Apologies if i sounded like I was trolling. I spoke only of my experience. By the way, I currently Admin a network of 90 PC's and the failure rate, when compared with that of my home PC, is reasonable. Even among those machines, the failure rate is far far higher than those experienced by my fiancee at her job. She is a Journalist/Designer for a local newspaper, and they have about 40 macs. I am the would-be Tech Support for that office, but have not had to do a hardware repair at all for that office. The PC network I admin averages at least one minor failure every few weeks.
I fully understand that PC's can be reliable, but there are many studies showing much lower total cost of ownership on mac as compared to PC... and that is not including software licenses.
All of this is strictly my opinion, grain of salt not included
Mobos arent the problem, its the 'NewWorld Boot Rom' Which is very strictly held by apple. Without the boot rom, MacOS wont run. One of the third party upgrade companies (Sonnet or maybe NewerTech) tried to reverse engineer the BootRom, but was forced to can the chip by apple.
a 300mHz 604e PPC chip is a reasonable performer, but you are running OS 9 (possibly lower). If you would like to get into NT is better than OS 9 then I counter that Beta is superior to VHS.
OS 9 had is good points, especially where the deisgner was concerned (back in the day when Win95/98fe were the alternative). And also, back in that day, Macs were sometimes marginally faster than PC's (meaning x86).
Today, macs lag in performance, and are more expensive (initial cost). That looks to change soon with the next round this fall. Besides, when you spend all day working in BBEdit, Vi, Emacs, or Notepad, do you really need the fastest machine you can buy?
Prices are controlled by Apple for this kit. The Mobo is a stock apple unit, and it wouldnt run a MacOS if it werent.
Prices wont drop because Apple isn't lowering the prices on a bare Mobo.
All anyone has said is that if it's about saving money on a mac, the eMac is more bang-for-buck. That's not thin-skinned, its miserly!
My statements were carefully thought out, not kneejerk.
You criticized another post for speaking without experience 'kid', yet you aparently havent figured out that Darwin is OS X minus Aqua. They are not seperate projects, they are parent and child (or Homo-Erectus, Homo-Sapiens, if you prefer that analogy).
You are quite correct in saying that Apple wants free code, why shouldnt they use the OSS model to their advantage, don't you use it to yours? In relation, take a look at MS's recent pseudo-OSS license for WinCE, where you can have the source, but anything you derrive belongs exclusively to MS.
While I am a Mac user, I am no evangelist. Apple has it's own special brand of evil, and the initial purchase price of hardware is very difficult to swallow. As I stated in my prior post, the cost of ownership for my Macs have been a fraction of that spent to keep my PC running.
Perhaps you weren't aware, but the tone and structure of your first post makes it seem as though you are actually stating that the OS and (built in)support costs were a negative of the platform, thanks for explaining that you didn't actually mean for it to be like how you made it sound:)
negative... negative...
At best you'd be getting a Sawtooth board (most likely the same yosemite board as in your B&W). Unless you just GOTTA have the AGP, there is no reason to expect a nocticeable performance boost from the Sawtooth board as compared to the Yosemite.
If you just need more juice, try this, its way cheaper and should suit your needs.
Do you think "I'm bored, I should troll?".
I think almost everyone who understands OSS knows where Apple stands, and most even understand why. Apple does support OSS, and no one is claiming that OS X is OSS. If howver you wish to run Apple's OSS project on your x86, there's nothing stopping you.
as for:
You're much better off putting the same money into a Windows machine
Pass that pipe my way dude!
As for me, I own four Macs and one PC. My newest mac is 3 years old, and the oldest is 5. All the macs just keep chugging away, and while more speed would be swell, Its nice to not have to replace 30% of the machine every 6-8 months, as has been my experience with all PC's.
What you're really paying for with an Apple is their support
Unlike Dell or HP??? Them are some rock solid components you find inside those branded PC's huh?
their backwards-compatible-with-BSD operating system
and you're saying that the backwards-compatible-with-DOS operating system is a better option?
and the pleasure of doing business with a company like Apple
By the time you get done with it you are paying far more than just buying a good used G4 (yosemite) on eBay.
If you really want a deal on a mac, you just cant beat the eMac
In addition to other arguments made above, never lose site of what really motivates the decision makers. They are not techies, they are 'business people'.
Three key buzzwords for you to use relentlessly:
R.O.I.
R.O.I.
R.O.I.
When you keep hammering the topic, sooner or later, a key decision maker will figure out how to convert the IT budget slated for the MS tax into a nice fat bonus for himself and then *bingo* your company will become an OSS/FS haven!
Now my PC case can fold just as easily as windows does!
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How the hell does that work... how can you patent 'onload="window.open();"'????
Doesn't Netscape already hold patent on Javascript?
Don't even tell me that it's different because he is patenting the 'process' of placing an add in a window. That would be equivalent to gaining patent on the procedure of a 'web page'.
Maybe I can use this to my advantage... I have a very special technique for masterbating that I feel is really my invention. I think you should all pay me whenever you feel naughty.
Congrats for making it all the way down here in the posts... you must be really bored.
For those comments above that "don't really see anything wrong with... [MS improving the OS by prescribing hardware]". I will assume you didnt follow the anti-trust case very closely. I would strongly urge you to CAREFULLY read the Findings of Fact.
Surprisingly, the Judge in this phase of the trial nailed the issue... its only too bad the meat of this document was overlooked by virtually everyone else. In short, MS was proven to have manipulated and maintained an "Applications Barrier To Entry". Which means if you don't have the developers writing for your OS, then you ain't gonna compete with MS.
Well, now that MS has been [*cough!*] disciplined, and is a good citizen, there surely is no real harm in them having direct control of hardware that will support all the third party software that will run on it.
For those who think this might not be a bad thing, I hear the Jeff Dahmer is reformed and available to babysit your kids... when can he come over?
Isn't it swell that we can all imagine a perfect world?
By COMPARISON, OS X has (IMHO) the quickest, simplest, and most elegant 'finder' [aka GUI] available today. All systems out there could stand some improvement, and while criticism of the sort can be constructive, wouldn't it be better to illustrate improvements rather than point out flaws?
Math is good but Nature is better
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The need for all those massive calculations has been under debate within the robot builders community for some time.
By using simple analog components from transistor radios and similar hardware, some robotic engineers have built robots that learn on their own 'how' to walk. The movements are never pre-programmed, the robot is just given a simple goal like 'move foreward'. It is then up to the robot to 'learn' what actions best meet that goal.
Seems like this technology applied to Robotuna would be a no-brainer. I wonder if they have considered this approach.
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I fully understand that PC's can be reliable, but there are many studies showing much lower total cost of ownership on mac as compared to PC... and that is not including software licenses.
All of this is strictly my opinion, grain of salt not included
Mobos arent the problem, its the 'NewWorld Boot Rom' Which is very strictly held by apple. Without the boot rom, MacOS wont run. One of the third party upgrade companies (Sonnet or maybe NewerTech) tried to reverse engineer the BootRom, but was forced to can the chip by apple.
a 300mHz 604e PPC chip is a reasonable performer, but you are running OS 9 (possibly lower). If you would like to get into NT is better than OS 9 then I counter that Beta is superior to VHS.
OS 9 had is good points, especially where the deisgner was concerned (back in the day when Win95/98fe were the alternative). And also, back in that day, Macs were sometimes marginally faster than PC's (meaning x86).
Today, macs lag in performance, and are more expensive (initial cost). That looks to change soon with the next round this fall. Besides, when you spend all day working in BBEdit, Vi, Emacs, or Notepad, do you really need the fastest machine you can buy?
Prices are controlled by Apple for this kit. The Mobo is a stock apple unit, and it wouldnt run a MacOS if it werent.
Prices wont drop because Apple isn't lowering the prices on a bare Mobo.
All anyone has said is that if it's about saving money on a mac, the eMac is more bang-for-buck. That's not thin-skinned, its miserly!
My statements were carefully thought out, not kneejerk. :)
You criticized another post for speaking without experience 'kid', yet you aparently havent figured out that Darwin is OS X minus Aqua. They are not seperate projects, they are parent and child (or Homo-Erectus, Homo-Sapiens, if you prefer that analogy).
You are quite correct in saying that Apple wants free code, why shouldnt they use the OSS model to their advantage, don't you use it to yours? In relation, take a look at MS's recent pseudo-OSS license for WinCE, where you can have the source, but anything you derrive belongs exclusively to MS.
While I am a Mac user, I am no evangelist. Apple has it's own special brand of evil, and the initial purchase price of hardware is very difficult to swallow. As I stated in my prior post, the cost of ownership for my Macs have been a fraction of that spent to keep my PC running.
Perhaps you weren't aware, but the tone and structure of your first post makes it seem as though you are actually stating that the OS and (built in)support costs were a negative of the platform, thanks for explaining that you didn't actually mean for it to be like how you made it sound
Hell, it isn't even an iBook, but here's about as close as you can get. Barebones kit counts as DIY right?
negative... negative... At best you'd be getting a Sawtooth board (most likely the same yosemite board as in your B&W). Unless you just GOTTA have the AGP, there is no reason to expect a nocticeable performance boost from the Sawtooth board as compared to the Yosemite.
If you just need more juice, try this, its way cheaper and should suit your needs.
as for: Pass that pipe my way dude!
As for me, I own four Macs and one PC. My newest mac is 3 years old, and the oldest is 5. All the macs just keep chugging away, and while more speed would be swell, Its nice to not have to replace 30% of the machine every 6-8 months, as has been my experience with all PC's.
Unlike Dell or HP??? Them are some rock solid components you find inside those branded PC's huh?
and you're saying that the backwards-compatible-with-DOS operating system is a better option?
Well, yes, that's worth a few extra bucks
By the time you get done with it you are paying far more than just buying a good used G4 (yosemite) on eBay.
If you really want a deal on a mac, you just cant beat the eMac
In addition to other arguments made above, never lose site of what really motivates the decision makers. They are not techies, they are 'business people'.
Three key buzzwords for you to use relentlessly:
R.O.I.
R.O.I.
R.O.I.
When you keep hammering the topic, sooner or later, a key decision maker will figure out how to convert the IT budget slated for the MS tax into a nice fat bonus for himself and then *bingo* your company will become an OSS/FS haven!
Wow, that is fantastic!!!
Now my PC case can fold just as easily as windows does!
Don't even tell me that it's different because he is patenting the 'process' of placing an add in a window. That would be equivalent to gaining patent on the procedure of a 'web page'.
Maybe I can use this to my advantage... I have a very special technique for masterbating that I feel is really my invention. I think you should all pay me whenever you feel naughty.
Congrats for making it all the way down here in the posts... you must be really bored. For those comments above that "don't really see anything wrong with... [MS improving the OS by prescribing hardware]". I will assume you didnt follow the anti-trust case very closely. I would strongly urge you to CAREFULLY read the Findings of Fact. Surprisingly, the Judge in this phase of the trial nailed the issue... its only too bad the meat of this document was overlooked by virtually everyone else. In short, MS was proven to have manipulated and maintained an "Applications Barrier To Entry". Which means if you don't have the developers writing for your OS, then you ain't gonna compete with MS. Well, now that MS has been [*cough!*] disciplined, and is a good citizen, there surely is no real harm in them having direct control of hardware that will support all the third party software that will run on it. For those who think this might not be a bad thing, I hear the Jeff Dahmer is reformed and available to babysit your kids... when can he come over?
Isn't it swell that we can all imagine a perfect world? By COMPARISON, OS X has (IMHO) the quickest, simplest, and most elegant 'finder' [aka GUI] available today. All systems out there could stand some improvement, and while criticism of the sort can be constructive, wouldn't it be better to illustrate improvements rather than point out flaws?
The need for all those massive calculations has been under debate within the robot builders community for some time.
By using simple analog components from transistor radios and similar hardware, some robotic engineers have built robots that learn on their own 'how' to walk. The movements are never pre-programmed, the robot is just given a simple goal like 'move foreward'. It is then up to the robot to 'learn' what actions best meet that goal.
Seems like this technology applied to Robotuna would be a no-brainer. I wonder if they have considered this approach.