It's kind of hard to take an argument seriously when the arguer doesn't know the difference between abdicate and advocate. I mean, I even AGREE with you, except for the abdicating part. Just, please, please, please don't use words unless you are certain that you know what they mean. Please. Don't do it for me; do it for you. Unless you're trolling, I can't be bothered to check your history. In that case, by all means, continue.
Actually, it's written into the contract you signed when you signed your driver's license. The driving offenses for which you may be arrested are public safety issues, not violations of the driving code. They like to talk about 'laws' because laws were written which allow for the creation of these penalties, but you are not subject to them if you do not have a license (of course, then you're subject to the violation of the actual law which requires you to have a valid driver's license if you're driving on public roads). It's confusing, but next time you're in traffic court, ask them under what jurisdiction you are being charged.
You are a victim of reverse psychology. That spamming asshat is just like the legions of retards calling talk shows: a Hillary supporter (or Obama supporter) trying to ruin Mr. Paul's shot. They needn't worry, though, because he is a decent person and will thus never be able to get the nomination anyway.
Because it's so easy to provide goods and services without receiving payment for them, and so wrong to ask that people pay for things they're using/getting.
16-hour work days
Right. This never happens anymore.
child labor,
Right. We're so much better than those countries who use child labor, because we just buy the products of such labor instead of engaging in it ourselves.
heavy pollution
Of course, we don't have any problems with THAT in this country! Good thing, too!
and massive periodic economic depressions
Yep, none of those either. Thank God for that Federal Government!
Why don't we use some of that money we got for selling Spanish corporation Cintra our roads? Or some of the new $1/gallon gas tax Rick "Asshat" Perry wants to institute? Or some of the 'per mile use charges' that he wants to create for Texas highways? I can't claim that Texas politics has ever been what you would call 'clean', but this current time is one of the darker in our state's history, in my opinion.
Yes...there will be two of them. One more than a dictatorship gets. You'll get to pick the rich, white, corporate-owned political insider, or you COULD choose the rich, white, corporate-owned political insider. Your choice! (Note: Yes, this means that I don't think Paul nor Obama is going to get the nomination, but I'm not counting out the lizard queen)
That's just passing the buck. Representatives to a state legislature are not wiser than representatives to a federal legislature. The interests of one state are not different than the interests of another state if we are to have a United States.
Right. Because California faces EXACTLY the same issues as Delaware, right? And Montana is exactly the same as New York, right? And Alaska and Hawaii and Arkansas are exactly the same, right? There couldn't be ANY possible reason to break government down to a granularity smaller than 'country'.
United does NOT mean identical. Common purpose != common everything. I won't even bother to go into your paranoid rant. You did know that the leaders of the South had already realized that slavery most likely couldn't last and were having internal discussions about how to gracefully (for them) and painlessly (again for them) end it, right? Then again, you probably believe that the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery. Go back to sleep.
So you've tried your soapbox, and that didn't work. Then you turned to the ballot box, and that didn't work either. Maybe it's time for the third alternative. If they want to implant an RFID chip in me, they better be ready for ME to implant some 'LFID' chips in them first. (LFID = Lead-Form Independence Device)
How about 'no-bid' contracts? That's a STAPLE of fascism. How about the morass of federal regulations we are in, which only large companies can profitably navigate? I *do* know what fascism is, and although most of the posts in this thread are actually opposing the totalitarian things our government is doing, that doesn't mean we aren't also becoming fascist. It just means that many people wrongly conflate the two.
Yeah, that's something that would have been absolutely laughable 50 years ago. In fact, I would imagine that an average American in the '50s would get upset if you suggested that it were possible. Not that I'm saying it will happen, but the fact that it can't be dismissed out of hand scares the living shit out of me.
You know, I see this talking point often, especially where gun rights have been brought up. Do you really believe that with no controls on the process, that many individuals would take to private tank/bomber/nuclear missle ownership? Hasn't it ever occurred to you that perhaps the people with enough money to afford tanks/bombers/etc have enough money to get them no matter their legal status? And that people who don't have that kind of money wouldn't be able to own tanks even if it were federally required? Seems pretty stupid to make private ownership of things which cost that much (and which are that hard to acquire) illegal. Besides, the only two instances *I* can think of regarding tanks run amock involved people who stole them from national guard armories or military bases. Maybe we shouldn't let THEM have tanks, if they can't take care of them.
That isn't a right. It's a privilege. You and everyone else who has been conditioned to think of things we have to get permission for as rights actually hurt everyone. You supposedly have a RIGHT to travel public roads. Yet you do not in actuality, because you have to get permission in some way or another in order to actually do so. If you do not, you are arrested/fined/etc. You have the privilege of buying beer on Sundays providing that you have obtained the necessary ID and Federal Reserve Notes (or electronic equivalent) and a store in your area has also passed the necessary licensing requirements, etc. If these things are not true, you can not buy beer on Sunday. Thus, it is not a right. If you have to get permission to do something, IT IS NOT A RIGHT. It is a privilege. Just because you are able to jump through some hoops and usually do what you want does not mean that it is your right. Right to own property? Better get permission - sales are cleared through the gubmint. Right to assemble? Better get permission. Otherwise you could be arrested. Right to free speech? Better make sure you're in a 'free speech zone'. Right to keep and bear arms? Nope...permission again. Right to be secure in your person and home? Nope, this can be taken away for no reason at all. You have to get permission to build your house, permission to add rooms to it, permission to sell it, permission to buy a new car, on and on and on goes the list. If it can be taken away from you, it isn't a right. It's a privilege.
Well, spell it enough different ways and you're sure to get it corect! Er, or not. I believe the word you were looking for is "fascism", but that isn't the word you OUGHT to have been looking for. The word you SHOULD have been looking for is 'totalitarianism'. Of course, Democrats certainly aren't against that, at least not en masse. Nice troll, though. A _____ for the ____ is a _____ against _____! Worst. Argument. Evar.
Actually, many people make this mistake. A government which tightly controls its population in the manner we are now seeing may be fascist, true. However, it does not have to be. A monarchy, oligarchy, dictatorship, these all could implement the same program (and would do so for the same reasons). Fascism is cooperation between big business and government. It does not require papers or totalitarian measures. That we ARE in a fascist environment is a correlation, not a causation. I'm not criticising you, as I said before, this is a common mistake.
NOW you're on to something. Remember, folks, a license is just official permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. The first step is ID (just like the old driver's licenses) but the next step will be criminalization of the activities you need ID for now. At that point, it will be a license and not an ID. THAT is what they are working toward.
Never once have I thought that having to prove who I say I am as an invasion of my privacy or my rights.
It may be accepted as proof, but since these types of papers can be faked (and I'm not just talking forged, it is possible to have a real, state-issued document with erroneous information on it) they aren't true proof. Really, they're just a convenience - you're not proving that you are YOU, you are displaying evidence that you went and sat in line at some government agency and THEY think you're you. Good enough for most people, I suppose.
Well, in my last apartment, the cable company *required* that a tech come out and install my basic cable service. They said there was no way for me to do it on my own. His ENTIRE visit consisted of plugging (my existing) coax cable into the wall. That's it. He didn't even have to flip any switches outside. Just because something is *required* doesn't mean it's necessary.
Most power gamers don't want to be associated with Dell in any way.
That's odd, there are quite a few hardcore gamers I know that work at Dell. They don't seem to have any problems being associated with Dell. Maybe your experience isn't universal. Not that I'm claiming mine is. Most power gamers I know wouldn't have any problem using an Alienware system; they just don't want to pay the premium for it. Of course, I doubt that most gamers are power gamers, and I would be extremely surprised if Alienware's install base has EVER been heavily power gamer. There just aren't enough of them to keep a company profitable. Now, casual gamers, on the other hand...
Well, with our technology, sure. How can we say what alien tech would be? We don't have any basis of comparison. Maybe it's cake for them. Maybe it's impossible. Who can say? People on slashdot, apparently.
As I said before, it's NO MORE unlikely than the idea that all of the various coincidences that would need to occur for life to spring from notlife would occur. Yet, here we are. I notice you did not address the very salient point that since we have no idea what alien technology is, it is pretty stupid to claim that we know what it is not. Therefore, it is certainly possible that alien technology could manipulate DNA. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying that given the complete lack of any evidence of alien technology, it is stupid to state definitively what that technology is or is not capable of. What sort of non 'magical hand-waving' would you like? Repeatable scientific test results? What planet are YOU living on?
You didn't say 'box of bullets'. That is OBVIOUSLY plural. You said 'type of bullets' which is not correct. Would you say, "I prefer the vanilla type of ice creams"? Would you say, "My favorite type of pizzas is pepperoni"? I don't think so. However, at this point it's kind of a silly thing to be debating. Let's just say I'm right and move on. (Note: That last sentence was meant to be a joke)
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It's kind of hard to take an argument seriously when the arguer doesn't know the difference between abdicate and advocate. I mean, I even AGREE with you, except for the abdicating part. Just, please, please, please don't use words unless you are certain that you know what they mean. Please. Don't do it for me; do it for you. Unless you're trolling, I can't be bothered to check your history. In that case, by all means, continue.
Like or hate the speed limit, it's the law.
Actually, it's written into the contract you signed when you signed your driver's license. The driving offenses for which you may be arrested are public safety issues, not violations of the driving code. They like to talk about 'laws' because laws were written which allow for the creation of these penalties, but you are not subject to them if you do not have a license (of course, then you're subject to the violation of the actual law which requires you to have a valid driver's license if you're driving on public roads).
It's confusing, but next time you're in traffic court, ask them under what jurisdiction you are being charged.
You are a victim of reverse psychology. That spamming asshat is just like the legions of retards calling talk shows: a Hillary supporter (or Obama supporter) trying to ruin Mr. Paul's shot. They needn't worry, though, because he is a decent person and will thus never be able to get the nomination anyway.
Yes, let's all go back to no public education
Right, because public education is terrific!
hospitals requiring upfront payment
Because it's so easy to provide goods and services without receiving payment for them, and so wrong to ask that people pay for things they're using/getting.
16-hour work days
Right. This never happens anymore.
child labor,
Right. We're so much better than those countries who use child labor, because we just buy the products of such labor instead of engaging in it ourselves.
heavy pollution
Of course, we don't have any problems with THAT in this country! Good thing, too!
and massive periodic economic depressions
Yep, none of those either. Thank God for that Federal Government!
Why don't we use some of that money we got for selling Spanish corporation Cintra our roads? Or some of the new $1/gallon gas tax Rick "Asshat" Perry wants to institute? Or some of the 'per mile use charges' that he wants to create for Texas highways? I can't claim that Texas politics has ever been what you would call 'clean', but this current time is one of the darker in our state's history, in my opinion.
Cool, there are choices :)
Yes...there will be two of them. One more than a dictatorship gets. You'll get to pick the rich, white, corporate-owned political insider, or you COULD choose the rich, white, corporate-owned political insider. Your choice! (Note: Yes, this means that I don't think Paul nor Obama is going to get the nomination, but I'm not counting out the lizard queen)
That's just passing the buck. Representatives to a state legislature are not wiser than representatives to a federal legislature. The interests of one state are not different than the interests of another state if we are to have a United States.
Right. Because California faces EXACTLY the same issues as Delaware, right? And Montana is exactly the same as New York, right? And Alaska and Hawaii and Arkansas are exactly the same, right? There couldn't be ANY possible reason to break government down to a granularity smaller than 'country'.
United does NOT mean identical. Common purpose != common everything. I won't even bother to go into your paranoid rant. You did know that the leaders of the South had already realized that slavery most likely couldn't last and were having internal discussions about how to gracefully (for them) and painlessly (again for them) end it, right? Then again, you probably believe that the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery. Go back to sleep.
You may not be a spammer, true...but you are wearing a spammer's uniform, so you can see how we might become confused.
Apologies to Dave Chappelle.
So you've tried your soapbox, and that didn't work. Then you turned to the ballot box, and that didn't work either. Maybe it's time for the third alternative. If they want to implant an RFID chip in me, they better be ready for ME to implant some 'LFID' chips in them first. (LFID = Lead-Form Independence Device)
How about 'no-bid' contracts? That's a STAPLE of fascism. How about the morass of federal regulations we are in, which only large companies can profitably navigate? I *do* know what fascism is, and although most of the posts in this thread are actually opposing the totalitarian things our government is doing, that doesn't mean we aren't also becoming fascist. It just means that many people wrongly conflate the two.
Yeah, that's something that would have been absolutely laughable 50 years ago. In fact, I would imagine that an average American in the '50s would get upset if you suggested that it were possible. Not that I'm saying it will happen, but the fact that it can't be dismissed out of hand scares the living shit out of me.
You know, I see this talking point often, especially where gun rights have been brought up. Do you really believe that with no controls on the process, that many individuals would take to private tank/bomber/nuclear missle ownership? Hasn't it ever occurred to you that perhaps the people with enough money to afford tanks/bombers/etc have enough money to get them no matter their legal status? And that people who don't have that kind of money wouldn't be able to own tanks even if it were federally required? Seems pretty stupid to make private ownership of things which cost that much (and which are that hard to acquire) illegal. Besides, the only two instances *I* can think of regarding tanks run amock involved people who stole them from national guard armories or military bases. Maybe we shouldn't let THEM have tanks, if they can't take care of them.
That isn't a right. It's a privilege. You and everyone else who has been conditioned to think of things we have to get permission for as rights actually hurt everyone. You supposedly have a RIGHT to travel public roads. Yet you do not in actuality, because you have to get permission in some way or another in order to actually do so. If you do not, you are arrested/fined/etc. You have the privilege of buying beer on Sundays providing that you have obtained the necessary ID and Federal Reserve Notes (or electronic equivalent) and a store in your area has also passed the necessary licensing requirements, etc. If these things are not true, you can not buy beer on Sunday. Thus, it is not a right. If you have to get permission to do something, IT IS NOT A RIGHT. It is a privilege. Just because you are able to jump through some hoops and usually do what you want does not mean that it is your right. Right to own property? Better get permission - sales are cleared through the gubmint. Right to assemble? Better get permission. Otherwise you could be arrested. Right to free speech? Better make sure you're in a 'free speech zone'. Right to keep and bear arms? Nope...permission again. Right to be secure in your person and home? Nope, this can be taken away for no reason at all. You have to get permission to build your house, permission to add rooms to it, permission to sell it, permission to buy a new car, on and on and on goes the list. If it can be taken away from you, it isn't a right. It's a privilege.
Well, spell it enough different ways and you're sure to get it corect! Er, or not. I believe the word you were looking for is "fascism", but that isn't the word you OUGHT to have been looking for. The word you SHOULD have been looking for is 'totalitarianism'. Of course, Democrats certainly aren't against that, at least not en masse. Nice troll, though.
A _____ for the ____ is a _____ against _____!
Worst.
Argument.
Evar.
s/fascism/totalitarianism/g
Papers please!
The slow slide to fascism
Actually, many people make this mistake. A government which tightly controls its population in the manner we are now seeing may be fascist, true. However, it does not have to be. A monarchy, oligarchy, dictatorship, these all could implement the same program (and would do so for the same reasons). Fascism is cooperation between big business and government. It does not require papers or totalitarian measures. That we ARE in a fascist environment is a correlation, not a causation. I'm not criticising you, as I said before, this is a common mistake.
NOW you're on to something.
Remember, folks, a license is just official permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. The first step is ID (just like the old driver's licenses) but the next step will be criminalization of the activities you need ID for now. At that point, it will be a license and not an ID. THAT is what they are working toward.
Never once have I thought that having to prove who I say I am as an invasion of my privacy or my rights.
It may be accepted as proof, but since these types of papers can be faked (and I'm not just talking forged, it is possible to have a real, state-issued document with erroneous information on it) they aren't true proof. Really, they're just a convenience - you're not proving that you are YOU, you are displaying evidence that you went and sat in line at some government agency and THEY think you're you. Good enough for most people, I suppose.
You know why you don't make any money? Because you think Picard is better than Kirk. Obviously, you don't deserve to make any money.
Well, in my last apartment, the cable company *required* that a tech come out and install my basic cable service. They said there was no way for me to do it on my own. His ENTIRE visit consisted of plugging (my existing) coax cable into the wall. That's it. He didn't even have to flip any switches outside. Just because something is *required* doesn't mean it's necessary.
Most power gamers don't want to be associated with Dell in any way.
That's odd, there are quite a few hardcore gamers I know that work at Dell. They don't seem to have any problems being associated with Dell. Maybe your experience isn't universal. Not that I'm claiming mine is. Most power gamers I know wouldn't have any problem using an Alienware system; they just don't want to pay the premium for it. Of course, I doubt that most gamers are power gamers, and I would be extremely surprised if Alienware's install base has EVER been heavily power gamer. There just aren't enough of them to keep a company profitable. Now, casual gamers, on the other hand...
I was going for irony, there...but good info. And true, it's always someone else's fault.
Well, with our technology, sure. How can we say what alien tech would be? We don't have any basis of comparison. Maybe it's cake for them. Maybe it's impossible. Who can say? People on slashdot, apparently.
As I said before, it's NO MORE unlikely than the idea that all of the various coincidences that would need to occur for life to spring from notlife would occur. Yet, here we are. I notice you did not address the very salient point that since we have no idea what alien technology is, it is pretty stupid to claim that we know what it is not. Therefore, it is certainly possible that alien technology could manipulate DNA. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying that given the complete lack of any evidence of alien technology, it is stupid to state definitively what that technology is or is not capable of. What sort of non 'magical hand-waving' would you like? Repeatable scientific test results? What planet are YOU living on?
You didn't say 'box of bullets'. That is OBVIOUSLY plural. You said 'type of bullets' which is not correct. Would you say, "I prefer the vanilla type of ice creams"? Would you say, "My favorite type of pizzas is pepperoni"? I don't think so. However, at this point it's kind of a silly thing to be debating. Let's just say I'm right and move on. (Note: That last sentence was meant to be a joke)