That is strange, Be for Intel uses gcc and guess what, it is not GPL'd. You need to understand the license. If you want to pay Cygnus (okay I guess I will call them RedHat now!!) for a port, they will do it. That is how they make money.
GPL on a program does not mean that the OS you are running on has to be GPL'd as well.
You need to remember one thing. Be was meant to be a _WORKSTATION_ and not a server. I don't care what anybody says, but how many different people use a workstation. Sorry, but the typical number these days is ONE. Multiuse is essential on a server, but on a workstation? I would have to say not.
And what are your credentials that allow you to make the bold statement, "...As a highly regarded "open source" expert in the world of marketing, I am someone with considerable insight into the world of "open source" and "GNU" software, which I have been studying from a marketing perspective since the very beginning of the phenomenon over four years ago...".
I find it quite strange that you posted this under the name "Anonymous Coward". Oh wait, that is your name.
You must either be clueless and have no real-world experience or you just read the MS PR sheets. Admin'ing a Linux network is thousands times easier(I am assuming that you know how to use 'one of them there keyboards'). Few well written scripts and you are done. A user screws up their files, oh well, the system stay up.
One more rant on the comment "Again, I offer my considerable marketing expertise to this forum at no charge, as my attempt to "give something back to the community". Please do not give back to my community, our landfill is already full.
As a final comment, I would like to quote my grandfather, "If it looks like shit, and it smells like shit, there must have been an asshole involved".
Gee, I just can't imagine a legislative body of government passing legislation that is counter-productive!!! I have been writing code professionally for quite a few years now in the financial community, and the concept of a license agreement that basically say "if you install and something goes wrong, your just screwed" kills me. If my company attempted that, we would be out of business within two quarters. The fact that most software vendors (not just Microsoft) have license agreements like they do is a testiment to the fact that the typical computer user is so close to brain dead that it is scary.
Your story sounds great, but it has one GAPING hole in it. Microslow is on trial, not the whole stinking computer industry. How in the heck can the government force all computer vendors to provide/support atleast two OS's. Next, do you want the government to have that power (paranoid trip off now!!)? Wake up and see the world for what it is!!! All that the DOJ can do is possibly break the pre-install contracts with vendors (I say this with no legal guise at all).
Great, like I am not paranoid enough!!!!! People need to ask themselves, "why would a government agency apply for a patent?" I do not think that they are trying to protect themselves from a lawsuit because just how in the hell do you file suit against the NSA for snooping!
"Excuse me Mr.NSA person, I am from (put any corp name you wish here), and I have a court order that allows me access to your computer farm to check your software for patent violations."
What carpet are you talking about? All I see is a small dried-up rag that should have been thrown out years ago, but you were just to stubborn to admit it.
Well, I can say again, Thank You ESR for reminding me why I use Be. I am sick and tired of the fighting about who has the best distro blah blah blah. Look, I use my comuter to get WORK done, not installing, patching, building and debugging the OS just to run a simple app. Be gives me a superfast OS that has a simple and clean feel right out of the box. I just test drove two different distro's, RedHat and Caldera. I am sorry to say, unless you have a plain vanilla box, each install craps out. Now, I install my Be in under seven minutes and one reboot. No six-millions questions and blinking screen and scripts that give cryptic responses. If any of you out there just want a clean, FAST and easy OS, just give Be a shot. You will be pleasantly surprised. Eric, I hear what you are saying, but you really need to wake up and see the world as it is.
I just bought the book, and now I plan on sending the book back. My guess was last year, the title was "Beginning Unix Programming". I was okay until there was a single paragraph on threading, and it said and I quote "At present, UNIX support for thread-based execution paradigm is limited. The POSIX.4 spec defines a thread mechanism useful for real-time applications of UNIX and implementations are finding their way into UNIX-derived systems, including Linux. (This part kills me!) Due to their relatively poor support at present, we won't cover them further here." First, count how many times UNIX is used, and second threading in Linux has "relatively poor support"!!!
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That is strange, Be for Intel uses gcc and guess what, it is not GPL'd. You need to understand the license. If you want to pay Cygnus (okay I guess I will call them RedHat now!!) for a port, they will do it. That is how they make money.
GPL on a program does not mean that the OS you are running on has to be GPL'd as well.
But what about the system as a whole? Sorry, but I have seen way to many tweaks like that just crush the overall usabily of the system.
You need to remember one thing. Be was meant to be a _WORKSTATION_ and not a server. I don't care what anybody says, but how many different people use a workstation. Sorry, but the typical number these days is ONE.
Multiuse is essential on a server, but on a workstation? I would have to say not.
Not sure, but I think that I read that it is recommended that your '/boot' should be ext2 and not ReiserFS.
So as far as I can gather, you basically don't have a clue.
"Yes, Mr SoAndSo,
No, I do not want your business and money, and please quit calling me."
You must not live in the real world to make such a stupid comment. Whether you like it or not, you have to live with Microcrap!!!
And what are your credentials that allow you to make the bold statement, "...As a highly regarded "open source" expert in the world of marketing, I am someone with considerable insight into the world of "open source" and "GNU" software, which I have been studying from a marketing perspective since the very beginning of the phenomenon over four years ago...".
I find it quite strange that you posted this under the name "Anonymous Coward". Oh wait, that is your name.
You must either be clueless and have no real-world experience or you just read the MS PR sheets. Admin'ing a Linux network is thousands times easier(I am assuming that you know how to use 'one of them there keyboards'). Few well written scripts and you are done. A user screws up their files, oh well, the system stay up.
One more rant on the comment "Again, I offer my considerable marketing expertise to this forum at no charge, as my attempt to "give something back to the community". Please do not give back to my community, our landfill is already full.
As a final comment, I would like to quote my grandfather, "If it looks like shit, and it smells like shit, there must have been an asshole involved".
Gee, I just can't imagine a legislative body of government passing legislation that is counter-productive!!!
I have been writing code professionally for quite a few years now in the financial community, and the concept of a license agreement that basically say "if you install and something goes wrong, your just screwed" kills me. If my company attempted that, we would be out of business within two quarters.
The fact that most software vendors (not just Microsoft) have license agreements like they do is a testiment to the fact that the typical computer user is so close to brain dead that it is scary.
Your story sounds great, but it has one GAPING hole in it. Microslow is on trial, not the whole stinking computer industry. How in the heck can the government force all computer vendors to provide/support atleast two OS's. Next, do you want the government to have that power (paranoid trip off now!!)?
Wake up and see the world for what it is!!! All that the DOJ can do is possibly break the pre-install contracts with vendors (I say this with no legal guise at all).
Great, like I am not paranoid enough!!!!!
People need to ask themselves, "why would a government agency apply for a patent?" I do not think that they are trying to protect themselves from a lawsuit because just how in the hell do you file suit against the NSA for snooping!
"Excuse me Mr.NSA person, I am from (put any corp name you wish here), and I have a court order that allows me access to your computer farm to check your software for patent violations."
Dude, quit it. Your kill me!!!!!!
Personally, I would love to see a company put that name on a service contract!!!!!!!
Be gentle on this looser!! Remember, as long as he is at the keyboard, is can't be out contaminating the gene pool anymore than it is.
What carpet are you talking about? All I see is a small dried-up rag that should have been thrown out years ago, but you were just to stubborn to admit it.
Basically, JUST MOVE ON!!!!
Well, I can say again, Thank You ESR for reminding me why I use Be. I am sick and tired of the fighting about who has the best distro blah blah blah. Look, I use my comuter to get WORK done, not installing, patching, building and debugging the OS just to run a simple app. Be gives me a superfast OS that has a simple and clean feel right out of the box.
I just test drove two different distro's, RedHat and Caldera. I am sorry to say, unless you have a plain vanilla box, each install craps out. Now, I install my Be in under seven minutes and one reboot. No six-millions questions and blinking screen and scripts that give cryptic responses.
If any of you out there just want a clean, FAST and easy OS, just give Be a shot. You will be pleasantly surprised.
Eric, I hear what you are saying, but you really need to wake up and see the world as it is.
I just bought the book, and now I plan on sending the book back. My guess was last year, the title was "Beginning Unix Programming". I was okay until there was a single paragraph on threading, and it said and I quote "At present, UNIX support for thread-based execution paradigm is limited. The POSIX.4 spec defines a thread mechanism useful for real-time applications of UNIX and implementations are finding their way into UNIX-derived systems, including Linux. (This part kills me!) Due to their relatively poor support at present, we won't cover them further here."
First, count how many times UNIX is used, and second threading in Linux has "relatively poor support"!!!