"Is unguided evolution/materialism/whatever you personally call it falsifiable?"
Yep, it is. For instance, if we were to find a chimera (say a pegasus), then evolution would fall flat on its face. Or (less fantastically), if we were to find an organism that radically differed from all other organisms, it would collapse. See? Now provide a similar one for god or ID.
"Why are the people pushing abiogenesis/evolution mostly athiests? Why does this mean anything?"
Ah, your argument all fall down. The majority of scientists espousing evolution are religious, not athiest.
"Maybe their genes have a certain looseness about them that can change to its environment, but a core set of genes stay permanent to keep it a bacterium."
Very good. You have just explained genetic change (evolution). Some of the genes change, some don't. Get it now?
"What you are saying... is in violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics."
Uh, no. Please put on your thinking cap. We are speaking of the Earth, not the universe as a whole. The universe as a whole is indeed experiencing entropy just as it should.
"If those limits were suddenly lifted, and I truly and honestly believed that God did not exist, I would probably snap. "
Your lack of self-control is not a reason to invalidate science. Get over yourself. You may think that you're that weak, but I doubt it. It's a bogus argument, one from pity.
"Well, so far, it's the right who has been doing exectly that (though luck on the conquered)..."
No, it's both. MPAA, RIAA, and US TV didn't just appear four years ago, you know.
"And the empire-building has been going on nicely with globalization, where other countries are forced to adopt U.S. ways..."
Really? You mean the globalization that other countries want so much more than the U.S. does? The globalization that third world countries depend upon because they cannot even consume their own products economically? That globalization?
Other countries adopt U.S. ways in business because they see it being the most successful, not because they're forced. Please spell out exactly the way they're forced.
It's the magnitude of the paranoid situations that amuses me. That the idea that the bad US government could even do the "cataloging me" of attending outdoor meetings (based on the top-of-your-head shots satellites give) is so laughable is something that the presumably techo-savvy geeks here aught to understand.
Climb on down off your paranoid ladders, guys. You (despite your beliefs) are simply not important enough to generate that scrutiny.
"In any case, the idea that communism (your economic system) could actually function without authoritarianism is pretty laughable."
It's not so much that anyone thinks it would work without totalitarianism, it's just that theoretically it could. That's why the two words - communism and totalitarianism.
"On a totally different note: do you think press is free (as in uncensored) in the States?"
Yeah, as in not censored by the government, bozo. Just because I can print whatever I want by my own company does not in any way imply censorship. If you think so, you misunderstand the word.
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Third choice. There is no "creation" involving "creators" at all.
"Is unguided evolution/materialism/whatever you personally call it falsifiable?"
Yep, it is. For instance, if we were to find a chimera (say a pegasus), then evolution would fall flat on its face. Or (less fantastically), if we were to find an organism that radically differed from all other organisms, it would collapse. See? Now provide a similar one for god or ID.
"Why are the people pushing abiogenesis/evolution mostly athiests? Why does this mean anything?"
Ah, your argument all fall down. The majority of scientists espousing evolution are religious, not athiest.
So, basically you're saying that because we can't explain it all yet, it has to have been done for us by a big parent figure? Hardly cogent thought.
It must really chap the ID'ist that the theories are lining up so nicely then, eh?
"It's not just for fundies- crap, some of it's logical underpinnings are rooted in medieval Muslim philosophy."
Well, now. There's a non-fundamental religion, eh?
"What principle demands that any theory involving an intelligent creator must be systematically dismissed from scientific inquiry?"
The principal that one must provide evidence to support a view?
"Their a priori exclusion of still-valid hypothesises isn't helping anybody."
It is not a still-valid hypothesis in the field of science because you cannot predict anything from it. If you think so, try.
"Who the heck cares if it doesn't fit into somebody's notion of what "science" should be?"
Anyone wishing to perform science.
"Scientific inquiry exists apart from any meaningless definition of it."
Except, of course, for the definition of scientific inquiry. See comment on evidence.
"So, why don't we all open our minds a bit and discuss theories on their merits, instead of our prejudices?"
I iterate. Make a scientific prediction, any scientific prediction predecated on ID.
The problem with ID is that it assumes the fantastic and totally unsupported at the expense of the more mundane, which is supported by evidence.
"...so I hope that there is at least some mention of intelligent design..."
Why? What has that to do with science? Answer: nothing.
"Maybe their genes have a certain looseness about them that can change to its environment, but a core set of genes stay permanent to keep it a bacterium."
Very good. You have just explained genetic change (evolution). Some of the genes change, some don't. Get it now?
"What you are saying... is in violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics."
Uh, no. Please put on your thinking cap. We are speaking of the Earth, not the universe as a whole. The universe as a whole is indeed experiencing entropy just as it should.
"That's why the big bang theory is irreconcilable with Christianity."
{Sagan}Thousands and thousands of Christians believe the Big Bang happened, therefore you are wrong.{/Sagan}
"BUT, there are some aspects of science that I cannot accept. "
This does not make those aspects wrong, it simply makes you hypocritical.
"If those limits were suddenly lifted, and I truly and honestly believed that God did not exist, I would probably snap. "
Your lack of self-control is not a reason to invalidate science. Get over yourself. You may think that you're that weak, but I doubt it. It's a bogus argument, one from pity.
"Say the fact that I talk to my invisible friend is the most conclusive evidence that he exists."
he exists, at all. No wonder you can't see straight about science.
Uhhhh..... Hiding behind a pseudonym, Txiasaeia?
You also missed his point. His stop was referencing you blithering.
"Well, so far, it's the right who has been doing exectly that (though luck on the conquered)..."
No, it's both. MPAA, RIAA, and US TV didn't just appear four years ago, you know.
"And the empire-building has been going on nicely with globalization, where other countries are forced to adopt U.S. ways..."
Really? You mean the globalization that other countries want so much more than the U.S. does? The globalization that third world countries depend upon because they cannot even consume their own products economically? That globalization?
Other countries adopt U.S. ways in business because they see it being the most successful, not because they're forced. Please spell out exactly the way they're forced.
Really? How'd he do that on essays and lab work?
Da Vinci did live into senility and kept the Mona Lisa with him until he died. So, no. He wasn't as obsessivly senile as a certain film maker.
It's the magnitude of the paranoid situations that amuses me. That the idea that the bad US government could even do the "cataloging me" of attending outdoor meetings (based on the top-of-your-head shots satellites give) is so laughable is something that the presumably techo-savvy geeks here aught to understand.
Climb on down off your paranoid ladders, guys. You (despite your beliefs) are simply not important enough to generate that scrutiny.
"What if going to an AA meeting is suddenly grounds for a background check..."
Yeah, and what if your mom shows up at your house and shoots you dead for forgetting her birthday?
Jesus. That simply has to be some point between no problem and the stupid crap you said.
"An employee should have rights as well."
They do.
1. Bullshit. If I set up a tower sufficiently tall enough, I can look over your fence.
2. That's NY, not the entire US.
No it would not. See my response to 1.
So you're going to what, crush the battery into dust and snort it?
Please use a little more intelligent scenario.
"...Europe has been doing democracy long before the American colonies..."
Really? Might you provide some information, instead of empty chest thumping?
Or, maybe your referring to that 'democracy', Greece? You know, the slave holders. Please, some info.
Provide links to more than your assertion. Elsewise, it's just that. Flamebait.
"In any case, the idea that communism (your economic system) could actually function without authoritarianism is pretty laughable."
It's not so much that anyone thinks it would work without totalitarianism, it's just that theoretically it could. That's why the two words - communism and totalitarianism.
No, he's wrong. Communism can exist with any type of political system.
"On a totally different note: do you think press is free (as in uncensored) in the States?"
Yeah, as in not censored by the government, bozo. Just because I can print whatever I want by my own company does not in any way imply censorship. If you think so, you misunderstand the word.
Bullshit.