Because counting pack in game is like like saying Nintendo sells more console power supplies than anyone else. I don't see how you can't understand that. As for the 720p issue I don't know what planet you live on, but that's what most HDTVs do. Some have 1080i like mine does, but there is no way I'd play with that res and 1080p is not that common and isn't a broadcast standard yet. There is not a damn thing wrong with 720p and it's ironic you'd criticize that considering that the Wii can't even do HD.
In the end you are the fringe as am I. You can't judge the status of the console world from your habits. Joe Average is not going to buy anywhere near what you do and Joe Average is the guy the is buying the Wii in record amounts.
Counting pack in games is ridiculous and it's part of the reason VG Chartz is a joke like I said. From your other posts it's pretty obvious you are a huge Nintendo fan and a 360 hater so this argument is going to go nowhere. Like I said elsewhere for a 3rd party dev the Wii is attractive because of it's install base, but that is tempered by the fact that the majority of Wii owners don't seem to buy that many games and that 3rd party games don't sell nearly as well as the first party games. Add the fact that you have to spend time and money making Wii-centric controls and resources and it loses some of it's luster. It's not a bad platform and it is selling like gang busters, but my original post still stands.
It comes down to preference obviously. Some people are going to like PC, some Wii, some 360 and some PS3. Each console has it's strengths and weaknesses regardless of fanboys assertions that their console is perfect in every way. I mean look at the PS3, it's got killer powerful hardware, but just isn't selling because of the lack of killer titles.
That's the theory, but third party devs are looking at it seriously. I am part of a start up and we are looking at the Wii, but the lack of portability and the poor sales for third party games is a huge check in the minus column for us.
Also, if you think you are a typical gamer with that many titles then you are truly out of touch with what a typical gamers is. You would easily fall under the hardcore category. Mainstream, in other words the majority of, gamers do not own dozens of games. People that do are the exception. I have hundreds of games if you count PC, Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, DS, etc. but I don't consider myself a typical gamer by any stretch.
I was super pumped about getting one when they first came out and then I played my friend's. After that I started to cool and even more so after I saw the release lists. I think I'll wait until next summer and grab one when they are easy to get and the really good games (which are still too few IMO) are value priced. It's not like there is a shortage of fun games to play on other platforms these days.
Also, the fact that they include a pack-in game with those figures makes it even more ridiculous. I know there are going to be rabid Wii defenders that will attack me here, but I am not just trolling. It's a fact that despite the install base the Wii doesn't sell that many games, especially third party. This should come as no surprise though as first party is where Nintendo shines.
VG Chartz is a joke, no one in the industry takes them seriously. I am talking about North America and referring to NPD number which get leaked on a pretty regular basis. It's well known that the Wii has a low attach rate, especially compared to the 360. The DS does well, but that's in a different class.
Because their attach rate is the lowest again, just like the Gamecube. It seems a lot of people are buying as a Wii Sports machine. There are some great games, but obviously something isn't clicking when you look at the number of Wiis sold and compare the software sales charts.
... this is going to get modded down, but seriously this is really scraping the bottom. Will Slashdot post an anti-Microsoft article even if it's a speculative pile of crap? Articles like this are not funny, informative, or insightful in any way. Please if you want humour around here post something that is actually funny.
"last few years" that's really definite. How about looking at market cap as well? It's easy to find stats that out of context support any assertion. As long as Microsoft owns the corporate market Apple will always play second fiddle.
Total failure? That's funny it sold incredibly well last generation considering it was their first console product and the 360 is selling very well too despite the RROD problems. Also, I love how people always fall back on bitching about Live. Well my friend if you ever decide to stop being ignorant and actually comparing the console online offerings you'd see how much better Live is than the other 2 combined. Also, you can't compare this to the PC world where everyone expects things for free. Even if you did there still is no unified, easy to use and solid system on the PC that comes close to Live. You can cobble together different products from different vendors, but nothing that offers everything Live does.
Awesome, more made up internet statistics. Got some data to back up your assertions or is this just your "experience"? And FYI you are full of it when you say most people bought a 360 for Halo 3. Right now the 360 has the largest and best selection of games this generation. There are a lot of reasons to buy a 360 beyond Halo 3, but don't let your mindless Microsoft bashing get in the way of looking at what is actually happening in the market.
Sony innovates? Please. They are just as much about money and power as Microsoft is and talk about closed formats. Need we mention Beta, Minidisc, Memory Stick, etc? Sony also owns movie studios, so if you want to talk about any company having too much way I'd say Sony is right up there. Look at the PS3, it's a powerful machine, but once again Sony's arrogance bit them in the ass. Poor dev tools and a high price tag has relegated them to third place this generation and I don't see them catching up.
Full of ads... Well, of course it is. This is a commercial venture, not some Creative Commons project. TV programs have to be paid for and if they offer the content free how do you expect them to fund the programming? Sometimes the sense of entitlement people on the net have is just astounding.
Agreed. Google is the new Apple and anything they do is newsworthy apparently. I've done sound design for 10 years now and sounds usually get lumped in with music and VO if they get mentioned at all. Yeah, I'm a little bitter, but this sound isn't ground breaking or even all that interesting IMO.
Like I said, Apple has been in schools for YEARS. In fact they have been the dominant PC in many educational institutions for a long time. Hasn't really helped much now has it? Academia and business don't always have the same ends in mind. For example, I work in video games. Lots of universities, art schools, colleges use Macs, but when it comes to game development (Mac games being the obvious exception) most of the tools we use are Windows PC bsaed.
I am confused as to how this matters Apple has always done well in academia, but that has yet to translate into any major inroads in the business world. Sure Mac sales are up overall these days, ironically after they became able to run Windows, but you still aren't going to have a majority market share with how entrenched Windows is unless there is some kind of major IT shake up. From the BBC's perspective they are going to put the most money into the biggest market share and that makes sense. It's the same reason not many games get ported to the Mac or Linux, it's just not worth the sales regardless of the warm fuzzy feelings.
You are obviously oblivious to the number of unique players playing Halo 2 and now Halo 3. Word of mouth alone will continue to drive sales. Halo 2 sold incredibly well and so will Halo 3, but your Mario colored glasses won't allow you to conceded that Halo 3 is a hit and will continue to have brisk sales for quite some time as Halo 2 did. And please don't try to argue that Halo 2 number will impede Halo 3 sales because most of those people that were hardcore fans have already transitioned to a 360 and now Halo 3.
Don't know where you are getting your data, but in North America the attach rate for the Wii is much lower than that. The last numbers I saw was around 3 for the Wii and close to 6 for the 360.
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Because counting pack in game is like like saying Nintendo sells more console power supplies than anyone else. I don't see how you can't understand that. As for the 720p issue I don't know what planet you live on, but that's what most HDTVs do. Some have 1080i like mine does, but there is no way I'd play with that res and 1080p is not that common and isn't a broadcast standard yet. There is not a damn thing wrong with 720p and it's ironic you'd criticize that considering that the Wii can't even do HD.
In the end you are the fringe as am I. You can't judge the status of the console world from your habits. Joe Average is not going to buy anywhere near what you do and Joe Average is the guy the is buying the Wii in record amounts.
Counting pack in games is ridiculous and it's part of the reason VG Chartz is a joke like I said. From your other posts it's pretty obvious you are a huge Nintendo fan and a 360 hater so this argument is going to go nowhere. Like I said elsewhere for a 3rd party dev the Wii is attractive because of it's install base, but that is tempered by the fact that the majority of Wii owners don't seem to buy that many games and that 3rd party games don't sell nearly as well as the first party games. Add the fact that you have to spend time and money making Wii-centric controls and resources and it loses some of it's luster. It's not a bad platform and it is selling like gang busters, but my original post still stands.
It comes down to preference obviously. Some people are going to like PC, some Wii, some 360 and some PS3. Each console has it's strengths and weaknesses regardless of fanboys assertions that their console is perfect in every way. I mean look at the PS3, it's got killer powerful hardware, but just isn't selling because of the lack of killer titles.
No, time isn't factored in, but at some point it doesn't matter. Even at 1 year out the 360 still had a higher attach rate than the Wii or PS3.
That's the theory, but third party devs are looking at it seriously. I am part of a start up and we are looking at the Wii, but the lack of portability and the poor sales for third party games is a huge check in the minus column for us.
Also, if you think you are a typical gamer with that many titles then you are truly out of touch with what a typical gamers is. You would easily fall under the hardcore category. Mainstream, in other words the majority of, gamers do not own dozens of games. People that do are the exception. I have hundreds of games if you count PC, Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, DS, etc. but I don't consider myself a typical gamer by any stretch.
A 5 second Google search turned up this - http://news.filefront.com/xbox-360-sells-more-games-per-system-wii-and-ps3-similar/ but I guess that might be too much work to look up.
I was super pumped about getting one when they first came out and then I played my friend's. After that I started to cool and even more so after I saw the release lists. I think I'll wait until next summer and grab one when they are easy to get and the really good games (which are still too few IMO) are value priced. It's not like there is a shortage of fun games to play on other platforms these days.
Also, the fact that they include a pack-in game with those figures makes it even more ridiculous. I know there are going to be rabid Wii defenders that will attack me here, but I am not just trolling. It's a fact that despite the install base the Wii doesn't sell that many games, especially third party. This should come as no surprise though as first party is where Nintendo shines.
VG Chartz is a joke, no one in the industry takes them seriously. I am talking about North America and referring to NPD number which get leaked on a pretty regular basis. It's well known that the Wii has a low attach rate, especially compared to the 360. The DS does well, but that's in a different class.
Because their attach rate is the lowest again, just like the Gamecube. It seems a lot of people are buying as a Wii Sports machine. There are some great games, but obviously something isn't clicking when you look at the number of Wiis sold and compare the software sales charts.
However parodies are usually funny in some way, unlike this. As others stated the iPod parody is WAY more humorous.
... this is going to get modded down, but seriously this is really scraping the bottom. Will Slashdot post an anti-Microsoft article even if it's a speculative pile of crap? Articles like this are not funny, informative, or insightful in any way. Please if you want humour around here post something that is actually funny.
"last few years" that's really definite. How about looking at market cap as well? It's easy to find stats that out of context support any assertion. As long as Microsoft owns the corporate market Apple will always play second fiddle.
Total failure? That's funny it sold incredibly well last generation considering it was their first console product and the 360 is selling very well too despite the RROD problems. Also, I love how people always fall back on bitching about Live. Well my friend if you ever decide to stop being ignorant and actually comparing the console online offerings you'd see how much better Live is than the other 2 combined. Also, you can't compare this to the PC world where everyone expects things for free. Even if you did there still is no unified, easy to use and solid system on the PC that comes close to Live. You can cobble together different products from different vendors, but nothing that offers everything Live does.
Awesome, more made up internet statistics. Got some data to back up your assertions or is this just your "experience"? And FYI you are full of it when you say most people bought a 360 for Halo 3. Right now the 360 has the largest and best selection of games this generation. There are a lot of reasons to buy a 360 beyond Halo 3, but don't let your mindless Microsoft bashing get in the way of looking at what is actually happening in the market.
And I would not want to live in a world dominated by Steve "I know best" Jobs.
Sony innovates? Please. They are just as much about money and power as Microsoft is and talk about closed formats. Need we mention Beta, Minidisc, Memory Stick, etc? Sony also owns movie studios, so if you want to talk about any company having too much way I'd say Sony is right up there. Look at the PS3, it's a powerful machine, but once again Sony's arrogance bit them in the ass. Poor dev tools and a high price tag has relegated them to third place this generation and I don't see them catching up.
Full of ads... Well, of course it is. This is a commercial venture, not some Creative Commons project. TV programs have to be paid for and if they offer the content free how do you expect them to fund the programming? Sometimes the sense of entitlement people on the net have is just astounding.
Agreed. Google is the new Apple and anything they do is newsworthy apparently. I've done sound design for 10 years now and sounds usually get lumped in with music and VO if they get mentioned at all. Yeah, I'm a little bitter, but this sound isn't ground breaking or even all that interesting IMO.
Like I said, Apple has been in schools for YEARS. In fact they have been the dominant PC in many educational institutions for a long time. Hasn't really helped much now has it? Academia and business don't always have the same ends in mind. For example, I work in video games. Lots of universities, art schools, colleges use Macs, but when it comes to game development (Mac games being the obvious exception) most of the tools we use are Windows PC bsaed.
I am confused as to how this matters Apple has always done well in academia, but that has yet to translate into any major inroads in the business world. Sure Mac sales are up overall these days, ironically after they became able to run Windows, but you still aren't going to have a majority market share with how entrenched Windows is unless there is some kind of major IT shake up. From the BBC's perspective they are going to put the most money into the biggest market share and that makes sense. It's the same reason not many games get ported to the Mac or Linux, it's just not worth the sales regardless of the warm fuzzy feelings.
You are obviously oblivious to the number of unique players playing Halo 2 and now Halo 3. Word of mouth alone will continue to drive sales. Halo 2 sold incredibly well and so will Halo 3, but your Mario colored glasses won't allow you to conceded that Halo 3 is a hit and will continue to have brisk sales for quite some time as Halo 2 did. And please don't try to argue that Halo 2 number will impede Halo 3 sales because most of those people that were hardcore fans have already transitioned to a 360 and now Halo 3.
Don't know where you are getting your data, but in North America the attach rate for the Wii is much lower than that. The last numbers I saw was around 3 for the Wii and close to 6 for the 360.