With an attitude like that with complete disregard of the lack of quality right now, no wonder....
You are not being fair to Netscape Corp here. We should all stop complaining on Netscape Comm. Corporation, we should rather thank them because they deserve credits for their massive support of this open source project during the last years. (3 years soon!)
This kind of support is better to the open source community than support from a company like Corel which promises a lot but fails to deliver. Netscape Corp. contributes to the Internet community and helps advocate the need of open systems, public specs, etc.
And to actualy build it you have to have over a gig of diskspace readily available, and to use it you have to allocate it around an eight of gig of RAM.
To not be enoyed by slowness you'll need an i686 over 500 MHz.
But if you can satisfy these requirements then it's OK: I use it as my only browser, both at home (900 MHz) and at work (500 MHz), and with mozilla 0.6 I have had only one or two mozilla crashes lost month (using WinNT).
Compare a TV from 15 years ago with one of today and you will notice the wider screen (which isn't useful because it can't be used properly) and perhaps a greater sharpness, but that's all. There is no need to innovate so there isn't any real innovation.
Perhaps that's because the present day system suffices for most people. (with the 4-6 hour daily usage people are not unhappy with the somwhat lacking image quality)
And PAL has 800 or so scan lines, which turns out favourably compared to standard DVD's.
I work as a NetWare sysadmin for a dutch government network (100% Novell shop, 2000 desktops) and last year I heard 2 or 3 coworkers/managers mention testing/implementing Linux (roughly the same attention goes to NT/2000).
I think that although Linux constantly proves itself as one of the best web platforms around it would REALLY help if we would see MUCH more attention focussing on Linux office automation and stuff (File&Print, Windows desktop management tools, app server..)
Although Linux can do it too, NetWare and NT are still king of the hill here. For 2001?
You should really post screenshots if your program will do the way cool kind of things that are nowhere else to be seen! (like textmode quake, or your half transparent MP3 player:-)
But if it's only your console based editor with auto-indent - don't bother because you're not cool..
IMO the real problem with Corel is that because of their tried Linux joy-ride their attention in the Windows market weakened.
Microsoft may be in the advantage here (being on their own platform etc.) but for '3rd parties' there are LOTS of possibilities to sell kick-ass software in this market. Simply because the Windows desktop app market is so huge there are lots of possibilities for a positive spiral, imo more than in the Linux app market.
Even if Microsoft has 95% of the Office market share and Corel has only 5%. It would be fairly straightforward to make this ratio a 90%-10% which will effectively result in a doubled revenue stream for Corel.
Microsoft has a whole set of problems that prohibit the acceptation of the pocketPC, of which the most important is that it is designed with the poweruser mindset, just like their desktop UI's are. The second problem is that they _really_ want to have this Office functionality. I think only a small number of users want this but it is where the development efforts are going.
Palm perfectly knows how the PDA market works (it's their market!), and they will include the right features.
I like to think of PocketPC's as upgraded Diamond Rio's, not as more powerful Palms.
Are you American Capitalist?
Your text could have been written by some '70s Western European socialist:
- you want the government to invest
- you want the government to care for the emotional well-being of the people
- or else, America will lose it's culture!!
- or worse yest, America's fine industry will move abroad, OUT of America!
It is my opinion that power infrastructure (as well as the telecommunications market and the public transport) should be privatized to a large degree.
That's very true!
Especially if you are a small bussiness, you are bound to have trouble with support ppl:
"it doesn't work"
"yeah, that must be because your implementation sucks"
"ok, tell me how i could've done it otherwise!"
"well, we have a complementing product xyz,..."
I dont believe in these theories. Here is my own theory, valid only for the countries that are democracies through voted representation (i.e. most countries in Europe and the U.S.A.)
The government type is a 'democracy', meaning we the people have the power. So we are happy because we are governed exactly according to our feelings and wantings!
In our countries there exists an adequately paid class of people working for the people. In Holland we have a special name for these goverment officials: ambtenaar, I dunno if the English word 'official' has the same negative meaning the dutch 'ambtenaar' has...
Those government officials don't have a clue of what would be the proper course of action to follow. They don't see problems that are easy to spot nor are they able to calculate consequences of their decisions.
To the people involved in the problems requiring government intervention it seems like the decisions made by the officials are completely random/arbitrary in content+meaning+explanation.
Any decision/political action is covered in lots of beautiful words and things. If you listen closely to what the officials have to say the you can mostly discover that anything said can be explained in more than one way. In the event of some unfortunate media attention (public scandal?) this careful wording lets officials keep their jobs while responisble politicians are forced to step back...
Believe me on all of the above! As a network administrator for a Dutch province I am working right in the middle of this shit:-)
I do not understand what you mean by 'god-awful' client and what it could do to a W9x machine. I do administrator a GroupWise 5.5 environment. I am not at the serice desk but I do know for a fact that we don't have any problems with the client software.
Using the default installation method, the setup of the 32-bits client does the following things:
Copy the GroupWise program files to C:\Novell\GroupWise.
Set up a MAPI profile for the address books(When installing on a machine with WMS)
Register DLL's & OCX's
I have never had a problem with the above installation; none whatsoever. In fact there are no technical reasons why the install would be able to do *ANY* damage at all! to W9x (unless, say, installation of OL98+IE4!)
IBM always has had a rough time with their hardware offerings (desktops; Netfinity servers. It seems the world is revolving around Dell these days.
Novell has a huge number of loyal customers that every few years spend enormous amounts of money on Dell, Compaq systems. (And not at Novell software since their IntraNetWare 4.11 licenses purchased in '96 are still fine..)
Getting into a technology joint-venture with Novell would make sence for IBM since they could then target those customers.
IBM would provide a simple integrated networking solution based on Novell software and IBM hardware, with a lower total cost of ownership for the customer.
Changing platforms is an enormous task. OS's don't necessarily have to be. E.g. moving from Win95 to Win98 is really simple provided things like profiles are properly setup (network profiles). Lots of organisations have a combination of both OS's on older and newer machine's.
You will start to get REAL problems when you move to a radically different/incompatible platform like WindowsNT or Linux. Such migrations should take years. (And when you do it faster you haven't thought it out all properly so you are going to have even more problems...:-)
Competence? How? You can have technically brilliant people who can do amazing things in a truly extraordinary way (extremely competent in a technical sense) but who lack the needed freedom to do their job properly because they are being constantly burdoned by users. So they are unhappy and do nothing good at all. Are they competent or not..?
There isn't any Linux system in this list because there is no single Linux company member of TPC. (Membership cost's money!) NT is cheeper than ("real") UNIX, esp. for entry level applications/systems. (I believe this is generally agreed upon). This is wy we only see NT on the low performance list.
The question remains whether choosing for a low performance (NT) solution will be cheaper in the end, but that's a different story...
Absolutely right. Let's not forget that Fred van Kempen is a kernel hacker of the first generation.
FvK improved Linux' networking code to a production level quality.
Perhaps you would not be reading this message from a Linux server because Linux's networking code would be *far* different and who knows *how different*.
Of course it should be top priority to minimize downtime, but I think that the practice of "seeking uptimes" is pretty useless.
I have done my share of it, but now I think one should never ever hesitate to bring the system down when some essential upgrade is needed.
Otherwise the danger is that all those smaller upgrades effect build up to form one mega operation which is a lot more difficult to oversee and which might adversely affect total downtime.
Duh! that 115k2 *is* the serial port speed, my dear Evil friend... don't trust what Windows says.
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A parable: with MacOS 8.5, Apple engineers devised a way to swap out practically any interface element with another to create colorful and unique "themes". Zany windows, hi-tech windows, unique shapes. At the last minute, this feature was pulled, and has never been seen since. While Mac users were upset, the reason was simple: consistency in an experience is important.
Do you believe everything the Apple Marketing Department says about not releasing these features? I can tell you one thing: the customization was not released because of usability concerns. It was retracted because they could not get it working properly. The MacOS sourcecode is so very old and bloated with additions, patches, new features etc. that it is inherently buggy and not suited for this kind of changes.
One other feature they did include in MacOS 8.5 is the NeXT-style scroll bar. This may seem a simple addition to do, but there are a lot of applications which do not work correctly with it. So everyone turns it off. Hey! Now we have another axample of a configurable user interface on the Mac! And I just learned that that wasn't Apple's policy...
One thing Napoleon deserves credit for is getting this standardization right.
Without Buonaparte every single country/province/department/town would have had it's own definition of mile/foot/etc.
Such a pity he didn't succeed in taking over England back then.. I guess the English and the Americans are still very proud of that. They will probably never convert to the sensible system.
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This kind of support is better to the open source community than support from a company like Corel which promises a lot but fails to deliver. Netscape Corp. contributes to the Internet community and helps advocate the need of open systems, public specs, etc.
And to actualy build it you have to have over a gig of diskspace readily available, and to use it you have to allocate it around an eight of gig of RAM.
To not be enoyed by slowness you'll need an i686 over 500 MHz.
But if you can satisfy these requirements then it's OK: I use it as my only browser, both at home (900 MHz) and at work (500 MHz), and with mozilla 0.6 I have had only one or two mozilla crashes lost month (using WinNT).
Compare a TV from 15 years ago with one of today and you will notice the wider screen (which isn't useful because it can't be used properly) and perhaps a greater sharpness, but that's all. There is no need to innovate so there isn't any real innovation.
Perhaps that's because the present day system suffices for most people. (with the 4-6 hour daily usage people are not unhappy with the somwhat lacking image quality)
And PAL has 800 or so scan lines, which turns out favourably compared to standard DVD's.
I work as a NetWare sysadmin for a dutch government network (100% Novell shop, 2000 desktops) and last year I heard 2 or 3 coworkers/managers mention testing/implementing Linux (roughly the same attention goes to NT/2000).
I think that although Linux constantly proves itself as one of the best web platforms around it would REALLY help if we would see MUCH more attention focussing on Linux office automation and stuff (File&Print, Windows desktop management tools, app server..)
Although Linux can do it too, NetWare and NT are still king of the hill here. For 2001?
You can use such a camera to monitor boys/girls in a café: who pays attention to you? It would be very interesting to meat that one...
I think this camera system is a killer thing, with breakthrough applications!
You should really post screenshots if your program will do the way cool kind of things that are nowhere else to be seen! (like textmode quake, or your half transparent MP3 player :-)
But if it's only your console based editor with auto-indent - don't bother because you're not cool..
Must people refuse to believe that 75 grams of animal proteins is the optimal amount. So no more meat than a quarter pounder (tm) every other day!
IMO the real problem with Corel is that because of their tried Linux joy-ride their attention in the Windows market weakened.
Microsoft may be in the advantage here (being on their own platform etc.) but for '3rd parties' there are LOTS of possibilities to sell kick-ass software in this market. Simply because the Windows desktop app market is so huge there are lots of possibilities for a positive spiral, imo more than in the Linux app market.
Even if Microsoft has 95% of the Office market share and Corel has only 5%. It would be fairly straightforward to make this ratio a 90%-10% which will effectively result in a doubled revenue stream for Corel.
Microsoft has a whole set of problems that prohibit the acceptation of the pocketPC, of which the most important is that it is designed with the poweruser mindset, just like their desktop UI's are. The second problem is that they _really_ want to have this Office functionality. I think only a small number of users want this but it is where the development efforts are going.
Palm perfectly knows how the PDA market works (it's their market!), and they will include the right features.
I like to think of PocketPC's as upgraded Diamond Rio's, not as more powerful Palms.
Are you American Capitalist?
Your text could have been written by some '70s Western European socialist:
- you want the government to invest
- you want the government to care for the emotional well-being of the people
- or else, America will lose it's culture!!
- or worse yest, America's fine industry will move abroad, OUT of America!
It is my opinion that power infrastructure (as well as the telecommunications market and the public transport) should be privatized to a large degree.
That's very true!
..."
Especially if you are a small bussiness, you are bound to have trouble with support ppl:
"it doesn't work"
"yeah, that must be because your implementation sucks"
"ok, tell me how i could've done it otherwise!"
"well, we have a complementing product xyz,
Believe me on all of the above! As a network administrator for a Dutch province I am working right in the middle of this shit
Using the default installation method, the setup of the 32-bits client does the following things:
I have never had a problem with the above installation; none whatsoever. In fact there are no technical reasons why the install would be able to do *ANY* damage at all! to W9x (unless, say, installation of OL98+IE4!)
>> (unlike a few others, like Quicktime).
.\QuickTime\*.*
.\Quick*.*
.\*.qtx
It's real easy to do this yourself.
Just save the following files:
\progra~1\quickt~1\*.*
And in \windows\system:
Registering the components, file types etc. is done using the QuickTime cpl.
Just my 0.02 cts for the curious..
--Maarten
IBM always has had a rough time with their hardware offerings (desktops; Netfinity servers. It seems the world is revolving around Dell these days. Novell has a huge number of loyal customers that every few years spend enormous amounts of money on Dell, Compaq systems. (And not at Novell software since their IntraNetWare 4.11 licenses purchased in '96 are still fine..) Getting into a technology joint-venture with Novell would make sence for IBM since they could then target those customers. IBM would provide a simple integrated networking solution based on Novell software and IBM hardware, with a lower total cost of ownership for the customer.
Changing platforms is an enormous task. OS's don't necessarily have to be. E.g. moving from Win95 to Win98 is really simple provided things like profiles are properly setup (network profiles). Lots of organisations have a combination of both OS's on older and newer machine's.
You will start to get REAL problems when you move to a radically different/incompatible platform like WindowsNT or Linux. Such migrations should take years. (And when you do it faster you haven't thought it out all properly so you are going to have even more problems... :-)
".. could cause the user's machine to crash when it was displayed."
"If this happened, the machine could be put back into normal service by restarting it."
-- Microsoft, Security Bulletin 00-17
Competence? How? You can have technically brilliant people who can do amazing things in a truly extraordinary way (extremely competent in a technical sense) but who lack the needed freedom to do their job properly because they are being constantly burdoned by users. So they are unhappy and do nothing good at all. Are they competent or not..?
There isn't any Linux system in this list because there is no single Linux company member of TPC. (Membership cost's money!)
NT is cheeper than ("real") UNIX, esp. for entry level applications/systems. (I believe this is generally agreed upon). This is wy we only see NT on the low performance list.
The question remains whether choosing for a low performance (NT) solution will be cheaper in the end, but that's a different story...
Absolutely right. Let's not forget that Fred van Kempen is a kernel hacker of the first generation.
FvK improved Linux' networking code to a production level quality.
Perhaps you would not be reading this message from a Linux server because Linux's networking code would be *far* different and who knows *how different*.
I have done my share of it, but now I think one should never ever hesitate to bring the system down when some essential upgrade is needed.
Otherwise the danger is that all those smaller upgrades effect build up to form one mega operation which is a lot more difficult to oversee and which might adversely affect total downtime.
Cool!
I think Creative's move really is significant!
Perhaps Creative has been the mosed "closed" consumer-computer-company around, but it really seems Linux has their focus now.
--Maarten
(using a Creative Graphics_Blaster TNT that is perfectly supported by NVidia..)
> maybe it's the serial port settings
Duh! that 115k2 *is* the serial port speed, my dear Evil friend... don't trust what Windows says.
Do you believe everything the Apple Marketing Department says about not releasing these features? I can tell you one thing: the customization was not released because of usability concerns. It was retracted because they could not get it working properly. The MacOS sourcecode is so very old and bloated with additions, patches, new features etc. that it is inherently buggy and not suited for this kind of changes.
One other feature they did include in MacOS 8.5 is the NeXT-style scroll bar. This may seem a simple addition to do, but there are a lot of applications which do not work correctly with it. So everyone turns it off. Hey! Now we have another axample of a configurable user interface on the Mac! And I just learned that that wasn't Apple's policy...
--Maarten
One thing Napoleon deserves credit for is getting this standardization right.
Without Buonaparte every single country/province/department/town would have had it's own definition of mile/foot/etc.
Such a pity he didn't succeed in taking over England back then.. I guess the English and the Americans are still very proud of that. They will probably never convert to the sensible system.