Because not everyone has high speed access, there are no real DVD style menus other than Divx for most media formats, not everyone has a PC hooked up to their TV, a media box to record/playback movies from a hard drive is still more expensive than a simple disc player and lastly some people still want a piece of physical merch when they buy a movie.
Because Apple gadgets are hipness indicators and if hipness is down then posers are rudderless and aren't sure what to buy to make them look cool and the economy suffers.
Oh fun... the "my anecdote can beat up your anecdote" thread. Read this for a breakdown of why Beta was technically superior - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war . In fact Betacam is a pro version that is still in use today. The way the tape loads in a Beta is better than VHS. As for shoes, I'd say if you pulled 100 people off the street and asked them if they'd by Nike of some obscure brand that serious runners wear, want to bet they'd take Nike? And if they were branded with a celeb or pro athlete's names it would be doubly true. If you don't think marketing is a powerful force you are pretty ignorant and naiive. Yeah, not much point in going further with this.
VHS and shoes are a perfect example of marketing outweighing superior quality. People will pay outrageous amounts for celebrity branded shoes regardless of the quality. I can cite tons of examples of marketing winning over substance, but there is no point because it will just go in anecdotal circles.
Why would it be illegal? Go ahead and buy a BR player today and then wait until next year when they release interactive extras and picture-in-picture commentary and tell me how inferior HD-DVD is. Also, you are smoking some serious crack if you think the PS3 blip is anything more then a temporary surge because they are clearing out 60GB units. Then again, this is Slashdot so anything you can say against MS is a good thing.
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And you've played the latest builds and given them your valued feedback of course... please don't post about your imaginary trips to Bungie.
I disagree and for the sole reason that marketing can overcome a product deficit. People will buy and in fact pay a premium for an equal or even inferior product if it is marketed correctly. The right celeb endorsement will sell an adequate shoe far quicker and for more money than a quality show with no endorsement or proper "lifestyle" marketing. Human nature can be used to manipulate just as much as quality. This is also part of the capitalist system.
No, it's not. People add on all kinds of secondary ideas to capitalism, but all it really means is a system where private individuals or corporations invest and control their wealth. All this talk about "the best" is merely asserting that the best product will always win and that's not always true. Beta was better than VHS, but people that made VHS were more savvy and won. In a capitalist system, the product that "wins" is one that fills a need or is perceived to fill a need at a price that people are willing to pay.
Unlike Blu Ray which still hasn't shipped a final BR player with an interactive spec. People buying BR players today are going to be hooped for that content in the future. How much do people want to bet that the sales teams at Target are not telling customers that.
You mean like videogame companies paying for exclusives to shut each other out? It's business. My biggest issue with Blu Ray is that the spec isn't even finalized. Unless you buy a PS3 there is a good chance buying a BR player might leave you in the lurch when new interactive features come out. For instance HD-DVD players have 2 video decoders and not all BR players do, so no pic-in-pic extras a la 300 for people that bought BR early.
Huh? Since when does this violate the ideals of capitalism? Capitalism has nothing to do with the "best ideas rising to the top" unless you are ascribing some sort of Randian idealism. What is happening here is pure capitalism. People with wealth are using it to further their own agenda, which ultimately they hope will generate a suitable return.
Let's drag out all of Sony and friends general ledgers and see how much "promotional consideration" Target and Blockbuster got. I really don't get why people are making a big deal about a company making promotional deals. Let's be serious, these days $150 million is about enough to cover one big budget movie.
Technical limitations? Please, give it a rest. How is turning off my computer at night a "technical limitation"? I've tried Audacity and Cinelerra and while they aren't bad they are no where near the pro level in terms of features, plug-in support, and hardware support. Really, you don't know what you are talking about in terms of media production.
Whatever. Obviously you aren't rational about this. I reboot when I install driver updates, but other than that the apps I use 90% of the time are SF, Vegas and Pro Tools and they are solid. In other words they don't crash, even when I push them. I can do 60 tracks of audio with no problems and render HD video with multi-track audio and effects and I don't remember a crash. Do I leave my PC on 100% of the time? No, but that's a personal choice and is more about power consumption than anything. If you can point me in the direction of Linux apps that support all the plug-ins I use and have the same power and polish I'll be more than willing to give them a try. As it stand there isn't anything that matches the applications I mentioned.
I use XP as workhorse OS to do media production including multitrack audio and video editing. It's rock solid for me and if it wasn't I'd move on to something else because my time is money.
Look at the stats, it's not gamers and a "few niche programs" that drive Windows sales. It's business. The defacto standard is Windows and MS Office. That's the way it is now and most business see no advantage to jumping ship because of the investment they already have in Windows networks and applications. It's like how entrenched Apple is in the media business. I am happy that you want the flexibility that Linus offers, but you are a small minority. Most people think of their PC as the same thing as their VCR or stereo, they don't care how, they just want it to work. Also, it takes a very small effort to install a couple apps that will take care of malware and viruses, it's just that a lot of people don't. Windows is an easy and popular target. You can guarantee that as Linux gets more popular there will be people out there looking for exploits in that OS as well. If I need to get over my OS sucking people like you need to get over the fact that Linux is not the only answer and it's not ready for mass consumption.
Funny, I don't remember the last time I had a serious Windows crash and I haven't seen a BSOD in years. XP is stable enough for me and you can't blame the OS for poorly written apps that crash. If you think that Macs don't crash you are living in a bubble. My buddy just had to reinstall OSX and Pro Tools again last week because it was going wonky. That's all he has on the box because he wants to keep it a pure DAW and after a year he had to reinstall. Another friend of mine is a total Mac fanatic and he does casual support as a side job for Mac users. He's busy enough that he is considering quitting his day job and doing it full time. Every OS has problems. Your assertion that XP crashing several times a week is as disingenuous as you accuse me of being. As for Linux I haven't used it since last year. I installed Ubunutu on 2 PCs. I worked great and the other was a nightmare. I gave up after doing research for 3 days to try to get the sound working on a bog standard Asus mobo with built-in sound and NIC. The irony is that it worked just fine in Windows XP.
It is true. Take me for instance. I do media work with audio and video and there just aren't any Linux apps that come close to the polish and support of the commercial apps I use like Sound Forge, Vegas and Pro Tools. Sure, there are high end custom apps built for Linux at major studios, but that's another step up in the media business and the apps are supported right on site.
Wow, a pretty aggressive reaction for a non-zealot. And I didn't say all Linux users now did I? I said some and I meant some. And what I said was true, like it or not the average computer user does not want to edit a text config to make their PC work. I am sorry that you can't understand English.
Thanks for making my point. It's good to see that the attitude is alive and well here on Slashdot. Sometimes I think that a lot of the hostility here is just posturing against the "norm". You know, like college students that go around telling everyone how hip they are because they don't watch TV or listen to "commercial" music. Is Windows the BESTOSEVAROMG!!! ? No, it's not. But it does what I need it to do with a little effort and it is supported by pretty well every hardware maker out there. I am not saying Linux is bad, it's just not ready for primetime. Any time a user needs to compile or mess with a text file you've moved out of the mainstream and the average Joe isn't going to want to do anything like that. Other people in this topic have said as much as well.
You guys are hilarious. I have spurned the great and holy Linux, so this is flamebait. This is exactly the attitude I was talking about. Thanks for making my point.
Ahh, the cries of a zealot. Got to love the mature nomenclature "windoze" and "M$". Then people like you wonder why Windows users feel hostility and are very hesitant to want to even try Linux. As bad as Windows is, it works. Linux, yes even your great Ubunutu, still has a long ways to go. Even if you want mom and pop to switch over they are still going to have to deal with compatibility issues with documents and media formats. Ubunutu and distros like go a long way towards usability, but they aren't good enough for mass acceptance by a Windows user base. I mean when everything goes right with Linux it's great, but when things go wrong it's a nightmare for casual users.
When I was playing around with Ubunutu last year I checked out a few sites and messageboards and found that even though there was helpful information out there it was often way too technical for people like my parents or neighbors. I also noticed that there is still an air of arrogance and hostility amongst some Linux supporters towards people that are inexperienced with Linux and/or are coming from a Windows background. As someone mentioned to me, just because you can make things work in Linux doesn't mean it's usable by most PC owners out there. In a few years, like it or not, there will still be more Vista users than Linux out there because of the Windows legacy and the large commercial support base.
I just use what works, involves the least amount effort on my part and is the most readily available. For video/audio production on a small scale right now that isn't Linux or any other OSS solution. At this point in time it's Mac and Windows that fit the bill. If Linux ever gets to that point I'll consider it seriously, but every time I put my toe into the water Linux is still lagging in terms of the applications I need and their maturity. Sure, there are Linux video and audio editing applications out there in the OSS/Linux world, but they aren't anywhere near the polish and maturity as commercial apps on OSX and Windows.
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Because not everyone has high speed access, there are no real DVD style menus other than Divx for most media formats, not everyone has a PC hooked up to their TV, a media box to record/playback movies from a hard drive is still more expensive than a simple disc player and lastly some people still want a piece of physical merch when they buy a movie.
Wow, some people are so touchy. Grow a sense of humor.
Because Apple gadgets are hipness indicators and if hipness is down then posers are rudderless and aren't sure what to buy to make them look cool and the economy suffers.
Oh fun... the "my anecdote can beat up your anecdote" thread. Read this for a breakdown of why Beta was technically superior - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war . In fact Betacam is a pro version that is still in use today. The way the tape loads in a Beta is better than VHS. As for shoes, I'd say if you pulled 100 people off the street and asked them if they'd by Nike of some obscure brand that serious runners wear, want to bet they'd take Nike? And if they were branded with a celeb or pro athlete's names it would be doubly true. If you don't think marketing is a powerful force you are pretty ignorant and naiive. Yeah, not much point in going further with this.
VHS and shoes are a perfect example of marketing outweighing superior quality. People will pay outrageous amounts for celebrity branded shoes regardless of the quality. I can cite tons of examples of marketing winning over substance, but there is no point because it will just go in anecdotal circles.
Why would it be illegal? Go ahead and buy a BR player today and then wait until next year when they release interactive extras and picture-in-picture commentary and tell me how inferior HD-DVD is. Also, you are smoking some serious crack if you think the PS3 blip is anything more then a temporary surge because they are clearing out 60GB units. Then again, this is Slashdot so anything you can say against MS is a good thing.
And you've played the latest builds and given them your valued feedback of course... please don't post about your imaginary trips to Bungie.
I disagree and for the sole reason that marketing can overcome a product deficit. People will buy and in fact pay a premium for an equal or even inferior product if it is marketed correctly. The right celeb endorsement will sell an adequate shoe far quicker and for more money than a quality show with no endorsement or proper "lifestyle" marketing. Human nature can be used to manipulate just as much as quality. This is also part of the capitalist system.
No, it's not. People add on all kinds of secondary ideas to capitalism, but all it really means is a system where private individuals or corporations invest and control their wealth. All this talk about "the best" is merely asserting that the best product will always win and that's not always true. Beta was better than VHS, but people that made VHS were more savvy and won. In a capitalist system, the product that "wins" is one that fills a need or is perceived to fill a need at a price that people are willing to pay.
Unlike Blu Ray which still hasn't shipped a final BR player with an interactive spec. People buying BR players today are going to be hooped for that content in the future. How much do people want to bet that the sales teams at Target are not telling customers that.
You mean like videogame companies paying for exclusives to shut each other out? It's business. My biggest issue with Blu Ray is that the spec isn't even finalized. Unless you buy a PS3 there is a good chance buying a BR player might leave you in the lurch when new interactive features come out. For instance HD-DVD players have 2 video decoders and not all BR players do, so no pic-in-pic extras a la 300 for people that bought BR early.
Huh? Since when does this violate the ideals of capitalism? Capitalism has nothing to do with the "best ideas rising to the top" unless you are ascribing some sort of Randian idealism. What is happening here is pure capitalism. People with wealth are using it to further their own agenda, which ultimately they hope will generate a suitable return.
Let's drag out all of Sony and friends general ledgers and see how much "promotional consideration" Target and Blockbuster got. I really don't get why people are making a big deal about a company making promotional deals. Let's be serious, these days $150 million is about enough to cover one big budget movie.
Technical limitations? Please, give it a rest. How is turning off my computer at night a "technical limitation"? I've tried Audacity and Cinelerra and while they aren't bad they are no where near the pro level in terms of features, plug-in support, and hardware support. Really, you don't know what you are talking about in terms of media production.
Whatever. Obviously you aren't rational about this. I reboot when I install driver updates, but other than that the apps I use 90% of the time are SF, Vegas and Pro Tools and they are solid. In other words they don't crash, even when I push them. I can do 60 tracks of audio with no problems and render HD video with multi-track audio and effects and I don't remember a crash. Do I leave my PC on 100% of the time? No, but that's a personal choice and is more about power consumption than anything. If you can point me in the direction of Linux apps that support all the plug-ins I use and have the same power and polish I'll be more than willing to give them a try. As it stand there isn't anything that matches the applications I mentioned.
I use XP as workhorse OS to do media production including multitrack audio and video editing. It's rock solid for me and if it wasn't I'd move on to something else because my time is money.
Look at the stats, it's not gamers and a "few niche programs" that drive Windows sales. It's business. The defacto standard is Windows and MS Office. That's the way it is now and most business see no advantage to jumping ship because of the investment they already have in Windows networks and applications. It's like how entrenched Apple is in the media business. I am happy that you want the flexibility that Linus offers, but you are a small minority. Most people think of their PC as the same thing as their VCR or stereo, they don't care how, they just want it to work. Also, it takes a very small effort to install a couple apps that will take care of malware and viruses, it's just that a lot of people don't. Windows is an easy and popular target. You can guarantee that as Linux gets more popular there will be people out there looking for exploits in that OS as well. If I need to get over my OS sucking people like you need to get over the fact that Linux is not the only answer and it's not ready for mass consumption.
Funny, I don't remember the last time I had a serious Windows crash and I haven't seen a BSOD in years. XP is stable enough for me and you can't blame the OS for poorly written apps that crash. If you think that Macs don't crash you are living in a bubble. My buddy just had to reinstall OSX and Pro Tools again last week because it was going wonky. That's all he has on the box because he wants to keep it a pure DAW and after a year he had to reinstall. Another friend of mine is a total Mac fanatic and he does casual support as a side job for Mac users. He's busy enough that he is considering quitting his day job and doing it full time. Every OS has problems. Your assertion that XP crashing several times a week is as disingenuous as you accuse me of being. As for Linux I haven't used it since last year. I installed Ubunutu on 2 PCs. I worked great and the other was a nightmare. I gave up after doing research for 3 days to try to get the sound working on a bog standard Asus mobo with built-in sound and NIC. The irony is that it worked just fine in Windows XP.
It is true. Take me for instance. I do media work with audio and video and there just aren't any Linux apps that come close to the polish and support of the commercial apps I use like Sound Forge, Vegas and Pro Tools. Sure, there are high end custom apps built for Linux at major studios, but that's another step up in the media business and the apps are supported right on site.
Wow, a pretty aggressive reaction for a non-zealot. And I didn't say all Linux users now did I? I said some and I meant some. And what I said was true, like it or not the average computer user does not want to edit a text config to make their PC work. I am sorry that you can't understand English.
Thanks for making my point. It's good to see that the attitude is alive and well here on Slashdot. Sometimes I think that a lot of the hostility here is just posturing against the "norm". You know, like college students that go around telling everyone how hip they are because they don't watch TV or listen to "commercial" music. Is Windows the BESTOSEVAROMG!!! ? No, it's not. But it does what I need it to do with a little effort and it is supported by pretty well every hardware maker out there. I am not saying Linux is bad, it's just not ready for primetime. Any time a user needs to compile or mess with a text file you've moved out of the mainstream and the average Joe isn't going to want to do anything like that. Other people in this topic have said as much as well.
Well, the post I responded to was talking about Linux and not other OSes so that might be why I only mentioned Linux.
You guys are hilarious. I have spurned the great and holy Linux, so this is flamebait. This is exactly the attitude I was talking about. Thanks for making my point.
Ahh, the cries of a zealot. Got to love the mature nomenclature "windoze" and "M$". Then people like you wonder why Windows users feel hostility and are very hesitant to want to even try Linux. As bad as Windows is, it works. Linux, yes even your great Ubunutu, still has a long ways to go. Even if you want mom and pop to switch over they are still going to have to deal with compatibility issues with documents and media formats. Ubunutu and distros like go a long way towards usability, but they aren't good enough for mass acceptance by a Windows user base. I mean when everything goes right with Linux it's great, but when things go wrong it's a nightmare for casual users. When I was playing around with Ubunutu last year I checked out a few sites and messageboards and found that even though there was helpful information out there it was often way too technical for people like my parents or neighbors. I also noticed that there is still an air of arrogance and hostility amongst some Linux supporters towards people that are inexperienced with Linux and/or are coming from a Windows background. As someone mentioned to me, just because you can make things work in Linux doesn't mean it's usable by most PC owners out there. In a few years, like it or not, there will still be more Vista users than Linux out there because of the Windows legacy and the large commercial support base.
I just use what works, involves the least amount effort on my part and is the most readily available. For video/audio production on a small scale right now that isn't Linux or any other OSS solution. At this point in time it's Mac and Windows that fit the bill. If Linux ever gets to that point I'll consider it seriously, but every time I put my toe into the water Linux is still lagging in terms of the applications I need and their maturity. Sure, there are Linux video and audio editing applications out there in the OSS/Linux world, but they aren't anywhere near the polish and maturity as commercial apps on OSX and Windows.