you mean they aren't paying the price of the retail box, i certainly hope not. but i'd be shocked if it was only $15usd.
but it's still not cheaper then $0!!!
15$ what planet are you from?
even if that were the case it's still $15 vs $0 if a supplier preloaded linux. thats in cost to the supplier for the software that doesn't need to be passed on to the consumer.
no i think this is big news. the file selector is a very important interface in any gui, and the fact that gnomes sucked hard, but now looks 1/2 as good as kde's is important. it gives people a chance to comment and to make useful suggestions
you could also try posting a gif of you email address, only work in some cases but it's not a bad option, 100% that spammers won't harvest it off webpages.
i use it on production machines, never had a problem. one of those machines it curently over 400 days uptime, and it does 10,000's of file copies everyday.
most of my other machines are between 200 - 365 days up time as well, again never had a problem and this is on 2nd hand hardware.
kind of speaks for itself really.
err yes, i work in an office which churns out 2000+ pages a day, and if you have no idea what hylafax or whfc is, try using google you'll get a ton of links.
hylafax is the name of an enterprise class fax server for linux, whfc is suprise suprise... the name of a windows client for hylafax "windows" "hyla""fax" "client". so you my friend are the one who is way out, not me. instead of printing then faxing, just fax documents. every office still needs a fax, but it's use is rapidly declining.
has no one here ever used hylafax and whfc ? they are a pure joy to use and 100% reliable, much easier and less time consuming then printing out a document then faxing it. just click print, select your number from an address book and forget about it. i mean for most faxes, who keeps paper documents any more except really small offices?
how do you get a direct connection between machines on the other side of the country? it still has to pass through many different networks, all of them possibly compromised.... fax is NOT secure in any way
yes becuase to make a "desktop" cpu they put a different kind of special pixie dust in it... what bollocks, server/desktop labels are marketing terms so dumb CIO's can spout them to purchasing officers. give it a year and so called desktop cpu's will have the same specs as "server" cpu's had last year.
notice how all the moronic posts saying BSD is dead come from anonymous posters, in other words people who don't have a pair and don't have any real arguement.
take a look at netcraft you bozos and see if bsd is dieing.
I use bsd, it's got a much more coherent design then linux and it's documentation is much much better. It's multimedia isn't quiet as good as linux yet but that hasn't been as much of a focus as for linux.
In short if you think BSD is old hat and dieing your an idiot, nuff said.
would be to have a nightly build which gets encrypted and uploaded to the client ftp site, or site of their choosing. then if the supplier goes bust have instructions to release the passphrase to each client so they can unlock the code they paid for. this way you can be sure the code thats released to you under the escrow agreement is 1. working 2. is up to date 3. no middle man (cheaper)
i cannot believe that was modded insightful
your talking about physical security while this whole thread is about software security. completely off topic.
passwords are used to seperate user's from parts of the system which can be exploited, and anyone who thinks this is not need is well.. to be honest stupid. If you think security experts are being over zealous, you obviously have not experienced the great wave of email viruses that floods the internet regularly. this would not be the case with unix systems as you can't steathly install an smtp engine on a unix system. becuase it would require a password.
if anything we are not being zealous ENOUGH.
vmware isn't an emulator, it's a virtual machine, you could run anything under your vmware not just windows.
and microsoft uses closed source, which patent holders use to protect their oh so orginal ideas. the problem is that the patent system is abused in this way to stifle competetion, and even you must admit that some of the software patents being granted are idiotic. i have no problem with a company patenting some new idea they have spent millions developing, but it must be just that, a new idea/method and it MUST be very specific and must not hamper other companies already working in the same field. one company closing down 5 others is NOT good for anyone.
who's the troll?
1.yes linux has vunerabilities, but how many have been exploitable to the extend of the windows holes? ahh silence...
2. which windows emulator costs $300???
3. i plug in my camera's usb... it works perfectly i didn't touch a thing, well except to browse my photos of course. the windows software that came with my camera is utter crap and doesn't work 1/2 as well.
4. there is plently of professional usage of linux outside of servers, your talking to one right now, and when was the last time you tried linux' printing abilities, they are excellent.
5. yes windows is hard to understand becuase it's closed source and poorly documented.
6. used K3b? it's easily as good as any win based cd recorder.
7. lets have a race, you install, configure and setup a mailserver/dns/fileserver/ftp server on win2003 and i'll do it on mandrake 9.2. i'll beat your ass becuase i have done both and mandrake takes 1/2 the time.
8. terminal services? x11 is built on a client server model from the ground up, unlike "terminal services which is tacked on, and thats not even getting into the horrendous cost of ms....
however some of your other points i agree with.. ( i am ignoring the obvious troll comments )video, games and multimedia are not as mature on linux. but this is hardly the fault of linux distro's as these technologies are held back by patents and copyright holders who don't have a clue. microsoft had better be careful or they will shut themselfs out and end up as the sad and lonely one looking in.
forget the programmers, until general knowledge of computers improve and stuborn idoits don't need to have things like " why do i need a password to run a program on MY OWN computer" explained the state of computer security will not improve.
I must admit i am disapointed with kde 3.1.4's speed... until i compared it to win2k on the same system.
when comparing it to gnome i have one real problem with GTK apps and gnome in general - the file selection menu. it sucks. it's got win 3.11 functionality, am i the only person to notice this fact? i mean come on, it doesn't remmeber my previous directories or show more then a small part of the file name, it an ugly and ungainly looking thing.
here in OZ you'll never get a job as even a coder without a degree. How can you call a job requiring a degree low/unskilled?
As for project managers.... how on earth will they co-ordinate a bunch of curry munchers who can't speak english hardly at all?
Ever called american express's card line if your an aussie customer? you get to know exactly what outsourcing so called low level work means to you the CUSTOMER....
If that experience was anything to go buy, i sudder to think what it would be like getting something as complex as a major IT project completed would be like, just getting them to take my name correctly was a task!
personally i won't be losing sleep over companies that make annoying ads making less money, and less people being brain washed into buying crap they don't need.
Face it, there are plenty of companies out there with an intrest in keeping *BSD rolling becuase it has been/is such a wealth of inovative code (network stack anyone). Freebsd is NOT slower the any linux distro out there to pimps. far quicker then many bloated distro's.
there is only one rule you need to make and that is that you will not allow them to meet anyone from the internet unless you meet them first. you can't/shouldn't invade their privacy or stop them finding a bit of porn, but at the ages you are talking about they are still relying on you for money/ transportation so play that as your trump card.
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i agree totally... but lets not kid ourselfs about kazza, it's mostly illegal shit thats get traded :)
you mean they aren't paying the price of the retail box, i certainly hope not. but i'd be shocked if it was only $15usd. but it's still not cheaper then $0!!!
15$ what planet are you from? even if that were the case it's still $15 vs $0 if a supplier preloaded linux. thats in cost to the supplier for the software that doesn't need to be passed on to the consumer.
no i think this is big news. the file selector is a very important interface in any gui, and the fact that gnomes sucked hard, but now looks 1/2 as good as kde's is important. it gives people a chance to comment and to make useful suggestions
you could also try posting a gif of you email address, only work in some cases but it's not a bad option, 100% that spammers won't harvest it off webpages.
maybe this could be a good niche distro, a linux compatablity cd which does nothing except test a pc for compatablity with linux.
i use it on production machines, never had a problem. one of those machines it curently over 400 days uptime, and it does 10,000's of file copies everyday. most of my other machines are between 200 - 365 days up time as well, again never had a problem and this is on 2nd hand hardware. kind of speaks for itself really.
err yes, i work in an office which churns out 2000+ pages a day, and if you have no idea what hylafax or whfc is, try using google you'll get a ton of links. hylafax is the name of an enterprise class fax server for linux, whfc is suprise suprise... the name of a windows client for hylafax "windows" "hyla""fax" "client". so you my friend are the one who is way out, not me. instead of printing then faxing, just fax documents. every office still needs a fax, but it's use is rapidly declining.
has no one here ever used hylafax and whfc ? they are a pure joy to use and 100% reliable, much easier and less time consuming then printing out a document then faxing it. just click print, select your number from an address book and forget about it. i mean for most faxes, who keeps paper documents any more except really small offices?
how do you get a direct connection between machines on the other side of the country? it still has to pass through many different networks, all of them possibly compromised.... fax is NOT secure in any way
yes becuase to make a "desktop" cpu they put a different kind of special pixie dust in it... what bollocks, server/desktop labels are marketing terms so dumb CIO's can spout them to purchasing officers. give it a year and so called desktop cpu's will have the same specs as "server" cpu's had last year.
notice how all the moronic posts saying BSD is dead come from anonymous posters, in other words people who don't have a pair and don't have any real arguement. take a look at netcraft you bozos and see if bsd is dieing. I use bsd, it's got a much more coherent design then linux and it's documentation is much much better. It's multimedia isn't quiet as good as linux yet but that hasn't been as much of a focus as for linux. In short if you think BSD is old hat and dieing your an idiot, nuff said.
You sir, are a N00B
would be to have a nightly build which gets encrypted and uploaded to the client ftp site, or site of their choosing. then if the supplier goes bust have instructions to release the passphrase to each client so they can unlock the code they paid for. this way you can be sure the code thats released to you under the escrow agreement is 1. working 2. is up to date 3. no middle man (cheaper)
i cannot believe that was modded insightful your talking about physical security while this whole thread is about software security. completely off topic. passwords are used to seperate user's from parts of the system which can be exploited, and anyone who thinks this is not need is well.. to be honest stupid. If you think security experts are being over zealous, you obviously have not experienced the great wave of email viruses that floods the internet regularly. this would not be the case with unix systems as you can't steathly install an smtp engine on a unix system. becuase it would require a password. if anything we are not being zealous ENOUGH.
vmware isn't an emulator, it's a virtual machine, you could run anything under your vmware not just windows. and microsoft uses closed source, which patent holders use to protect their oh so orginal ideas. the problem is that the patent system is abused in this way to stifle competetion, and even you must admit that some of the software patents being granted are idiotic. i have no problem with a company patenting some new idea they have spent millions developing, but it must be just that, a new idea/method and it MUST be very specific and must not hamper other companies already working in the same field. one company closing down 5 others is NOT good for anyone.
who's the troll? 1.yes linux has vunerabilities, but how many have been exploitable to the extend of the windows holes? ahh silence... 2. which windows emulator costs $300??? 3. i plug in my camera's usb... it works perfectly i didn't touch a thing, well except to browse my photos of course. the windows software that came with my camera is utter crap and doesn't work 1/2 as well. 4. there is plently of professional usage of linux outside of servers, your talking to one right now, and when was the last time you tried linux' printing abilities, they are excellent. 5. yes windows is hard to understand becuase it's closed source and poorly documented. 6. used K3b? it's easily as good as any win based cd recorder. 7. lets have a race, you install, configure and setup a mailserver/dns/fileserver/ftp server on win2003 and i'll do it on mandrake 9.2. i'll beat your ass becuase i have done both and mandrake takes 1/2 the time. 8. terminal services? x11 is built on a client server model from the ground up, unlike "terminal services which is tacked on, and thats not even getting into the horrendous cost of ms.... however some of your other points i agree with.. ( i am ignoring the obvious troll comments )video, games and multimedia are not as mature on linux. but this is hardly the fault of linux distro's as these technologies are held back by patents and copyright holders who don't have a clue. microsoft had better be careful or they will shut themselfs out and end up as the sad and lonely one looking in.
forget the programmers, until general knowledge of computers improve and stuborn idoits don't need to have things like " why do i need a password to run a program on MY OWN computer" explained the state of computer security will not improve.
I must admit i am disapointed with kde 3.1.4's speed... until i compared it to win2k on the same system. when comparing it to gnome i have one real problem with GTK apps and gnome in general - the file selection menu. it sucks. it's got win 3.11 functionality, am i the only person to notice this fact? i mean come on, it doesn't remmeber my previous directories or show more then a small part of the file name, it an ugly and ungainly looking thing.
how many newbie users actually install window themselfs? if linux/OO came pre installed it would be just as easy to use, if not more so.
here in OZ you'll never get a job as even a coder without a degree. How can you call a job requiring a degree low/unskilled? As for project managers.... how on earth will they co-ordinate a bunch of curry munchers who can't speak english hardly at all?
Ever called american express's card line if your an aussie customer? you get to know exactly what outsourcing so called low level work means to you the CUSTOMER.... If that experience was anything to go buy, i sudder to think what it would be like getting something as complex as a major IT project completed would be like, just getting them to take my name correctly was a task!
personally i won't be losing sleep over companies that make annoying ads making less money, and less people being brain washed into buying crap they don't need.
Face it, there are plenty of companies out there with an intrest in keeping *BSD rolling becuase it has been/is such a wealth of inovative code (network stack anyone).
Freebsd is NOT slower the any linux distro out there to pimps. far quicker then many bloated distro's.
there is only one rule you need to make and that is that you will not allow them to meet anyone from the internet unless you meet them first.
you can't/shouldn't invade their privacy or stop them finding a bit of porn, but at the ages you are talking about they are still relying on you for money/ transportation so play that as your trump card.