Please click my name and read my other posts in this thread -- I was fairly detailed about this already elsewhere.
That said, movies *do not* take place in front of you. Depending on the director, the point is typically to immerse you in the environment of the movie to help you experience what it is they're trying to get across.
That means if a bullet whizzes by the main character's head while you're facing his back, you should hear it while its behind the camera too, should you not? And not from in front of you; that would break the immersion.
Just like your eyes in fluorescent light, you may believe that you're hearing everything there is to hear with stereo, but you're not. I'm not saying its worth the investment for everyone, but you can always go sit in a THX approved theatre and watch a good movie then tell me it sounds no different from your home stereo system.
Do you know how sound reflects? If not, go say something in a 'dead' room with no echos. You'll understand that you do in fact hear things from multiple directions because it sounds *wrong* to talk to someone without the reflections off the walls you can see.
If in fact you didn't perceive directional sound, stereo speakers would be placed on either side of the head like headphones.
Moving the speakers forward and behind you, etc. actually changes the sound, proving that the extra speaker positions fill in a gap.
When you're watching a movie with people moving through the woods and you hear the birds and bush moving around you in 3D and the dialog coming from the screen where you expect it (because of the centre channel) and the overpass of the rescue plane actually goes from in front of you to behind you, you can't say it sounds better on 2 speakers without realizing its just preference.
I said no such thing, nor did I insinuate it. Nor, in fact, did the original speaker.
Please take a good logic/grammar course.
That said, another responder pointed out that I was wrong in my characterization of the comment -- gamers do in fact now have a choice, whereas they did not before.
Accurate 360 degree reproduction of sound requires at least 5 or 6 speakers at semi-equal dispertions around you, with one centered directly in front and preferably one directly behind, at equal distances from the listener.
Its been tested over and over.
That doesn't account for overhead or under-foot sound either, or the fact that seperate sub-woofers should be used for low-frequencies.
Personally speaking, I wish I had the additional center-stereo channels to bring dialog closer to the screen as done in some theatre recordings instead of my 5.1 system since my front stereos are quite far apart (to allow for proper seperation for all in the room). The center is useful here, but the additional inside-stereo speakers would help.
The purpose of the hashes used in the.torrent file (the only portion relevant to the Copyright on the original) is only to validate that the file is an accurate reproduction.
Just a side issue for your "purpose and character" comment.
Interesting comment, despite being somewhat silly.
If I took your good stereo hookup and added the 3.1 required to make it 5.1 and matched your existing stereo configuration, would it sound better?
Yes.
If you're accustomed to the sound of stereo, 5.1 or 7.1 or 9.2 will sound "different" to you. If you're under 30 and haven't been HiFi'ing it with stereo for the last 20+ years, you'll probably enjoy a good 5.1 system much better than a good stereo system.
Center channel for better sound stage, rears and sides for better fill and echo reproduction, and it sounds much better.
That said, a lot of recordings are *designed* for at least surround, if not ProLogic II (6.1 basically) in their stereo encodings and therefore sound *more* accurate on a 6.1 system.
I'm assuming that AMD is frustrated that having a superior chip and good manufacturing processes, they can't get a leg up on Intel when they talk to major distributors/OEMs because Intel has them on lock-in deals.
Your comment is illogical. The marketing comment was in fact valid.
I read both statements a few times before bothering to say this, but don't decide its babble just because it came from marketing.
The statement from Kevin should probably be broken down grammatically and semantically into "People who want the (fun|stable|non-MS) operating system that is Linux but also want to play games (primarily released for Windows) won't have to choose between the two anymore since they can now have their cake and eat it too -- their Windows games will run on Linux."
If we took your comment at face value, what you're saying is "there's no reason to choose Linux." which is in fact flamebait.
Please remember what you're talking about here -- a few, maybe 20 SHA hashes of chunks of a Copyright work. The original might be 1.2GB and the SHA hashes thereof a hundred KB. This is so negligable as to fall under 'fair use' for sampling (use of a very small part of a Copyrighted work to reference said work is perfectly legal in most countries.
The source is always the best place to go for information. AMD's page, above, has various links and pages of information on how and why they're creating this new plant and what the details of its operation are.
Derived works are in fact *not* under the same purview as the originals, but that's beside the point.
A representative fingerprint of the blocks of the original work has not been deemed a Copyright issue yet, despite its use in multiple protocols and digital signature systems.
To clarify: 6 hours of total downtime, from the backhoe doing its duty to figuring out thats where the loss of service was, to driving an hour to the site to splicing the fibre, to service being up and running again.
CAT-5 nothing, try being told by your upstream provider that the main fibre optic trunk lines from Toronto to your town got torn to shreds by a backhoe.
Resplice fibre? Yes they did... in less than 6 hours even.
How do you think Sony makes all the licensing money? By selling the platform rights for games/movies. How do you think they do that? By showing that their users probably won't pirate the media in question.
Actually, the numbers I've seen are that child molestors repeat less often than other types of offenders (theft, for example).
That said, child molesting is (deservedly, I'd say) categorized as a very heinous crime in most places. As such, child molestors get the short end of the proverbial stick (excuse the pun) when it comes to "serving their time".
I'd also like to point out that "sex offender" (the term usually coined) equally applies to the 19 yr old and her 16 yr old boyfriend as it does to the 52 yr old pervert and the 21 yr old college student.
"Do it yourself" will be the downfall of modern society.
We have societies so that we can all benefit from each other.
How would my doctor be able to fix my heart if the technicien told him to build the equipment himself?
We either do our jobs to the best of our abilities to the betterment of society, or we mooch. Pick one. Mathematically speaking, we'll all be better off if we pick the first.
Every now and then I look at those embeddable Pentium-based SoCs and think about how many I could fit into a box... clustering on the cheap.
More fun would be the 150MHz 486 systems I've seen with built-in Ethernet at about 4" by 3". A whole whack of those next to each other on their sides, blade-style, attached to a good network switch would be a lot of fun.
"Nice system, what's it run on?" "486s... lots of 486s"
I bought all the Alias DVDs because I loved the show. I want it to be produced next season again, and again. I'm voting with my dollars, yes.
I also download the shows I've missed online, long before the DVDs become available.
Showing friends the DVDs, they've bought copies of the show as well.
I want the MPAA and RIAA and other four-letter acronyms to understand that I am a consumer, I will buy product I like and expect the right to share it with friends or have friends share it with me, to their benefit or not.
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Please click my name and read my other posts in this thread -- I was fairly detailed about this already elsewhere.
That said, movies *do not* take place in front of you. Depending on the director, the point is typically to immerse you in the environment of the movie to help you experience what it is they're trying to get across.
That means if a bullet whizzes by the main character's head while you're facing his back, you should hear it while its behind the camera too, should you not? And not from in front of you; that would break the immersion.
Just like your eyes in fluorescent light, you may believe that you're hearing everything there is to hear with stereo, but you're not. I'm not saying its worth the investment for everyone, but you can always go sit in a THX approved theatre and watch a good movie then tell me it sounds no different from your home stereo system.
Sweet spots are another issue altogether; one that it would be wonderful to eliminate, but it is doubtful in normal-sized homes.
:-) ... simply pointed out that 2 or 3 speakers won't quite do it for people who want an immersive experience.
That said, I never advocated 13.1
Uneducated and a racist to boot.
Do you know how sound reflects? If not, go say something in a 'dead' room with no echos. You'll understand that you do in fact hear things from multiple directions because it sounds *wrong* to talk to someone without the reflections off the walls you can see.
If in fact you didn't perceive directional sound, stereo speakers would be placed on either side of the head like headphones.
Moving the speakers forward and behind you, etc. actually changes the sound, proving that the extra speaker positions fill in a gap.
When you're watching a movie with people moving through the woods and you hear the birds and bush moving around you in 3D and the dialog coming from the screen where you expect it (because of the centre channel) and the overpass of the rescue plane actually goes from in front of you to behind you, you can't say it sounds better on 2 speakers without realizing its just preference.
I said no such thing, nor did I insinuate it. Nor, in fact, did the original speaker.
Please take a good logic/grammar course.
That said, another responder pointed out that I was wrong in my characterization of the comment -- gamers do in fact now have a choice, whereas they did not before.
That's not true and any audio engineer knows it.
Accurate 360 degree reproduction of sound requires at least 5 or 6 speakers at semi-equal dispertions around you, with one centered directly in front and preferably one directly behind, at equal distances from the listener.
Its been tested over and over.
That doesn't account for overhead or under-foot sound either, or the fact that seperate sub-woofers should be used for low-frequencies.
Personally speaking, I wish I had the additional center-stereo channels to bring dialog closer to the screen as done in some theatre recordings instead of my 5.1 system since my front stereos are quite far apart (to allow for proper seperation for all in the room). The center is useful here, but the additional inside-stereo speakers would help.
The purpose of the hashes used in the .torrent file (the only portion relevant to the Copyright on the original) is only to validate that the file is an accurate reproduction.
Just a side issue for your "purpose and character" comment.
Interesting comment, despite being somewhat silly.
If I took your good stereo hookup and added the 3.1 required to make it 5.1 and matched your existing stereo configuration, would it sound better?
Yes.
If you're accustomed to the sound of stereo, 5.1 or 7.1 or 9.2 will sound "different" to you. If you're under 30 and haven't been HiFi'ing it with stereo for the last 20+ years, you'll probably enjoy a good 5.1 system much better than a good stereo system.
Center channel for better sound stage, rears and sides for better fill and echo reproduction, and it sounds much better.
That said, a lot of recordings are *designed* for at least surround, if not ProLogic II (6.1 basically) in their stereo encodings and therefore sound *more* accurate on a 6.1 system.
I'm assuming that AMD is frustrated that having a superior chip and good manufacturing processes, they can't get a leg up on Intel when they talk to major distributors/OEMs because Intel has them on lock-in deals.
Your comment is illogical. The marketing comment was in fact valid.
I read both statements a few times before bothering to say this, but don't decide its babble just because it came from marketing.
The statement from Kevin should probably be broken down grammatically and semantically into "People who want the (fun|stable|non-MS) operating system that is Linux but also want to play games (primarily released for Windows) won't have to choose between the two anymore since they can now have their cake and eat it too -- their Windows games will run on Linux."
If we took your comment at face value, what you're saying is "there's no reason to choose Linux." which is in fact flamebait.
Aside from the obvious flambebaitness of your comment, you're right.
Making most games work with Cedega is dead simple if you use Point2Play (recommended by Transgaming unless you "know what you're doing").
Most every game I've tried on the supported list has worked the first time.
Please remember what you're talking about here -- a few, maybe 20 SHA hashes of chunks of a Copyright work. The original might be 1.2GB and the SHA hashes thereof a hundred KB. This is so negligable as to fall under 'fair use' for sampling (use of a very small part of a Copyrighted work to reference said work is perfectly legal in most countries.
The source is always the best place to go for information. AMD's page, above, has various links and pages of information on how and why they're creating this new plant and what the details of its operation are.
Derived works are in fact *not* under the same purview as the originals, but that's beside the point.
A representative fingerprint of the blocks of the original work has not been deemed a Copyright issue yet, despite its use in multiple protocols and digital signature systems.
I hope this doesn't burst your bubble, but I've been using mplayer and vlc with my browser for *years* now on my home Linux box.
VLC is a well-established project.
To clarify: 6 hours of total downtime, from the backhoe doing its duty to figuring out thats where the loss of service was, to driving an hour to the site to splicing the fibre, to service being up and running again.
Granted, an hour would've been nicer.
CAT-5 nothing, try being told by your upstream provider that the main fibre optic trunk lines from Toronto to your town got torn to shreds by a backhoe.
... in less than 6 hours even.
Resplice fibre? Yes they did
How do you think Sony makes all the licensing money? By selling the platform rights for games/movies. How do you think they do that? By showing that their users probably won't pirate the media in question.
Actually, the numbers I've seen are that child molestors repeat less often than other types of offenders (theft, for example).
That said, child molesting is (deservedly, I'd say) categorized as a very heinous crime in most places. As such, child molestors get the short end of the proverbial stick (excuse the pun) when it comes to "serving their time".
I'd also like to point out that "sex offender" (the term usually coined) equally applies to the 19 yr old and her 16 yr old boyfriend as it does to the 52 yr old pervert and the 21 yr old college student.
Categorization would be nice.
"Do it yourself" will be the downfall of modern society.
We have societies so that we can all benefit from each other.
How would my doctor be able to fix my heart if the technicien told him to build the equipment himself?
We either do our jobs to the best of our abilities to the betterment of society, or we mooch. Pick one. Mathematically speaking, we'll all be better off if we pick the first.
Well, now I feel better about my own loserdom :-))
Every now and then I look at those embeddable Pentium-based SoCs and think about how many I could fit into a box ... clustering on the cheap.
... lots of 486s"
More fun would be the 150MHz 486 systems I've seen with built-in Ethernet at about 4" by 3". A whole whack of those next to each other on their sides, blade-style, attached to a good network switch would be a lot of fun.
"Nice system, what's it run on?"
"486s
Its not the government, its your government -- and don't forget to call them up and remind them.
The *default* button should always be the one that continues to the next step.
Going back is a non-default action. ESC fills that role fine; although unimplemented.
I agree with you, but yet disagree.
I bought all the Alias DVDs because I loved the show. I want it to be produced next season again, and again. I'm voting with my dollars, yes.
I also download the shows I've missed online, long before the DVDs become available.
Showing friends the DVDs, they've bought copies of the show as well.
I want the MPAA and RIAA and other four-letter acronyms to understand that I am a consumer, I will buy product I like and expect the right to share it with friends or have friends share it with me, to their benefit or not.