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I would consider the moderation system to be the most broken part of Slashdot.
Overrated and Underrated mods don't get metamodded, so people always use it to follow your posts when they don't like you and mod them all down. This is a little known fact, for some reason. At least Taco made it so Funny mods don't affect karma, because 90% of the upmodded Funny posts aren't funny in the slightest bit.
If a ton of people mod you up to +5, it only takes one person to knock you down to +4, and their moderation type ("Troll") is the one displayed. The way it's designed leads to groupthink, where if someone interprets a post as a joke, it will be marked as "Funny," and from that point on others will see that "Funny" marker and also interpret as funny and mod it up. However, if it was originally marked as "Flamebait," others will see that marker and unconsciously interpret that way, causing them to skip over it or also mark it down.
Not to mention that going against any majority opinion around here is almost guaranteeing 99% of the time that you'll be modded down into oblivion for violating the hivemind. And Anti-Slash is always exploiting the flaws of the moderation system for its own amusement. They list their troll posts on the front page complete with links, and even have a searchable database storing past +5 posts that trolls can repost later on and get modded up (and they do, every time).
Not to mention the Slashdot editors have infinite moderation points and have abused this in the past--case in point, The Post. Several people have never gotten moderation points to this day simply because they posted a reply in that discussion. Michael has even insulted people for having a high post count. The guy who squatted Censorware and is the most despised and unprofessional editor at Slashdot actually makes fun of its devoted readers.
For a site that professes "openness" so much, the editors keep a lot hidden and don't talk very much to vistors (try e-mailing Taco sometime and expect either nothing at all or a very nasty sarcastic reply). Heck, if you even dare suggest that Slashdot move away from this ugly, godawful, absolutely horrible 1998-era visual design, the response is either nothing at all or "submit a patch if you want." Nice.
This place has been going down the crapper ever since VA Linux bought it out. Don't people realize this website is corporate-owned now? For all the anti-corporation spiel that goes on around here, I'm surprised that fact is ignored. Suddenly all the anti-"M$" posts are put into perspective. Must be nice for a company to own a "news" website that just so happens to post a lot of "news" articles negative toward competitors ("Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China").
There was a time when Kuro5hin was the alternative, and I used to visit that place back when they actually posted technology news that Slashdot wouldn't touch for whatever reason. But now Kuro5hin is a left-wing hellhole, where Bin Laden is a "misunderstood freedom fighter." The sad truth is that Slashdot is seen as the bastion for tech news in the geek community, and the fact that Taco shrugs off its relevance as "this is just a hobby" means we don't get any sort of professionalism at all, but instead more reposts, typos, completely false articles, and broken discussion systems.
Nobody disputes there are legitimate uses. But one thing that does amuse me is when people dance around the issue of what the majority do in fact use it for, which is piracy.
It's like with P2P networks, every Slashdotter comes out of the woodwork to declare that copyright has somehow magically transferred to those of the P2P users, and that they merely use the networks to "sample" albums and so on. I don't get the aversion to admitting the simple truth, which is that 99.9% of those networks is blatant piracy with no intention of buying anything. Of course, one wonders why they're really complaining to begin with, since if they're not doing anything wrong and are only trading legal materials, why should they care if the RIAA sues the illegal downloaders?
With mod chips, there are always legitimate uses, but it's silly to pretend over 90% of usage isn't for pirating games. It's the first thing you thought of when you first found out about mod chips. It's human nature. Let's be real here.
Of course they should have installation routines. Freedesktop isn't doing squat. We're still stuck with "RPM-based" systems that break constantly. Until Linux users stop fearing change and realize the desktop needs to be seamless and have integration with its technologies, instead of relying on x and y and z and s and w and the standards of this website and this website and this website, KDE and GNOME will always be as good as it gets.
Again, evidence that you troll/. with this account and that you have another "good" account, besides bragging about troll exploits.
Name a single troll exploit. It's no secret I have another, older account. Many people have had more than one account in Slashdot's existence. We already know your account names.
More lies from you, what else is new?
What am I lying about? You have yet to cite a single "lie." I won't hold my breath.
It's the same old game with you--lie and try to derail the original point which is that you are a troll.
What am I trolling about? Cite an example. Put up or shut up.
Constructive criticism? I call shenanigans. Yes, there is such a thing a constructive criticism and there's being an asshole and a troll--the latter being things you seem to excel in.
Cite an example. Put up or shut up. Trolling my account hasn't worked yet. My karma is still excellent, and I've led you several posts deep into a pointless discussion thread. I pretty much knowingly control your behavior without your realizing it. You probably aren't even aware of my anonymous replies.
If that were true, then your account would have been pulled a long time ago. Again, you're appealing to someone whom you openly despise.
Clearly, you have no idea. Please, keep posting.
Please, come up with something more creative. And while you do that, be sure and post yet another boring post to this thread claiming how you're not trolling, etc.
This is evidence that you're getting bored and exhausted following my posts. You indirectly suggest I stop posting so you don't have to keep up with it. Clearly, you need to get a life.
You are a frightening individual. Graduate and get a life.
And any desktop linux distro I know sets up soundcards automatically (redhat might not, but that is emphatically targetted at servers, not desktops).
I see people coming in to chatrooms on freenode all the time with soundcard problems. It's common knowledge that drivers are a problem with Linux--hardware manufacturers don't always cooperate.
WTF are you talking about? Neither has a sane desktop (you need STEP/OSX or Amiga for that), and neither has sane installation procedures (you need STEP/OSX for that), and one has a large, reliable application base (unix), and the other has a small reliable application base and 10000 bad shareware clones of the good applications (windows).
Right, vi, binutils, and Emacs are a reliable application base compared to Wordperfect, Office, InDesign, Photoshop, etc.
Yes, before games will be ported to Linux desktops, Linux desktops must have their own installation/uninstallation routines. This means--gasp--installers that can run from CD and even put their items in the start menu.
And yes, it is your privilege to destroy incriminating evidence against you if you so wish. Just quit pretending that it was innocuous when there's proof that it wasn't.
Evidence of what, having opinions? I blast Slashdot all the time. It's called constructive criticism. If you don't like it, reply or disregard. Don't stalk me with a bizarre "think independently" post. You actually track my posting history, which is the scariest thing I've seen around here. Get a life.
Oh, I'm quaking in my boots (just like you, I'm sure). What are you gonna do, sick the GNAA on me? Or maybe put an ASCII goatse man in your.sig?
Taco is following your shenanigans. Please, keep it up.
If you have a stable desktop multimedia platform, you have a stable gaming platform.
The "-1 Troll" mod is just the result of a few crybabies who think Linux is above criticism. I'm sorry, but once you improve the desktop, only then will companies start porting their games to it. I thought that point was obvious, but I'm currently being modbombed by some anonymous, cowardly trolls.
Yes, a headline, because the only reason Slashdot posted it was to indirectly accuse Microsoft of being evil.
However, after those three seconds elapsed, unless they didn't have a clue, they would have figured out what the headline was trying to say.
"Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China." What else is it trying to say?
f a pro-MS site had posted you theoretical headline, I seriously doubt that anyone would be jumping up and down screaming for blood.
You've got to be joking. Every little comment Billy Gates makes about Linux in some arcane lecture somewhere gets breathlessly posted as front page news so all the Linux people can jump on it and make fun of "M$." If a pro-Microsoft site had accused OSS of violating human rights simply because China uses its software, Slashdot would be all over it and you'd have endless posts defending Linux and accusing the "Microsoftie" site of bias.
There wasn't an "OSS Violates Human Rights In China," was there?
Like I said, I feel it was hypocritical to post that headline. If a pro-Microsoft site had posted the OSS headline mentioned above, Slashdotters would be all over them for "bias."
I'm not trolling. I deleted my journal becuase journals are pointless and I wasn't writing in it. Believe it or not, I have the privilege of deleting my journal if I want, and some random anonymous troll has no say in the matter.
Stop being such a frightening freak. Measures will be taken if it continues.
The difference between them is that one actually has a sane desktop, installation/uninstallation procedures, and an application base. The other requires you to go to IRC channels to spend hours setting up a sound card, only to get back responses like "man alsactl" when you ask anyone to help.
I'm merely pointing out the double-standard. Slashdot breathlessly reports that somehow, Microsoft is violating human rights in China because their oppressive government uses Windows systems.
Meanwhile, Google, Yahoo, Linux, and Red Hat all freely target and do business with China--all without a peep from Slashdot. It's the double-standard. We never saw, for instance, a "OSS Violates Human Rights In China" article, even though China has its own Red Flag Linux distribution.
His journal in which he bragged about how his Overly Critical Guy account is his separate "troll" account and how he played the moderators in order to gain maximum karma.
I never, ever stated I "played the moderators in order to gain maximum karma." At most, I stated how amused I was that accidentally restating something that was mentioned in the article summary got me a +5. I also quite often pointed out the hypocrisy and idiocy of some of the opinions in the community.
I'm still waiting to see what this "evidence" is of the horrible things I'm supposed to have done that has caused you, the freak, to stalk all of my posts.
Of course, once he figured out that moderators were looking at (and regular posters were refuting his outrageous claims with direct links to) said evidence
Absolutely not a single moderator or poster mentioned, linked, or even cared about my journal. It wasn't a big secret. I deleted it when I stopped bothering to post to it anymore.
he figured that he'd nuke the evidence so as not to look like the lying scumbag that he is. That's all. To the people that keep moderating him up: Good job--you're feeding this idiot troll.
Your solitary campaign against me is ineffective. I still have a karma of excellent, so clearly people reject your trolling. Next.
You posted a headline entitled "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China" that said basically that because the government uses Windows, Microsoft is violating human rights. The article completely ignored the fact that China has its own custom Linux distribution, and that KDE removed the Taiwan flag for China.
Is Google "violating human rights" in this case? Yahoo? Anyone else?
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I would consider the moderation system to be the most broken part of Slashdot.
Overrated and Underrated mods don't get metamodded, so people always use it to follow your posts when they don't like you and mod them all down. This is a little known fact, for some reason. At least Taco made it so Funny mods don't affect karma, because 90% of the upmodded Funny posts aren't funny in the slightest bit.
If a ton of people mod you up to +5, it only takes one person to knock you down to +4, and their moderation type ("Troll") is the one displayed. The way it's designed leads to groupthink, where if someone interprets a post as a joke, it will be marked as "Funny," and from that point on others will see that "Funny" marker and also interpret as funny and mod it up. However, if it was originally marked as "Flamebait," others will see that marker and unconsciously interpret that way, causing them to skip over it or also mark it down.
Not to mention that going against any majority opinion around here is almost guaranteeing 99% of the time that you'll be modded down into oblivion for violating the hivemind. And Anti-Slash is always exploiting the flaws of the moderation system for its own amusement. They list their troll posts on the front page complete with links, and even have a searchable database storing past +5 posts that trolls can repost later on and get modded up (and they do, every time).
Not to mention the Slashdot editors have infinite moderation points and have abused this in the past--case in point, The Post. Several people have never gotten moderation points to this day simply because they posted a reply in that discussion. Michael has even insulted people for having a high post count. The guy who squatted Censorware and is the most despised and unprofessional editor at Slashdot actually makes fun of its devoted readers.
For a site that professes "openness" so much, the editors keep a lot hidden and don't talk very much to vistors (try e-mailing Taco sometime and expect either nothing at all or a very nasty sarcastic reply). Heck, if you even dare suggest that Slashdot move away from this ugly, godawful, absolutely horrible 1998-era visual design, the response is either nothing at all or "submit a patch if you want." Nice.
This place has been going down the crapper ever since VA Linux bought it out. Don't people realize this website is corporate-owned now? For all the anti-corporation spiel that goes on around here, I'm surprised that fact is ignored. Suddenly all the anti-"M$" posts are put into perspective. Must be nice for a company to own a "news" website that just so happens to post a lot of "news" articles negative toward competitors ("Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China").
There was a time when Kuro5hin was the alternative, and I used to visit that place back when they actually posted technology news that Slashdot wouldn't touch for whatever reason. But now Kuro5hin is a left-wing hellhole, where Bin Laden is a "misunderstood freedom fighter." The sad truth is that Slashdot is seen as the bastion for tech news in the geek community, and the fact that Taco shrugs off its relevance as "this is just a hobby" means we don't get any sort of professionalism at all, but instead more reposts, typos, completely false articles, and broken discussion systems.
patriotism-blinded America
Aren't baseless stereotypes fun?
And Americans are called ignorant...
Prepare yourselves: HHGTG will be a wreck of a film.
I love how you posted anonymously, so that if the film comes out and is a huge success, nobody can call you on it.
Nobody disputes there are legitimate uses. But one thing that does amuse me is when people dance around the issue of what the majority do in fact use it for, which is piracy.
It's like with P2P networks, every Slashdotter comes out of the woodwork to declare that copyright has somehow magically transferred to those of the P2P users, and that they merely use the networks to "sample" albums and so on. I don't get the aversion to admitting the simple truth, which is that 99.9% of those networks is blatant piracy with no intention of buying anything. Of course, one wonders why they're really complaining to begin with, since if they're not doing anything wrong and are only trading legal materials, why should they care if the RIAA sues the illegal downloaders?
With mod chips, there are always legitimate uses, but it's silly to pretend over 90% of usage isn't for pirating games. It's the first thing you thought of when you first found out about mod chips. It's human nature. Let's be real here.
Once again, I prove that I control you. Reply again to another one of my posts.
As for lies, all one has to do is look here to see plenty.
As usual, you don't cite a single example. You have none.
And you think you're controlling me? Yeah right. Whatever. As for the one who needs to get a life, I think you need to.
I'm not the one tracking someone's posting history anonymously and replying to every single one of their posts multiple times.
P.S. On that posting history page, anyone can see all of your posts. HTH
"Subscribers can view entire comment history for all users"
Subscribers. It's called reading and comprehension.
Hello? They have a database tool that stores these things. We know where the post came from.
People, this is a troll repost from anti-slash.org.
See www.anti-slash.org. They've already gotten several reposts modded to +5 this week alone.
Uh, yes.
Of course they should have installation routines. Freedesktop isn't doing squat. We're still stuck with "RPM-based" systems that break constantly. Until Linux users stop fearing change and realize the desktop needs to be seamless and have integration with its technologies, instead of relying on x and y and z and s and w and the standards of this website and this website and this website, KDE and GNOME will always be as good as it gets.
Sigh.
You know, the new kernel vulnerability Slashdot has completely ignored reporting?
3 -02.xml
http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-20040
We'll take this one by one.
/. with this account and that you have another "good" account, besides bragging about troll exploits.
Again, evidence that you troll
Name a single troll exploit. It's no secret I have another, older account. Many people have had more than one account in Slashdot's existence. We already know your account names.
More lies from you, what else is new?
What am I lying about? You have yet to cite a single "lie." I won't hold my breath.
It's the same old game with you--lie and try to derail the original point which is that you are a troll.
What am I trolling about? Cite an example. Put up or shut up.
Constructive criticism? I call shenanigans. Yes, there is such a thing a constructive criticism and there's being an asshole and a troll--the latter being things you seem to excel in.
Cite an example. Put up or shut up. Trolling my account hasn't worked yet. My karma is still excellent, and I've led you several posts deep into a pointless discussion thread. I pretty much knowingly control your behavior without your realizing it. You probably aren't even aware of my anonymous replies.
If that were true, then your account would have been pulled a long time ago. Again, you're appealing to someone whom you openly despise.
Clearly, you have no idea. Please, keep posting.
Please, come up with something more creative. And while you do that, be sure and post yet another boring post to this thread claiming how you're not trolling, etc.
This is evidence that you're getting bored and exhausted following my posts. You indirectly suggest I stop posting so you don't have to keep up with it. Clearly, you need to get a life.
You are a frightening individual. Graduate and get a life.
Ok, so somehow by virtue of this story appearing on Slashdot that somehow makes Slashdot guilty of 'trying to justify movie piracy' as you put it?
Yes. The editors have claimed all along that they post what interests them and what they believe in. I don't understand what's at issue here.
Next.
And any desktop linux distro I know sets up soundcards automatically (redhat might not, but that is emphatically targetted at servers, not desktops).
I see people coming in to chatrooms on freenode all the time with soundcard problems. It's common knowledge that drivers are a problem with Linux--hardware manufacturers don't always cooperate.
WTF are you talking about? Neither has a sane desktop (you need STEP/OSX or Amiga for that), and neither has sane installation procedures (you need STEP/OSX for that), and one has a large, reliable application base (unix), and the other has a small reliable application base and 10000 bad shareware clones of the good applications (windows).
Right, vi, binutils, and Emacs are a reliable application base compared to Wordperfect, Office, InDesign, Photoshop, etc.
Yes, before games will be ported to Linux desktops, Linux desktops must have their own installation/uninstallation routines. This means--gasp--installers that can run from CD and even put their items in the start menu.
This is really obvious.
And yes, it is your privilege to destroy incriminating evidence against you if you so wish. Just quit pretending that it was innocuous when there's proof that it wasn't.
.sig?
Evidence of what, having opinions? I blast Slashdot all the time. It's called constructive criticism. If you don't like it, reply or disregard. Don't stalk me with a bizarre "think independently" post. You actually track my posting history, which is the scariest thing I've seen around here. Get a life.
Oh, I'm quaking in my boots (just like you, I'm sure). What are you gonna do, sick the GNAA on me? Or maybe put an ASCII goatse man in your
Taco is following your shenanigans. Please, keep it up.
If you have a stable desktop multimedia platform, you have a stable gaming platform.
The "-1 Troll" mod is just the result of a few crybabies who think Linux is above criticism. I'm sorry, but once you improve the desktop, only then will companies start porting their games to it. I thought that point was obvious, but I'm currently being modbombed by some anonymous, cowardly trolls.
You didn't post anything from my journal, except a comment where I said someone wasn't paying attention.
Of course, you couldn't leave that kind of evidence laying around, so you go rid of it.
Evidence of what? Having opinions?
This is really, really sad. Graduate high school so you can get off your parent's computer and stop stalking me.
Yes, a headline, because the only reason Slashdot posted it was to indirectly accuse Microsoft of being evil.
However, after those three seconds elapsed, unless they didn't have a clue, they would have figured out what the headline was trying to say.
"Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China." What else is it trying to say?
f a pro-MS site had posted you theoretical headline, I seriously doubt that anyone would be jumping up and down screaming for blood.
You've got to be joking. Every little comment Billy Gates makes about Linux in some arcane lecture somewhere gets breathlessly posted as front page news so all the Linux people can jump on it and make fun of "M$." If a pro-Microsoft site had accused OSS of violating human rights simply because China uses its software, Slashdot would be all over it and you'd have endless posts defending Linux and accusing the "Microsoftie" site of bias.
Slashdot posted it, with that headline.
There wasn't an "OSS Violates Human Rights In China," was there?
Like I said, I feel it was hypocritical to post that headline. If a pro-Microsoft site had posted the OSS headline mentioned above, Slashdotters would be all over them for "bias."
I'm not trolling. I deleted my journal becuase journals are pointless and I wasn't writing in it. Believe it or not, I have the privilege of deleting my journal if I want, and some random anonymous troll has no say in the matter.
Stop being such a frightening freak. Measures will be taken if it continues.
The difference between them is that one actually has a sane desktop, installation/uninstallation procedures, and an application base. The other requires you to go to IRC channels to spend hours setting up a sound card, only to get back responses like "man alsactl" when you ask anyone to help.
This article is just Slashdot trying to justify movie piracy. B-b-but Hollywood's foundations rest on piracy!
There is no legal or moral justification for piracy of movies and music. I have yet to hear a valid reason.
I'm talking about this story--"Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China."
I'm merely pointing out the double-standard. Slashdot breathlessly reports that somehow, Microsoft is violating human rights in China because their oppressive government uses Windows systems.
Meanwhile, Google, Yahoo, Linux, and Red Hat all freely target and do business with China--all without a peep from Slashdot. It's the double-standard. We never saw, for instance, a "OSS Violates Human Rights In China" article, even though China has its own Red Flag Linux distribution.
Feel free to disagree.
His journal in which he bragged about how his Overly Critical Guy account is his separate "troll" account and how he played the moderators in order to gain maximum karma.
I never, ever stated I "played the moderators in order to gain maximum karma." At most, I stated how amused I was that accidentally restating something that was mentioned in the article summary got me a +5. I also quite often pointed out the hypocrisy and idiocy of some of the opinions in the community.
I'm still waiting to see what this "evidence" is of the horrible things I'm supposed to have done that has caused you, the freak, to stalk all of my posts.
Of course, once he figured out that moderators were looking at (and regular posters were refuting his outrageous claims with direct links to) said evidence
Absolutely not a single moderator or poster mentioned, linked, or even cared about my journal. It wasn't a big secret. I deleted it when I stopped bothering to post to it anymore.
he figured that he'd nuke the evidence so as not to look like the lying scumbag that he is. That's all. To the people that keep moderating him up: Good job--you're feeding this idiot troll.
Your solitary campaign against me is ineffective. I still have a karma of excellent, so clearly people reject your trolling. Next.
That was me who posted as the AC asking for the "evidence." Expectedly, there is none.
You posted a headline entitled "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China" that said basically that because the government uses Windows, Microsoft is violating human rights. The article completely ignored the fact that China has its own custom Linux distribution, and that KDE removed the Taiwan flag for China.
Is Google "violating human rights" in this case? Yahoo? Anyone else?