backed up by the Director of the CIA), Ms. Plame did indeed operate outside the US in her frequent trips overseas to Turkey and several other countries. This did indeed put her in some danger, while most definitely (from the testimony of several active CIA agents in Scooty Libby's trial) shut down the counter-proliferation operation, Brewster Jennings, in which CIA-affiliated agents were, in fact, terminated overseas - that's terminated as in murdered....).
The actual source of the information (Valerie Plame's identity) was disclosed by a party unknown to Libby.
Actually, no, the party who was supposed to have first disclosed Ms. Plame's classified identity to Novak, Richard Armitage, was not only well known to Libby, their close friendship goes way back, with Libby representing Armitage in a libel case.
Incidentally, the disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity was not a crime in the first place, which in most cases is the context that predicates a perjury charge (I am not a lawyer,but Rudy Guiliani made this point in the Weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal.)
Right, you are no lawyer, and many who worked for Guiliani when he was prosecutor would make the same claim about him - an attorney in position only. There are a number of federal laws which were violated by the disclosure of Ms. Plame's classified identity: The Espionage Act of 1917, the Intelligence Identities and Protection Act of 1982, and I would strongly submit the National Security Act would be the number one law.
Ya know, Ekhymosis, it is not surprising so many hold your exact same opinion, as it is a full-time job today to connect all the dots, as there are almost an infinite number.
Please allow me to sum it up - it is all about absolute privatization (better known as piratization) resulting in absolute ownership (by the same elements responsible for that privatization thing). Qui bono - it's always about following the money.....
Wow, great to see some bushtard/.er has modded up a Fox (Fart) news talking point: yes, Armitage was supposed to have broken it to Novak, but who gave and directed Armitage to do so? And no, Scooter Libby's old buddy, Armitage, is fully aware of security procedures and classifications and fully knew what he was doing (Naval Attache in Vietnam, service at DIA, National Security Council, etc., cleared for briefings by CIA, Pentagon and State Department's B.I.R., etc.).
Evidence indicated that the name originated in the White House, which was why Fitzgerald was questioning Libby, and why he pursued the course he did.
And an interesting aside: why did Armitage, who had repulsed every single attempt by Robert Novak to interview him over the years, suddenly up and want to be interviewed by Novak on who Valerie Plame was?????? Now ain't that just whoopee-damn-coincidental.....
Great point, Ekhymosis, stating the problem is the beginning of true comprehension. Now ask yourself what this accomplishes? Obfuscating the issues, muddying the waters, so to speak, making it more difficult for the citizenry to understand what's really transpiring. The difference between the Clintons and the Bushes, the Clintons are small-time players who the Bush Crime Family have someting on (could it be their collusion when in the governorship of Arkansas and that illegal governmental drug smuggling utilizing an Arkansas airport???). Obviously, it ain't no "coincidence" that the House and Senate finance and banking committee members receive the most - and greatest - donations from PACs and lobbying groups, etc. (Although plenty of "coincidence theorists" will disagree with me.)
While the corporate-owned media will manipulate everyone into thinking Rep. Kucinich won't have a chance at the presidency, not because he's moral, upright and a critically-thinking and self-aware citizen, but because he's not "centrist" enough - like maybe the Bushes and the Clintons??????
When are we going to start caring in numbers large enough to make a difference?
Sorry, guy, but plenty of people care - but not the vast majority. Sure, the polls indicate that the majority are against the Iraq war, but that is only because it is perceived Amerika isn't "winning" there, whatever that means to the lowbrows. A sizable portion of this country still believes Saddam was behind 9/11/01 - because they don't read, are incapable of reading, and never, ever developed any critical thinking skills.
The newest stealth behavioral pattern is for individuals - in the public light or elsewhere - to claim they are completely against Bush (and the Bush Crime Family/Organization - while, of course completely supporting all his agenda.
Remember, 53% of Americans believe the cosmos was created only 6,000 years ago, 51% of Americans believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11/01, 49% of Americans believe that JFK, MLK and RFK were killed by lone gunmen, and 52% believe the official 9/11/01 cover story - regardless that it was probably the largest currency arbitrage deal in history, a humongous insurance scam, and, oh yeah, that small change in the stock manipulations.
The dems - many or most bought and paid for by the corps - still are playing it like politics as usual - even though an extraordinary amount of legislation has been passed leading to and allowing for some form of martial law. I will be very surprised if an actual election occurs in 2008 - although if Clinton/Richardson or Obama and Edwards are elected, it will pretty much be business as usual....
Lumpy, I believe everything you say, as you are so correct on all the details, I mean, after all, why wouldn't someone believe Velcro was a NASA invention, especially since Velcro was about the only thing that didn't come out of NASA.
Where did that urban legend ever get started???? Velcro was the creation of a Swiss engineer in, no kidding, Switzerland (go figure???). With all the advances of digital electronics, remote sensing telemetry, satellite and other types of communications, biomedical engineering, polymer chemistry and materials science, why all the focus on Velcro. Apparently, where Americans are concerned, Operation DumbDown has been a resounding success.....
You are sooo spot on, dood. Any truly advanced civilization would have crashed in Las Vegas or Monaco. I just can't believe these conspiracy types.....
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Listen, f**kwit, and I get royally tired of stating this -- quit slinging all that disinformation and misinformation bullsh*t. Armitage read it off of a report from his old buddy, Scotter Libby, a report which legally and technically Scooty should never have received with such operational details. Everything you mention about this trial is wrong...wrong...wrong, yet you keep slinging that neocon bullsh*t. Your sig says it all, clown, as that was the corporation fined for price-fixing in the '90s.....
Holy Cow! If those clowns at the FBI (who don't seem capable of ever obeying the law themselves) could even learn to find their butts when they are sitting on both hands???? And of course you are content, dood, which is why the last human I had an intelligent conversation with regarding the present and future of America was a Frenchman, back in 2002. Certainly few Americans have the intellectual wherewithal for said cognition....(PS - take a look sometime at the online federal wiretap report where the FBI posts the actual number of wiretaps (nondescriptive) they have legally installed - then note the incredible size difference in the amount they have purchased from private contractors.)
Odd? Where were these "overzealous agents" when the FBI was correctly tipped off to the "alleged" anthrax assassin (this was after 9/11/01 took place, mind you). Oh my! They were no where to be found as the FBI sat upon said tip for well over eight frigging months!!!! Once an investigative trail is cold, good luck, of course, but then wasn't that their intention?
The point is, not just all those tips pointing to 9/11/01 which the FBI ignored, but all those tips AFTER 9/11/01 which they still continued to ignore. Can you spell C O M P L E T E L Y C O M P R O M I S E D????
Obviously, many of us were wrong and it turns out that the present president, George Weasel Bush, is the one f**kwit in existence who actually had to be taught how to masturbate. But who did the teaching?????
You missed the point entirely! The thesis is that the individual should earn their citizenship, not simply by handed it. The solution in Startship Troopers was that each citizen, in order to vote, and thus gain full rights of citizenship (or earn their franchise), would have due serve a term of duty. This could be in the military, some form of public service, etc. This conceivably makes for a more responsible electorate. And given modern-day USA as a prime example, I couldn't but agree - we vets have proven far more reliable as voters than virtually all other groups - simply note that the returning Iraqi vets who ran for office, 49 out of 51 ran as Democrats.....'nuff said!
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Today, I hear far too many Americans claim it is not a "crime" to expose a covert CIA operation aimed at protecting their citizenry (Brewster Jennings) and get other Americans killed. These individuals who believe such should never, ever have the right to full citizenship (that is, the right to vote and decide all our futures).
[A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.]
Well said, Good Citizen Venona, well said. Anyone who reads Glory Road, Gulf, Green Hills of Earth, Waldo, Puppet Masters, Time Enough for Love, Stranger in a Strange Land (and those you mentioned) will certainly begin to gain a notion of the depth and breadth of the thinking Heinlein (and all his collected short stories are at least minor, if not major, masterpieces). He set the stage of provocative thought about the future - with a strong dose of cynicism - without really have access to all the historical information of his era. Few could make the business world, the world of spies, the fantasy world of magic, as enticing as he....
You're not listening - I take no issue with what you say - but America is not nationalistic as it is being run and controlled by transnational corporate interests....that's the reality, dood, and I have glimpsed reality.....(I do recommend better reading comprehension program for Canooks, though).
Puuuhhlease!!!! Heinlein was truly heads above everyone, especially Frank Herbert (and don't forget, RAH gave that charlatan L.Ron Hubbard his foundation for Scientology, believing he was providing Hubbard with a much need story line).
Truly sci-fi can be measured from Heinlein to Iain Banks (with asides to Poul Anderson, Asimov, Harlan Ellison's earlier work, Keith Laumer, and that cyber punk crew - Gibson's first three books great - but he just petered out after that...). Consider all the generalized predictions of Heinlein - not to mention that the US would begin to be balkanized around the early years of the 21st century - which truly is now taking place - with thanks to the 100% corrupt politicians/corps - and will eventually increase in speed. His Puppet Masters, Green Hills of Earth, and soooo many others truly established the bar for readable future fiction.
And for other posters confusted about Starship Troopers, it was - along with being an outstanding read for that time - an expression of the most equitable (i.e., merit-oriented) expression of self-government!
While you are correct on some things, others pertaining to economics, you are - as is predicatable - woefully wrong. But then, you Canooks, Brits and New Zealanders are a bunch of righteous, ignomonious pips. You can't help yourselves, and you Canooks are simply the descendants of America's first draft-dodgers (from the War of the Revolution, you Brit suck up!). While it is OK for others in the Americas to criticize America, Canooks have simply never, ever earned the right to do so (although I am in agreement with your overall cricitisms) as you are consistently too stupid, too ignorant and still are stuck in the mired nationalistic thinking. Please re-read my first post, nimrod.....
Negative. Geez, can't anyone read. The poster is stating the obvious to anyone with a functioning neuronal complement: M$ seeks to hire predominantly only recent college grads and foreigners, with the emphasis on foreigners, and when possible, prefers to offshore.
I agree overall with everything you said, but it doesn't explain all the super-qualified technoids I have known who were laid off and replaced with Punjabis (nonvetted ones at that), or had their jobs offshored by unqualified managers. Perhaps it is due to all those HR droids, but I rather suspect it is far more the result of absolutely incompetent, shortsighted senior management....
You appear to have a completely delusional grasp of the situation -- not surprising as you are, after all, a Canook. First, you are ascribing behavior to Americans in general what is really the behavior (both traitorous and fraudulent) of the transnational corporations - which neither recognize American citizenship nor American soveriegnty. Also, you suggest that M$ is importing the smartest developers available. Oh yeah! When will such actions translate to their software development, dood??? Can't answer that one, I'll bet.
You treat America as if it is still a country, instead of a wholly-owned fascist subsidiary of Transnational Corporate Global.
FYI, every day around or over 1 billion people use products I had a hand in developing. I, and many others like myself, are fortunate if we can obtain jobs as laborers (in many cases working beside illegals who frequently walk off the job in severe weather). You appear as delusional as most Americans - which usually stems from wallowing in delusion (watching too much TV and movies/vides and not enough reading and thinking).
NAFTA was supposed to incorporate the easy access of all North Americans (Canadians, Americans, Mexicans) between the three countries - guess that wasn't the real reason for it after all, huh? I, for one, am not upset if we have fewer Canadians in America. All the ones I've met in IT and at M$ are neocon/neofeudalists and Bush supporters. Nutjobs one and all....
Well thought out post, Good Citizen eln. What you state is correct on the face of it, but what it really shows is that either M$ is hiring the cheapest Legal Labor, or truly submediocre legal people. That Singapore Accords which was passed sometime ago has a loophole (i.e., purposively written subparagraph) the size of the Grand Canyon for this very type of situation. (I guess I'm the only one who read it through, and no wonder why Gates is now ONLY the second richest dood on the planet - assuming we are gullible enough to believe those official stats.....)
Bush has actually given one, and only one, limited pardon in the past - as governor he gave that notoriously vile serial killer, Henrey Lee Lucas a pardon, changing his death sentence to a life prison sentence. Those Republicans always seem to have a fascination for serial killers - please note how comfortable that Dobson character appeared when he was interviewing serial killer Ted Bundy....
Not too long ago, just several days after the public release of NSPD #51, Cheney gave a speech stating that it was a certainty that the US would be nuked by terrorists. Well, Cheney certainly paved the way for such a thing to occur - but this time, hopefully, not as many Americans will be taken in by another pseudo-terrorist event.....
Does anyone really, really believe it was just a coincidence that Ted Bundy, torturer, serial killer and necrophiliac cannibal was a Republican?
I am in full agreement with you Good Citizen Copid, but would like to clear up this one misunderstanding: while she was based in mainland USA, according to her testimony before congress recently (backed up by the Director of the CIA), Ms. Plame did indeed operate outside the US in her frequent trips overseas to Turkey and several other countries. This did indeed put her in some danger, while most definitely (from the testimony of several active CIA agents in Scooty Libby's trial) shut down the counter-proliferation operation, Brewster Jennings, in which CIA-affiliated agents were, in fact, terminated overseas - that's terminated as in murdered....).
Actually, no, the party who was supposed to have first disclosed Ms. Plame's classified identity to Novak, Richard Armitage, was not only well known to Libby, their close friendship goes way back, with Libby representing Armitage in a libel case.
Incidentally, the disclosure of Valerie Plame's identity was not a crime in the first place, which in most cases is the context that predicates a perjury charge (I am not a lawyer,but Rudy Guiliani made this point in the Weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal.)
Right, you are no lawyer, and many who worked for Guiliani when he was prosecutor would make the same claim about him - an attorney in position only. There are a number of federal laws which were violated by the disclosure of Ms. Plame's classified identity: The Espionage Act of 1917, the Intelligence Identities and Protection Act of 1982, and I would strongly submit the National Security Act would be the number one law.
Please allow me to sum it up - it is all about absolute privatization (better known as piratization) resulting in absolute ownership (by the same elements responsible for that privatization thing). Qui bono - it's always about following the money.....
Evidence indicated that the name originated in the White House, which was why Fitzgerald was questioning Libby, and why he pursued the course he did.
And an interesting aside: why did Armitage, who had repulsed every single attempt by Robert Novak to interview him over the years, suddenly up and want to be interviewed by Novak on who Valerie Plame was?????? Now ain't that just whoopee-damn-coincidental.....
Great point, Ekhymosis, stating the problem is the beginning of true comprehension. Now ask yourself what this accomplishes? Obfuscating the issues, muddying the waters, so to speak, making it more difficult for the citizenry to understand what's really transpiring. The difference between the Clintons and the Bushes, the Clintons are small-time players who the Bush Crime Family have someting on (could it be their collusion when in the governorship of Arkansas and that illegal governmental drug smuggling utilizing an Arkansas airport???). Obviously, it ain't no "coincidence" that the House and Senate finance and banking committee members receive the most - and greatest - donations from PACs and lobbying groups, etc. (Although plenty of "coincidence theorists" will disagree with me.)
While the corporate-owned media will manipulate everyone into thinking Rep. Kucinich won't have a chance at the presidency, not because he's moral, upright and a critically-thinking and self-aware citizen, but because he's not "centrist" enough - like maybe the Bushes and the Clintons??????
Sorry, guy, but plenty of people care - but not the vast majority. Sure, the polls indicate that the majority are against the Iraq war, but that is only because it is perceived Amerika isn't "winning" there, whatever that means to the lowbrows. A sizable portion of this country still believes Saddam was behind 9/11/01 - because they don't read, are incapable of reading, and never, ever developed any critical thinking skills.
The newest stealth behavioral pattern is for individuals - in the public light or elsewhere - to claim they are completely against Bush (and the Bush Crime Family/Organization - while, of course completely supporting all his agenda.
Remember, 53% of Americans believe the cosmos was created only 6,000 years ago, 51% of Americans believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11/01, 49% of Americans believe that JFK, MLK and RFK were killed by lone gunmen, and 52% believe the official 9/11/01 cover story - regardless that it was probably the largest currency arbitrage deal in history, a humongous insurance scam, and, oh yeah, that small change in the stock manipulations.
The dems - many or most bought and paid for by the corps - still are playing it like politics as usual - even though an extraordinary amount of legislation has been passed leading to and allowing for some form of martial law. I will be very surprised if an actual election occurs in 2008 - although if Clinton/Richardson or Obama and Edwards are elected, it will pretty much be business as usual....
The very idea of aliens in Roswell, how very droll. Everyone knows the cooking and restaurants are far better on Alpha Centauri.
[Do you really, really think it's just a coincidence that Ted Bundy, torturer, serial killer and necrophiliac cannibal was a Republican???]
Where did that urban legend ever get started???? Velcro was the creation of a Swiss engineer in, no kidding, Switzerland (go figure???). With all the advances of digital electronics, remote sensing telemetry, satellite and other types of communications, biomedical engineering, polymer chemistry and materials science, why all the focus on Velcro. Apparently, where Americans are concerned, Operation DumbDown has been a resounding success.....
You are sooo spot on, dood. Any truly advanced civilization would have crashed in Las Vegas or Monaco. I just can't believe these conspiracy types.....