Your reply didn't deal with my point very well, but I understand where you think you're coming from.
You're assuming that someone's general purpose PC already exists and is capable of being upgraded to a modern GPU (not always true, either because of slots, heat or PSU reasons). You're also assuming their existing CPU is sufficient to run the games in question. You're also assuming that they don't need the PC in question for secondary purposes while using the gaming system.
In my case, my wife or daughter is often on the PC while I use the PS3. Upgrading my GPU wouldn't help me game, I'd need a second computer instead.
Even if I'd bought a modern PC at the same time as my PS3 (launch + 3 months), it would be nowhere near up to snuff for playing modern games at the speed the PS3 does right now, nor would it handle Blu-ray or other HD video playback.
Remember, the PS3 can play or stream HD AVC/DivX at 60fps without a problem. Its also being firmware upgraded to play 3D Bluray movies this summer.
Add a BD-ROM to your GPU costs and a new CPU and heatsinks, and the much higher RAM requirements for less efficient PC ports of games and you're getting closer to a fair comparison. You'll be over $300 by then.
Notably the jurors weren't given a definition of authorized persons. I'd say that's pretty substantial to his own defence as I recall.
If you don't feel that anyone is properly authorized to receive the information you possess or that it will cause harm, then "just do it, its your employer" isn't good enough.
I was citing something different than I think you're replying to. But your point is valid.
For example, my APC UPS comes with a note saying that if I have problems, please contact APC directly instead of returning it to the retailer.
I figure that (A) they figure they can probably fix my problem faster, and (B) they don't want retailers getting shell-shock from returned units when APC can handle it directly.
They could however probably say that your vehicle requires being switched to steel rims for some cold weather excuse in your region to still be under warranty however.
Again, Sony didn't FORCE this change. They asked if you wanted to upgrade to the changed firmware. Most people I've heard of legitimately using PS3s for computing don't dual-boot. Those people weren't affected.
Yes, I meant that comment, and again, you don't disagree with it to date.
He said install. He said source viewable. Copyright law is covered by the Open Source licensing of a given piece of software, so that comment is pretty null. As for patents, they don't prevent installation.
You're either purposefully trolling or being unnecessarily pedantic about a point that was well-made and perfectly accurate within the confines of his argument.
Free Software is another definition altogether (as given by RMS). Both however meet the criteria of not restricting where you can install the software and giving you the source code.
Of course, an $80 NVidia card now doesn't beat the pants off the PS3 I've had for years for less than the cost of that card then.
That NVidia card also isn't a network A/V playback system with a firmware upgradeable Blu-ray player.
Those of us who bought original PS3s got plenty for our investment, OtherOS or not. Those who buy new PS3s will get plenty for their investment as well, OtherOS or not.
You do realize that leaving a huge gaping security hole open would hurt their pocket book a lot more, right? Closing the loophole and keeping all those game licensees coming is much more important.
If you can't understand that, you forget they're selling a game console.
That's actually why many companies specifically state not to return products to the retailer but to call the manufacturer instead. They don't want the retail outlets seeing the returns.
In this case however, I still think Sony has a point, and I always have. While I think the OtherOS feature was a nice feature, I don't recall it ever having been in their sales and promotion literature. Sure it was in the technical specs, but you can hardly use those to get a refund when your car comes with Halogen instead of Xenon lightbulbs either.
CyanogenMod isn't illegal and the installation instructions guide you through installing thing Google apps from Google's SDK instead to avoid redistribution issues.
I'm running CyanogenMod as well on my HTC Dream (G1) and between K9Mail and Handcent SMS for my messaging needs and using Dolphin as my browser (which supports multi-touch), I'm very happy with my device.
Ironically its that other game console maker who did something way too similar. Release a new console after leaving all your existing console owners hanging out to dry. Stop supporting the old console, stop licensing it for games and never really come through with good emulation for those games on the new system.
Funny how evils of the past are forgotten.
"Now that I've played PGR a few times, I'm tired of it. Where's all the games?"... Slashdot before the PS3.
Slashdot Mirror
Agreed entirely.
I thought the definition of authorized persons was the most important part of the case.
Failing to establish that, I'd have to find him not guilty.
That's funny, because Sony's been selling the slim PS3s without this ability for quite a while now.
Nobody seemed to find that to be false advertising.
Your reply didn't deal with my point very well, but I understand where you think you're coming from.
You're assuming that someone's general purpose PC already exists and is capable of being upgraded to a modern GPU (not always true, either because of slots, heat or PSU reasons). You're also assuming their existing CPU is sufficient to run the games in question. You're also assuming that they don't need the PC in question for secondary purposes while using the gaming system.
In my case, my wife or daughter is often on the PC while I use the PS3. Upgrading my GPU wouldn't help me game, I'd need a second computer instead.
Even if I'd bought a modern PC at the same time as my PS3 (launch + 3 months), it would be nowhere near up to snuff for playing modern games at the speed the PS3 does right now, nor would it handle Blu-ray or other HD video playback.
Remember, the PS3 can play or stream HD AVC/DivX at 60fps without a problem. Its also being firmware upgraded to play 3D Bluray movies this summer.
Add a BD-ROM to your GPU costs and a new CPU and heatsinks, and the much higher RAM requirements for less efficient PC ports of games and you're getting closer to a fair comparison. You'll be over $300 by then.
Good thing you're A/C. I'd put your name on my do-not-hire list.
Go work for a spammer. They'd appreciate your work "ethic".
Ditto.
If someone's authorized to have the password, they'd have it already.
If there needs to be a secure handover of power situation, that should already be in place before it needs to be done.
In fact, if there's anything I'd want to ask Childs its whether he'd ever pressured management for a proper disclosure scenario to be documented.
"In the event of my death or demotion, passwords can be retrieved by ... "
Notably the jurors weren't given a definition of authorized persons. I'd say that's pretty substantial to his own defence as I recall.
If you don't feel that anyone is properly authorized to receive the information you possess or that it will cause harm, then "just do it, its your employer" isn't good enough.
I was citing something different than I think you're replying to. But your point is valid.
For example, my APC UPS comes with a note saying that if I have problems, please contact APC directly instead of returning it to the retailer.
I figure that (A) they figure they can probably fix my problem faster, and (B) they don't want retailers getting shell-shock from returned units when APC can handle it directly.
Only if your warranty agreement says they can't.
They could however probably say that your vehicle requires being switched to steel rims for some cold weather excuse in your region to still be under warranty however.
Again, Sony didn't FORCE this change. They asked if you wanted to upgrade to the changed firmware. Most people I've heard of legitimately using PS3s for computing don't dual-boot. Those people weren't affected.
That was precisely my point (we have 6 yr warranties on some vehicles so I said 7 just to make sure nobody got all pedantic on me).
Yes, I meant that comment, and again, you don't disagree with it to date.
He said install. He said source viewable. Copyright law is covered by the Open Source licensing of a given piece of software, so that comment is pretty null. As for patents, they don't prevent installation.
You're either purposefully trolling or being unnecessarily pedantic about a point that was well-made and perfectly accurate within the confines of his argument.
His comment on Open Source was perfectly valid.
Free Software is another definition altogether (as given by RMS). Both however meet the criteria of not restricting where you can install the software and giving you the source code.
Concurrent sentencing prevents sending you to jail for 300 years for parking tickets.
How do you propose those space flights get to space? I'm betting its through civilian airspace.
The FAA should definitely have something to do with that.
Of course, an $80 NVidia card now doesn't beat the pants off the PS3 I've had for years for less than the cost of that card then.
That NVidia card also isn't a network A/V playback system with a firmware upgradeable Blu-ray player.
Those of us who bought original PS3s got plenty for our investment, OtherOS or not.
Those who buy new PS3s will get plenty for their investment as well, OtherOS or not.
Neither compares to a simple graphics card.
Actually, nowhere on that page does it say any of what you claimed.
What it says is that if you install the software you can do things with it.
Nowhere does it guarantee the software to be installable.
Especially if its a $600 piece of hardware that came with a one year warranty that hasn't been sold for over almost a year.
I'm quite certain GM doesn't have to guarantee your car to be drivable in 7 years either. Just an aside.
You do realize that leaving a huge gaping security hole open would hurt their pocket book a lot more, right? Closing the loophole and keeping all those game licensees coming is much more important.
If you can't understand that, you forget they're selling a game console.
lol ... PS for all those who think Sony's being a jerk, read your Office or Windows EULA some time.
Just ... for entertainment value.
That's actually why many companies specifically state not to return products to the retailer but to call the manufacturer instead. They don't want the retail outlets seeing the returns.
In this case however, I still think Sony has a point, and I always have. While I think the OtherOS feature was a nice feature, I don't recall it ever having been in their sales and promotion literature. Sure it was in the technical specs, but you can hardly use those to get a refund when your car comes with Halogen instead of Xenon lightbulbs either.
CyanogenMod isn't illegal and the installation instructions guide you through installing thing Google apps from Google's SDK instead to avoid redistribution issues.
Even the Market works from within Cyanogen.
I'm running CyanogenMod as well on my HTC Dream (G1) and between K9Mail and Handcent SMS for my messaging needs and using Dolphin as my browser (which supports multi-touch), I'm very happy with my device.
Its an Alpha release. All Alpha releases will at your paper, kill your cat and possibly burn down your house. Use at your own risk.
For those who want to play around with a pre-release product however, this is exciting. If you can't handle the world of pre-release, stay out.
Indeed ... new Slashcode strikes again.
Ironically its that other game console maker who did something way too similar. Release a new console after leaving all your existing console owners hanging out to dry. Stop supporting the old console, stop licensing it for games and never really come through with good emulation for those games on the new system.
Funny how evils of the past are forgotten.
"Now that I've played PGR a few times, I'm tired of it. Where's all the games?" ... Slashdot before the PS3.
Because the majority of Slashdot have these funny PC gaming blinders on and think Sony's evil in a way that nobody else is.
It'd be quite humorous if it wasn't so sad.